Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 In a message dated 2/11/03 3:46:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dpdg@... writes: > are protein bars out as well? > > (power bars, balance bars etc) > > ? Yep, pretty much. However, if you _need_ to eat one (i.e. very hungry and in some store in the middle of nowhere where there is no real food) I would recommend the Powerbar " Pria " bar, as it is the best I've seen. All the other PowerBars use protein isolate and refined sweeteners, but this particular one uses brown rice syrup and dried whey powder. It has some soy protein chips, but they are further down the list, and in low quantity compared to the other bars. I still wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole if I didn't have to though. Just all the others are so much worse. Standard Process makes some meal bars. They might be good, but haven't seen the ingredients. Maybe Dr. Mike could shed some light on them? Personally, I don't see the point. I've just started working out, and I find I have to eat way more, including days I don't work out on, but just eat more *food*. And I always have a protein rich snack/meal immediately after working out. I don't see the reason for protein powders or bars to do either. If nothing else, it is very easy to bring a bottle of raw milk with you to work out, and just drink it when you're done. Lately I've been bringing a quarter pound of raw steak, with mushrooms or milk or something for carbs, and I eat it on my way to school in the car. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 Jen- >~is it ok to make protein drink if I add highly saturated fat such as >coconut oil etc There are two problems with that. First, while you'd be adding a fat, the protein would still be missing the vast array of nutrients and compounds that are found in actual food but not in isolated powders. Second, the processing of the protein to yield the purified powder damages the powder rendering it harmful and unfit for consumption. There may be a couple protein isolates out there that are processed without high temperatures or pressures, so perhaps small quantities of those would be OK, but I'm not sure I see the point. Why not just eat more meat, or more milk, or more cheese, or whatever, to get more protein? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 , I don't lift weights, but the following " protein drink " really gets me going in the morning: 1 cup full fat yogurt 1 small can pure coconut milk 2 raw eggs 1 banana bit of OJ melted coconut oil (as much as you can do) It even tastes good--you can add more eggs for more protein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 I agree with . It was studies done on powdered eggs, not fresh whole eggs, that helped get the low-fat movement going. Judith Alta Kidder Southwest Michigan jaltak@... -----Original Message----- Jen- >~is it ok to make protein drink if I add highly saturated fat such as >coconut oil etc There are two problems with that. First, while you'd be adding a fat, the protein would still be missing the vast array of nutrients and compounds that are found in actual food but not in isolated powders. Second, the processing of the protein to yield the purified powder damages the powder rendering it harmful and unfit for consumption. There may be a couple protein isolates out there that are processed without high temperatures or pressures, so perhaps small quantities of those would be OK, but I'm not sure I see the point. Why not just eat more meat, or more milk, or more cheese, or whatever, to get more protein? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 are protein bars out as well? (power bars, balance bars etc) ? ----- Original Message ----- From: " Idol " <Idol@...> < > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Re: PROTEIN POWDER? > Jen- > > >~is it ok to make protein drink if I add highly saturated fat such as > >coconut oil etc > > There are two problems with that. First, while you'd be adding a fat, the > protein would still be missing the vast array of nutrients and compounds > that are found in actual food but not in isolated powders. Second, the > processing of the protein to yield the purified powder damages the powder > rendering it harmful and unfit for consumption. There may be a couple > protein isolates out there that are processed without high temperatures or > pressures, so perhaps small quantities of those would be OK, but I'm not > sure I see the point. Why not just eat more meat, or more milk, or more > cheese, or whatever, to get more protein? > > > > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 a close look at the ingredients list of any 'protein bar' might provide a pretty good answer. Dedy ----- Original Message ----- From: Evely Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: Re: PROTEIN POWDER? are protein bars out as well? (power bars, balance bars etc) ? ----- Original Message ----- From: " Idol " <Idol@...> < > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Re: PROTEIN POWDER? > Jen- > > >~is it ok to make protein drink if I add highly saturated fat such as > >coconut oil etc > > There are two problems with that. First, while you'd be adding a fat, the > protein would still be missing the vast array of nutrients and compounds > that are found in actual food but not in isolated powders. Second, the > processing of the protein to yield the purified powder damages the powder > rendering it harmful and unfit for consumption. There may be a couple > protein isolates out there that are processed without high temperatures or > pressures, so perhaps small quantities of those would be OK, but I'm not > sure I see the point. Why not just eat more meat, or more milk, or more > cheese, or whatever, to get more protein? > > > > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 speaking of egg powders.. what does everyone think about this~ http://GetHealthy.at/Once (ABC TV News & Other Videos - VIEW THIS FIRST) http://www.iwr.com/biochoice/testimonies.htm (Testimonials - Do Not Follow Links Off This Page!) http://www.captcass.com/immunity1.htm ( " Immune Perspectives " Independent Article) http://www.legacyuplinesupport.com (Tons of audios!) http://www.hyperimmuneegg.org (Clinical Trials and much more!) http://www.legacyforlife.net (Corporate Site) http://www.biochoicestory.com/opportunity.htm (Why this is a fantastic business opportunity) http://www.mylegacyforlife.net/getimmune (ORDER HERE) http://lvngwell.tripod.com/disease.html (List of Immune Related Diseases - Are You In Here?) Audio presentation by " Zane Pilzer " .: Side A http://www.cell-defense.com/audio/nextril-a.ram Side B http://www.cell-defense.com/audio/nextril-b.ram ----- Original Message ----- From: " Judith Alta " <jaltak@...> < > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: RE: PROTEIN POWDER? > I agree with . > > It was studies done on powdered eggs, not fresh whole eggs, that helped get > the low-fat movement going. > Judith Alta Kidder > Southwest Michigan > jaltak@... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Jen- > > >~is it ok to make protein drink if I add highly saturated fat such as > >coconut oil etc > > There are two problems with that. First, while you'd be adding a fat, the > protein would still be missing the vast array of nutrients and compounds > that are found in actual food but not in isolated powders. Second, the > processing of the protein to yield the purified powder damages the powder > rendering it harmful and unfit for consumption. There may be a couple > protein isolates out there that are processed without high temperatures or > pressures, so perhaps small quantities of those would be OK, but I'm not > sure I see the point. Why not just eat more meat, or more milk, or more > cheese, or whatever, to get more protein? > > > > > - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 Donna- >But, I was wondering if you could post a clear and precise post on the >down falls of protein powders so I could forward it to this lady. If you >have the time or energy. Well, protein powders have been found to cause bone demineralization. That by itself should be more than adequate reason to avoid them like the plague. (In fact, the studies that are touted as proving that eating meat causes osteoporosis actually used those powders.) - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 To or who ever is qualified. I am on another list where a person with cfs finds themself in the position of needing to eat meat all day and even during the night. I had similar symptoms when I first became ill with cfs. Anyway, others on the group are recommending she do protein powders. I know from personal experience that my body does not benefit from protein powders and they are a waste of time and will not likely work for her. But, I was wondering if you could post a clear and precise post on the down falls of protein powders so I could forward it to this lady. If you have the time or energy. Thanks Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: Idol Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Re: PROTEIN POWDER? Jen- >~is it ok to make protein drink if I add highly saturated fat such as >coconut oil etc There are two problems with that. First, while you'd be adding a fat, the protein would still be missing the vast array of nutrients and compounds that are found in actual food but not in isolated powders. Second, the processing of the protein to yield the purified powder damages the powder rendering it harmful and unfit for consumption. There may be a couple protein isolates out there that are processed without high temperatures or pressures, so perhaps small quantities of those would be OK, but I'm not sure I see the point. Why not just eat more meat, or more milk, or more cheese, or whatever, to get more protein? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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