Re: green supplements

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When calcium is leached out of the bones, it is part of a self-regulatory

system to maintain the blood Ph, which means the Ph will, in a person whose

self-regulatory system is working correctly, maintain alkalinity no matter

what the person eats. In that case, the primary problem is mineral loss from

the bone stores in order to maintain that alkalinity.

Sometimes people are too alkaline or to acid, but many would question whether

this boils down to the combined ash value of the food you eat.

Quite a few of the populations Price studied, with immunity to degenerative

diseases, had acid-forming diets, according to traditionally accepted ash

values. Either it is erroneous that acidic environments are disease forming,

or that eating a diet higher in acid-ash-forming foods than

alkaline-ash-forming foods necessary equates to acidifying the blood.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Thank you everyone for all this information!! I am learning so much!

I take alot of green supplements so hopefully this is enough to counteract

PRAL

potential renal acid load

~I also eat lots and lots of fruits and veggies so thats good

One's fruit/veg intake must be higher in order to counteract right?

~Is this how the Stone-Age people counteracted the calciuretic effects of

their high protein diets??

jen

" And we have made of ourselves living cesspools, and driven doctors to

invent names for our diseases. " Plato

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From: " Carol Saunders " <carolnpepa@...>

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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:13 AM

Subject: Re: green supplements

> Thanks for your input. The only effect that I know it

> has is that it can make my urine output test alkaline.

> I have read conflicting things about the whole acid

> vs alkaline and was unsure about the grass

> supplements.

>

> --- michael <mdstephenson@...> wrote:

> > Carol,

> >

> > My husband and I use to supplement with a barley

> > grass drink. We have

> > recently stopped because we had not seen any

> > measureable improvement and we

> > took it for over 3 years. We were told to take it

> > on an empty stomach.

>

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Jen-

>~Is this how the Stone-Age people counteracted the calciuretic effects of

>their high protein diets??

There is no calciuretic effect from a " high protein " diet, and studies show

that people who eat more meat have stronger bones. In fact, the component

of bones that make them strong isn't even calcium -- think how fragile

chalk is -- but protein. The studies that purport to show that protein

consumption causes osteoporosis used protein isolates, not meat, and fed

subjects enormous quantities of those denatured, toxic isolates.

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>Discounting Wilcox work with the Metabolic Diet, most

> " authorities " that I have read agree that grains,

>meats, and fats are acidic.

First off, and I honestly say this with all due respect and no offense

intended, who gives a flying **** what any " authorities " think, let alone

what the bulk of them believe? The vast majority of " authority " says we

should eat a drastically low-fat, high-carb diet, that vegetable oils (at

least in moderate quantities) are healthy and animal fats toxic, that

dietary cholesterol causes heart disease, that there's absolutely nothing

wrong with preparing grain-based foods in the quick modern way without

taking the time to reduce or eliminate phytic acid and increase nutrient

content by soaking or fermenting or what-have-you, and so on and so forth,

and I assume we all know just how valuable _that_ advice is.

Authority by itself is useless and manifestly corrupt, and we should cast

it down from its pedestal of disease and extortion, stomp it into the

ground and salt the earth from which it grew so that no more of its lies

can ever take root and afflict us again. If someone comes to you and tells

you to follow some regimen or other solely on his authority, you should

tell him to go follow his own advice for fifty years or so and then come

back and show you how it's worked for him before you so much as dip a toe

in the water. (And I'm thinking here of all the doctors with heart disease

taking statins and blood pressure medication as their health spirals into

the gutter and they pass gracelessly into a crippled and demented old age

all the while maintaining that the lipid hypothesis is the Grand Unified

Theory of health, proven beyond a doubt, and of all the vegetarian and

low-fat gurus who keep preaching their poison even from their sickbeds as

their monstrous diets kill them and everybody they infect with their

miserable ideas.) What we need is sound scientific and empirical argument

and evidence, such as that offered by Weston A. Price in NAPD and

present-day scientists like Uffe Ravnskov -- and the evidence and arguments

must stand on their own, not merely on respect for the " authority " of Price

and Ravnskov, no matter how worthy they are.

Second, while I don't know what specifically you've read, I've noticed

widespread disagreement in the alternative field on which foods are

" acidifying " and which are " alkalinizing " . Some hold, for example, that

cooked meat is acidifying while raw meat is alkalinizing, and others insist

that all meat is acidifying, and there are many more disagreements on many

other foods besides. Nor do there seem to be sound scientific arguments in

favor of any one taxonomic scheme over the others, or, in fact, anywhere in

the whole field. Within reasonable limits, who cares what the exact pH of

your urine is as long as you're healthy and eating plenty of healthy fats

and whole, healthy foods properly prepared? The body is maintaining

homeostasis by varying the pH of the urine as necessary, that's all. (I

wish Weston A. Price had measured the pH of the urines of the various

healthy cultures he visited and examined. It would've been interesting to

see how it varied between cultures and also within cultures from person to

person and from one day to the next.) And while various people claim to

have demonstrated that various foods have various different and repeatable

effects on urine pH, has anyone ever demonstrated a corresponding change in

blood pH, and even more importantly, has anyone ever proven or even

demonstrated a corresponding change in actual health? Not that I've seen.

