Re: Only Calcified Stones show up on Ultrasound?

December 30, 2000

I wish when they report ultrasounds they would try to give a number. On my

first one the report was " several moderately large calcified stones " , the

next " gallstones measuring up to 1.3 cm " . I did squeeze the girls to tell

me there were 3.

I am wondering if the flush is just to gentle on these type stones. I can't

remember the name of that one man who gave a flush and said it is only

successfull if you get out red or black. Anyone?

What kind of flushes do you do Angel?

I have to hand it to you for hanging in there all this time.

You know, a few weeks ago my daughter brought home all these boxes of

chocolate from her job and I literally pigged out on it for days and it

never affected me.

Take care. laura

----- Original Message -----

From: " Angel " <anglstar@...>

Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 2:37 PM

Subject: Only Calcified Stones show up on Ultrasound?

> Long post:

> Ken wrote that if the gallstones show up in an ultrasound then they are

> calcified stones.

> I have had stones for many years, and ever since my first ultrasound about

7

> years ago they

> showed up on the ultrasound, does that mean that they are calcified and

> therefore would not be gone with the flushes? I have done many flushes,

> about 15, and after 6 flushes I did go back and had another ultrasound and

> the stones are still there showing up, they do not state the size on the

> report, they only say numerous gallstones show up, which I take to mean

many

> small ones packed together. The last 6 flushes I have used gold coin

grass

> before, and I did pass the same thing as before only now in smaller

pieces,

> I do get out many greeny ones looking like corks, or plugs, elongated, so

> they must be the cholesterol ones. Could a person have both types of

stones

> in one gallbladder, both cholesterol stones and calcified? Is it proven to

> be true that the stones that show up in the ultrasound are indeed all

> calcified? If so, where did you get this information from? How do we know

> what to believe as so many things are said about gallstones formation. So

> from everything that I am reading on this list and from what Ken has said

> about calcified stones, could I conclude that my stones are indeed

calcified

> that is why after so many flushes they are still there? How do you explain

> the people on this list who had ultrasound that showed stones, then did

> flushes and followup ultrasound and the stones were gone, how come they

got

> out calcified stones if these stones supposedly cannot be removed?

> Did they do something different like maybe a parasite cleanse first is

that

> the secret?

> I have never done a real parasite cleanse, could this be the key to

> permanent removal of these calcified stones? Hulda e did mention

doing

> this parasite cleanse first in her book.

> Does that mean that I will have to live with these stones forever no

matter

> how many flushes I do? I have never heard of anyone having their

gallbladder

> burst before, only on this list, does this really happen? I thought it was

> impossible for this to happen.

>

> I have done many flushes since that ultrasound but I know that some if not

> all the stones are still there, as I can feel the pain after eating too

> much chocolate, otherwise I have pain that is manageable with diet so far,

> but I do have a weakness for chocolate with hazelnuts, does chocolate help

> to promote bile flow as it has the fats in it, or does it make more stones

> form, or does it stop the flow of bile? Does anyone know if they are any

> advantages or disadvantages to eating this type of chocolate for people

with

> gallstones? I am looking for a good reason to continue eating chocolate.

> Thanks to all, I find this list very helpful.

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December 31, 2000

Hi Angel!

I wish I had all your answers for you... but am still searching for

some of them!

I'm am not positive, but I believe that many or most

cholestorol " stones " do not show up on a sonagram. That is why most

surgeons WILL operate based on symptoms and NOT on seeing

the " stones. "

Will the flush remove calcified stones... YES! BUT if you get a

calcified stone it will most likely be Black, Brown or Red. It is

NOT a greenie!

The greenies come from gb or liver sludge. They can cause the same

symptoms as calcified stones if the get stuck in a duct.

Obviously a flush CAN get some calcified stones out... the stones

can come out without a flush if you eat fatty foods... artichokes or

chocolate! Yes, chocolate causes the gallbladder to spill its bile.

You have " many calcified stones " ... how many? A sac full is not

ideal as it does lead to the potential of bursting. Rarely does it

kill anyone, but it usually means a much bigger scar in surgery. A

few calcified stones often are quite silent and require little

attention... but diet change may keep them from growing. Big stones

are less of a problem than little ones as they cannot get out of the

neck of the gb to get trapped in the ducts.

Thats what I think I know.... We are all in search of truth... none

of us has it completely... that would only be in the mind of God!

If the chocolate doesn't bother you to much... enjoy in

moderation... just remember that it is made of Chocolate, Coco

Butter, Milk fats and lost of sugar. The only redeeming quality

might be that scientist tell us it functions in a woman's brain in

the same spot as sex! I am not trying to be funny! This is true!

My wife eats no chocolate... I guess that's why I get a lot of...

loving!@#@!

Happy New Year!

December 31, 2000

>>I have never heard of anyone having their gallbladder

burst before, only on this list, does this really happen? I thought it was

impossible for this to happen.<<

The gallbladder can rupture, but I do not think that this happens very

often. The two people I know personally that this happened to, didn't

really have many warning signs. My friend had had a few pains in her lower,

right, stomach. Certainly not typical of gallbladder pain. I told her it

sounded like a cyst on her ovary. About a week after I talked to her, she

was at work, and she just hit the floor, doubled over in pain. She was

rushed to the hospital in an ambulance, and they took out her gallbladder

and cleaned her up. My uncle had no prior symptoms. He was watching tv,

eating peanut butter, and he was suddenly doubled over in sharp pain. He

nearly died. He was in the hospital over two weeks. I can't understand why

neither one of these people dealt with the typical attacks beforehand.

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone is going to be able to give you any

reasons why chocolate is good for your gallbladder. That was so funny!

Debra

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December 31, 2000