Guest guest Posted February 18, 2001 Report Share Posted February 18, 2001 Hi , I have been following this list for a long time. I tried the flushes with great results but the pain and the discomfort continue. I can't eat eggs, corn, pork , pizza, ice cream, milk products, but am negative to the lactose testing.Any meal it seems starts the pain under my ribs and the fatigue. If I have the surgery will I feel better? How long does it Take to get over the surgery? What can I expect? I feel almost guilty to have the surgery but feel my options are limited. I can't go on like this much longer. It has been a couple of years. Any advice? Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2001 Report Share Posted February 18, 2001 Joyce, ----- Original Message ----- From: & Joyce Kaye gallstones Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: Surgery ? Why don't you go to http://www.sensiblehealth.com and forward, your post to Chang, using the free by e-mail-consultation service she offers there. Others in this group claim benefit from having discussed their situation with her, including myself, and, whereas, you may elect not to use her suggestions, you'll have that many more from which to choose before you make any decision as to surgery. I, personally, wouldn't do anything I was feeling " almost guilty " about. I wouldn't let someone else's experiences weigh too heavily in my decision-making process regarding surgery, either; those outcomes seem to widely vary and are not necessarily an indication of anything you, yourself, might experience, either immediately afterward, or down the road somewhere. Hi , I have been following this list for a long time. I tried the flushes with great results but the pain and the discomfort continue. I can't eat eggs, corn, pork , pizza, ice cream, <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 >>I wouldn't let someone else's experiences weigh too heavily in my decision-making process regarding surgery, either; those outcomes seem to widely vary and are not necessarily an indication of anything you, yourself, might experience, either immediately afterward, or down the road somewhere.<< Of course, the same could be said about flushing. If we didn't wish to learn from the experiences of others, none of us would have ever come to this list. I chose to respond to Joyce off-list, simply because positive surgery reports are sometimes not appreciated here. I am glad that so many people can come here and find ways that may help them hang on to their gallbladders. They are learning from someone else's experiences. And should they inquire about surgery, they can learn from the experiences of others also. Debra _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 Yes, I also agree with Debra. I had my surgery a month ago and I feel fine so far. No more pains at night time. I was always living in fear for the last two years about the prospect of pain at night. I also done several flushes but can not get rid of the calcified stone after using GCG. I am glad I did my surgery. Ajit --- D B <fairyflight@...> wrote: > >>I wouldn't let someone else's experiences > weigh too heavily in my decision-making process > regarding > surgery, either; those outcomes seem to widely vary > and > are not necessarily an indication of anything you, > yourself, > might experience, either immediately afterward, or > down the > road somewhere.<< > > Of course, the same could be said about flushing. > If we didn't wish to > learn from the experiences of others, none of us > would have ever come to > this list. I chose to respond to Joyce off-list, > simply because positive > surgery reports are sometimes not appreciated here. > I am glad that so many > people can come here and find ways that may help > them hang on to their > gallbladders. They are learning from someone else's > experiences. And > should they inquire about surgery, they can learn > from the experiences of > others also. > > Debra > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 Ajit, just wondering how long you used the gold coin grass. laura ----- Original Message ----- From: " AJIT BUTTAR " <ASB3465@...> <gallstones > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Surgery ? > Yes, I also agree with Debra. I had my surgery a month > ago and I feel fine so far. No more pains at night > time. I was always living in fear for the last two > years about the prospect of pain at night. I also done > several flushes but can not get rid of the calcified > stone after using GCG. > > I am glad I did my surgery. > > Ajit > > --- D B <fairyflight@...> wrote: > > >>I wouldn't let someone else's experiences > > weigh too heavily in my decision-making process > > regarding > > surgery, either; those outcomes seem to widely vary > > and > > are not necessarily an indication of anything you, > > yourself, > > might experience, either immediately afterward, or > > down the > > road somewhere.<< > > > > Of course, the same could be said about flushing. > > If we didn't wish to > > learn from the experiences of others, none of us > > would have ever come to > > this list. I chose to respond to Joyce off-list, > > simply because positive > > surgery reports are sometimes not appreciated here. > > I am glad that so many > > people can come here and find ways that may help > > them hang on to their > > gallbladders. They are learning from someone else's > > experiences. And > > should they inquire about surgery, they can learn > > from the experiences of > > others also. > > > > Debra > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 , In 2 years I have done over 8 flushes, each one using GCG for 2 weeks before these flushes. My ND also gave me a bottle of 120 caps of Chinese medicine to dissove the stones. The name on the bottle was " Dissolve " . After my surgry I recovered three each measuring 1.8mm hard black stones and I am sure they were not going to be dissolved by anything. They are heavy too. I am keeping them to remind my two little boys that a food rich in animal fat is the cause of my losing the GB. Ajit --- robert mcmullan <mcfam12@...> wrote: > Ajit, just wondering how long you used the gold coin > grass. laura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " AJIT BUTTAR " <ASB3465@...> > <gallstones > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:57 AM > Subject: Re: Surgery ? > > > > Yes, I also agree with Debra. I had my surgery a > month > > ago and I feel fine so far. No more pains at night > > time. I was always living in fear for the last two > > years about the prospect of pain at night. I also > done > > several flushes but can not get rid of the > calcified > > stone after using GCG. > > > > I am glad I did my surgery. > > > > Ajit > > > > --- D B <fairyflight@...