Guest guest Posted September 6, 2000 Report Share Posted September 6, 2000 Hi, Ken, >it is reasonable to assume that a >focii may be in the muscles -- hence when you kill them off then >you are also killing off the muscles cells with some antibiotics (after all >it >is a infection that grows >>>inside<<< the cell). The antibiotic >mechanicism >(inhibits growth or kill the infectec cell) is an important factor to >consider >with Intracellular infections.. Killing off an antracellular bug doesn't necessarily kill the cell. Muscle cells in particular are huge - they result from the fusion of many individual cells. With many nuclei, lots of mitochondria and so much cytoplasm, having some dead parasites inside will not be fatal - it will just cause them to need to put energy into cleaning up the mess. If an antibiotic acted to kill the host cells, the toxicity would be horrendous. They all have to try to act on something that the parasite uses that the host cell doesn't. Of course, that doesn't mean that they are free of side effects. Any small molecule is going to have a very high number of interactions with all kinds of cellular components, plus all the networks of interactions with those. So side effects are going to show up. Jerry _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 everything sounds good except for the bagel part have you read Ron Rosedale's article on insulin? http://www.dfhi.com/interviews/rosedale.html jen **** Hey Jen.. after reading the article in Wise Traditions maybe a bagel every once in a while is not so bad... sometimes I try to eat so optimal when i just can't - reading that article brought a sense of relief and made me realize that my diet is better than the greater population that I come in contact with every day.. the 3-day menus of the various weston price board members were very interesting. Enig had 2 cups of coffee each day and a coco-mix with her milk - Joyce Forristal had potato chips. i was intrigued by the little additions that they had with each meal. and each menu was different from the others... did anyone read the article - if not I can try to scan and send as an attachment (PDF). let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Eliot, I went to KEEPHOPEALIVE.com and the website wasn't up yet. What do you recommend? -- Digest Number 1181 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 <http://www.keephopealive.org/> http://www.keephopealive.org I am sorry their web site is org not com. Eliot Re: The Story Such As It Is Hi Sylvain, Notice your t-cells have stayed over 400....so conventionally its understood that you still have a somewhat adequate immune system or infection fighting ability to ward of many common OI's that may occur with fewer t-cells. I am curious if these natural therapies can enhance or sustain cd-4's and eradicate viral populations. Are you going to keep getting your cd-4s and viral load monitored? If your t-cells declined systematically below 200 and the viral load elevated, stayed near the same or dropped significantly.....the doctors would likely recommend you begin the antr-virals. Would you consider that after these natural, alternative therapies appeared no longer effective? paul On Thu, 5 May 2005 23:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Sylvain Gagnon <happytype@...> writes: > Way to go, ! > That's what I am talking about. People sharing real > experiences with a deadly disease. > I was diagnosed last August with a viral load of > 68,000 and CD4 of 483 and went on a research as I > learned a long time ago not to trust Allopathy and saw > my ex-gf cure herself of cancer with macrobiotic in a > matter of months. > In September, I started with the Dr. Hulda 's > parasite programm (cloves, wormwood, balck walnut > hull) and all the supplements. In late October, I > switched to the Beck protocol, cutting all the > supplements but electrifying my blood daily, magnetic > pulser, colloidal silver and drinking ozonated water > with an ambiant air ozonator. The ozonator broke in > the beginning of December and did not get replaced > until late January. In mid January, I got another test > and my viral load was then 140,000, CD4: 423 but for > the first time of my life, I did not get a cold this > winter even though I felt very cold and walked under > the rain, not slept much; those conditions would have > made me sick normally but now, I feel invincible in a > way. The higher viral load was explained by some by > the fact that ozoned water is the dead virus scavenger > and the PCR test can not tell the difference between > dead or live viruses (explainded by Dr. Biamonte, > NY.). > Now, I am having another test at the end of May and > waiting for an Orange County study on the Beck > protocol and about to embark into the ozone therapy > with the help of . > Can someone else share at this level, please? > I am sorry if I asked Sara to leave, I guess the non > recognition of a deadly disease made me a bit too > reactive. > Have a great day! > --- Jovan <humansafe@...