Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 I think the key here is that people separate out the actual facts from a dramatized version of them. Dramatized versions tend to play on the emotions rather than on the brain.Don <DCFrench@...> wrote: Okay, here is a typical example of the media reporting on the bird flu movie. The headline is "Officials: TV movie about bird flu not realistic". The link is http://tinyurl.com/je23kNow, contrary to what and some others have been saying, the media's deception is not to make bird flu sound worse than it is, but to make it seem less serious than it really is. Read this article and then tell me how they justify that headline. Here is what it says in the part where it tells the readers what is wrong with the movie: My comments are interspersed:Fact vs. fiction: "Fatal Contact" - In the movie: People are wearing surgical masks.In real life: Surgical masks are recommended for patients and health care workers.My comment: This is an odd statement. In real life one way influenza is spread is by droplets expelled into the air and inhaled by others. People who are in close proximity to someone who has or is suspected of having influenza should wear a mask. They seem to imply that you don't need to. In fact, in the movie, very few people were wearing any kind of mask and the hospital personell were wearing the wrong kinds when they did at all. This was the fiction in the movie, not that people who are not patients or hospital staff were wearing masks!- In the movie: The virus spreads through contact.In real life: Influenza virus is spread via droplets, so touching contaminated surfaces can spread it.My comment: There is no contradiction here. Touching contaminated surfaces is contact. Why is this mentioned as fact versus fiction?- In the movie: There is a shortage of Tamiflu or other antivirals.In real life: The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is stockpiling enough antivirals to treat 25 percent of the U.S. population. Historical data indicates roughly 25 percent of the population would be infected during a pandemic.My comment: This seem to imply that because the percentage of people who will become infected is the same as the percentage of people that we can protect with Tamiflu is the same, that this represents no shortage. This is absurd. Tamiflu must be taken at the first sign of illness, so everyone with a hint of sickness would reasonably need it just to be on the safe side. 25% coverage is a huge shortfall.- In the movie: There is no vaccine available for months.In real life: Because influenza viruses are always mutating, it isn't possible to develop a vaccine until after the pandemic hits. It will take an estimated six months afterwards to produce a vaccine.My comment: Right! In fact the fiction in the movie was that a vaccine would be available in 4-5 months instead of six. - In the movie: Many neighborhoods are quarantined.In real life: Quarantine could be used in the early days of an emerging pandemic. In extreme cases, a community may be closed off by sealing its borders.My comment: Where is the fiction then?- In the movie: The virus develops a resistance to Tamiflu.In real life: There has been no transmission of a virus resistant to Tamiflu. Starting the drug late or using low doses is believed to be the cause of a few reports of Tamiflu resistance.My comment: Not everyone agrees with this statement. There are several studies that suggest that H5N1 has developed a resistance to Tamiflu. Here are three articles of interest: http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1689888,00.htmlhttp://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=35339http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10561923- In the movie: Many services, such as utilities, become scarce.In real life: So many people becoming ill at the same time could cause an interruption in services or the closing of schools and businesses.My comment: Again, where is the fiction?- In the movie: Many people simply walk off their jobs.In real life: A severe pandemic could cause up to 40 percent of a business' work force to be sick or at home taking care of sick family members. A small percentage of people who are healthy may become too scared to venture out in public.My comment: There is no contradiction between the movie and real life, but I seriously doubt that the percentage of people who decide not to go to work because they fear becoming infected will be small. Won't a significant percentage of people wonder if maybe the cleaning person who sneezed on their keyboard the night before or the colleague who handed them a report in a meeting, or the person who just passed them in the corridor might just possibly be infected when thousands are dying in their cities? How stupid do they really think people are? If anyone goes to work in this situation they are asking to die and I think that will dawn on most people pretty fast.- In the movie: Bodies are taken away by dump truck and many are thrown on a pyre.In real life: The Department of Health and Human Services is working to determine what can be expected in terms of numbers of deaths. Health officials are not speculating on what will be done with bodies until those studies are completed.My comment: HHR refuses to say because they know that this is an emotional hot button that they don't want pushed. There are no other realistic options, however, except to leave the people where they die.