Re: Fish that is NOT farmed raised

[Guest guest]

By the way, ALL Alaskan salmon is wild, because fish farming is banned in

Alaska.

Fresh wild salmon is very expensive; however, Pan Seafoods Inc sells

frozen Alaskan salmon, cod, swordfish, etc at my local Bread and Circus, and

the salmon is only $6.99/lb, which is almost half the price it goes for fresh

at the same store.

Chris

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heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

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[Guest guest]

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>I buy EcoFish salmon that is wild caught. It's expensive, though! Try

>http://www.ecofish.com/

If you're a fan of smoked salmon, you can actually get wild smoked salmon

at Russ & Daughters, at 179 East Houston. It's about half a block east of

the Landmark Sunshine theater. It's very expensive, but they have several

varieties, plus wild salmon roe and some other goodies, and it's about as

amazingly good as it gets. They have a website too --

www.russanddaughters.com. AFAIK they're the only place in the city, or at

least in Manhattan, that sells wild lox.

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[Guest guest]

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I LOVE Russ and Daughters...and it's right down the street from my other

favorite eating place: KATZ's. Of course, the pastrami on rye probably isn't

very NT...

I'll buy some salmon and roe today!

Thanks for the reminder!

----- Original Message -----

From: Idol

Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: Fish that is NOT farmed raised

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>I buy EcoFish salmon that is wild caught. It's expensive, though! Try

>http://www.ecofish.com/

If you're a fan of smoked salmon, you can actually get wild smoked salmon

at Russ & Daughters, at 179 East Houston. It's about half a block east of

the Landmark Sunshine theater. It's very expensive, but they have several

varieties, plus wild salmon roe and some other goodies, and it's about as

amazingly good as it gets. They have a website too --

www.russanddaughters.com. AFAIK they're the only place in the city, or at

least in Manhattan, that sells wild lox.

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[Guest guest]

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>I LOVE Russ and Daughters...and it's right down the street from my other

>favorite eating place: KATZ's. Of course, the pastrami on rye probably

>isn't very NT...

I've never been to Katz's, but I've heard great things about it. Maybe

next time I go to R & D (which shouldn't be for at least six months if I care

about my bank balance! <g>) I'll try it out and just not eat the bread.

>I'll buy some salmon and roe today!

I made some taramosalata with the roe I got there per NT's recipe (except

with salmon roe instead of cod) and it was delicious. I suppose it would

work better on bread, but I heaped it onto celery.

If they still have it, ask for a taste of the baltic salmon. Since it's

not Alaskan it may not be sustainable, in which case I shouldn't have

bought any, and it has an off color, but apparently that's because the

salmon dine exclusively on herring, and it was some of the freshest,

tastiest, most extraordinary smoked salmon I've ever had.

Speaking of herring, their pickled herring is also among the best I've ever

tasted, but it's neither NT-compatible nor good for me, since it's made

with sugar. I've wanted to make my own pickled herring for the longest

time, but I just can't find fresh herring anywhere. Do you have any

ideas? My girlfriend (also a pickled herring fan, though not, I think,

nearly as much as I am -- I'm not sure anyone can like pickled herring as

much as I do, actually) suggested the South Street market as a last resort,

but as I live on 116th St., that would be a bit of a trek.

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[Guest guest]

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Why don't you see if

Barney Greengrass

541 Amsterdam Ave. (Upper West Side)

Between 86th and 87th Sts.

212-724-4707

makes better pickled herring? Barney Greengrass (aka " the sturgeon king " ) is

actually a restaurant/take out place for all things kosher dairy and fish. If

they make their own herring, maybe they'll tell you their source. I've actually

never had pickled herring, even though I'm a HUGE fan of all things culinarily

Jewish. What does it taste like? I love smoked salmon, smoked trout, raw fish,

oysters, and pickles, so it sounds up my alley.

ps-you don't like to leave east harlem, do you? living in brooklyn, the train

is my friend.

----- Original Message -----

From: Idol

Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: Fish that is NOT farmed raised

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>I LOVE Russ and Daughters...and it's right down the street from my other

>favorite eating place: KATZ's. Of course, the pastrami on rye probably

>isn't very NT...

I've never been to Katz's, but I've heard great things about it. Maybe

next time I go to R & D (which shouldn't be for at least six months if I care

about my bank balance! <g>) I'll try it out and just not eat the bread.

>I'll buy some salmon and roe today!

I made some taramosalata with the roe I got there per NT's recipe (except

with salmon roe instead of cod) and it was delicious. I suppose it would

work better on bread, but I heaped it onto celery.

