RE: Tooth brushing question

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>>>>>A lot of people suffer from chronic sinusitis. I've been

experimenting -- with

an e-friend -- with the concept of " probiotics for the nose " . What if --

and I'm not saying I know -- the sinuses are supposed to be colonized by

good bacteria?

We are trying using kefir whey in a Neti pot. So far, so good -- I was

having an incipient sinus infection starting and it seems to be receding,

and my friend

had the same response. I'm using about 1 Tbls per pot of salt water. If

anyone

else has that problem and tries it, do let me know what the outcome is.

---->OK, here's a stupid question :-0, what's a Neti pot? I don't think i

have sinusitis, but am pretty certain my sinus openings are too narrow like

my mom's. but i am a bit congested this winter and if it would help me

breathe through my nose better i'd like to try it. i want to try

kefir-making again anyway - i can't get as good a ferment of my dogs' food

with yogurt whey. the kefir whey was great for that!

>>>>Sinusitis is a bear, and it can really make you sick, and there are not

good treatments for it. The Neti pot really helps, but basically I was

having chronic pain for years before I figured it out (it was low-level

pain, and I just thought it was eye-pain from reading too much). I can't

figure out why this is such an issue for so many people, but I'm guessing

it has something to do with narrow faces or high dental arches, both of

which go with connective tissue issues (which are strongly influenced by

diet).

---->i just read on this gov't fact sheet site that an estimated 37 million

americans suffer sinusitis every year! wow...the potentially far reaching

ramifications of the modern diet...

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Laurie said:

>I have heard of a stick like that used traditionally in India, but

>don't know what sort it is either.

It's a stick from the neem tree. I believe Ayurvedic toothpaste is neem-based.

It's also used as a deoderant soap, I think?

Dryad

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In a message dated 3/10/03 10:38:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jaltak@... writes:

> You underestimate the toothpaste manufacturers in their drive to sell as

> much product as possible. If they think it will sell product they will push

> it for everything they can get out of it. And that is true of most, if not

> all, business.

No I don't. I'm sure they *would* promote brushing anyway over diet if they

*did* know that diet was sufficient for good teeth... BUT hardly anyone

believes that, and I see no reason to suspect your average toothpaste

executive has read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.

Chris

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>---->OK, here's a stupid question :-0, what's a Neti pot? I don't think i

>have sinusitis, but am pretty certain my sinus openings are too narrow like

>my mom's. but i am a bit congested this winter and if it would help me

>breathe through my nose better i'd like to try it. i want to try

>kefir-making again anyway - i can't get as good a ferment of my dogs' food

>with yogurt whey. the kefir whey was great for that!

:-) see http://www.healthandyoga.com/html/product/neti.html

Basically it is a watering can for your nose!

>---->i just read on this gov't fact sheet site that an estimated 37 million

>americans suffer sinusitis every year! wow...the potentially far reaching

>ramifications of the modern diet...

Yeah, and it seems to be getting worse and worse. Or maybe people

just recognize it as sinusitis (instead of " a cold that won't go away " ).

The bacteria actually change the bone in the sinuses, and in kids the

sinus wall can break through, or cause brain pressure and lead

to seizures (this happened to a mother I know personally).

And of course it is often related to gluten ingestion too -- the IgA

changes the sinus tissues. And maybe to carb ingestion. But it's been

around for a long, long time. The Assyrian (?) mummies were recently

studied, and out of 8 mummies, 5 had chronic sinusitis. Mind you,

the Assyrians were also just about the first wheat farmers ... well,

come to think of it, didn't King Tut have that long, slender face too?

Maybe he had thin nasal passages too.

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Cabrita Software

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:-) see http://www.healthandyoga.com/html/product/neti.html

Basically it is a watering can for your nose!

--------->so, you're putting a Tbsp. of kefir whey in the salt water and

drizzling it through your nose? how long do you do it for? that site said it

takes just 3 mins.

>---->i just read on this gov't fact sheet site that an estimated 37 million

>americans suffer sinusitis every year! wow...the potentially far reaching

>ramifications of the modern diet...

>>>And of course it is often related to gluten ingestion too -- the IgA

changes the sinus tissues. And maybe to carb ingestion. But it's been

around for a long, long time. The Assyrian (?) mummies were recently

studied, and out of 8 mummies, 5 had chronic sinusitis. Mind you,

the Assyrians were also just about the first wheat farmers ... well,

come to think of it, didn't King Tut have that long, slender face too?

Maybe he had thin nasal passages too.

----->i don't think tut had a slender face...at least his gold coffin type

thing (what the heck is it called?) is very broad faced.

