Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 The best day I had recently was when I had company and they brought the meal. It was a really basic salad with mixed salad greens and some carrots and apple pieces and hazel nuts and baked chicken pieces. Along with that was a fruit salad. apples, oranges, bananas, dried sulphered apricots, rasins and hazel nuts. That was the whole meal. A green salad with apples in it and a fruit salad. I felt great on it. And I would never have mixed these items together because I don't mix meat and fruit or fruit and veges. So much for my food combining teaching. I felt better when I ate this than I have felt in a long time. I plan to do it more. I learn quickly. Chuckle. Blessings Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: ChrisMasterjohn@... Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Re: Starches & Fats I've heard varying types of this food-combining theory all over the place, and I personally think it is a load of bunk. There may well be certain foods that shouldn't be combined, but carbs should never be eaten alone, *especially* without fat. Even in people who burn carbs very slowly and eat lone carbs asymptomatically they are still probably likely to develop problems over time from the increased insulin and whatnot. Combining carbs and fat is the traditional way to eat them. Bread and cheese, berries and bear grease, like the native americans, etc. It is instinctive, b/c of the pleasure connection to the combination of fat and sugar, the main components of anything considered a " dessert. " Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 I've heard varying types of this food-combining theory all over the place, and I personally think it is a load of bunk. There may well be certain foods that shouldn't be combined, but carbs should never be eaten alone, *especially* without fat. Even in people who burn carbs very slowly and eat lone carbs asymptomatically they are still probably likely to develop problems over time from the increased insulin and whatnot. Combining carbs and fat is the traditional way to eat them. Bread and cheese, berries and bear grease, like the native americans, etc. It is instinctive, b/c of the pleasure connection to the combination of fat and sugar, the main components of anything considered a " dessert. " Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 In a message dated 3/6/03 3:57:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, belladormente@... writes: > The children in the swiss valley ate rye bread with a > thick slice of cheese for example. Any thoughts on this? Not just the Swiss. I bet if you look at *any* culture that eats bread and eats cheese, they eat " bread and cheese. " Traditional Americans, for example. Traditional peoples did not have " instincts " that trump science, they had taste and accumulated observation. The taste part accounts for any instinct, and certain foods just " go together, " like bread and cheese. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Recently I saw a friend of mine who I have not seen in a while and she lost some weight. She said she does not mix her starches, grains with carbs or proteins and that she only eats proteins with fats or vegetables. It didn't really make sense to me for example she said if she eats yougurt only fatfree because she can't mix carbs and fats. I wouldn't touch fat free dairy for anything so I don't get it. She also said she can eat all the fat she wants but she can't eat it with carbs, something about digestion and alkaline. Does anyone know what she is talking about? I found it very strange because if I eat a carbs without a little fat I get that awful sleepy feeling. She left me a bit confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Hi Judy, I did a search on food combining and I got a lot of info. I haven't really sorted it all out however as I don't know what to make of it. That is probably what she was doing since she didn't elaborate too much, she did look great though. I am not overweight but have been cutting my carbs to about <25% it just makes me feel better less slugish and bloated. --- In , Judy G <auntjudyg@y...> wrote: > > It sounds like the program Suzanne Somers promotes > (Marilu Henner also has written about it). The idea > of not combining primarily protein foods with carbs > has been around for quite a while in different forms > (a search of " food combining " will bring up a bunch of > sites). And there are slight variations on how some > foods line up (i.e., yogurt is a protein on some plans > but a carb on others; same with legumes). > > I only heard about the starches and fats business > after people started talking about the book that just > came out by Suzanne. I haven't read it yet, though. > > Judy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 In a message dated 3/6/03 6:14:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, belladormente@... writes: > I also forgot to add that Gaelics had oats and fish heads. > You are right in most cultures carbs are eaten with fat. Let's see > beans and lard, bread or pasta and olive oil or butter, foie gras > and brioche. That's what I can think of right off