If they still have it, ask for a taste of the baltic salmon. Since it's

not Alaskan it may not be sustainable, in which case I shouldn't have

bought any, and it has an off color, but apparently that's because the

salmon dine exclusively on herring, and it was some of the freshest,

tastiest, most extraordinary smoked salmon I've ever had.

Speaking of herring, their pickled herring is also among the best I've ever

tasted, but it's neither NT-compatible nor good for me, since it's made

with sugar. I've wanted to make my own pickled herring for the longest

time, but I just can't find fresh herring anywhere. Do you have any

ideas? My girlfriend (also a pickled herring fan, though not, I think,

nearly as much as I am -- I'm not sure anyone can like pickled herring as

much as I do, actually) suggested the South Street market as a last resort,

but as I live on 116th St., that would be a bit of a trek.

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[Guest guest]

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>makes better pickled herring? Barney Greengrass (aka " the sturgeon king " )

>is actually a restaurant/take out place for all things kosher dairy and fish.

Maybe I'll try them, but as I'm doing well losing weight by carb

restriction, the last thing I want to do is start up eating lots of sugary

herring. Though it sure is good...

>If they make their own herring, maybe they'll tell you their source.

That is a thought. I'd love to pickle a big mess of herring, though with

the sugar all consumed by fermentation (as with NT's pickled salmon recipe)

maybe it won't taste the same. OTOH I pickled some mackerel about a year

ago, and it was quite tasty.

>I've actually never had pickled herring, even though I'm a HUGE fan of all

>things culinarily Jewish. What does it taste like? I love smoked salmon,

>smoked trout, raw fish, oysters, and pickles, so it sounds up my alley.

It doesn't taste like any of those things. In fact, it doesn't taste much

like fresh herring either, so there's really no good way to describe

it. But if you're going to R & D this week, get a little and try it. Good

pickled herring is one of the best things on this earth, and if you like it

you'll be tasting some of the best of the best.

>ps-you don't like to leave east harlem, do you? living in brooklyn, the

>train is my friend.

I'm not sure I follow. The pickings up here are frankly quite slim, so I

do pretty much everything outside of East Harlem -- shopping, movie-going,

socializing, business, you name it. I just live here because I'm a third

of a block from a subway stop and because the rent is sort of affordable,

two conditions I couldn't find together anywhere else in Manhattan.

Years ago (when I was in college, in fact) I lived in Bushwick, a somewhat

lousy neighborhood in Queens. I was 1 mile from the L train stop, so I'd

have to walk the mile to the L, take it all the way to 8th Ave., transfer

to the A/C/E, go up to Penn Station, then take the train to Newark, where

I'd have to walk about a mile to work. Frequently I got home at 2 or 3am

because of school and work, and at that time and in that neighborhood the

wolves were out, so to speak. I got mightily sick of that sort of

commuting around then.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I too had the urge to eat/make pickled herring recently... but found out from

the fish monger at London's biggest farmers market that the season for fresh

herring is in early summer... guess we have to be patient for a few months...

Dedy

----- Original Message -----

From: Idol

Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:08 PM

Subject: Re: Fish that is NOT farmed raised

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>I LOVE Russ and Daughters...and it's right down the street from my other

>favorite eating place: KATZ's. Of course, the pastrami on rye probably

>isn't very NT...

I've never been to Katz's, but I've heard great things about it. Maybe

next time I go to R & D (which shouldn't be for at least six months if I care

about my bank balance! <g>) I'll try it out and just not eat the bread.

>I'll buy some salmon and roe today!

I made some taramosalata with the roe I got there per NT's recipe (except

with salmon roe instead of cod) and it was delicious. I suppose it would

work better on bread, but I heaped it onto celery.

If they still have it, ask for a taste of the baltic salmon. Since it's

not Alaskan it may not be sustainable, in which case I shouldn't have

bought any, and it has an off color, but apparently that's because the

salmon dine exclusively on herring, and it was some of the freshest,

tastiest, most extraordinary smoked salmon I've ever had.

Speaking of herring, their pickled herring is also among the best I've ever

tasted, but it's neither NT-compatible nor good for me, since it's made

with sugar. I've wanted to make my own pickled herring for the longest

time, but I just can't find fresh herring anywhere. Do you have any

ideas? My girlfriend (also a pickled herring fan, though not, I think,

nearly as much as I am -- I'm not sure anyone can like pickled herring as

much as I do, actually) suggested the South Street market as a last resort,

but as I live on 116th St., that would be a bit of a trek.

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