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In a message dated 3/20/03 10:51:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, je@...

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> this link made me think twice about taking fish oil supplements

Why? The whole article was a praise of fish oil supplements. It just warned

against taking cheap crap. So, don't take cheap crap.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

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In a message dated 3/20/03 11:43:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, je@...

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> yeah LOL that is why I was thinking twice because I was taking some

> cheap crap I got at Costco :/

Dr. Mercola said that when he discovered how much you could save at Costco,

he started taking it and recommending it to all his patients. He said that

after the switch, he immediately noticed all the health benefits he'd gained

from fish oil disappeared in himself and his patients. After a while he

suspected there was something about Costco that made it crap, so he switched

back to Carlsons. All the benefits returned.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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In a message dated 3/20/03 11:49:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, je@...

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> what do you recommend Chris?

Carlsons cod liver oil, definitely. Radiant Life is definitely a quality

product, however, it has *half* the n-3s as Carlsons. Some people on this

list seemed to think that is a benefit but I *thoroughly* disagree. I

suppose it depends on everybody's individual diet, but I eat about 200 grams

of fat a day. At five percent of my diet, my PUFA should be 10 grams, and

half this should be omega-3s which is 5 grams. Getting a full 3 grams from

cod liver oil is a great benefit.

Carlson's also has fish oil, but in your case, most people's cases with

exception perhaps the summer, depending on the individual person, take cod

liver oil rather than fish oil. 3 teaspoons is ideal for most people but you

should get your 25 (OH) D checked. This is very important, and your

insurance will probably cover it. I just told the doc I was supplementing

with 2000 IU a day of CLO, he thought it was very reasonable to test and was

in fact finishing my sentences, so we did it, no questions asked, no money

out of my pocket. There is really no reason not to test. Just make sure it

is 25 (OH) D and not 1, 25 (OH) D which is a different test. It is also

called 25 hydroxyvitamin D.

Also, Carlson's cod liver oil is lemon flavored and actually tastes *good*.

I never minded the taste of cod liver oil, unlike others, but this stuff I

actually look forward to taking. I look at it as desert, as it is the best

tasting thing I'm allowed on this anti-candida diet.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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yeah LOL that is why I was thinking twice because I was taking some

cheap crap I got at Costco :/

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< >

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:38 AM

Subject: Re: fish oils

> In a message dated 3/20/03 10:51:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

je@...

> writes:

>

> > this link made me think twice about taking fish oil supplements

>

> Why? The whole article was a praise of fish oil supplements. It just

warned

> against taking cheap crap. So, don't take cheap crap.

>

> Chris

>

> ____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

> heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds,

and

> animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight

of

> them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

> compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

> bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

> Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of

the

> truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

>

> --Saint Isaac the Syrian

>

>

>

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what do you recommend Chris?

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From: " Evely " <je@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:39 AM

Subject: Re: fish oils

> yeah LOL that is why I was thinking twice because I was taking some

> cheap crap I got at Costco :/

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <ChrisMasterjohn@...>

> < >

> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:38 AM

> Subject: Re: fish oils

>

>

> > In a message dated 3/20/03 10:51:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> je@...

> > writes:

> >

> > > this link made me think twice about taking fish oil supplements

> >

> > Why? The whole article was a praise of fish oil supplements. It just

> warned

> > against taking cheap crap. So, don't take cheap crap.

> >

> > Chris

> >

> > ____

> >

> > " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is

a

> > heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds,

> and

> > animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight

> of

> > them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

> > compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable

to

> > bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any

creature.

> > Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of

> the

> > truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

> >

> > --Saint Isaac the Syrian

> >

> >

> >

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In a message dated 3/20/03 3:51:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,

radiantlife@... writes:

> With respect to the Omega 3's in Carlson cod liver oil I should correct

> you. In an equal quanity of oil (1 teaspoon) our cod liver oil has 1200

> mg of EPA and 1150 mg of DHA, which is more than double Carlson's

> levels. The taste of Carlson's is definitely nice but I know some

> people have been concerned about the flavoring agents used. I wonder if

> anyone on this list has done research on that? Would like to know....

Well, if that's the case than forgive me. My bottle of Premier from RL says

it has 270 mg of EPA and 264 mg of DHA per half teaspoon. I emailed the

order/product info address a while back and asked about this, because the

internet catalog listed a different amount to find out which one was a

mistake but never got an answer.

Well then, if that's the case, I would say Radiant Life or Carlson's. I was

wondering about the lemon flavor too, but I figured Mercola recommended it so

it probably wasn't neurotoxic. I personally don't mind the flavor of Radiant

Life anyway, and only bought Carlson's for what I *thought* was more omega-3s.