the top of my > head. Ah yes, and let's not forget potatoes. Is there a soul on earth that eats potatoes without fat??? Ack!!! :-P ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 In a message dated 3/6/03 7:22:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, auntjudyg@... writes: > Whenever I have read much about these plans, certainly > the people proposing them were well aware that no food > was 100 percent protein, carb or fat. They are > general classifications (and thus the differences > among the different plans). Like most things in life > - there is recognition that not everything is black or > white - and you work from there. Kind of debunks the theory right there. If the various folks can't make up their mind which foods belong to which group, that's a pretty big whole in the theory! I don't doubt that people with specific digestive problems require specific reactions to those problems, but I think food combining as advocated for maintaining health, weight loss, etc is nonsense. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 In a message dated 3/6/03 7:51:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, je@... writes: > I think when God made us He must have known what He was doing.... > so surely we must have the mechanisms that perhaps food combining parameters > do not take into consideration... > I'm sure your body is not saying.... Oh! Wait... now that's the enzyme > amylase... that is reserved for the submandibular glands and the sublingual > glands... Nope, God was having a bad week when he created earth, some folks seem to think. Tried to make a good chicken to feed us, did a good job on the breast, really messed up the thighs and legs, etc... Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Since I am snowed in today and have all the time in the world.... I forgot to add I don't recall reading in NPD anything about food combination. The children in the swiss valley ate rye bread with a thick slice of cheese for example. Any thoughts on this? > Recently I saw a friend of mine who I have not seen in a while and > she lost some weight. She said she does not mix her starches, > grains with carbs or proteins and that she only eats proteins with > fats or vegetables. It didn't really make sense to me for example > she said if she eats yougurt only fatfree because she can't mix > carbs and fats. I wouldn't touch fat free dairy for anything so I > don't get it. She also said she can eat all the fat she wants but > she can't eat it with carbs, something about digestion and > alkaline. Does anyone know what she is talking about? I found it > very strange because if I eat a carbs without a little fat I get > that awful sleepy feeling. She left me a bit confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 She said she does not mix her starches, > grains with carbs or proteins and that she only eats proteins with > fats or vegetables. It didn't really make sense to me Hiya Bella I believe the somersizing diet is what your friend is following. It is based on the theory that the body uses different enzymes for digesting proteins and carbs. If you eat both together, then neither are digested properly (according to the theory) Fats and carbs eaten together cause the unused carbs and the fat to be stored in the body as fat. My thoughts on this type of diet are not good ;-) First off, it encourages over consumption of carbs, which is not a good balanced diet. Protein is necessary for balancing the effect of carbs on the body (carbs encourage energy storage, proteins encourage energy use). Then again, if too few carbs are eaten, then protein will be converted to blood glucose in order to feed the brain. A good balanced diet includes adequate protein, a few carbs and some healthy fat at every meal. for example > she said if she eats yougurt only fatfree because she can't mix > carbs and fats. I wouldn't touch fat free dairy for anything so I > don't get it. I'm with you there! Such adulterated foods cannot be healthy, and low fat foods nearly always have extra sugar added anyways. Interestingly, most people on this type of diet always say they lose most weight on the days they eat protein/fat rather than the days they eat carbs! Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Quoting belladormente <belladormente@...>: > Recently I saw a friend of mine who I have not seen in a while and > she lost some weight. She said she does not mix her starches, > grains with carbs or proteins and that she only eats proteins with > fats or vegetables. It didn't really make sense to me for example > she said if she eats yougurt only fatfree because she can't mix > carbs and fats. I wouldn't touch fat free dairy for anything so I > don't get it. She also said she can eat all the fat she wants but > she can't eat it with carbs, something about digestion and > alkaline. Does anyone know what she is talking about? I found it > very strange because if I eat a carbs without a little fat I get > that awful sleepy feeling. She left me a bit confused. Perhaps the reason that she's had some measure of success with this is that it's lead to an overall reduction in her carbohydrate intake. By the way, if she doesn't