Re: Tooth brushing question now breastfeeding

[Guest guest]

I breastfed my son at least every 3 hours, even through the night, when I got

pregnant again with my daughter. My son was only 11 months. As of now, I am

breastfeeding my one-year-old daughter, also even at night at least every

three hours, but I started my period already this summer. So breastfeeding

does not work as birth control, at least not for me!

[Guest guest]

I don't think that is true about the breastfeeding anyway. My grandmother

lived quite traditionally before coming to this country. She breastfed all

her children for at least two years I believe. She also told my mother that

breastfeeding was a reliable form of birth control for only 6 months. After

that you couldn't rely on it. I think she knew this from experience. She

had 7 children at home with a midwife if she happened to arrive in time.

The youngest one was born in 1937 when my grandmother was 45.

Irene

At 11:07 PM 3/9/03, you wrote:

> >Don't forget that pregnancy severely depletes a woman's body, and if your

> >mom wasn't eating a super-healthy diet to replenish her reserves, you

> >would've come out unhealthier no matter what.

>

>Plus, in traditional societies kids were spaced at least 5 years apart!

>I had mine 2 years apart -- big mistake! If you live in a traditional

>society, and breast feed as long as they did, you would not get pregnant

>for at least 3 and probably 5 years -- they also carried the kids around

>until they could walk good (about 3-4 years), so a woman could not

>have them too close together. That gave her reserves time to rebuild,

>and the older kid could help care for the younger. Much, much easier

>on the woman. When we started farming, women started having kids

>much closer together, which is one reason for unhealthier kids and

>a shorter lifespan for the woman.

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>Heidi S

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[Guest guest]

> I don't think that is true about the breastfeeding anyway. My

grandmother

> lived quite traditionally before coming to this country. She

breastfed all

> her children for at least two years I believe. She also told my

mother that

> breastfeeding was a reliable form of birth control for only 6

months. After

> that you couldn't rely on it. I think she knew this from

experience.

This is true in my case, that is how I ended up with two babies in a

row right on the sixth month mark. B.

[Guest guest]

I agree, 6 months is all you can count on. That is what happened to me with all

four of mine. My cycles were back to normal after 6 months even though I was

still breastfeeding. My Aunt on the other hand has her children spaced at three

years apart and she says it was breastfeeding that naturally spaced her children

that far apart. I told her she was lucky...... My last three are 1.5 years

apart.

a

----- Original Message -----

From: Irene Musiol

Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:11 PM

Subject: RE: Tooth brushing question now breastfeeding

I don't think that is true about the breastfeeding anyway. My grandmother

lived quite traditionally before coming to this country. She breastfed all

her children for at least two years I believe. She also told my mother that

breastfeeding was a reliable form of birth control for only 6 months. After

that you couldn't rely on it. I think she knew this from experience. She

had 7 children at home with a midwife if she happened to arrive in time.

The youngest one was born in 1937 when my grandmother was 45.

Irene

At 11:07 PM 3/9/03, you wrote:

> >Don't forget that pregnancy severely depletes a woman's body, and if your

> >mom wasn't eating a super-healthy diet to replenish her reserves, you

> >would've come out unhealthier no matter what.

>

>Plus, in traditional societies kids were spaced at least 5 years apart!

>I had mine 2 years apart -- big mistake! If you live in a traditional

>society, and breast feed as long as they did, you would not get pregnant

>for at least 3 and probably 5 years -- they also carried the kids around

>until they could walk good (about 3-4 years), so a woman could not

>have them too close together. That gave her reserves time to rebuild,

>and the older kid could help care for the younger. Much, much easier

>on the woman. When we started farming, women started having kids

>much closer together, which is one reason for unhealthier kids and

>a shorter lifespan for the woman.

>

>

>

>Heidi S

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>

[Guest guest]

>She breastfed all

>her children for at least two years I believe. She also told my mother that

>breastfeeding was a reliable form of birth control for only 6 months. After

>that you couldn't rely on it. I think she knew this from experience.

My sister says that it is reliable IF you are following a " traditional " diet --

so for tribal people it works better than for farmers.

Heidi S

[Guest guest]

Since I don't know any " tribal " people, I guess I wouldn't know. But my

grandmother definitely followed a traditional diet for that area of

sourdough bread (she made her own), eggs (they had chickens), raw

milk, (they had a cow) and meat when they could afford it. They were not

however hunter-gatheres.

At 03:32 PM 3/10/03, you wrote:

> >She breastfed all

> >her children for at least two years I believe. She also told my mother that

> >breastfeeding was a reliable form of birth control for only 6 months. After

> >that you couldn't rely on it. I think she knew this from experience.