I would just say that the n-3s are roughly *equal* however, since a serving

of RL cod liver oil is a half teaspoon, and in terms of cost effectiveness,

it is twice as nutrient dense, but proportionally more expensive. Although

there is the benefit of having less air in the bottle, I suppose, since it is

smaller.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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Hi

With respect to the Omega 3's in Carlson cod liver oil I should correct

you. In an equal quanity of oil (1 teaspoon) our cod liver oil has 1200

mg of EPA and 1150 mg of DHA, which is more than double Carlson's

levels. The taste of Carlson's is definitely nice but I know some

people have been concerned about the flavoring agents used. I wonder if

anyone on this list has done research on that? Would like to know....

Cheers,

Radiant Life

www.Radiantlifecatalog.com

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From: ChrisMasterjohn@... [mailto:ChrisMasterjohn@...]

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:20 AM

Subject: Re: fish oils

In a message dated 3/20/03 11:49:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

je@...

writes:

> what do you recommend Chris?

Carlsons cod liver oil, definitely. Radiant Life is definitely a

quality

product, however, it has *half* the n-3s as Carlsons. Some people on

this

list seemed to think that is a benefit but I *thoroughly* disagree. I

suppose it depends on everybody's individual diet, but I eat about 200

grams

of fat a day. At five percent of my diet, my PUFA should be 10 grams,

and

half this should be omega-3s which is 5 grams. Getting a full 3 grams

from

cod liver oil is a great benefit.

Carlson's also has fish oil, but in your case, most people's cases with

exception perhaps the summer, depending on the individual person, take

cod

liver oil rather than fish oil. 3 teaspoons is ideal for most people

but you

should get your 25 (OH) D checked. This is very important, and your

insurance will probably cover it. I just told the doc I was

supplementing

with 2000 IU a day of CLO, he thought it was very reasonable to test and

was

in fact finishing my sentences, so we did it, no questions asked, no

money

out of my pocket. There is really no reason not to test. Just make

sure it

is 25 (OH) D and not 1, 25 (OH) D which is a different test. It is also

called 25 hydroxyvitamin D.

Also, Carlson's cod liver oil is lemon flavored and actually tastes

*good*.

I never minded the taste of cod liver oil, unlike others, but this stuff

I

actually look forward to taking. I look at it as desert, as it is the

best

tasting thing I'm allowed on this anti-candida diet.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is

a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds,

and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight

of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable

to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any

creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of

the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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The best fish oil I have seen is made by the doctor who wrote the book on

the subject Dr Stoll used in his book " The Omega-3 Connection "

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684871386/qid=1048199951/sr=8-1/r\

ef=sr_8_1/104-2989510-9002316?v=glance & s=books & n=507846

He and his wife setup a company to make the best quality and retail it.

OmegaBrite.Com

One 500mg gel-cap contains

EPA 375mg

DHA 55mg

Thats %90 Omega-3 -- highly concentrated

7:1 ratio of EPA/DHA is optimal .. the rest is " other fats " but the total

content is %90 Omega-3 which is the highest in the industry you can't find

a more concentrated form of Omega-3. This means fewer pills to swallow.

It's not cheap, 60 pills is around $25 but 1 to 3 a day.

Most have half this concentration which means you have to take twice as

much to get the same Omega3.. plus your getting lots of Omega6's which

counteract the Omega3 benefits.

Its critical to take Vit E with Omega 3 otherwise the positive effects can

be reversed. Vit E keeps the oil from turning rancid once in your system.

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I ordered the cod liver oil from Radiant Life catalog.. it says here on

bottle it's from Premier Research Labs.

I plan on ordering the xfactor butter when it is available in April.

I also ordered their Coral Legend

is this a good coral product?

does anyone know if it is heated beyond 1000 degrees?

how do they purify?

ozone??

jen

----- Original Message -----

From: <ChrisMasterjohn@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:20 AM

Subject: Re: fish oils

> In a message dated 3/20/03 11:49:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

je@...

> writes:

>

> > what do you recommend Chris?

>

> Carlsons cod liver oil, definitely. Radiant Life is definitely a quality

> product, however, it has *half* the n-3s as Carlsons. Some people on this

> list seemed to think that is a benefit but I *thoroughly* disagree. I

> suppose it depends on everybody's individual diet, but I eat about 200

grams

> of fat a day. At five percent of my diet, my PUFA should be 10 grams, and

> half this should be omega-3s which is 5 grams. Getting a full 3 grams

from

> cod liver oil is a great benefit.

>

> Carlson's also has fish oil, but in your case, most people's cases with

> exception perhaps the summer, depending on the individual person, take cod

> liver oil rather than fish oil. 3 teaspoons is ideal for most people but

you

> should get your 25 (OH) D checked. This is very important, and your

> insurance will probably cover it. I just told the doc I was supplementing

> with 2000 IU a day of CLO, he thought it was very reasonable to test and

was

> in fact finishing my sentences, so we did it, no questions asked, no money

> out of my pocket. There is really no reason not to test. Just make sure

it

> is 25 (OH) D and not 1, 25 (OH) D which is a different test. It is also

> called 25 hydroxyvitamin D.

