Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 I have a similar problem, the dentist called it notching. I was told it was from brushing too hard and incorrectly. I was told it would improve if I brushed in an angled, circular motion, instead of back and forth and straight on the gums. I suppose others could have health reasons for this, but I don't think that was my problem. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: yogabud Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: receding gumline ? i having a problem of my gums pretty much disappearing. ( kinda like wearing away ) exposing more tooth. it is not seeming to go away and a cpl of teeth now i can feel the texture that is meant to be under the gumline. can anyone help here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 , what firmness level bristles do you use? With the left-and-right brushing and your arm/hand strength, I imagine medium or firm bristles would only compound the problem and you might want to consider buying soft or ultra-soft if you don't currently, as medium and firm bristles also wear out enamel much faster too. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 wow thanks for that michele. That " could " be it i brush left and right and i got a bit of strength in the hands and forarms so no doubt i probably pushign too hard. will conciously back off and also tyr circular > I have a similar problem, the dentist called it notching. I was told it was from brushing too hard and incorrectly. I was told it would improve if I brushed in an angled, circular motion, instead of back and forth and straight on the gums. I suppose others could have health reasons for this, but I don't think that was my problem. > Michele > ----- Original Message ----- > From: yogabud > > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:02 AM > Subject: receding gumline ? > > > i having a problem of my gums pretty much disappearing. ( kinda like > wearing away ) > exposing more tooth. it is not seeming to go away and a cpl of teeth > now i can feel the texture that is meant to be under the gumline. > > can anyone help here? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 This may not apply specifically, but it feels good and has really improved the health of my gums. I massage my gums every night with my finger. My dental hygienist was very surprised with the difference, the tissue is more healthy and not spongy anymore. I don't have near the bleeding and the pockets are smaller too. The idea, from the hygienist, is that the massage helps to generate more saliva coming out from beside the teeth (I was surprised at that) and it expels bacteria from between the tooth and gum. can't hurt... Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 hrm that is very interesting. i am having same thign as you also with bleedign gums when brushing ect ( or using floss ) doesnt hurt to try massage i give it a go --- In , " lassegaard " <PWC24@e...> wrote: > This may not apply specifically, but it feels good and has really > improved the health of my gums. I massage my gums every night with > my finger. My dental hygienist was very surprised with the > difference, the tissue is more healthy and not spongy anymore. I > don't have near the bleeding and the pockets are smaller too. The > idea, from the hygienist, is that the massage helps to generate more > saliva coming out from beside the teeth (I was surprised at that) > and it expels bacteria from between the tooth and gum. > > can't hurt... > Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 hi chris, i think its medium. Using my right arm/hand. also 1 thing aboitu my teeth that havent recovered when i tried the all raw diet. Is my bottom front teeth ( 4 of them ) from the back the gum had receeded quite badly and much of the tooth is exposed. ( i also notice when looking inside the mouth to see behidn these teeth, the lower edges and part of teh sides are very white compared to the rest of the teeth. ( this whiteness has happened since eating the NT way ( which i did after the all raw ) it has been approx 6 - 8 months now > , what firmness level bristles do you use? With the left- and-right > brushing and your arm/hand strength, I imagine medium or firm bristles would > only compound the problem and you might want to consider buying soft or > ultra-soft if you don't currently, as medium and firm bristles also wear out > enamel much faster too. > > Chris > > ____ > > " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a > heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and > animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of > them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense > compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to > bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. > Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the > truth, and for those who do them wrong. " > > --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 >I have a similar problem, the dentist called it notching. I was told it >was from brushing too hard and incorrectly. I was told it would improve >if I brushed in an angled, circular motion, instead of back and forth and >straight on the gums. I suppose others could have health reasons for >this, but I don't think that was my problem. >Michele My first