> wrote: > > > >>I wouldn't let someone else's experiences > > > weigh too heavily in my decision-making process > > > regarding > > > surgery, either; those outcomes seem to widely > vary > > > and > > > are not necessarily an indication of anything > you, > > > yourself, > > > might experience, either immediately afterward, > or > > > down the > > > road somewhere.<< > > > > > > Of course, the same could be said about > flushing. > > > If we didn't wish to > > > learn from the experiences of others, none of us > > > would have ever come to > > > this list. I chose to respond to Joyce > off-list, > > > simply because positive > > > surgery reports are sometimes not appreciated > here. > > > I am glad that so many > > > people can come here and find ways that may help > > > them hang on to their > > > gallbladders. They are learning from someone > else's > > > experiences. And > > > should they inquire about surgery, they can > learn > > > from the experiences of > > > others also. > > > > > > Debra > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 WOW!!! , thanks for posting that link!!! I plan on getting intouch with Chang myself...and getting a hold of some of that Gold Coin Grass...I've been trying to find some anyways, but after reading her stories, she filled in some missing info for me...THANKS AGAIN!!! ddm > Joyce, > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: & Joyce Kaye > gallstones@y... > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 2:15 PM > Subject: Surgery ? > > Why don't you go to http://www.sensiblehealth.com and > forward, your post to Chang, using the free by > e-mail-consultation service she offers there. Others in this > group claim benefit from having discussed their situation > with her, including myself, and, whereas, you may elect not > to use her suggestions, you'll have that many more from > which to choose before you make any decision as to > surgery. > > I, personally, wouldn't do anything I was feeling " almost > guilty " about. I wouldn't let someone else's experiences > weigh too heavily in my decision-making process regarding > surgery, either; those outcomes seem to widely vary and > are not necessarily an indication of anything you, yourself, > might experience, either immediately afterward, or down the > road somewhere. > > > > Hi , > I have been following this list for a long time. I tried the flushes with > great results but the pain and the discomfort continue. I can't eat eggs, > corn, pork , pizza, ice cream, <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 Ajit and Group, ----- Original Message ----- From: AJIT BUTTAR gallstones Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Surgery ? Ajit said: >I am sure they were not going to be dissolved by anything. They are heavy too. I am keeping them to remind my two little boys that a food rich in animal fat is the cause of my losing the GB. I am curious why you think that these are not biodegradable by the body over time. If you think something you did, dietarily, caused it, why, then wouldn't something else you did, later, dietarily, be able to rectify (dissolve) it? I know doesn't believe in quitting flushing until the hard black and even red stones have been discharged; and I can imagine adherence to his rigorous protocols over a period of years to be fully capable of whittling away at the size of any such " stones " to allow their later discharge (though I don't have personal experience). Mr. recommended to me at least two full years of daily colonic irrigation, for instance, before I could even begin to take on the task of a single, true liver " flush " . Definitely a long-term commitment, but that's how I see the commitment to becoming ill with gallbladder problems, in the first place. We had to work hard at it. Those hard, black stones didn't get there overnight or in a few short weeks, months, or probably even in a couple of years. This is not meant as a criticism of your choices for surgery, Arjit, or anyone else--it is just a reminder to others who have their gallbladders and their problems still intact, that healing this way isn't a short-term engagement, where you expect some products and protocols to " work " --it's a whole new way of life devoted to a new pleasure: the pleasure of getting out of the way so your body do its " work " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 , --- Macdonald <morgan@...> wrote: > Ajit and Group, > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AJIT BUTTAR > gallstones > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: Surgery ? > > wrote: > > I am curious why you think that these are not > biodegradable by the body over time. If you > think something you did, dietarily, caused it, > why, then wouldn't something else you did, > later, dietarily, be able to rectify (dissolve) it? > I am saying: What would make me think that these are biodegradable? They are not biogradable by body itself unless we play some part into it. Flusing was the only option I thought of. Then why people go to dentist for removing the plaque on their teeth. Why plaque is not biodegradable? Dietarily, I am coming from Asian country where Gb stones are unknown, there it is saying that GB stones is disease of the western countries. The diet is 90 % without animal fat in that country. I came here 26 years ago and I started on eating fries, Burgers and Pizza. You are right these stones are not formed in one day or few months. We all can not be like since each of us have different will and motivation. My motivation lasted only 2 years. , you are lucky if you can keep your gallbladder in good condition. Ajit > > I know doesn't believe in quitting > flushing until the hard black and even red stones > have been discharged; and I can imagine > adherence to his rigorous protocols over a period > of years to be fully capable of whittling away at > the > size of any such " stones " to allow their later > discharge (though I don't have personal experience). > > Mr. recommended to me at least two full > years of daily colonic irrigation, for instance, > before I could even begin to take on the task of > a single, true liver " flush " . Definitely a > long-term > commitment, but that's how I see the commitment > to becoming ill with gallbladder problems, in the > first place. We had to work hard at it. Those > hard, > black stones didn't get there overnight or in a few > short weeks, months, or probably even in a couple > of years. > > This is not meant as a criticism of your choices > for surgery, Arjit, or anyone else--it is just a > reminder to others who have their gallbladders and > their problems still intact, that healing this way > isn't > a short-term engagement, where you expect some > products and protocols to " work " --it's a whole new > way of life devoted to a new pleasure: the pleasure > of getting out of the way so your body do its > " work " . > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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