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From: " Heidi Schuppenhauer " <heidis@...>

>(snippers)

> And of course it is often related to gluten ingestion too -- the IgA

> changes the sinus tissues. And maybe to carb ingestion. But it's been

> around for a long, long time.

> Heidi Schuppenhauer

> Cabrita Software

> heidis@...

I have noticed that since being gluten free that rice gives me a stuffy

nose. It was not soaked so possibly that would have helped? I just

don't eat it. Not worth it.

Take Care,

Adrienne

Goergia Naturals Farm

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>--------->so, you're putting a Tbsp. of kefir whey in the salt water and

>drizzling it through your nose? how long do you do it for? that site said it

>takes just 3 mins.

Yep, that's about right. Or when I get tired of it.

>

>----->i don't think tut had a slender face...at least his gold coffin type

>thing (what the heck is it called?) is very broad faced.

Might depend on the picture ... I heard about it in connection

to scientists saying he had a Marfan bone structure (which

is a long thin face, prone to sinusitis!). They showed some

bas reliefs of him, and he had a very long thin face, but

I'd guess they were looking at his bones for the Marfan

diagnosis.

Marfans is somewhat genetic, but a lot of people have

the gene but no symptoms, so it likely has to do with

diet too.

>

Heidi S

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> I have noticed that since being gluten free that rice gives me a stuffy

>nose. It was not soaked so possibly that would have helped? I just

>don't eat it. Not worth it

I don't do well with rice either. I don't know why -- some rice is

" enriched " and has vitamins from gluten sources, or it may be

that they use flour instead of talc now to keep it from sticking,

or it may be the glutinin (which some people react to, it is in

rice AND wheat). It's not worth it for me either. The more I avoid

it, the more reaction I get from it. Rice pasta doesn't have any

side effects though, so maybe it could be processed to be ok.

Tinkyada rice pasta is processed with enzymes, which probably

get rid of a lot of stuff.

Interestingly, in Dangerous Grains it mentions that 15% of

Japanese react to rice. So maybe it is not as harmless as I

always thought.

Heidi S

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>>>>It's not worth it for me either. The more I avoid it, the more reaction

I get from it.

----->heidi, this is something i've noted in my dogs with a number of foods

and i can't figure out WHY. and not knowing why has been driving me nuts!

when i remove certain items from their diet (mainly plant foods), then

introduce again later on, they REACT for no apparent reason. At first i

thought as they were getting healthier they were becoming less tolerant of

problematic foods, like grains and most veggies. then i thought, well maybe

they're getting LESS healthy and that's why they no longer tolerate rice or

carrots or whatever. this has been a BIG question in my mind...do you have

any idea why you react to rice the more you avoid it?

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Suze-

>At first i

>thought as they were getting healthier they were becoming less tolerant of

>problematic foods, like grains and most veggies. then i thought, well maybe

>they're getting LESS healthy and that's why they no longer tolerate rice or

>carrots or whatever. this has been a BIG question in my mind...

Have you ever been addicted to sugar? I have. After awhile your body sort

of gets used to it, gets dependent on it, at the same time as it's making

you sick. Then after you completely cut out the sugar for awhile, a dose

of sugar will make you feel ghastly. That's not because you're less

healthy after avoiding sugar, it's because your body has stopped making all

the adjustments necessary to survive on the sugar, and because you're not

used to the effects of the sugar and used to compensating for them. If

something doesn't agree with you after a period of abstinence, that's

pretty much the best possible indication that it's not good for you and you

should avoid it like the plague.

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>----->heidi, this is something i've noted in my dogs with a number of foods

>and i can't figure out WHY. and not knowing why has been driving me nuts!

>when i remove certain items from their diet (mainly plant foods), then

>introduce again later on, they REACT for no apparent reason. At first i

>thought as they were getting healthier they were becoming less tolerant of

>problematic foods, like grains and most veggies. then i thought, well maybe

>they're getting LESS healthy and that's why they no longer tolerate rice or

>carrots or whatever. this has been a BIG question in my mind...do you have

>any idea why you react to rice the more you avoid it?

I don't know either, and like you, sometimes it drives me nuts. My guess

though is that the immune system gets healthier. The Life without Bread book

mentions that when people go low carb, they often get inflammations for

awhile, because the immune system is healing and NOW it can actually attack

something and it goes overboard. Anyway, I did not think I had ANY food

allergies, but gave up gluten on a lark -- then when I ate it again, I REALLY

reacted (my husband had the same reaction, and it's pretty much a classic

anecdote). THEN I started getting more allergy issues and joint problems,

lots of joint problems. And started reacting to more other foods -- also

classic. They say it all settles down in a year or two.

If you are eating foods your body can't tolerate, the T cell system more

or less shuts down, and your body is busy producing, say, IgA antibodies

to something that isn't even a real problem. But once the IgA antibodies

go away, there are more resources for attacking other proteins.