Third, and most significantly, the available evidence just doesn't support

the assertion. If " acidifying " foods cause excess calcium excretion, and

if fat is one such acidifying food, then why is raw butter from cows grazed

on grass growing in fertile soil such an excellent remedy for

cavities? Why did the Masai have virtually no osteoporosis or cavities

when they ate their traditional carnivorous diet of meat, blood and

milk? Why do vegetarians, including more traditional ones who don't just

eat grains and soy and other legumes, not to mention piles of sugar and

other toxic waste, suffer from much more osteoporosis and tooth decay than

meat eaters? And what about Price's other dental work, in which he showed

that sugar reverses the flow of fluid into healthy teeth and thus cause

cavities from the inside out, as it were?

Price found tremendously healthy cultures free of degenerative diseases

like osteoporosis, cavities and CHD which were eating so-called acidifying

diets, and healthy cultures free of disease which were eating so-called

alkalinizing diets. The obvious conclusion is that this whole

acid-alkaline business is bunk and something else is at work.

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At 12:07 PM 1/31/03 -0800, you wrote:

>,

>

>I thought I would throw something in here. 

>

>Discounting Wilcox work with the Metabolic Diet, most

> " authorities " that I have read agree that grains,

>meats, and fats are acidic.  Vegetables and fruits are

>alkalizing (except for a few).  They say from various

>studies that an acidic terrain is disease causing and

>an alkaline terrain is healing.  They say that a body

>that is more alkaline (except for the stomach, of

>course), is healthier and fights illness better. 

>

>If this is true, then it appears that a diet high in

>grains, meats and fats will be a problem for that

>person eventually; maybe even sooner. 

>

>I know of a nutitionist that is a very dedicated

>following of NT/WAP and does eat meat, fat and

>proteins, but makes sure he is eating plenty of

>vegetables, coral calcium/ mag. to alkalize his

>system.  He says that a Atkins type diet after the

>weight loss is very detrimental to the body, because

>it is so acid forming.  So, whether or not calcium is

>leached out of the bones is a mute point.  What is

>important is that the body stays in an alkaline state,

>not an acidic state.

>

>, I take it you will disagree with this.  But,

>many practitioners consider the above points very

>valid from a total health perspective. 

>

>Any comments would be appreciated.

>

>

What bothers me most about these blanket statements, that I've seen in

many places is are they saying the food outside the body tests alkaline or

acidic, the blood tests acidic on a mainly protein diet, the blood tests

alkaline on a high carb or vegetarian diet or is it the urine? How many of all

people of the same eating patterns fit the criteria? I've never seen the exact

basis stated. Metabolic typing's research has led Wolcott at least to find

that if you eat for your metabolic type (example: protein) that that body type

on its optimal nutritional ratio of protein/fat/carbohydrate is not acidic.

Eating SAD gave me awful acid problems and sluggishness. Eliminating the

simple

carbs and replacing them with more fruits and vegetables didn't improve either

much. More protein, fat and less carbs did. I've observed many people who from

their diets it would be thought they would be alkaline. They're more ill and

sluggish than I ever was.

Wanita

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--- In , Wanita Sears <wanitawa@b...>

wrote:

> What bothers me most about these blanket statements, that

> I've seen in many places is are they saying the food outside the

> body tests alkaline or acidic, the blood tests acidic on a mainly

> protein diet, the blood tests alkaline on a high carb or

> vegetarian diet or is it the urine?

As I understand it, the body regulates blood pH within a very narrow

range and that obvious illness occurs when blood pH deviates from

that range. If that's the case, I imagine testing actual blood pH

would be a waste of time for most people, and testing urine would

only show to what degree the body had to regulate the blood pH in

order to keep it within operating parameters.

With all the conflicting info with respect to acid/alkaline, I don't

really know who to believe, so I listen to my body. As it happens,

about four years ago I developed chronic epididymitis. It does

respond to antibiotics, so I know the infection is bacterial in

nature. Since the antibiotics are temporary in their effect, I keep

the infection in check with properly made colloidal silver that I

make at home.

However, what I've found is that I get flare-ups when I eat a lot of

meat several days in a row. The dogma is that the acidified body from

eating an acid diet is prone to infections, and that appears to be

the case with my diet and my low-grade infection. YMMV.

Re: green supplements

Right now there's a multi-level marketing company that is all the

rage locally. The foundation product is a sprouted grass powder that

is mixed with water. While I find their marketing religion to be

pseudoscience for the most part, I do like how water tastes with the

powder, and, as a result, I end up drinking a lot more water than I

would otherwise. Their green powder tastes a whole lot better to me

than any of the green powders available at the healthfood store, so I

stick with it even though it's one of those obnoxious MLM's.

And, no, I am not writing this to promote it, so please do not email

me about it. If you must know the name of the company, do a Google

search on 'alkalize grass' and figure it out.