>

> Also, Carlson's cod liver oil is lemon flavored and actually tastes

*good*.

> I never minded the taste of cod liver oil, unlike others, but this stuff I

> actually look forward to taking. I look at it as desert, as it is the

best

> tasting thing I'm allowed on this anti-candida diet.

>

> Chris

>

> ____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

> heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds,

and

> animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight

of

> them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

> compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

> bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

> Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of

the

> truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

>

> --Saint Isaac the Syrian

>

>

>

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so... while we are talking about cod liver oil I just want to make sure I

understand right~

someone from prior post said you must also take vit E oil like wheat germ or

something to keep the cod liver from going rancid .. should I take flax oil

with as well?

so I am taking all 3??

just wanted some clarification thanks

p.s I think I first read about this from Ron Rosedale's article that Toby

posted

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From: <ChrisMasterjohn@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:37 PM

Subject: Re: fish oils

> In a message dated 3/20/03 3:51:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> radiantlife@... writes:

>

> > With respect to the Omega 3's in Carlson cod liver oil I should correct

> > you. In an equal quanity of oil (1 teaspoon) our cod liver oil has

1200

> > mg of EPA and 1150 mg of DHA, which is more than double Carlson's

> > levels. The taste of Carlson's is definitely nice but I know some

> > people have been concerned about the flavoring agents used. I wonder

if

> > anyone on this list has done research on that? Would like to know....

>

> Well, if that's the case than forgive me. My bottle of Premier from RL

says

> it has 270 mg of EPA and 264 mg of DHA per half teaspoon. I emailed the

> order/product info address a while back and asked about this, because the

> internet catalog listed a different amount to find out which one was a

> mistake but never got an answer.

>

> Well then, if that's the case, I would say Radiant Life or Carlson's. I

was

> wondering about the lemon flavor too, but I figured Mercola recommended it

so

> it probably wasn't neurotoxic. I personally don't mind the flavor of

Radiant

> Life anyway, and only bought Carlson's for what I *thought* was more

omega-3s.

>

> I would just say that the n-3s are roughly *equal* however, since a

serving

> of RL cod liver oil is a half teaspoon, and in terms of cost

effectiveness,

> it is twice as nutrient dense, but proportionally more expensive.

Although

> there is the benefit of having less air in the bottle, I suppose, since it

is

> smaller.

>

> Chris

>

> ____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

> heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds,

and

> animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight

of

> them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

> compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

> bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

> Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of

the

> truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

>

> --Saint Isaac the Syrian

>

>

>

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Jen,

If you have ordered the palm butter (I remember you asking to go in on it

with someone), I would take that. Wheat germ oil will not be very effective,

because it is loaded with omega-6s, which increase your need for E just like

cod liver oil. The omega-6s will also worsen your n-6:n-3 ratio. Palm

butter does not have as much total E as wheat germ, but it is loaded with E

and much higher than most other oils, but its E:PUFA ratio makes it a much

more effective E-source, and, it is a fuller-spectrum E, containing large

amounts of tocotrienols, which most oils are deficient in and I think wheat

germ has none.

Taking flax will not improve the effectiveness of cod liver oil. Cod liver

oil does in fact have a small amount of alpha-linolenic acid, which is what

flax is high in, and that's plenty. There is no reason to have a high intake

of ALA. The main benefit of ALA beyond a tiny amount is that it can

theoretically be converted to DHA and EPA; however, the amount that actually

gets converted is tiny. Flax WILL however increase your need for vitamin E

even more, because the omega-3s in flax are equivalently or in fact even

slightly MORE likely to go rancid than those in cod liver oil! So, in terms

of bang for the buck, flax is not such a great choice, as its ratio of

[increasing your need for E] to [supplying you with DHA & EPA] is between 10

and 100 times higher than cod liver oil! (This is calculated using equal

amounts of n-3 from the two; using equal amounts of actual oil it is far

worse.)

Also Jen, taking vitamin E is much more important with *fish oil* than with

cod liver oil, because *vitamin D* is an antioxidant, and also helps keep the

n-3s from going rancid. That's not to say you shouldn't have a good source

of E in your diet of course.

Chris

In a message dated 3/20/03 9:59:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, je@...

writes:

> so... while we are talking about cod liver oil I just want to make sure I

> understand right~

> someone from prior post said you must also take vit E oil like wheat germ

or

> something to keep the cod liver from going rancid .. should I take flax

oil

> with as well?

> so I am taking all 3??