- In the movie: The Virginia governor's son dies because he cannot get his diabetes medication.In real life: Supplies, such as medicine, may become unavailable in the case of a pandemic.My comment: Again, where is the fiction? Why don't the media come out and say it? The movie was factual in all important respects and the only place it wasn't was when they underplayed the situation. A bird flu pandemic is a horrible thing to contemplate, but if you lead people to believe that the movie was all a bunch of crap by publishing a blatently deceptive headline, then you are doing a huge disservice to your readership. . 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Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 hhs has been discouraging people to buy masks, because of fears that they will be reused and give people a wrong sense of protection. My thoughts are that there won't be enough masks for medical/first responders if ordinary folks stock pile them.!! -I have mine!! btW- I posted early today about a large cluster of cases in Indonesia. I did not get it in my inbox. did everybody else receive it ?? Don wrote: >Okay, here is a typical example of the media reporting on the bird >flu movie. The headline is " Officials: TV movie about bird flu not >realistic " . The link is http://tinyurl.com/je23k > >Now, contrary to what and some others have been saying, the >media's deception is not to make bird flu sound worse than it is, but >to make it seem less serious than it really is. Read this article >and then tell me how they justify that headline. > >Here is what it says in the part where it tells the readers what is >wrong with the movie: > >My comments are interspersed: > >Fact vs. fiction: " Fatal Contact " > >- In the movie: People are wearing surgical masks. >In real life: Surgical masks are recommended for patients and health >care workers. > >My comment: This is an odd statement. In real life one way influenza >is spread is by droplets expelled into the air and inhaled by >others. People who are in close proximity to someone who has or is >suspected of having influenza should wear a mask. They seem to imply >that you don't need to. In fact, in the movie, very few people were >wearing any kind of mask and the hospital personell were wearing the >wrong kinds when they did at all. This was the fiction in the movie, >not that people who are not patients or hospital staff were wearing >masks! > > >- In the movie: The virus spreads through contact. >In real life: Influenza virus is spread via droplets, so touching >contaminated surfaces can spread it. > >My comment: There is no contradiction here. Touching contaminated >surfaces is contact. Why is this mentioned as fact versus fiction? > >- In the movie: There is a shortage of Tamiflu or other antivirals. >In real life: The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is >stockpiling enough antivirals to treat 25 percent of the U.S. >population. Historical data indicates roughly 25 percent of the >population would be infected during a pandemic. > >My comment: This seem to imply that because the percentage of people >who will become infected is the same as the percentage of people that >we can protect with Tamiflu is the same, that this represents no >shortage. This is absurd. Tamiflu must be taken at the first sign >of illness, so everyone with a hint of sickness would reasonably need >it just to be on the safe side. 25% coverage is a huge shortfall. > >- In the movie: There is no vaccine available for months. >In real life: Because influenza viruses are always mutating, it isn't >possible to develop a vaccine until after the pandemic hits. It will >take an estimated six months afterwards to produce a vaccine. > >My comment: Right! In fact the fiction in the movie was that a >vaccine would be available in 4-5 months instead of six. > >- In the movie: Many neighborhoods are quarantined. >In real life: Quarantine could be used in the early days of an >emerging pandemic. In extreme cases, a community may be closed off by >sealing its borders. > >My comment: Where is the fiction then? > >- In the movie: The virus develops a resistance to Tamiflu. >In real life: There has been no transmission of a virus resistant to >Tamiflu. Starting the drug late or using low doses is believed to be >the cause of a few reports of Tamiflu resistance. > >My comment: Not everyone agrees with this statement. There are >several studies that suggest that H5N1 has developed a resistance to >Tamiflu. Here are three articles of interest: > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1689888,00.html >http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=35339 >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10561923 > >- In the movie: Many services, such as utilities, become scarce. >In real life: So many people becoming ill at the same time could >cause an interruption in services or the closing of schools and >businesses. > >My comment: Again, where is the fiction? > >- In the movie: Many people simply walk off their jobs. >In real life: A severe pandemic could cause up to 40 percent of a >business' work force to be sick or at home taking care of sick family >members. A small percentage of people who are healthy may become too >scared to venture out in public. > >My comment: There is no contradiction between the movie and real >life, but I seriously doubt that the percentage of people who decide >not to go to work because they fear becoming infected will be small. >Won't a significant percentage of people wonder if maybe the cleaning >person who sneezed on their keyboard the night before or the >colleague who handed them a report in a meeting, or the person who >just passed them in the corridor might just possibly be infected when >thousands are