Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 Quoting Evely <je@...>: > http://www2.ajkd.org/scripts/om.dll/serve? action=searchDB & searchDBfor=art & artType=abs & id=a34504 & nav=abs I'd have to see the full text to comment further, but there's no useful information in the abstract. What is a " low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet? " How much protein? What kind? Were the diets deficient in any micronutrients? What about fat? What, if anything, do these short term results tell us about long-term effects of such a diet? Until these questions are answered, you can't make any practical recommendations based on this study. -- Berg bberg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 ><http://www2.ajkd.org/scripts/om.dll/serve?action=searchDB & searchDBfor=art & ar>h\ ttp://www2.ajkd.org/scripts/om.dll/serve?action=searchDB & searchDBfor=art & artType\ =abs & id=a34504 & nav=abs Consumption of an LCHP diet for 6 weeks delivers a marked acid load to the kidney, increases the risk for stone formation, decreases estimated calcium balance, and may increase the risk for bone loss. © 2002 by the National Kidney Foundation, Inc. This is pretty much what I've consistently read. If you eat a high-meat diet, you need lots of calcium. BUT -- if you eat lots of calcium with the meat, it results in net bone GAIN: http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/20/23/03.html Results of the group who received the calcium and vitamin - D supplements were as follows: The low-protein group lost bone density (but less than the low-protein placebo group). The medium and high-protein groups gained bone density, and there was a linear correlation between the amount of total bone mineral density gain and protein ingested. In this case, the higher the dietary protein (animal or vegetable), the greater the bone gain. ======== I'd expect our ancestors ate lots of leafy greens and gnawed bones or drank milk or whatever -- but those paleo folks ate mainly meat and they had nice strong bones. Heidi S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 In a message dated 3/21/03 9:23:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, bberg@... writes: > I'd have to see the full text to comment further, but there's no useful > information in the abstract. What is a " low-carbohydrate, high-protein > diet? " How much protein? What kind? Were the diets deficient in any > micronutrients? What about fat? What, if anything, do these short term > results tell us about long-term effects of such a diet? Until these > questions are answered, you can't make any practical recommendations based > on this study. I don't have time to read the abstract right now, but it is pretty well accepted that an immediate change to a low-carb diet can cause temporary calcium loss, but it usually only lasts about 2 weeks. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 >>>>>>This is pretty much what I've consistently read. If you eat a high-meat diet, you need lots of calcium. -----><lightbulb goes on over head> aha! i wonder if that's why dogs have a higher requirement for calcium than humans, since they are carnivores and evolved on an LCHP diet??? (although i wonder if it was more LCHP than paleo diets?) i also wonder if primal dieters make an effort to eat more calcium? Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 In a message dated 3/22/03 4:23:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, heidis@... writes: > >This ties in with something I've been wondering about for awhile: should we > >consider eating some of the crumbly bones that are left after making > >stock? Some of the bones stay hard, but some have enough protein sucked > >into the stock that they're basically dust waiting to happen, and I can > >crush them to powder in my mouth with the greatest of ease. > > > >- > > I've thought about that too. I even gnawed on one. Tastes pretty good. > Seems like we should at least blend them up or bury them in the garden. I've been wondering about this also. The one concern I have is the lectins. Apparently the stuff you skim off the stock is full of lectins and some " undesirable " proteins. For this reason it seems that, at least for many people (and I don't know how to know if I'm one of them) should probably not eat *raw* bones, and I have no idea if simmering in the water would completely neutralize this problem, or if there are still substantial lectins and other things in the bones that would cause problems. Any idea? Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 > >i also wonder if primal dieters make an effort to eat more calcium? I've read feces studies (really old feces!) from " primal dieters " and basically I don't think they *worked* at getting calcium -- their feces were full of things like feathers, tiny bones, grit. So much " filler " that in fact there was some discussion of tooth wear from grit and bones. Probably not on purpose, but if you don't have a kitchen counter it is pretty hard to get a nice clean sliced steak. Much easier to put a small animal on a spit and roast it, hair and all, or eat it raw. Now, most of that would just pass through the intestines, but at least some of the calcium would leach out in that highly acidic stomach we have, I'd think. They gnawed on bones too, cracked them open to get the marrow, which dogs seem to do a lot too. At least some of the sand they swallowed likely contained shell particles, which would also contribute some calcium (I feed the chickens crushed oyster shells, which does wonders for their eggs!). I was on a " nature tour " , living on a boat with an expert in Indian foods, and he pointed out the foods the Indians ate on the islands we were visiting. And of course I had to try them! We went to tide pools and collected snails, roasted seaweed. Whole snails (even sans shell) are full of calcium, and seaweed I think is too. Now the Koreans and Japanese eat these little whole dried fish too, complete with bones, and I'd guess something like that was part of an ancient diet too (I think a lot of cultures do the " dried fish " thing -- it is really easy and they are rather tasty). Also I think pretty much everyone ate bugs, with the shell, which also have to be full of calcium I think. No one knows when fermentation really started either, but a lot of ferments use meat, bones/shell and all. Like the fermented caterpillars someone mentioned earlier. The calcium would leach out into the acidic ferment. So maybe it comes down to a " whole foods " issue -- in our culture we eat meat, but we don't swallow the bones, hair, scales, grit, and we don't eat whole bugs, shrimp, snails, oysters etc. much. I don't think it is easy to get enough calcium from greens though, so I take a calcium supplement and eat my anchovies. Someday I'll start putting " whole foods " into my kimchi too (I tried the anchovies, but those little anchovy eyes disconcerted the other diners at my table!). Heidi S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 Heidi- >Now, most of that would just pass through the intestines, but >at least some of the calcium would leach out in that highly >acidic stomach we have, I'd think. This ties in with something I've been wondering about for awhile: should we consider eating some of the crumbly bones that are left after making stock? Some of the bones stay hard, but some have enough protein sucked into the stock that they're basically dust waiting to happen, and I can crush them to powder in my mouth with the greatest of ease. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 >This ties in with something I've been wondering about for awhile: should we >consider eating some of the crumbly bones that are left after making >stock? Some of the bones stay hard, but some have enough protein sucked >into the stock that they're basically dust waiting to happen, and I can >crush them to powder in my mouth with the greatest of ease. > >- I've thought about that too. I even gnawed on one. Tastes pretty good. Seems like we should at least blend them up or bury them in the garden. > Heidi S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 Chris- Generally speaking, I think the lectin concern, at least as popularized by D'Adamo, is a crock. The degree it's genuine for any given person is the degree to which that person's intestinal lining has become compromised, so if you're eating healthily, I think it's safe to completely ignore his advice -- which you'll have to do in order to eat healthily. Also, traditional cultures did at least eat _some_ bones, in some kinds of fish for example, and dogs do best when given raw bones to eat along with their raw meat, so I guess the question is how close are we to dogs in that respect? And will cooking the bone for many hours to make stock impair the calcium (and other mineral) availability? I've been getting bone-in lamb stew meat lately, and when I cook it overnight in a crockpot it forms a nice thick stock and some of the bones become porous and easy to chew and eat. I've been eating them without any apparent ill effects so far, but I am wondering. >The one concern I have is the lectins. >Apparently the stuff you skim off the stock is full of lectins and some > " undesirable " proteins. For this reason it seems that, at least for many >people (and I don't know how to know if I'm one of them) should probably not >eat *raw* bones, and I have no idea if simmering in the water would >completely neutralize this problem, or if there are still substantial lectins >and other things in the bones that would cause problems. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 >I've been wondering about this also. The one concern I have is the lectins. >Apparently the stuff you skim off the stock is full of lectins and some > " undesirable " proteins. I can't see how the stuff you skim would be substantially different from the stuff in the broth. Lectins are in EVERYTHING, and most of them don't seem to be problematic -- there are tons of them in shrimp too. Anyway, I just keep track of my reactions -- if my stomach cramps up and I " have to go " after a meal, it's likely my body did not like what was in that thing. Heidi S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Well, according to Pottenger, cooked bone is limited in mineral availability. He would make his own bone meal from raw femur bones dried at a very low temp if I remember correctly. I've grated raw bone to put in smoothies before (weird, huh?) and have also thought about eating the stock bones. But I would say that raw is better from a nutritional standpoint and probably digestability too. Becky > Also, traditional cultures did at least eat _some_ bones, in some kinds of > fish for example, and dogs do best when given raw bones to eat along with > their raw meat, so I guess the question is how close are we to dogs in that > respect? And will cooking the bone for many hours to make stock impair the > calcium (and other mineral) availability? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 In a message dated 3/22/03 9:12:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, beckymauldin@... writes: > Well, according to Pottenger, cooked bone is limited in mineral > availability. He would make his own bone meal from raw femur bones > dried at a very low temp if I remember correctly. I've grated raw > bone to put in smoothies before (weird, huh?) and have also thought > about eating the stock bones. But I would say that raw is better > from a nutritional standpoint and probably digestability too. Hi Becky, Where can I get directions on how to make " bone meal " ? In one of Pottenger's books? If it's simple could you explain it? Or, for that matter, elaborate a tiny bit on how you consume raw bones? Do you use femur bones? What do you grate it with, just a regular grater you'd use for carrots? How much should one consume at once? Since it is raw, is there concerns with bacteria or anything, and should one only use high-quality pastured bones, or is it safe to use grain-finished stuff? Thanks, Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 >>>>Where can I get directions on how to make " bone meal " ? In one of Pottenger's books? If it's simple could you explain it? Or, for that matter, elaborate a tiny bit on how you consume raw bones? Do you use femur bones? What do you grate it with, just a regular grater you'd use for carrots? How much should one consume at once? Since it is raw, is there concerns with bacteria or anything, and should one only use high-quality pastured bones, or is it safe to use grain-finished stuff? ------>apparently some tribe in somalia made raw bone powder from fermented bone. martha posted details from a book she had, on beyondprice last year. they first fermented the bones for something like 3 days (or was it 3 weeks?) in a large vat of water. then, i think they dried the bones, then pounded them into powder. I wonder if people in other parts of the world have historically harvested bone in a similar fashioned? Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 This is taken from one of Pottenger's articles I got from Price- Pottenger, called, The Importance of a Vital, High Protein Diet in the Treatment of Tuberculosis and Allied Conditions. He fed his patients 4 grams of raw bone meal each day. " The raw bone meal is used because we have found that the heat treated bone meal is not readily assimilable. Finely ground bone meal is easily chewed into a gelatinous-like substance and it affords an excellent source of calcium. The femur of the steer ground at low temperatures is used as a source of bone marrow. " This article is very interesting. I have only used the bone a few times and it was from a grassfed animal. I just grated frozen bone with a fine grater and added it to my liver tonic smoothie...It does not even taste like anything. Becky > In a message dated 3/22/03 9:12:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > beckymauldin@h... writes: > > > Well, according to Pottenger, cooked bone is limited in mineral > > availability. He would make his own bone meal from raw femur bones > > dried at a very low temp if I remember correctly. I've grated raw > > bone to put in smoothies before (weird, huh?) and have also thought > > about eating the stock bones. But I would say that raw is better > > from a nutritional standpoint and probably digestability too. > > Hi Becky, > > Where can I get directions on how to make " bone meal " ? In one of Pottenger's > books? If it's simple could you explain it? Or, for that matter, elaborate > a tiny bit on how you consume raw bones? Do you use femur bones? What do > you grate it with, just a regular grater you'd use for carrots? How much > should one consume at once? Since it is raw, is there concerns with > bacteria or anything, and should one only use high-quality pastured bones, or > is it safe to use grain-finished stuff? > > Thanks, > Chris > > ____ > > " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a > heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and > animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of > them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense > compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to > bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. > Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the > truth, and for those who do them wrong. " > > --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 why not just use gelatin ----- Original Message ----- From: <ChrisMasterjohn@...> < > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 2:49 AM Subject: Re: Re: low carb bone loss? > In a message dated 3/22/03 9:12:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > beckymauldin@... writes: > > > Well, according to Pottenger, cooked bone is limited in mineral > > availability. He would make his own bone meal from raw femur bones > > dried at a very low temp if I remember correctly. I've grated raw > > bone to put in smoothies before (weird, huh?) and have also thought > > about eating the stock bones. But I would say that raw is better > > from a nutritional standpoint and probably digestability too. > > Hi Becky, > > Where can I get directions on how to make " bone meal " ? In one of Pottenger's > books? If it's simple could you explain it? Or, for that matter, elaborate > a tiny bit on how you consume raw bones? Do you use femur bones? What do > you grate it with, just a regular grater you'd use for carrots? How much > should one consume at once? Since it is raw, is there concerns with > bacteria or anything, and should one only use high-quality pastured bones, or > is it safe to use grain-finished stuff? > > Thanks, > Chris > > ____ > > " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a > heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and > animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of > them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense > compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to > bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. > Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the > truth, and for those who do them wrong. " > > --Saint Isaac the Syrian > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 In a message dated 3/24/03 9:21:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, beckymauldin@... writes: > This is taken from one of Pottenger's articles I got from Price- > Pottenger, called, The Importance of a Vital, High Protein Diet in > the Treatment of Tuberculosis and Allied Conditions. > > He fed his patients 4 grams of raw bone meal each day. > > " The raw bone meal is used because we have found that the heat > treated bone meal is not readily assimilable. Finely ground bone > meal is easily chewed into a gelatinous-like substance and it affords > an excellent source of calcium. The femur of the steer ground at low > temperatures is used as a source of bone marrow. " > > This article is very interesting. I have only used the bone a few > times and it was from a grassfed animal. I just grated frozen bone > with a fine grater and added it to my liver tonic smoothie...It does > not even taste like anything. Thanks Becky. Do you use egg shells also? Is there any level egg shells must be ground to to avoid danger of choking? It seems they would be sharp, which is the only thing that makes me reluctant. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 In a message dated 3/24/03 6:49:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, irene@... writes: > I don't use egg shells because I heard that they are coated with mineral > oil. I suppose if you get your eggs directly from the farmer that would not > be the case. Really? Is this true with only industrially produced factory farmed eggs or even the higher quality super market organic eggs? I got 14 eggs today from my boss, so they aren't coated. Boy, they were a little tough going down. I tried dissolving them in water, but they didn't dissolve well. then I tried putting them in my mouth with a spoon and chasing them down with water, but it was kind of tough to get them out from the front of my mouth. A little effort though and they go fine ;-) Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 In a message dated 3/24/03 7:41:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bberg@... writes: > I believe that you can dissolve egg shells in vinegar. That's what we're > talking about right? No, that's easy. I ground 3 egg shells in a coffee grinder and ate them. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 >>>>Thanks Becky. Do you use egg shells also? Is there any level egg shells must be ground to to avoid danger of choking? It seems they would be sharp, which is the only thing that makes me reluctant. ---->not to worry at all chris...i've been grinding eggshells for about 3 years for my 9 lb. dogs. I do it in my coffee grinder and it becomes a fine powder. If the tiny throat of a 9 lber. can handle this powder, so can you also, ground eggshell powder is routinely fed to dogs of all sizes by (i'd guess) thousands of other dog owners. just be sure to grind it fine. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 I don't use egg shells because I heard that they are coated with mineral oil. I suppose if you get your eggs directly from the farmer that would not be the case. At 03:05 PM 3/24/03, you wrote: >In a message dated 3/24/03 9:21:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, >beckymauldin@... writes: > > > This is taken from one of Pottenger's articles I got from Price- > > Pottenger, called, The Importance of a Vital, High Protein Diet in > > the Treatment of Tuberculosis and Allied Conditions. > > > > He fed his patients 4 grams of raw bone meal each day. > > > > " The raw bone meal is used because we have found that the heat > > treated bone meal is not readily assimilable. Finely ground bone > > meal is easily chewed into a gelatinous-like substance and it affords > > an excellent source of calcium. The femur of the steer ground at low > > temperatures is used as a source of bone marrow. " > > > > This article is very interesting. I have only used the bone a few > > times and it was from a grassfed animal. I just grated frozen bone > > with a fine grater and added it to my liver tonic smoothie...It does > > not even taste like anything. > >Thanks Becky. Do you use egg shells also? Is there any level egg shells >must be ground to to avoid danger of choking? It seems they would be sharp, >which is the only thing that makes me reluctant. > >Chris > >____ > > " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a >heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and >animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of >them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense >compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to >bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. >Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the >truth, and for those who do them wrong. " > >--Saint Isaac the Syrian > > >Sponsor<http://rd./M=245314.3072841.4397732.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705\ 060950:HM/A=1495890/R=0/*http://www.netbizideas.com/yheb42> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2003 Report Share Posted March 25, 2003 >>>>I don't use egg shells because I heard that they are coated with mineral oil. I suppose if you get your eggs directly from the farmer that would not be the case. ---->i've heard that as well. I forgot all about it because I get my eggs directly from the farm. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2003 Report Share Posted March 25, 2003 Quoting ChrisMasterjohn@...: > I got 14 eggs today from my boss, so they aren't coated. Boy, > they were a little tough going down. I tried dissolving them in > water, but they didn't dissolve well. then I tried putting them > in my mouth with a spoon and chasing them down with water, but > it was kind of tough to get them out from the front of my mouth. > A little effort though and they go fine ;-) I believe that you can dissolve egg shells in vinegar. That's what we're talking about right? -- Berg bberg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2003 Report Share Posted March 25, 2003 I get organic valley eggs and they look coated but I don't know that for a fact. At 04:01 PM 3/24/03, you wrote: >In a message dated 3/24/03 6:49:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, irene@... >writes: > > > I don't use egg shells because I heard that they are coated with mineral > > oil. I suppose if you get your eggs directly from the farmer that would >not > > be the case. > >Really? Is this true with only industrially produced factory farmed eggs or >even the higher quality super market organic eggs? I got 14 eggs today from >my boss, so they aren't coated. Boy, they were a little tough going down. I >tried dissolving them in water, but they didn't dissolve well. then I tried >putting them in my mouth with a spoon and chasing them down with water, but >it was kind of tough to get them out from the front of my mouth. A little >effort though and they go fine ;-) > >Chris > >____ > > " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a >heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and >animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of >them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense >compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to >bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. >Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the >truth, and for those who do them wrong. " > >--Saint Isaac the Syrian > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2003 Report Share Posted March 25, 2003 Quoting ChrisMasterjohn@...: > In a message dated 3/24/03 7:41:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, > bberg@... writes: > > > I believe that you can dissolve egg shells in vinegar. That's what > we're > > talking about right? > > No, that's easy. I ground 3 egg shells in a coffee grinder and ate them. But you said that you had trouble dissolving them in water. If water won't do the job, why not use vinegar? -- Berg bberg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2003 Report Share Posted March 25, 2003 In a message dated 3/24/03 9:27:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, bberg@... writes: > But you said that you had trouble dissolving them in water. If water won't > do the job, why not use vinegar? Oh, do you mean powdered egg shells will form a solution with vinegar? If you meant that, I didn't realize that and will try it. I thought you were referring to soaking the egg shells in vinegar for a few days. Well, I am on an anti-candida diet so technically shouldn't be having vinegar... I'll try it when I'm off I guess. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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