Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 > ------>the thing i never understood about diets advocating the separation of > macro nutrients (protein, carbs, fat) is that ALL REAL FOODS contain all 3! > they are 'inseparable' unless you eat a synthetic diet of artificially > separated macro nutrients. If you look to the whole foods which we evolved eating, (ie prior to grains and dairy 10,000 years ago) there were many foods which combined protein and carbs, such as nuts, seeds, vegetables and other forage food. You would also find animals, which are protein and fat. However, no where in nature would you find fat and carbs together. Fat is essential to life, and certainly essential to good health. Therefore, when we eat fat, we should carefully control our intake of carbs as they are not meant to be eaten together Just my opinion! ;-) Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 >>>If you look to the whole foods which we evolved eating, (ie prior to grains and dairy 10,000 years ago) there were many foods which combined protein and carbs, such as nuts, seeds, vegetables and other forage food. You would also find animals, which are protein and fat. However, no where in nature would you find fat and carbs together. ----->actually...nuts and seeds are typically VERY HIGH in fat. ie: almonds are approx. 21% protein, 50% fat, 20% carbohydrate and sesame seeds are approx. 18% protein, 50% fat and 23% carbohydrate. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Jo- >You >only produce insulin when you eat carbohydrates. Actually, this isn't true. Insulin is essential for life and will be produced by the body even on a completely carb-free ketogenic diet. It's also involved in building muscle tissue, for example. The real issue is how much insulin is produced, and what the body does in response to that insulin. If you eat a nice rare steak with some cream sauce and no potato, for example, your body will produce some insulin in response to the meal and, ideally, that insulin will cause your system to utilize that protein in the best possible manner -- some for fuel, but some for tissue building and repair. In the presence of a flood of carbs, though, excess insulin is produced and almost all the body can seem to do in response to all that insulin is store fat. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 People who eat potatoes with no fat should be committed! In fact, I see the potato as an excuse to eat more BUTTER and SOUR CREAM. Yummmmm. My favorite carb. sigh. *************************** Ah yes, and let's not forget potatoes. Is there a soul on earth that eats potatoes without fat??? Ack!!! :-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 In a message dated 3/7/03 1:10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, jopollack2001@... writes: > If you look to the whole foods which we evolved eating, (ie prior to > grains and dairy 10,000 years ago) there were many foods which > combined protein and carbs, such as nuts, seeds, vegetables and other > forage food. > > You would also find animals, which are protein and fat. > > However, no where in nature would you find fat and carbs together. > > Fat is essential to life, and certainly essential to good health. > Therefore, when we eat fat, we should carefully control our intake of > carbs as they are not meant to be eaten together What about avocadoes, olives, most seeds and nuts? Nuts, btw, which you listed as combining carbs and proteins, tend to be vast majority of calories from fat. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 --- In , " Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > Food Combining?? > > ~What about legumes? Isn't that both protein AND starch? > According to " proper food combining " you should never mix protein and starch > because you only have one type of enzyme to digest at a time.... > Isn't everything neither strictly a protein or a carb > Hi I'm with you on that one. The only mix that isn't found is fat and carbs (except in nuts in very small quantities) Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 >> Ah yes, and let's not forget potatoes. Is there a soul on earth that eats > potatoes without fat??? > > People on Weight Watchers, Rosemary Conley, Slim Fast..... ;-) Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 >--- jopollack2001 <jopollack2001@...> wrote: >> However, no where in nature would you find fat and >> carbs together. >> At 10:14 AM 3/7/03 -0800, Judy G wrote: >Not sure I want to contradict you, but . . . olives >and avocados do, off the top of my head. Avocado also has more protein than any other vegetable. There's milk, too. Think that was just brought up in food combining. Is it carb, fat or protein? Its all of them the way nature made it. Why avocado and raw cheese is my favorite snack or quick meal. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > Jo- > > >You > >only produce insulin when you eat carbohydrates. > > Actually, this isn't true. I'll rephrase that... you only produce *excess* insulin when you eat carbs. I agree with what you say. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 > ----->actually...nuts and seeds are typically VERY HIGH in fat. ie: almonds > are approx. 