> wrote: > > > Excerpt from the upcoming re-release of the best > > selling book by Ed McCabe entitled Flood Your Body > > With Oxygen > > > > All rights reserved, please do not distribute > > without explicit agreement from the writer. > > > > > > > > Ozone, the Observer of Human Ego > > > > > > > > “There’s no better way to describe the power of > > medical ozone than relating my experiences with > > Festus, an African man who was dying of full blown > > AIDS. > > > > > > > > “His wife Edith and her sister begged me to treat > > him at the ozone clinic in Mombassa, Kenya where I > > was working as Head of International Affairs. Edith > > moaned and groaned, gestured wildly, beseeched Allah > > and threw herself upon our mercy as her husband was > > brought to the clinic on a stretcher. The man had > > been bedridden for some time. He was barely able to > > move or speak and as I prized his eyes open I > > noticed a cloudy, grey film. His body had the > > appearance of a man with one foot in the grave. I > > had never seen any person so close to death and I > > was convinced that this guy was never going to make > > it. Out of compassion for the family’s hysteria I > > tried to placate their distress by assuring one and > > all that he was going to be just fine. > > > > > > > > “His condition was in fact extremely critical. > > Let’s face it, AIDS is a hot potato and once it > > gets to its final stages there is little that anyone > > can do except make the patient as comfortable as > > possible. Seven days of nail biting and anguish > > engulfed me as watchful eyes monitored his vital > > signs and my handling of the case. Still, I was > > determined to allow this man to die with the dignity > > that should be accorded every man. Sure, I wanted to > > fix him up, and keep my word that he would be okay. > > By now I knew ozone was the crown jewel of medicine > > and capable of accomplishing miracles. I had seen so > > many sick bodies heal with its virucidal and > > bactericidal power, but this was beyond saving. > > > > > > > > “The doctors and I embarked on a very aggressive > > course of ozone modalities in an attempt to save > > this man’s life. It was touch and go, no two ways > > about it. The more we applied the protocols, one > > small improvement and then another surfaced. After a > > couple of weeks of ozone applications by direct IV > > injections, Recirculatory Hemoperfusion combined > > with ozone insufflations and hydrogen peroxide > > baths, Festus was able to move a little. His > > countenance was better and he started to have a > > confrontational attitude known to African men. > > Unsightly, peeled skin was being replaced with > > fresh, baby like skin. The color of his eyes > > returned, and one and all joked that this was not > > really Festus. > > > > > > > > “After three weeks of treatment Festus was up and > > about and eating normally. He started to argue with > > the staff and was merrily beating his wife at every > > given opportunity. The African staff tried to assure > > me this was just normal male African attitude, a > > good sign of virility and the regaining of his > > health. After four weeks he started to go a little > > stir crazy so I let him out to ride my Mountain Bike > > on the compound. > > > > > > > > “By the fifth and sixth weeks of treatment he was > > jogging, walking two kilometers, and swimming in the > > water. We chided him that he was not quite ready and > > he told us in no uncertain terms that he was now > > Superman and ready to climb mountains. I must admit > > he was looking good. In fact it was time for him to > > leave and for me to let go of my small miracle. > > > > > > > > “Life resumed to normal in the clinic as we > > compiled the data to this astounding case of AIDS by > > means of ozone. In many regards it was par for the > > course. My 5 years of ozone research and treating > > people with its applications had assured me that if > > any medical substance could achieve greatness, ozone > > was definitely going to be it. As for Festus, we > > heard from the villagers that he had become so > > strong he built his wife a gas station (in between > > the beatings) in honor of her love and for saving > > him. After it was built, the gas station was legally > > transferred to her name. She returned the favor by > > poisoning him. His death was a bitter pill to > > swallow. I had lost quite a character in my life as > > well as my flesh and blood evidence of a grateful > > AIDS victim. Despite continued successes with ozone > > at the clinic, it was a hard to stomach. > > > > > > > > “Kenya is a land of many contradictions. Love and > > hatred; breathtaking beauty and swollen-bellied > > children dying in the gutter, extreme poverty for > > the