Guest guest Posted December 12, 2000 Report Share Posted December 12, 2000 Debra; Just take a look at this page and tell me what you find. Take it back to the doctors and ask them again if stone can be formed in the liver. DaleDa_@... ----- Original Message ----- From: D B gallstonesegroups Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: Liver II One more thing; I asked two doctors if stones formed in the liver, and they both said no. They said they form in the gallbladder, because they are likely to form anywhere stuff is stored. It seems to me that stones in the bile duct would be stones that were never removed at the time the gallbladder was removed.I'm not meaning to play devil's advocate here, truly, but I am also not one who thinks doctors are all inherently evil, uncaring beings. I do not think the medical community has all of the absolute answers, but I do not believe alternative medicine has all the answers either.I would like to know where you got your info on stones forming in the liver. I am seeing my surgeon on Thursday, and would like to hear his take on it.Thanks,Debra_____________________________________________________________________________________Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.comCollected testimonials:http:///messages/gallstones-testimonialsYou are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroupsTo subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroupsTo change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroupsTo change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroupsBy joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself!List Archives: http:///messages/gallstonesWeb Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/Have a nice day ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2000 Report Share Posted December 12, 2000 Dale, I will take a printout of this with me on Thursday. Now I have another question. This stone was in the intrahepatic bile duct. What is this duct? Is it part of the liver, or does it connect to the liver? I have just looked at the page, I have not researched this any further, but maybe you would know. I mean, the stone seemed to be sitting right at the opening of this duct, and stones caught in the bile duct certainly back up,and can cause liver damage. This page did not make it clear to me where the stone was formed. I will let you know what my surgeon says about it. Thanks. Debra ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2000 Report Share Posted December 13, 2000 Debra; Intra means within and hepatic refers to the liver. So you could say within or inside the liver and still be correct. This then is a bile duct within the liver that is such that even as an obstruction it will not stop the flow of bile because of its location within the liver. DaleDa_@... ----- Original Message ----- From: D B gallstonesegroups Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: Liver II Dale,I will take a printout of this with me on Thursday. Now I have another question. This stone was in the intrahepatic bile duct. What is this duct? Is it part of the liver, or does it connect to the liver? I have just looked at the page, I have not researched this any further, but maybe you would know. I mean, the stone seemed to be sitting right at the opening of this duct, and stones caught in the bile duct certainly back up,and can cause liver damage. This page did not make it clear to me where the stone was formed. I will let you know what my surgeon says about it.Thanks.Debra_____________________________________________________________________________________Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.comCollected testimonials:http:///messages/gallstones-testimonialsYou are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroupsTo subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroupsTo change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroupsTo change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroupsBy joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself!List Archives: http:///messages/gallstonesWeb Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/Have a nice day ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2000 Report Share Posted December 13, 2000 Dale, Ok, but wouldn't a bile duct inside the liver would eventually connect to something leading out of the liver? And therefore, couldn't something back up into it? These are unresearched questions I am asking here, so pardon me if I appear ignorant. I will also ask my surgeon tomorrow. Thanks. Debra ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 The liver is made up of many ducts, much like city streets. Sometimes a street can be clogged but it doesn't necessarily stop all traffic from moving elsewhere. Now the biggest difference is that the liver is more like a tree in that the branches all connect to a main trunk. It's the main trunk's clogging that we have to worry most about. A stone such as the one that's in the picture you've seen is at a branch in the liver which can still be gone around. It's the common bile duct that is the most worrisome to consider as being clogged. When it gets clogged the bile doesn't flow where it's suppose to flow and then backs up into the body. Various things take place at that time. One is pain, in most cases. The next is jaundice and liver damage with the potential of pancreas problems too. However, the liver is able to rejuvenate, unlike most other organs of the body, and can recover quite well, as it does time and again. It's when it won't that the real trouble sets in. Now back to a stone in the liver. A clog of the liver can certainly cause other problems but the bile will still flow from other areas of the liver. However, the stone can cause an area of the liver to have trouble, and that is when there is a reason for going to see a competent doctor to see if cirrhosis has taken place. If you have Dr. Cabot's book "The Liver Cleansing Diet" there is a very good picture of the liver in a cutaway view that gives you a good bit of insight as to the construction of the liver, which was allowed as a reprint from a Blackwell Scientific Publication. Since it is a drawing the view is much more easily discernable compared to a photo. DaleDa_@... ----- Original Message ----- From: D B gallstonesegroups Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Liver II Dale,Ok, but wouldn't a bile duct inside the liver would eventually connect to something leading out of the liver? And therefore, couldn't something back up into it? These are unresearched questions I am asking here, so pardon me if I appear ignorant. I will also ask my surgeon tomorrow.Thanks.Debra_____________________________________________________________________________________Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.comCollected testimonials:http:///messages/gallstones-testimonialsYou are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroupsTo subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroupsTo change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroupsTo change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroupsBy joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself!List Archives: http:///messages/gallstonesWeb Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/Have a nice day ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 Dale wrote: If you have Dr. Cabot's book "The Liver Cleansing Diet" there is a very good picture of the liver in a cutaway view that gives you a good bit of insight as to the construction of the liver, which was allowed as a reprint from a Blackwell Scientific Publication. Since it is a drawing the view is much more easily discernable compared to a photo. I'm sitting here thinking what a wonderful Christmas gift it would be for someone to scan that drawing and share it with us. Regards, Rex Harrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 Hi, The picture you are refering to is a cross-section of a liver. This means that the liver has been cut through and what you are seeing is from the middle of the liver. These ducts run through-out your liver and the stones can form anywhere in those ducts. I believe that most of the stones that come out in a flush are the ones in the liver and if you are lucky, the gallbladder. I can't prove this, but I think that the stones that start out in your liver move to the gallbladder with the bile flow and then harden from the concentrated bile. I guess they could move down to the pancreas too, but I haven't heard of that happening very often. Hope this helps. Suzanne --- D B <fairyflight@...> wrote: > Now I have another question. This stone was in > the intrahepatic bile > duct. What is this duct? Is it part of the liver, > or does it connect to > the liver? I have just looked at the page, I have > not researched this any > further, but maybe you would know. I mean, the > stone seemed to be sitting > right at the opening of this duct _____________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2000 Report Share Posted December 15, 2000 >>, but I think that the stones that start out in your liver move to the gallbladder with the bile flow and then harden from the concentrated bile. << Remember, 99% of the bile your liver makes goes directly on to the intestines, without ever even getting to the gallbladder. Only a small amount actually gets stored there. A stone in the liver, if it moved, would end up in the common bile duct. And a stone in the liver would only form if there was already an obstruction in the duct, causing things to back up, not move as quickly as it should, and have time to get concentrated and form a stone. Debra ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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