dentist said that -- then I went to another dentist and he said it was hogwash, tooth brushing does not cause receding gums. He said it was age and the fact I had had braces way back when. Anyway, I started taking vitamin C and calcium, and whole anchovies, and avoiding what I seem to react to (via a food diary), more meat and fat and fewer carbs, and my gums are MUCH better now. They don't bleed anymore either. I don't know what part of the diet is working though. > Heidi S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 > I have a similar problem, the dentist called it notching. I was told it was from brushing too hard and incorrectly. Beware the dentist blaming your brushing technique. I had been told this all my life, while my gums continued to recede, leaving concave tooth surface exposed. I finally came across a dentist who identified the pits in the high points of my teeth as evidence of nighttime grinding (bruxism). He explained that the gums also recede because the stresses from grinding are transmitted to the gum line where tiny bits of tooth the chip off. This causes the gum to release and recede and the tooth to become concave. You may not even realize you are grinding while asleep, but if you have this evidence, you may be. Another dentist theorizes the cause of the grinding is malocclusion, inducing the body to try to find a good bight by grinding while unconscious (asleep). This might be corrected by orthodontia, grinding by a dentist, or other means, who knows what is best. For now I had my dentist fit a bite guard to my two front teeth. This is different from standard bite guards as it prevents pressure on canines and molars, thus keeping the " rip/tear " reflex from engage the major facial muscles. This results in less stress on the facial and neck muscles and no headaches, stiff necks in the morning. It also completely eliminates the grinding, stopping the bone loss and gum recession. I've not been using the guard long enough to see tooth material come back, but at least I'm not losing any more. The guard is called NTI-tss, costs around $389, and has to be fitted by a dentist. Do a search to learn more. , Portland OR ps I have no financial interest in the NTI-tss, just a happy user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 a, I've taken Emergen-C before, but I do not think it is a very good product. Not least of all because it has added fructose in it. Why take a vitamin for the sole sake of nutrition that has refined sugar added to it? Of course, the fizzy stuff tastes damn good but that's besides the point ;-) They are correct that ascorbic acid is more or less useless but they are wrong in that " vitamin C " has 22 components which include ascorbates but also include bioflavanoids and many other compounds. Many vitamin Cs use mineral ascorbates *and* add bioflavanoids, but they are still only getting part of the complex. Also, there is some evidence that excess ascorbic acid outside of its natural complex is very harmful. I would recommend using a whole foods vitamin C like acerola powder. By far the most cost-effective supplement would be NOW acerola powder from www.discountnaturalvitamins.com. You can get a bottle for $4.29 from this website, which is nearly a third of the usual cost of the same size bottle of the same product, and if you order 12 bottles at once you get free shipping b/c it'll push it a hair over the $50 mark. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: <ChrisMasterjohn@...> > a, > > I've taken Emergen-C before, but I do not think it is a very good product. > Not least of all because it has added fructose in it. Why take a vitamin for > the sole sake of nutrition that has refined sugar added to it> Chris Why take a suppliment at all? I have read that native Americans drank a tea of pine needles to prevent scurvey. Chew on some, they are tart. Supposedly that was another way they saved the colonists, by telling them to drink the tea. Love your signature btw. Take Care, Adrienne Georgia Naturals Farm one can not always be magnificent, but simplicity is always a possible alternative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 In a message dated 3/10/03 5:48:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, pjaugustine@... writes: > I really do not like taking any product! I just know I need something... It > does make sense why not to take it though. Because there are much better products. And there is sugar added to it. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Maybe I'll have to try this! a ----- Original Message ----- From: Ginger Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Re: receeding gumline ? ----- Original Message ----- From: <ChrisMasterjohn@...> > a, > > I've taken Emergen-C before, but I do not think it is a very good product. > Not least of all because it has added fructose in it. Why take a vitamin for > the sole sake of nutrition that has refined sugar added to it> Chris Why take a suppliment at all? I have read that native Americans drank a tea of pine needles to prevent scurvey. Chew on some, they are tart. Supposedly that was another way they saved the colonists, by telling them to drink the tea. Love your signature btw. Take Care, Adrienne Georgia Naturals Farm one can not always be magnificent, but simplicity is always a possible alternative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 I really do not like taking any product! I just know I need something... It does make sense why not to take it though. ----- Original Message ----- From: ChrisMasterjohn@... Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: Re: Re: receeding gumline ? a, I've taken Emergen-C before, but I do not think it is a very good product. Not least of all because it has added fructose in it. Why take a vitamin for the sole sake of nutrition that has refined sugar added to it? Of course, the fizzy stuff tastes damn good but that's besides the point ;-) They are correct that ascorbic acid is more or less useless but they are wrong in that " vitamin C " has 22 components which include ascorbates but also include bioflavanoids and many other compounds. Many vitamin Cs use mineral ascorbates *and* add bioflavanoids, but they are still only getting part of the complex. Also, there is some evidence that excess ascorbic acid outside of its natural complex is very harmful. I would recommend using a whole foods vitamin C like acerola powder. By far the most cost-effective supplement would be NOW acerola powder from www.discountnaturalvitamins.com. You can get a bottle for $4.29 from this website, which is nearly a third of the usual cost of the same size bottle of the same product, and if you order 12 bottles at once you get free shipping b/c it'll push it a hair over the $50 mark. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 - >This results in less stress on the facial >and neck muscles and no headaches, stiff necks in the morning. It >also completely eliminates the grinding, stopping the bone loss and >gum recession. This sounds *very* interesting. I have a tendency to grind my teeth during the day -- I stop myself pretty frequently -- so I'm guessing I must be doing it in my sleep too, and even though I've been eating a very healthy low-carb NT diet for over a year now, my very-receded gums haven't come back at all, not one whit. Do you have any idea whether this guard can work for someone with an overbite, though? My upper and lower front teeth just don't line up. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 - I would like to hear what exactly you are eating that you call a very healthy low-carb NT diet. I have been trying to do better, but I have a feeling we are just eating the same food with an NT flair. Michele though I've been eating a very healthy low-carb NT diet for over a year now, my very-receded gums haven't come back at all, not one whit. Do you have any idea whether this guard can work for someone with an overbite, though? My upper and lower front teeth just don't line up. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 , Gum disease and teeth grinding are both signs of adrenal deficiency. I wake up sometimes to grinding my teeth. I don't in the day anymore, as for a couple years I have made a habit of keeping my tongue between my teeth to help reallign my jaw. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 In a message dated 3/13/03 11:15:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, pjaugustine@... writes: > Realigning the jaw by putting your toungue between the teeth. OK I am putting > my tongue between my teeth now... Where did you here about this? I of course > would like a little more information here. My jaw has " cracked " when I open > it for as long as I can remember. Is this a situation that needs realigning?? > Lately though it has hurt a lot! I cannot open my mouth fully. I am seeing a > chiropractor about it and maybe will have to see the dentist.... To tell the truth, I don't even remember the exact reason I started doing it. I read on Dr. Walt Stoll's site (don't remember the exact address but search for " ask dr. stoll " or soemthing) that if you generally have your teeth closed when your mouth is closed and you grind or clench your teeth in your sleep you could have or be developing TMJ and this was related to some symptom I was having at the time, which may or may not have gone away but I don't remember what it is. In any case I *was* shutting my teeth, so I thought I should stop it. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: <- This sounds *very* interesting. I have a tendency to grind my teeth during the day -- I stop myself pretty frequently -- so I'm guessing I must be doing it in my sleep too, and even though I've been eating a very healthy low-carb NT diet for over a year now, my very-receded gums haven't come back at all, not one whit. Do you have any idea whether this guard can work for someone with an overbite, though? My upper and lower front teeth just don't line up. -> , The night guard I wear sounds just like the one uses. I think it's fairly new to the dental " market " . I've had it for about a year now. It has made a HUGE difference. I am a chronic grinder and have a bit of an overbite. I used to use the full size guards, but I kept breaking them in my sleep. This one is far superior. It has significantly reduced my migraines. I still worry about the acrylic leaching into my body when I wear these things. But, I really don't have a choice - for without it, I am in much pain. Interesting comment that made about adrenal function correlating to teeth grinding - I'll have to check that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Realigning the jaw by putting your toungue between the teeth. OK I am putting my tongue between my teeth now... Where did you here about this? I of course would like a little more information here. My jaw has " cracked " when I open it for as long as I can remember. Is this a situation that needs realigning?? Lately though it has hurt a lot! I cannot open my mouth fully. I am seeing a chiropractor about it and maybe will have to see the dentist.... a ----- Original Message ----- From: ChrisMasterjohn@... Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: Re: Re: receeding gumline ? , Gum disease and teeth grinding are both signs of adrenal deficiency. I wake up sometimes to grinding my teeth. I don't in the day anymore, as for a couple years I have made a habit of keeping my tongue between my teeth to help reallign my jaw. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 Michele- >I would like to hear what exactly you are eating that you call a very >healthy low-carb NT diet. I have been trying to do better, but I have a >feeling we are just eating the same food with an NT flair. ly, I might have been overstating things to call it " very " healthy. I probably still need to make a good deal of adjustments to reach that level. But here's what I eat. - A fair number of crappy eggs. I mostly buy Country Hen nowadays, but soon I'll be improving my egg supply a LOT by getting pastured eggs straight from a farm. My staples are - Grass-fed beef and lamb. Delicious! I have some virtually every day, sometimes for two meals. - Homemade sausage and lard made from pastured pigs. These are far, far better than what's available in stores, but I'm still seeking to improve the diet of my source pigs. - Raw grass-fed Jersey cream, milk, butter, cheese, homemade yoghurt made with half milk and half cream, creme fraiche from the farmer. - Raw grass-fed bison (and soon lamb) liver, almost every day at this point. This is proving to be a hugely important addition to my diet. - Organic spinach, mushrooms, onions, garlic, ginger, berries (mostly fermented), leeks, dill, parsley, spices, other vegetables, etc. I also eat wild fish when I can afford it (it's really expensive, and eating this way is expensive enough as it is) and recently I've been adding mussels to my diet to good effect. I'll occasionally eat some chicken or other fowl, maybe a few nuts once in a blue moon, probably some other things too. I try to eat my meat as rare as possible, though with stews that's not always possible, I try to make stocks as often as I can, and I probably get 3/4 of my calories from fat. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 - >The night guard I wear sounds just like the one uses. I think >it's fairly new to the dental " market " . I've had it for about a year >now. It has made a HUGE difference. Do you know what brand it is? I'd love to solve this problem (if I have it) but $389 is a huge price to pay! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 Dentists expect to live in the big house on the hill. One of my dentist's favorites was, " drill, fill and bill " . Be aware. --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > - > > >The night guard I wear sounds just like the one uses. I think > >it's fairly new to the dental " market " . I've had it for about a year > >now. It has made a HUGE difference. > > Do you know what brand it is? I'd love to solve this problem (if I have > it) but $389 is a huge price to pay! > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 " drill, fill and bill " . Be aware. lmao my accupuncture therapist noted how much he earns ( $30 off a patien in 1 hour ) to the dentist his kid needed soem work done and aparantly it lasted the entirity of 20 minutes and cost $320 lol funny thign is their industry would be defunct apart from fixing injuries if ppl had been eating NT all teh way along > > - > > > > >The night guard I wear sounds just like the one uses. I > think > > >it's fairly new to the dental " market " . I've had it for about a > year > > >now. It has made a HUGE difference. > > > > Do you know what brand it is? I'd love to solve this problem (if I > have > > it) but $389 is a huge price to pay! > > > > > > > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 > >>>>My staples are > > - Grass-fed beef and lamb. > > - Homemade sausage and lard made from pastured pigs. > - Raw grass-fed Jersey cream, milk, butter, cheese, > - Raw grass-fed bison (and soon lamb) liver, almost every day at > > --------->you are an honorary Masai! Not quite a Maasai -- they don't eat pig (warthog). They'll kill it for white people (who say it's very tasty, like pork), but they don't eat it themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2003 Report Share Posted March 15, 2003 , I forget the brand name, but I'll find it and let you know. Mine cost over $900!!! However, costs will vary greatly by dentist. My dentist actually made this while I was in the office. My old ones had to be sent out to be formed at a lab. I'll get back to you with the name. --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > - > Do you know what brand it is? I'd love to solve this problem (if I have it) but $389 is a huge price to pay! > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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