mix carbohydrates with protein, then how can she eat yogurt at all? -- Berg bberg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 personally I don't fare well eating carbs alone. I get very drowsy afterwards and then I get too hungry. > Combining carbs and fat is the traditional way to eat them. Bread and > cheese, berries and bear grease, like the native americans, etc. It is > instinctive, b/c of the pleasure connection to the combination of fat and > sugar, the main components of anything considered a " dessert. " Agree with you, I believe also that human breast milk has a high amount of fat it also has carbs and a small amount of protein. Pasteurized and homogenized milk, well that's a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 I also forgot to add that Gaelics had oats and fish heads. You are right in most cultures carbs are eaten with fat. Let's see beans and lard, bread or pasta and olive oil or butter, foie gras and brioche. That's what I can think of right off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 >The children in the swiss valley ate rye bread with a >thick slice of cheese for example. Any thoughts on this? Yup. Food combining is a crock. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Jo, I see what you are saying. > is based on the theory that the body uses different enzymes for > digesting proteins and carbs. If you eat both together, then neither > are digested properly (according to the theory) Certain food certinly give me indigestion but not all are in that combination. > Fats and carbs eaten together cause the unused carbs and the fat to be stored in the body as fat. From my understanding any unused macronutrient would be stored as fat. I had been reading a book on how we are all so confused because of all the contradictory studies out there and all it comes down to is #1 to make sure you are burning more calories than you consume. Very good book,a bit lenghty but it certainly has a different point of view. The author is very pro fat which is refreshing. > Interestingly, most people on this type of diet always say they lose > most weight on the days they eat protein/fat rather than the days > they eat carbs! I can certainly believe that! B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 > Yup. Food combining is a crock. that is funny, the book I was reading recently pretty much said the same things about all diets out there. It is just when I see that someone lost weight doing something I get curious. However there could be many variables to this, such as less calories, less carbs, and better food choices. B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 >>>>I believe the somersizing diet is what your friend is following. It is based on the theory that the body uses different enzymes for digesting proteins and carbs. If you eat both together, then neither are digested properly (according to the theory) ------>the thing i never understood about diets advocating the separation of macro nutrients (protein, carbs, fat) is that ALL REAL FOODS contain all 3! they are 'inseparable' unless you eat a synthetic diet of artificially separated macro nutrients. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Suze- >the thing i never understood about diets advocating the separation of >macro nutrients (protein, carbs, fat) is that ALL REAL FOODS contain all 3! >they are 'inseparable' unless you eat a synthetic diet of artificially >separated macro nutrients. The key to understanding this, I think, is that nobody looks at nature. It wouldn't be nearly so easy to hoodwink the population if our schools actually gave us more of a scientific education and actually taught us to think for ourselves. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Food Combining?? ~What about legumes? Isn't that both protein AND starch? According to " proper food combining " you should never mix protein and starch because you only have one type of enzyme to digest at a time.... Isn't everything neither strictly a protein or a carb I think when God made us He must have known what He was doing.... so surely we must have the mechanisms that perhaps food combining parameters do not take into consideration... I'm sure your body is not saying.... Oh! Wait... now that's the enzyme amylase... that is reserved for the submandibular glands and the sublingual glands... ----- Original Message ----- From: " belladormente " <belladormente@...> < > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Starches & Fats > Since I am snowed in today and have all the time in the world.... > I forgot to add I don't recall reading in NPD anything about food > combination. The children in the swiss valley ate rye bread with a > thick slice of cheese for example. Any thoughts on this? > > > > > > > > > > Recently I saw a friend of mine who I have not seen in a while and > > she lost some weight. She said she does not mix her starches, > > grains with carbs or proteins and that she only eats proteins with > > fats or vegetables. It didn't really make sense to me for example > > she said if she eats yougurt only fatfree because she can't mix > > carbs and fats. I wouldn't touch fat free dairy for anything so I > > don't get it. She also said she can eat all the fat she wants but > > she can't eat it with carbs, something about digestion and > > alkaline. Does anyone know what she is talking about? I found it > > very strange because if I eat a carbs without a little fat I get > > that awful sleepy feeling. She left me a bit confused. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Quoting Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...>: > ------>the thing i never understood about diets advocating the separation > of > macro nutrients (protein, carbs, fat) is that ALL REAL FOODS contain all > 3! > they are 'inseparable' unless you eat a synthetic diet of artificially > separated macro nutrients. How's that? Muscle meat doesn't have any carbohydrates to speak of, and most fruits and vegetables have a negligible amount of fat. -- Berg bberg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 >>>>How's that? Muscle meat doesn't have any carbohydrates to speak of, and most fruits and vegetables have a negligible amount of fat. ------>muscle meat has glycogen (a small amount, but it IS present) and vegetables have a variety of fatty acids in varying amounts, some very high (i.e. avocado, coconut) and some very low (i.e. broccoli, spinach). in general, real foods don't have *equal amounts* of protein, fats, carbs, but they do all have ALL 3 (in varying amounts). Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Quoting ChrisMasterjohn@...: > In a message dated 3/6/03 7:22:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, > auntjudyg@... writes: > > > Whenever I have read much about these plans, certainly > > the people proposing them were well aware that no food > > was 100 percent protein, carb or fat. They are > > general classifications (and thus the differences > > among the different plans). Like most things in life > > - there is recognition that not everything is black or > > white - and you work from there. > > Kind of debunks the theory right there. If the various folks can't make > up > their mind which foods belong to which group, that's a pretty big whole > in > the theory! I disagree (not with your conclusion; just with your means of arriving at it). The fact that some things are grey doesn't negate the fact that there are also some things which are black or white. If a food's classification cannot be determined for food combining purposes, then it doesn't refute the theory; it just means that the food shouldn't be eaten on a food- combining diet. -- Berg bberg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Quoting Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...>: > >>>>How's that? Muscle meat doesn't have any carbohydrates to speak of, > and > most fruits and vegetables have a negligible amount of fat. > > ------>muscle meat has glycogen (a small amount, but it IS present) and > vegetables have a variety of fatty acids in varying amounts, some very > high > (i.e. avocado, coconut) and some very low (i.e. broccoli, spinach). in > general, real foods don't have *equal amounts* of protein, fats, carbs, > but > they do all have ALL 3 (in varying amounts). I know that meat contains trace amounts of carbohydrates and that all fruits and vegetables contain at least trace amounts of fat (some significantly more)--that's why I worded my statement as I did. However, the glycogen in a steak and the fat in a potato are dietarily insignificant, and not enough to make food combining impracticable. There's a difference between eating a potato with your steak and eating trace amounts of glycogen with your steak. -- Berg bberg@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 In a message dated 3/6/03 9:38:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, bberg@... writes: > I disagree (not with your conclusion; just with your means of arriving at > it). The fact that some things are grey doesn't negate the fact that there > are also some things which are black or white. If a food's classification > cannot be determined for food combining purposes, then it doesn't refute > the theory; it just means that the food shouldn't be eaten on a food- > combining diet. I agree with that. I was responding to what I thought was that some theorists put it in one or another group to be eaten with either carbs, protein, whatever. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 > From my understanding any unused macronutrient would be stored as > fat. No, the vehicle which takes fat to fat storage cells is insulin. You only produce insulin when you eat carbohydrates. When you eat carbs, any unused carbs will be stored as fat, as will the dietary fat. If you only eat a few carbs, you will not store the dietary fat as body fat, as there will not be enough insulin to take the fat to the fat cells. Unused dietary fat is expelled by the body (fat is a good aid for constipation, and makes your BM float!) The only exception to this rule is fruit - fructose is converted directly into triglycerides withuot the need for insulin. So, fructose will be stored as fat, but it will not store dietary fat along with it. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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