Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 , If you wouldn't mind and if you have the time, could you please elaborate on your experience with candida and what you believe the ideal anti-candida diet to be? I am currently doing a Russ Newman's (www.naturalhealingsolutions.com) treatment for my eczema which is based on the assumption that it is candida-related which involves colloidal silver MSM oil of wild oregano and a special food plan. I am 95% following the food plan, and pretty rigorously staying away from starches and sugars, but certain things I eliminated seemed to be *helping* my eczema and it seems reintroducing would help everything work synergistically. His plan doesn't mention sauerkraut, but some sites say to stay away from it, but it seems to ameliorate my eczema to some degree presumably because of the probiotics. After I talked to you about fermenting yogurt for 24 hours I asked him about it and asked him if lactose was the only problem with dairy or if there was some other problem, and he told me that 24-hour fermented yogurt was *not* permitted, but he refused to explain why and got rather irritated that I was questioning his food plan. He also prohibits coconut oil, which is rather befuddling considering coconut oil is anti-fungal! Thanks for any help, Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Chris- >Do you know if the small amount of carbs in whole coconut milk is >acceptable on an anti-candida diet? I do not know what *kind* of carbs >they are in coconut except that the can says for every 12 grams of fat >there is 3 g of carbs, 1 of which is " sugar. " I used to be on the coconut mailing list, and the general consensus was that while you're getting rid of candida, whole coconut milk will make things more difficult but coconut oil will make things a lot easier. I can back this up from personal experience, too. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 > , > (or anyone who knows), > > Do you know if the small amount of carbs in whole coconut milk is acceptable on an anti-candida diet? I do not know what *kind* of carbs they are in coconut except that the can says for every 12 grams of fat there is 3 g of carbs, 1 of which is " sugar. " > Hi Chris I am also on anti-candida diet - I'd be interested to hear how you do it, and swap any tips if you have any! I used to do a super-low-carb anti-yeast diet, but have found it easier to allow myself some carbs in the form of stachy veg, whole grains etc as I can stick to it longer. I eat around 60g carbs from these sources, but eat non-starchy veg (eg salad) freely. I do feel better, and the symptoms are certainly clearing up, it's just not happening as quickly as it did last time I did anti-yeast (totally strict about absolutely everything! It was impossible to stick to for more than a week). I find the hardest thing is no dairy = and I do sneak some butter on my veg occasionally. I worry about calcium when I'm dairy-free. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > I used to be on the coconut mailing list, and the general consensus was > that while you're getting rid of candida, whole coconut milk will make > things more difficult but coconut oil will make things a lot easier. I can > back this up from personal experience, too. Thinking back, the first time I did an anti-yeast diet, I did use some coconut milk in a curry about a week in and I bloated up like a balloon! So I figured coconut milk was to be avoided. It could be you are less sensitive to it - I would suggest you try it and see how it affects you Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 I too had eczema which I am fairly certain is candida related. When I began taking coconut oil the skin condition lessened. When I started consuming lacto-fermented vegetables (specifically pickles) my skin completely cleared up. I also take a caprylic acid supplement and usually eat at least 2 cups of homemade yogurt(fermented 12 hours) a day. I use silver as well but not always on a daily basis. I try to avoid sugar, although not strictly and completely avoid bread but not all grains-I eat oatmeal for breakfast. While this may not be the total answer it sure beats dry red itchy skin that irritated me for the last 6 years. hope that helps, danny Creek Bend Dairy Farm Harry & Peggy Strite 11917 Snug Harbor Lane port, MD 21795 301-582-4135 cbdfarm@... ----- Original Message ----- From: ChrisMasterjohn@... Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: Re: candida/coconut , If you wouldn't mind and if you have the time, could you please elaborate on your experience with candida and what you believe the ideal anti-candida diet to be? I am currently doing a Russ Newman's (www.naturalhealingsolutions.com) treatment for my eczema which is based on the assumption that it is candida-related which involves colloidal silver MSM oil of wild oregano and a special food plan. I am 95% following the food plan, and pretty rigorously staying away from starches and sugars, but certain things I eliminated seemed to be *helping* my eczema and it seems reintroducing would help everything work synergistically. His plan doesn't mention sauerkraut, but some sites say to stay away from it, but it seems to ameliorate my eczema to some degree presumably because of the probiotics. After I talked to you about fermenting yogurt for 24 hours I asked him about it and asked him if lactose was the only problem with dairy or if there was some other problem, and he told me that 24-hour fermented yogurt was *not* permitted, but he refused to explain why and got rather irritated that I was questioning his food plan. He also prohibits coconut oil, which is rather befuddling considering coconut oil is anti-fungal! Thanks for any help, Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ChrisMasterjohn@a... > If you wouldn't mind and if you have the time, could you please elaborate on > your experience with candida and what you believe the ideal anti- candida diet > to be? > Chris Here's a typical day for me: B: 2 boiled eggs, raw carrot, 2 oatcakes (conservation grade oats, no preservatives) or lightly boiled mangetout or baby sweetcorn. (total 15g carbs, not incl carrot or eggs) L: meat that I cooked myself (ie not from a deli counter) with salad and salad dressing (shop bought), with carbs from the oatcakes, or organic rice cakes or corn crackers. (total 15-17g carbs not including the