Re: Maine Small farm debate

[Guest guest]

Hey Suze.

No your farmer is the farmer of the future.

He is also efficient, given the amount of money he receives for his

milk.

Right now given the numbers you gave me he is getting about 34.00 per

hundred weight. That's good and what it should be.

The comparison I made to Mega- farms and the 100 cow herd was just that.

Over 100 cows, cows can't take that arrangement and a farmer losses the

longevity of the animal and his cost effectiveness of growing feed, help

ect.

I just realized this morning, we are going headlong into the state farm

system that Russia had and is trying desperately to recover from.

When you are a farmer with cows, you become one of the herd, and you

feel their pain which makes you the good farmer you are given you do

everything possible to remove that injuring possibility.

When you stand for a 8 hour shift milking 3000 cows and don't even speak

the language your boss does, or have even met him or her, you lose

something, and so does the consumer who drinks the product.

Instead of a government running the farm we have a company doing it for

the government in a guaranteed position, then again big business and

government are no longer separate entities now are they.

In tribal societies the spiritual person of the house prepares the food,

their is no spirituality in a feedlot whether it is beef or dairy, only

commerce.

I was told in the 70's that the closer that Russia gets to democracy,

the closer the U.S. gets to communism.

I'm afraid that this is becoming closer than I thought.

We use to see movies of Nazi's, and the KGB operations that were

exaggerated to prove a point.

I and this farm have experienced the very thing that those movies

pointed out, but given it is not as extreme as the movies were, people

think it is not happening.

This is a little off the point but how do you explain the fact that

millions of americans die each year due to a poor nutrition even though

they are following the recommended diet outlines.

The future is here, the actions we do today will make or break our kids,

it is unfortunate that we are forced in many instances to buy on the

black market the things we know to be best for our families.

Tim

Suze Fisher wrote:

> >>>>I just had to chime in again about this small farmer debate.

> It has been proven several times by University Studies( i know but

> give

> it chance) in several big dairy states that over and over again it has

>

> been proven that a dairy farm with 100 cows is the most efficient any

> dairy farm can possibly be, even selling on the conventional market.

>

> ----->hi tim, thanks for your continued input on this subject. you are

> in

> the trenches and speaking from experience, which none of us (who've

> been

> talking about it) are, AFAIK. I get most of my raw milk direct from a

> nearby

> farm that has 20 milkers. They also have beef steer, and they sell

> other

> meats from their farm store (some of it from other farms). is 20

> milkers

> considered to be *inefficient*? they charge $2.50/gallon. I also buy

> raw

> heavy cream from them at $4/quart. this may sound inexpensive, but

> keep in

> mind that Maine is one of the poorest states in the country, so it's

> probably in line with cost of living in this area. and many WAPers in

> this

> area get their raw milk from a farm that has 6 milkers, but then

> again, that

> farmer's not making a living from his farm (he's a retired

> politician).

>

>

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

> mailto:s.fisher22@...

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[Guest guest]

>>>>I just had to chime in again about this small farmer debate.

It has been proven several times by University Studies( i know but give

it chance) in several big dairy states that over and over again it has

been proven that a dairy farm with 100 cows is the most efficient any

dairy farm can possibly be, even selling on the conventional market.

----->hi tim, thanks for your continued input on this subject. you are in

the trenches and speaking from experience, which none of us (who've been

talking about it) are, AFAIK. I get most of my raw milk direct from a nearby

farm that has 20 milkers. They also have beef steer, and they sell other

meats from their farm store (some of it from other farms). is 20 milkers

considered to be *inefficient*? they charge $2.50/gallon. I also buy raw

heavy cream from them at $4/quart. this may sound inexpensive, but keep in

mind that Maine is one of the poorest states in the country, so it's

probably in line with cost of living in this area. and many WAPers in this

area get their raw milk from a farm that has 6 milkers, but then again, that

farmer's not making a living from his farm (he's a retired politician).

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

[Guest guest]

>>>>Hey Suze.

No your farmer is the farmer of the future.

He is also efficient, given the amount of money he receives for his

milk.

Right now given the numbers you gave me he is getting about 34.00 per

hundred weight. That's good and what it should be.

----->wow, that's good to hear. i think he also grows all the winter food

for the cattle on his land, both hay and corn (they feed whole stalk silage

in the winter). and then the cows are on grass in season. as far as i can

tell it's a pretty self-sufficient operation. however, they do sell meats

from other farms in their farm store. (I also get my oxtails there, and some

steaks and bacon sometimes.)

an interesting thing about this particular farm is that they don't farm

this way to fill any specialty niche, AFAIK...i think it's just they way

they've always done it. they don't market themselves to us WAP types, and

from what i've seen, i think most of their clientelle are just your average

folks from the neighborhood. i mean, they also sell hot dog and hamburger

buns, a few other processed foods, and i think i even saw *margerine* for

sale! (next to their homemade raw butter.) so, it's more like an old

fashioned farm store doing things the old way, rather than farmer actively

trying to fill a niche market.

>>>>

This is a little off the point but how do you explain the fact that

millions of americans die each year due to a poor nutrition even though

they are following the recommended diet outlines.

--->so true...i'm pretty sure this will be discussed at the conference in

may...the good ol' lipid hypothesis is a lynchpin of the dangerous dietary

propaganda we've been bombarded with.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...