> just wanted some clarification thanks

>

> p.s I think I first read about this from Ron Rosedale's article that Toby

> posted

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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In a message dated 3/21/03 4:06:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, je@...

writes:

> wow Chris... this is as complicated as all get out ;)

> Thank you for taking the time to type I appreciate it :):)

You're welcome. It's not *that* complicated if you consider the conclusion,

which is take cod liver oil and don't bother worrying too much about anything

else ;-)

> when should I take coconut oil .. and if I order palm butter should I cut

> back on coconut oil intake?

> I currently take about 3-4 tablespoons a day of coconut oil

I don't see any reason to. Their fatty acid profiles are completely

different. Palm butter doesn't have any lauric, capric, or carpylic acids in

it, which are the anti-microbial fatty acids. Palm butter's virtue is its

vitamin E and its carotenes, which conert to vitamin A at much better rates

than from vegetables because it is an oil. Its other virtue is its mild

taste compared to coocnut oil, which makes it particularly good for adding to

soups and frying-- though not as good as butter olive oil and lard in terms

of taste, it is much easier to swallow for nutritional purposes than coconut

oil in my opinion but that is pretty subjective. I think maybe 2 tbsp or

maybe even one of the palm butter will give you basic sufficiency for vitamin

E. If you are consuming grass-fed raw milk, butter, etc, you are getting E

from that too. Also all other grass-fed animal products.

Chris

> could someone from this group email me again if they would like to go in on

> the palm butter and they live in Portland Oregon or nearby like Vancouver

> thanks

>

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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wow Chris... this is as complicated as all get out ;)

Thank you for taking the time to type I appreciate it :):)

when should I take coconut oil .. and if I order palm butter should I cut

back on coconut oil intake?

I currently take about 3-4 tablespoons a day of coconut oil

could someone from this group email me again if they would like to go in on

the palm butter and they live in Portland Oregon or nearby like Vancouver

thanks

jen

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From: <ChrisMasterjohn@...>

< >

Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:55 AM

Subject: Re: fish oils

> Jen,

>

> If you have ordered the palm butter (I remember you asking to go in on it

> with someone), I would take that. Wheat germ oil will not be very

effective,

> because it is loaded with omega-6s, which increase your need for E just

like

> cod liver oil. The omega-6s will also worsen your n-6:n-3 ratio. Palm

> butter does not have as much total E as wheat germ, but it is loaded with

E

> and much higher than most other oils, but its E:PUFA ratio makes it a much

> more effective E-source, and, it is a fuller-spectrum E, containing large

> amounts of tocotrienols, which most oils are deficient in and I think

wheat

> germ has none.

>

> Taking flax will not improve the effectiveness of cod liver oil. Cod

liver

> oil does in fact have a small amount of alpha-linolenic acid, which is

what

> flax is high in, and that's plenty. There is no reason to have a high

intake

> of ALA. The main benefit of ALA beyond a tiny amount is that it can

> theoretically be converted to DHA and EPA; however, the amount that

actually

> gets converted is tiny. Flax WILL however increase your need for vitamin

E

> even more, because the omega-3s in flax are equivalently or in fact even

> slightly MORE likely to go rancid than those in cod liver oil! So, in

terms

> of bang for the buck, flax is not such a great choice, as its ratio of

> [increasing your need for E] to [supplying you with DHA & EPA] is between 10

> and 100 times higher than cod liver oil! (This is calculated using equal

> amounts of n-3 from the two; using equal amounts of actual oil it is far

> worse.)

>

> Also Jen, taking vitamin E is much more important with *fish oil* than

with

> cod liver oil, because *vitamin D* is an antioxidant, and also helps keep

the

> n-3s from going rancid. That's not to say you shouldn't have a good

source

> of E in your diet of course.

>

> Chris

>

> In a message dated 3/20/03 9:59:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

je@...

> writes:

>

> > so... while we are talking about cod liver oil I just want to make sure

I

> > understand right~

> > someone from prior post said you must also take vit E oil like wheat

germ

> or

> > something to keep the cod liver from going rancid .. should I take

flax

> oil

> > with as well?

> > so I am taking all 3??

> > just wanted some clarification thanks

> >

> > p.s I think I first read about this from Ron Rosedale's article that

Toby

> > posted

>

>

> ____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

> heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds,

and

> animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight

of

> them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

> compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

> bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

> Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of

the

> truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

>

> --Saint Isaac the Syrian

>

>

>

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It's not *that* complicated if you consider the conclusion,

> which is take cod liver oil and don't bother worrying too much

about anything

> else ;-)

>

I have a few questions about what oils are the best to take. I and a

few of my little children have a dry skin problem. I get small round

patches of dry, red skin on my arms, etc. My 3yo gets this on his

face and jawline. I was told that taking flax oil would help this

and it does. We are also taking CLO, but I was worried about getting

too much vitamin A since we also take vitamin supplements. I would

prefer to take coconut oil if that would work, and do we need vitamin

supplements if we are taking CLO, or other types of oil?

Michele

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