dying in their cities? How stupid do they really think >people are? If anyone goes to work in this situation they are asking >to die and I think that will dawn on most people pretty fast. > >- In the movie: Bodies are taken away by dump truck and many are >thrown on a pyre. >In real life: The Department of Health and Human Services is working >to determine what can be expected in terms of numbers of deaths. >Health officials are not speculating on what will be done with bodies >until those studies are completed. > >My comment: HHR refuses to say because they know that this is an >emotional hot button that they don't want pushed. There are no other >realistic options, however, except to leave the people where they die. > >- In the movie: The Virginia governor's son dies because he cannot >get his diabetes medication. >In real life: Supplies, such as medicine, may become unavailable in >the case of a pandemic. > >My comment: Again, where is the fiction? > >Why don't the media come out and say it? The movie was factual in >all important respects and the only place it wasn't was when they >underplayed the situation. A bird flu pandemic is a horrible thing >to contemplate, but if you lead people to believe that the movie was >all a bunch of crap by publishing a blatently deceptive headline, >then you are doing a huge disservice to your readership. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 I got it and it is on the group website. Definitely something to keep an eye on. > btW- I posted early today about a large cluster of cases in Indonesia. I > did not get it in my inbox. did everybody else receive it ?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Yes, they could be reused and misused, but which is worse, that or if they don't use any? I think that they don't want to tell people to get the right masks because, as you say, there won't be enough for medical/first responders. There was quite a shortage for awhile during the SARS scare. > > >Okay, here is a typical example of the media reporting on the bird > >flu movie. The headline is " Officials: TV movie about bird flu not > >realistic " . The link is http://tinyurl.com/je23k > > > >Now, contrary to what and some others have been saying, the > >media's deception is not to make bird flu sound worse than it is, but > >to make it seem less serious than it really is. Read this article > >and then tell me how they justify that headline. > > > >Here is what it says in the part where it tells the readers what is > >wrong with the movie: > > > >My comments are interspersed: > > > >Fact vs. fiction: " Fatal Contact " > > > >- In the movie: People are wearing surgical masks. > >In real life: Surgical masks are recommended for patients and health > >care workers. > > > >My comment: This is an odd statement. In real life one way influenza > >is spread is by droplets expelled into the air and inhaled by > >others. People who are in close proximity to someone who has or is > >suspected of having influenza should wear a mask. They seem to imply > >that you don't need to. In fact, in the movie, very few people were > >wearing any kind of mask and the hospital personell were wearing the > >wrong kinds when they did at all. This was the fiction in the movie, > >not that people who are not patients or hospital staff were wearing > >masks! > > > > > >- In the movie: The virus spreads through contact. > >In real life: Influenza virus is spread via droplets, so touching > >contaminated surfaces can spread it. > > > >My comment: There is no contradiction here. Touching contaminated > >surfaces is contact. Why is this mentioned as fact versus fiction? > > > >- In the movie: There is a shortage of Tamiflu or other antivirals. > >In real life: The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is > >stockpiling enough antivirals to treat 25 percent of the U.S. > >population. Historical data indicates roughly 25 percent of the > >population would be infected during a pandemic. > > > >My comment: This seem to imply that because the percentage of people > >who will become infected is the same as the percentage of people that > >we can protect with Tamiflu is the same, that this represents no > >shortage. This is absurd. Tamiflu must be taken at the first sign > >of illness, so everyone with a hint of sickness would reasonably need > >it just to be on the safe side. 25% coverage is a huge shortfall. > > > >- In the movie: There is no vaccine available for months. > >In real life: Because influenza viruses are always mutating, it isn't > >possible to develop a vaccine until after the pandemic hits. It will > >take an estimated six months afterwards to produce a vaccine. > > > >My comment: Right! In fact the fiction in the movie was that a > >vaccine would be available in 4-5 months instead of six. > > > >- In the movie: Many neighborhoods are quarantined. > >In real life: Quarantine could be used in the early days of an > >emerging pandemic. In extreme cases, a community may be closed off by > >sealing its borders. > > > >My comment: Where is the fiction then? > > > >- In the movie: The virus develops a resistance to Tamiflu. > >In real life: There has been no transmission of a virus resistant to > >Tamiflu. Starting the drug late or using low doses is believed to be > >the cause of a few reports of Tamiflu resistance. > > > >My comment: Not everyone agrees with this statement. There are > >several studies that suggest that H5N1 has developed a resistance to > >Tamiflu. Here are three articles of interest: > > > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1689888,00.html > >http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=35339 > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10561923 > > > >- In the movie: Many services, such as utilities, become scarce. > >In real life: So many people becoming ill at the same time could > >cause an interruption in services or the closing of schools and > >businesses. > > > >My comment: Again, where is the fiction? > > > >- In the movie: Many people simply walk off their jobs. > >In real life: A severe pandemic could cause up to 40 percent of a > >business' work force to be sick or at home taking care of sick family > >members. A small percentage of people who are healthy may become too > >scared to venture out in public. > > > >My comment: There is no contradiction between the movie and real > >life, but I seriously doubt that the percentage of people who decide > >not to go to work because they fear becoming infected will be small. > >Won't a significant percentage of people wonder if maybe the cleaning > >person who sneezed on their keyboard the night before or the > >colleague who handed them a report in a meeting, or the person who > >just passed them in the corridor might just possibly be infected when > >thousands are dying in their cities? How stupid do they really think > >people are? If anyone goes to work in this situation they are asking > >to die and I think that will dawn on most people pretty fast. > > > >- In the movie: Bodies are taken away by dump truck and many are > >thrown on a pyre. > >In real life: The Department of Health and Human Services is working > >to determine what can be expected in terms of numbers of deaths. > >Health officials are not speculating on what will be done with bodies > >until those studies are completed. > > > >My comment: HHR refuses to say because they know that this is an > >emotional hot button that they don't want pushed. There are no other > >realistic options, however, except to leave the people where they die. > > > >- In the movie: The Virginia governor's son dies because he cannot > >get his diabetes medication. > >In real life: Supplies, such as medicine, may become unavailable in > >the case of a pandemic. > > > >My comment: Again, where is the fiction? > > > >Why don't the media come out and say it? The movie was factual in > >all important respects and the only place it wasn't was when they > >underplayed the situation. A bird flu pandemic is a horrible thing > >to contemplate, but if you lead people to believe that the movie was > >all a bunch of crap by publishing a blatently deceptive headline, > >then you are doing a huge disservice to your readership. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Good evening, . I agree with you. We cannot permit drama and panic to distort facts. Nor can we permit PR from corporate fat cats to disuade us from accepting the truth--no matter how unpalatable the truth may be. > > I think the key here is that people separate out the actual facts from a dramatized version of them. Dramatized versions tend to play on the emotions rather than on the brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Masks can be re-used and people should know how to do it. http://f6.grp.fs.com/v1/cDJkRKbQ28WLgS- p01hHxvkKRuPScbX4AopW5IRPG_JECQVjccEXFIFapEYhbIWpiXufgpfJLWUchEMl1FgmOg/ Flu%20Drugs%20and%20Treatments/Reusing%20Disposable%20Medical%20Masks Since we may well have years and years to prepare for this pandemic, everyone--government and citizens--should stockpile what will be needed. > > hhs has been discouraging people to buy masks, because of fears that > they will be reused and give people a wrong sense of protection. My > thoughts are that there won't be enough masks for medical/first > responders if ordinary folks stock pile them.!! -I have mine!! > btW- I posted early today about a large cluster of cases in Indonesia. I > did not get it in my inbox. did everybody else receive it ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Can you provide a tinyurl link to the mask site. I can't get your link to work. Thanks! > > > > hhs has been discouraging people to buy masks, because of fears that > > they will be reused and give people a wrong sense of protection. My > > thoughts are that there won't be enough masks for medical/first > > responders if ordinary folks stock pile them.!! -I have mine!! > > btW- I posted early today about a large cluster of cases in > Indonesia. I > > did not get it in my inbox. did everybody else receive it ?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 http://tinyurl.com/zwp78 > > Can you provide a tinyurl link to the mask site. I can't get your > link to work. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 In a message dated 5/13/2006 4:18:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, jackalope_lepus@... writes: http://tinyurl.com/zwp78 this does not bring anything up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Alright. Click FILES, then click Flu Drugs and Treatments, then click the article: Reuse of Disposable Medical Masks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 that doesn't exactly tell ya much... tom --- Lee <jackalope_lepus@...> wrote: > Alright. Click FILES, then click Flu Drugs and Treatments, then > click > the article: Reuse of Disposable Medical Masks > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Hi Tom, I agree. Please feel free to try to find more detailed information on this. And if you do, please post it. I have not been able to find better information. > that doesn't exactly tell ya much... > tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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