masses and wealth for the privileged few. > > Morality, immorality and an undercurrent of greed > > grips its population. That’s the spell of Kenya; > > you fall hopelessly in and out of love with its > > tenderness and cruelty. It extends the kisses of a > > lover whilst holding a dagger to your back. And > > there was a big dagger poised at mine. It was time > > to get out of Mombassa and fast. > > > > > > > > “Circumstances were such that it was becoming > > impossible to work at the clinic. The reason for the > > clinic’s existence had been corrupted, and the > > Police, FBI, and CID were making investigations. The > > most creative sensationalism I ever witnessed was > > mustered up by journalists out to ‘expose’ ozone > > irregardless of its innocence! It was time to leave > > the ghosts and go to the clinic in Malaysia. This > > was to be one of many countries that I was to > > introduce the applications of clinical ozone into, > > as well as the new Recirculatory Hemoperfusion > > technology and delivery system I had been > > perfecting. I had been in Kenya for 2 ½ years and I > > needed new pastures. I was yet to realize that they > > were to bring me closer to death in more ways than > > one! > > > > > > > > “Airports are a wonderful place for drama. A huge > > entourage welcomed me to Kuala Lumpur with > > outstretched arms, excitable gestures, tears, > > blessings of good fortune, omens of ‘plenty > > babies,’ and just for good measure─ luck one > > million-fold. > > > > > > > > “My task was to set-up the first ozone clinic in > > Malaysia and I immediately got to work on desperate > > AIDS patients. We applied Recirculatory > > Hemoperfusion like never before. It was reminiscent > > of my success with Festus and patients recovered to > > the astonishment of all concerned. My sponsors > > immediately instructed me to go to all the major > > areas of Malaysia and discuss my technology. The > > traveling circus had begun! A series of Ministers, > > serious looking officials, and elite businessmen, > > waived contracts in the air and avowed that if they > > were broken, the maggots would eat out their very > > eyes. For good measure, blessings to my loins for > > ‘plenty more babies,’ were thrown in with the > > deal. A successful technology lights up eyes fast > > and is perhaps a better description of what maggots > > can do when there is a lucrative proposition on the > > table! My two weeks in Kuala Lumpur came to a close. > > Once again, corruption entered the picture and I > > wanted no part of it. I did gain a lot of experience > > in those two weeks and I was now ready to tackle an > > invitation to the French Colony of Benin. > > > > > > > > “I had boarded the plane with a letter from > > President Kerekou in my hand and my chest stuck out > > with pride as I landed. My relationships with > > airports were ever expanding. I had not expected an > > airport the size of a large house to greet me. My > > Serbian/Canadian background and ozone technology > > held me in good stead and I was ready to tackle the > > usual airport fanfare. As I looked around there was > > nobody in sight. My ego was deflated. The silence > > was broken by a military looking gentleman who > > ushered me to a room with trained precision. His > > brown eyes looked right through me as I waved the > > President’s letter of approval up and down. My > > passport was stamped with a thud. It was the type of > > thud you always wished you had the authority to do > > but what the heck, I was off to a new adventure. > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > Musically yours, > Sylvain Gagnon > www.sylvaingagnon.net > info@... > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Has anyone other than that has tried medical grade ozone therapy here or heard of someone that did? Syl --- eseal2@... wrote: > <http://www.keephopealive.org/> > http://www.keephopealive.org I am > sorry their web site is org not com. Eliot > > Re: The Story Such As It Is > > > Hi Sylvain, > > Notice your t-cells have stayed over 400....so > conventionally its > understood that you still have a somewhat adequate > immune system or > infection fighting ability to ward of many common > OI's that may occur > with fewer t-cells. I am curious if these natural > therapies can enhance > or sustain cd-4's and eradicate viral populations. > Are you going to keep > > getting your cd-4s and viral load monitored? If > your t-cells declined > systematically below 200 and the viral load > elevated, stayed near the > same or dropped significantly.....the doctors would > likely recommend you > > begin the antr-virals. Would you consider that after > these natural, > alternative therapies appeared no longer effective? > > paul > > > > On Thu, 5 May 2005 23:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Sylvain > Gagnon > <happytype@...