>

>My sister says that it is reliable IF you are following a " traditional "

>diet --

>so for tribal people it works better than for farmers.

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>Heidi S

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[Guest guest]

They also ate some fermented vegetables.

>Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:40:39 -0800

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>From: Irene Musiol <irene@...>

>Subject: RE: Tooth brushing question now breastfeeding

>

>Since I don't know any " tribal " people, I guess I wouldn't know. But my

>grandmother definitely followed a traditional diet for that area of

>sourdough bread (she made her own), eggs (they had chickens), raw

>milk, (they had a cow) and meat when they could afford it. They were not

>however hunter-gatheres.

>

>At 03:32 PM 3/10/03, you wrote:

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>> >She breastfed all

>> >her children for at least two years I believe. She also told my mother that

>> >breastfeeding was a reliable form of birth control for only 6 months. After

>> >that you couldn't rely on it. I think she knew this from experience.

>>

>>My sister says that it is reliable IF you are following a " traditional "

>>diet --

>>so for tribal people it works better than for farmers.

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>>Heidi S

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[Guest guest]

I had read once too that when people started eating a more grain based diet,

fertility levels rose becauuse of the fat deposition. In my own case, I

though that I didn't get my fertility back when I was nursing my son because

I was eating a primal diet.

Well, I no longer eat a primal diet and eat grains and my fertility has still

not returned. My child is three years old. And when I was nursing my twins

(and eating a macrobioitc diet) I didn't get a period until they were three

years old. My son was the next one born

(when my twins were five years old) and that's when I started eating a primal

diet (raw meat, no grains etc...) I followed that diet until he was almost 3

1/2 years old.

I started eating other foods because I was so thin (92 pounds at 5 feet 6

tall)

I gained weight and then ovulated and got pregnant without menses returning.

When I was pregnant with my daughter I stuck to a modified primal diet and

now that same child is three. I would like to get back to a modified primal

diet but I get rather thin not eating any grain.

Elainie

[Guest guest]

At 10:03 AM 3/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>I had read once too that when people started eating a more grain based diet,

>fertility levels rose becauuse of the fat deposition. In my own case, I

>though that I didn't get my fertility back when I was nursing my son because

>I was eating a primal diet.

>Well, I no longer eat a primal diet and eat grains and my fertility has still

>not returned.

Grains and fertility in humans are a mixed bag. Some people think

the " gluten grains " are THE biggest cause of infertility (and miscarriage).

But a high-starch diet, creating a nice fat layer, increases your

hormones and makes you more fertile. So " grains " would make

you more fertile IF you don't react to the grain proteins. Rice is generally

the safest grain. Personally I do best on potatoes for starches.

Mercola has a nice summary of the issue, below. About 1 in 5 Americans

reacts to gluten -- celiac is an extreme case of gluten intolerance,

but the reaction itself, it is though, causes a lot of the same effects.

But it isn't something doctors are checking for, at this point.

From Mercola's site:

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/21/celiac_disease.htm

Important data have accumulated in recent years regarding the association

between celiac disease, fertility and pregnancy. Many primary care

obstetricians and gynecologists and

perinatologists are not aware of these important relationships.

The aim of this review, utilizing a MEDLINE search from 1966 through March

2000 of the English language, is to describe the possible effects of celiac

disease and its treatment upon the reproductive cycle, fertility,

pregnancy, and menopause. Review of the literature reveals that patients

with untreated celiac disease sustain a significantly delayed menarche,

earlier menopause, and an increased prevalence of secondary amenorrhea.

Heidi S

[Guest guest]

Wow, that's interesting that you lost so much weight on the Primal

Diet. I have been doing that diet for the past year and have done

very well on it: I gained much needed weight, both fat and muscle.

His diet is so high in fat, which makes up for the lack of grains. I

also get some of carbs from raw milk and some fruit everyday. Did

you eat much fat? Did you drink raw milk or kefir?

Becky

My son was the next one born

> (when my twins were five years old) and that's when I started

eating a primal

> diet (raw meat, no grains etc...) I followed that diet until he was

almost 3

> 1/2 years old.

> I started eating other foods because I was so thin (92 pounds at 5

feet 6

> tall)

> I gained weight and then ovulated and got pregnant without menses

returning.

> When I was pregnant with my daughter I stuck to a modified primal

diet and

> now that same child is three. I would like to get back to a

modified primal

> diet but I get rather thin not eating any grain.

> Elainie

[Guest guest]

I modified it to include some cooked grains on occasion as well as cooked

greens.

Elainie