21% protein, 50% fat, 20% carbohydrate and sesame seeds are > approx. 18% protein, 50% fat and 23% carbohydrate. > True, but nuts would only form a small part of of the diet. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 --- In , Wanita Sears <wanitawa@b...> wrote: > Avocado also has more protein than any other vegetable. There's milk, too. Wanita I excluded dairy from my list, as we did not evolve eating dairy - not until we started herding animals instead of hunting them. Protein and carbs are found together in nature a lot, as I said in my original email. It's fat and carbs that aren't. Avocados, olives and nuts would not form a large part of the evolutionary diet, therefore, a person would never get an excess insulin surge while eating fatty carbs. Not like today where carbs are eaten in great excess. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Quoting Wanita Sears <wanitawa@...>: > >--- jopollack2001 <jopollack2001@...> wrote: > >> However, no where in nature would you find fat and > >> carbs together. > >> > At 10:14 AM 3/7/03 -0800, Judy G wrote: > >Not sure I want to contradict you, but . . . olives > >and avocados do, off the top of my head. > > Avocado also has more protein than any other vegetable. Avocado is a fruit, and it has very little protein: maybe three or four grams per avocado. -- Berg bberg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 At 11:14 PM 3/7/03 +0000, you wrote: >--- In , Wanita Sears <wanitawa@b...> >wrote: > >> Avocado also has more protein than any other vegetable. There's >milk, too. > >Wanita > >I excluded dairy from my list, as we did not evolve eating dairy - >not until we started herding animals instead of hunting them. >Jo Legumes as a diet staple began with agriculture. Nomadic herdmen preceeded agriculture. Avocadoes, olives and nuts were foraged foods that became agricultural. Dairy isn't mother's milk. Nature did set it up so that no mammal could survive beyond infancy without some form of milk. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 In a message dated 3/7/03 2:14:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, jc137@... writes: > People who eat potatoes with no fat should be committed! In fact, I see the > potato as an excuse to eat more BUTTER and SOUR CREAM. Yummmmm. My favorite > carb. sigh. I unfortunately had to go on a no-starch/sugar diet right before finally finding a source of organic free-range lard! I can't wait to make french fries!!!! (though fried egg plant and eggs are coming out damn delicious so far...) Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 In a message dated 3/7/03 5:52:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, jopollack2001@... writes: > People on Weight Watchers, Rosemary Conley, Slim Fast..... Dunno... just heard a weight watchers radio commercial the other day that was bragging about how on weight watchers you can eat french fries!!! I turned it on in the middle of it, was probably pitting itself against atkins or something. chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 In a message dated 3/7/03 6:11:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, jopollack2001@... writes: > True, but nuts would only form a small part of of the diet. So? Your statement that no foods except grains and dairy mix carbs and fat is simply not true. What's left is HOW would the people eat them. And in EVERY, AFAIK, traditional culture found, isolated from modern dietary trends, they mix carbs and fat. Like I said before, berries and animal grease for northern native americans, bread and cheese for innumerable people, etc. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 In a message dated 3/7/03 6:15:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, jopollack2001@... writes: > Avocados, olives > and nuts would not form a large part of the evolutionary diet, > therefore, a person would never get an excess insulin surge while > eating fatty carbs. Not like today where carbs are eaten in great > excess. Jo, this is a direct contradition on every piece of scientific evidence related to insulin. The more fat " mixed " with carbs, the lower the insulin reaction. It is level of glucose in the blood that produces insulin, not level of carbs in the stomach. More fat, slower entry of glucose into blood. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 In a message dated 3/8/03 1:48:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, jopollack2001@... writes: > Which is exactly my point - few carbs and lots of fat. > > Today's diet generally tends to be the exact opposite. Ok, I got confused. I thought you were saying that fatty carbs cause insulin, as opposed to non-fatty carbs, or fat. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 therefore, a person would never get an excess insulin surge while > > eating fatty carbs. Not like today where carbs are eaten in great > > excess. > > Jo, this is a direct contradition on every piece of scientific evidence > related to insulin. The more fat " mixed " with carbs, the lower the insulin > reaction. Which is exactly my point - few carbs and lots of fat. Today's diet generally tends to be the exact opposite. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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