> writes: > > Way to go, ! > > That's what I am talking about. People sharing > real > > experiences with a deadly disease. > > I was diagnosed last August with a viral load of > > 68,000 and CD4 of 483 and went on a research as I > > learned a long time ago not to trust Allopathy and > saw > > my ex-gf cure herself of cancer with macrobiotic > in a > > matter of months. > > In September, I started with the Dr. Hulda 's > > > parasite programm (cloves, wormwood, balck walnut > > hull) and all the supplements. In late October, I > > switched to the Beck protocol, cutting all the > > supplements but electrifying my blood daily, > magnetic > > pulser, colloidal silver and drinking ozonated > water > > with an ambiant air ozonator. The ozonator broke > in > > the beginning of December and did not get replaced > > > until late January. In mid January, I got another > test > > and my viral load was then 140,000, CD4: 423 but > for > > the first time of my life, I did not get a cold > this > > winter even though I felt very cold and walked > under > > the rain, not slept much; those conditions would > have > > made me sick normally but now, I feel invincible > in a > > way. The higher viral load was explained by some > by > > the fact that ozoned water is the dead virus > scavenger > > and the PCR test can not tell the difference > between > > dead or live viruses (explainded by Dr. Biamonte, > > NY.). > > Now, I am having another test at the end of May > and > > waiting for an Orange County study on the Beck > > protocol and about to embark into the ozone > therapy > > with the help of . > > Can someone else share at this level, please? > > I am sorry if I asked Sara to leave, I guess the > non > > recognition of a deadly disease made me a bit too > > reactive. > > Have a great day! > > --- Jovan <humansafe@...> > wrote: > > > > > Excerpt from the upcoming re-release of the best > > > > selling book by Ed McCabe entitled Flood Your > Body > > > With Oxygen > > > > > > All rights reserved, please do not distribute > > > without explicit agreement from the writer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozone, the Observer of Human Ego > > > > > > > > > > > > “There’s no better way to describe the power > of > > > medical ozone than relating my experiences with > > > Festus, an African man who was dying of full > blown > > > AIDS. > > > > > > > > > > > > “His wife Edith and her sister begged me to > treat > === message truncated === Musically yours, Sylvain Gagnon www.sylvaingagnon.net info@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 sylvain, Dr Saul Pressman is moderator of the ozonetherapy group on . He will answer any questions. --- Sylvain Gagnon <happytype@...> wrote: > Has anyone other than that has tried medical > grade ozone therapy here or heard of someone that > did? > Syl > --- eseal2@... wrote: > > > <http://www.keephopealive.org/> > > http://www.keephopealive.org I am > > sorry their web site is org not com. Eliot > > > > Re: The Story Such As It Is > > > > > > Hi Sylvain, > > > > Notice your t-cells have stayed over 400....so > > conventionally its > > understood that you still have a somewhat adequate > > immune system or > > infection fighting ability to ward of many common > > OI's that may occur > > with fewer t-cells. I am curious if these natural > > therapies can enhance > > or sustain cd-4's and eradicate viral populations. > > Are you going to keep > > > > getting your cd-4s and viral load monitored? If > > your t-cells declined > > systematically below 200 and the viral load > > elevated, stayed near the > > same or dropped significantly.....the doctors > would > > likely recommend you > > > > begin the antr-virals. Would you consider that > after > > these natural, > > alternative therapies appeared no longer > effective? > > > > paul > > > > > > > > On Thu, 5 May 2005 23:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Sylvain > > Gagnon > > <happytype@...> writes: > > > Way to go, ! > > > That's what I am talking about. People sharing > > real > > > experiences with a deadly disease. > > > I was diagnosed last August with a viral load of > > > > 68,000 and CD4 of 483 and went on a research as > I > > > learned a long time ago not to trust Allopathy > and > > saw > > > my ex-gf cure herself of cancer with macrobiotic > > in a > > > matter of months. > > > In September, I started with the Dr. Hulda > 's > > > > > parasite programm (cloves, wormwood, balck > walnut > > > hull) and all the supplements. In late October, > I > > > switched to the Beck protocol, cutting all the > > > supplements but electrifying my blood daily, > > magnetic > > > pulser, colloidal silver and drinking ozonated > > water > > > with an ambiant air ozonator. The ozonator broke > > in > > > the beginning of December and did not get > replaced > > > > > until late January. In mid January, I got > another > > test > > > and my viral load was then 