salad or meat) S: meat with a stick of celery or raw carrot and an oatcake or 2 again. (total 7-15g carbs) D: freshly cooked meat with some non-starchy veg and a carb item such as the crackers, or stewed rhubarb. Sometimes I'll put butter on my veg. I drink lots of water, I don't drink caffeine, I use acidophillus supplements and grapefuit seed extract. So, I know exactly how many carbs I am eating (crackers with a coutn on the packet help me to control it) I eat no dairy (except butter very occasionally), very little sweet stuff. I don't eat mushrooms or sugar and stick to low glycaemic carbs. Occasionally I'll grab a handful of almonds or pecans if I'm stuck for a snack and in a hurry. Basically, I try not to eat anything that will feed the yeast. I know I have a problem with dairy, and I'm pretty sure that's the main cause of my candida symptoms. I eat just under a pound of meat per day, and unlimited non-starchy veg. The salad dressing is the worst thing in my diet IMO. Becuase I have to prepare 3 meals a day and I'm a working woman, I keep my foods simple. I add herbs and spices for flavour, and cook in duck fat (or butter!) which tastes great. I even find it easy enough to eat out a few times a month and stick pretty much to plan. I am seeing big improvements in my symptoms. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 > Hi Jo, > > I've only been doing this for two weeks. Stick to it??? I want this over > with ASAP!!! I know, tell me about it! The first 2 times I did it I went about a week before I had some cream or cheese. So if you have lasted 2 weeks, then you're doing far better than me! However, I am discovering that this needs to go on for quite a while in order to clear the candida from teh system. Yours may not be as well entrenched as mine - I suspect it's been a problem for me for around 12 years. So I have a long way to go before I can safely go back to " normal " eating (whatever that is for me now, I've forgetton!) I've been making > more bone broths, at least two cups of bone broth a day in the form of > vegetable soup. That's what I need to do. In the meantime, I'm trying to eat fish with bones (tinned mackerel) but don't really like it. I used butter until I got my palm butter in, and now I use > that. I have the most energy when I include a moderate amount of grains in > my diet such as a half a piece of sprouted bread with a meal. Yes, when I first did it I lost all energy, and my legs would hardly carry me upstairs. This time I am including more carbs, and I feel better for it. I've been low > on energy this week. And to tell the truth, my eczema got a lot better with > a couple days of the protocol, while I was drinking milk for the first two > days and then lots and lots of homemade cream cheese, but when I completely > cut out dairy my eczema worsened a little bit. Sounds like yeast die off to me! That's when the yeast realises it's being starved of food, and fights back with a vengeance. Your symptomsthen bcome quite bad, before they get considerably better. It's a good sign. Good luck with it Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 > Lunch: sauerkraut (accpetable???), I am on a kefir list, and the members there really promote fermented products for helping yeast infections. If your candida is clearing up, then I would stick with it. > Dinner: half pound of salmon, big salad in a pyrex bowl, lots of olive oil > and a little vinegar (is this acceptable?) > Vinegar isn't strictly allowed on an anti-yeast diet. However, IMO, salad is tasteless without a vinegar based dressing, and my shopbought dressing has vinegar in it. So again, if your candida is still clearing up, then go for it, but stick to small quantities. In order to get healthy, you may have to do this for a while, so it is important to do it in a way that you can stick to for as long as possible. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: Unfortunately, Atkins has been > contributing to this problem lately by backing off his endorsement of fat a > little in order to get better coverage and maybe make some kind of > accommodation with the mainstream. I think Dr A is struggling to find the right message. He used to push his diet as High Protein. I saw several quotes/transcripts where he used those words. Unfortunately, people saw this as an excuse to eat lots and lots of meat, and stick to below 20g carbs per day (with the intention of not coming off the induction period for several months), and never even gave fat a thought. Now that is not a healthy diet at all! So then Dr A started pushing more fat and less protein. Now it seems from your comments that he's even backing down from that! Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 Hi Joy .. The diet she gave me is no carbs except for > one hour at dinnertime where you should have a > balanced meal but you could include carbs. This way > you can still eat the stuff you're craving but only > during that hour and so it's easier to stay on the > diet. The idea of only eating the carbs within that > hour has something to do with the rise of insulin. Sounds like the Carbohydrate Addicts Diet! Good luck if it works for you. however, I would be concerned that the blood sugar rise within that hour would feed the yeast and keep it alive. > > I noticed some of you were listing the veggies that > you're eating on your diet. My list leaves off > carrots and says to only have 2Tbs of onions at a > serving. Raw carrots are fine in my plan - much of the sugar is not bioavailable. However, once cooked and the fibre breaks down, it becomes digestible and raises blood sugar. I find I can eat a large raw carrot per day and still address the candida issue. > She also told me that once you've had candida in your > body that it is always " right there. " So I wonder if > this may be a lifetime diet to keep it from recurring. Candida is in everyone's body. In some people though the balance of gut flora gets disrupted and the candida overgrows. That's when it can attack your whole system. I know that I will probably be fighting this for the rest of my life, but I will learn to identify trigger foods. I suspect dairy is the *big* one for me. Staying away from the trigger foods should help keep the candida overgrowth from coming back. Good luck with your plan. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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