I've also heard that your body goes into " tolerance " mode for foods

it really does not like, and it is a low-level stress. If you continue

to re-introduce the food, the body will tolerate it, but it's not good

in the long run. Maybe it is like smells -- if you live with a smoker

you will ignore the smell, eventually! In terms of dogs I can't

see any reason why a dog *should* tolerate rice or carrots -- they

are pretty high in starch and dogs aren't really designed for starchy

diets. Shoot, now I'm hearing that even CHICKENS don't do as well

on a starchy diet, and chickens are the most omnivorous animal

I've ever seen.

Heidi S

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>>>I've also heard that your body goes into " tolerance " mode for foods

it really does not like, and it is a low-level stress. If you continue

to re-introduce the food, the body will tolerate it, but it's not good

in the long run. Maybe it is like smells -- if you live with a smoker

you will ignore the smell, eventually! In terms of dogs I can't

see any reason why a dog *should* tolerate rice or carrots -- they

are pretty high in starch and dogs aren't really designed for starchy

diets.

----->whether they *should* or not, many dogs do digest these just fine :-)

my dogs eat mainly meat/organ/bone, and sometimes just a little rice or well

cooked and mashed carrot seems to irritate their digestive tract, so it's

not a *high starch* diet that's the issue. although my min pin with the

digestive issues is getting a canned food as part of her diet that contains

both rice and cooked carrots. she digests the rice fine, but not the

carrots. also, dogs do have pancreatic amylase, so they *are* designed to

digest *some* starch. i'm just curious as to why they seemed to be able to

digest some plant foods previously, but now can't digest them very well. my

chihuahua's diet is something like 99% animal foods because plant foods

irritate his GIT.

I think alterations in food tolerance may also have to do with the gut

ecology, perhaps. also, the body is so adaptable...research on dogs has

found that their gut length *responds* to diet, with a higher fiber diet

resulting in longer intestine length. and on a similar note, i've found that

my min pin's level of blood amylase dips below 'normal' when she gets almost

no starch in the diet, but rises when she has a regular source of starch in

the diet. the body is an amazing thing!

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>----->whether they *should* or not, many dogs do digest these just fine :-)

>my dogs eat mainly meat/organ/bone, and sometimes just a little rice or well

>cooked and mashed carrot seems to irritate their digestive tract, so it's

>not a *high starch* diet that's the issue. although my min pin with the

>digestive issues is getting a canned food as part of her diet that contains

>both rice and cooked carrots. she digests the rice fine, but not the

>carrots. also, dogs do have pancreatic amylase, so they *are* designed to

>digest *some* starch.

I agree, and I've met many healthy dogs that eat junk food, even. Some people

say dogs have been living with people so long that they've basically

adapted. I was talking in a more generic sense, of starchy foods -- the

grain foods especially are hard on humans even today (something

like 15% of Japanese have problems with rice, according to LWB?). Most

of the problems for people (as I keep soap-boxing) are a kind of allergy

to the protein part.

Which wouldn't apply to ALL dogs -- but if a dog

doesn't do well on a certain food, they may (1) never be able to tolerate

it when they get healthy, because their body may just not like that food.

Or, (2) They may start secreting the right enzymes again and digest

it just fine. But if a food isn't part of the long-term heritage of a dog,

then I wouldn't worry too much if the outcome is (1). Does that make

sense?

>I think alterations in food tolerance may also have to do with the gut

>ecology, perhaps. also, the body is so adaptable...research on dogs has

>found that their gut length *responds* to diet, with a higher fiber diet

>resulting in longer intestine length. and on a similar note, i've found that

>my min pin's level of blood amylase dips below 'normal' when she gets almost

>no starch in the diet, but rises when she has a regular source of starch in

>the diet. the body is an amazing thing!

I think that is true too. For people also, we adapt.

Do you measure blood amylase in your dogs?

Heidi S

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>>>>Do you measure blood amylase in your dogs?

---->well, yuh...doesn't everyone? ;-)

but seriously, i've had about a half dozen senior comprehensive blood

profiles done on mokie in the past few years. they measure a wide spectrum

of blood values including some pancreatic enzymes like amylase. i put each

of mokie's panels in a table so as to track trends over time. so, by looking

at the chart, i can see that her amylase levels dipped below 'normal' when

she was eating a low to no starch diet, but went up when she was getting a

regular starch source.

it's not necessarily representative of other dogs though, because my

chihuahua's amylase levels haven't fluctuated much in response to the amount

of starch in the diet. he is a much healthier animal than mokie, so i'm

guessing his ability to regulate stuff like this is much better than hers.

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