140,000, CD4: 423 but > > for > > > the first time of my life, I did not get a cold > > this > > > winter even though I felt very cold and walked > > under > > > the rain, not slept much; those conditions would > > have > > > made me sick normally but now, I feel invincible > > in a > > > way. The higher viral load was explained by some > > by > > > the fact that ozoned water is the dead virus > > scavenger > > > and the PCR test can not tell the difference > > between > > > dead or live viruses (explainded by Dr. > Biamonte, > > > NY.). > > > Now, I am having another test at the end of May > > and > > > waiting for an Orange County study on the Beck > > > protocol and about to embark into the ozone > > therapy > > > with the help of . > > > Can someone else share at this level, please? > > > I am sorry if I asked Sara to leave, I guess the > > non > > > recognition of a deadly disease made me a bit > too > > > reactive. > > > Have a great day! > > > --- Jovan <humansafe@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Excerpt from the upcoming re-release of the > best > === message truncated === Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. http://au.movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Oh yeah, he's reliable, good luck with that one! May God Bless You And Keep You Well Professor Ozone () www.ozoneuniversity.com Without prejudice to the generality of the contents herein, this communication does not attach any legal liability on the originator thereof. This communication contains information, which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you have received this communication by error, please delete the email and destroy any copies of it. Re: The Story Such As It Is > > > > > > Hi Sylvain, > > > > Notice your t-cells have stayed over 400....so conventionally its > > understood that you still have a somewhat adequate immune system or > > infection fighting ability to ward of many common OI's that may > > occur with fewer t-cells. I am curious if these natural therapies > > can enhance or sustain cd-4's and eradicate viral populations. > > Are you going to keep > > > > getting your cd-4s and viral load monitored? If your t-cells > > declined systematically below 200 and the viral load elevated, > > stayed near the same or dropped significantly.....the doctors > would > > likely recommend you > > > > begin the antr-virals. Would you consider that > after > > these natural, > > alternative therapies appeared no longer > effective? > > > > paul > > > > > > > > On Thu, 5 May 2005 23:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Sylvain Gagnon > > <happytype@...> writes: > > > Way to go, ! > > > That's what I am talking about. People sharing > > real > > > experiences with a deadly disease. > > > I was diagnosed last August with a viral load of > > > > 68,000 and CD4 of 483 and went on a research as > I > > > learned a long time ago not to trust Allopathy > and > > saw > > > my ex-gf cure herself of cancer with macrobiotic > > in a > > > matter of months. > > > In September, I started with the Dr. Hulda > 's > > > > > parasite programm (cloves, wormwood, balck > walnut > > > hull) and all the supplements. In late October, > I > > > switched to the Beck protocol, cutting all the supplements but > > > electrifying my blood daily, > > magnetic > > > pulser, colloidal silver and drinking ozonated > > water > > > with an ambiant air ozonator. The ozonator broke > > in > > > the beginning of December and did not get > replaced > > > > > until late January. In mid January, I got > another > > test > > > and my viral load was then 140,000, CD4: 423 but > > for > > > the first time of my life, I did not get a cold > > this > > > winter even though I felt very cold and walked > > under > > > the rain, not slept much; those conditions would > > have > > > made me sick normally but now, I feel invincible > > in a > > > way. The higher viral load was explained by some > > by > > > the fact that ozoned water is the dead virus > > scavenger > > > and the PCR test can not tell the difference > > between > > > dead or live viruses (explainded by Dr. > Biamonte, > > > NY.). > > > Now, I am having another test at the end of May > > and > > > waiting for an Orange County study on the Beck protocol and about > > > to embark into the ozone > > therapy > > > with the help of . > > > Can someone else share at this level, please? > > > I am sorry if I asked Sara to leave, I guess the > > non > > > recognition of a deadly disease made me a bit > too > > > reactive. > > > Have a great day! > > > --- Jovan <humansafe@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Excerpt from the upcoming re-release of the > best > === message truncated === Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. http://au.movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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