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>>For those who regularly keep up with research,

Where is a good place to look for scientific studies on nutrition? Can this

be done online, and, can it be done for free, rather than on a database that

membership is needed for?

----->chris, here's one online source where you can view abstracts for free:

http://www.nutrition.org/

And here's a page full of links to online nutrition journals from around the

world. most should at least provide free abstracts:

http://www-sci.lib.uci.edu/HSG/Nutrition.html#PP3-N-ALL

Suze Fisher

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On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:22:58 EST, <ChrisMasterjohn@...> wrote:

> For those who regularly keep up with research,

> Where is a good place to look for scientific studies on nutrition?

A great starting place would be a scientifically-oriented company like RJR-

Nabisco. They have a huge resevoir of scientific peer-reviewed articles

that prove just how healthy smoking tobacco is for the ordinary human.

Another place to examine might be the Monsanto database where they prove,

quite conclusivily I imagine, that toxic chemical agricultural sprays

actually enhance human health.

Or, you may want to get in touch with Mcs as I understand they have

many, many scientific papers (peer-reveiwed of course) that prove their

fast food is the key to strong bodies, long life, and superb health.

I would stay away from sources like the Journal of the American Medical

Association as I understand the editors took a survey several years ago

wherein 40% of the scientists submitting papers admitted they took

gratuities from the makers of whatever drug they were reporting on.

There are certainly many more sources of " scientific " studies than I have

mentioned. I understand a fairly good summary is given in a recent book,

" Toxic Sludge Is Good For You. "

http://www.commoncouragepress.com/rampton_sludge.html

> Can this be done online, and, can it be done for free, rather than on a

> database that membership is needed for? While I would like to just keep

> up with new research, I am even more interested in being able to do a

> general search and find lots of information, from studies or abstracts

> rather than someone else's interpretation of such.

As you may have surmised, I don't trust " scientific " papers. There is too

much chicanery in the field. Just think back to the 40 year campaign to

malign butter and BS us into buying all those crappy butter imitations.

There must have been hundreds, if not thousands, of " scientific " papers

proving that we should eat such junk. " Scientific " research is a nest of

liars. Stay with people like Professor Albrecht and you'll have a chance

at finding truth.

Regards,

Rex Harrill

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If anyone wants a real giggle they can go to and subscribe to

the Quackbusters email list. Of the six or so who post regularly there is

not an original thought among them. If it hasn't been " proven " in an

" evidence based " study and published in a peer-reviewed journal and PubMed

it doesn't exist.

If anyone is silly enough to join this bunch let me know and I'll re-sub and

help you harass them.

Not one of them can take an over-all look at the picture and make a decision

of their own. When I posted links to well referenced articles they screamed

and yelled because " I " did not post references. I just told them that, in

case they hadn't noticed, the article was well referenced and there was no

need for me to recreate the wheel.

I would get them going by telling them that my studies were what I saw

around me in everyday life. Especially the low-fat diet. I have had to sit

by helplessly and watch friends and family members fade away and die after

their doctors " laid down the law " and told them to go on the " healthy " diet

or else!

Enjoy! ;-)

Judith Alta

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On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:22:58 EST, <ChrisMasterjohn@...> wrote:

> For those who regularly keep up with research,

> Where is a good place to look for scientific studies on nutrition?

A great starting place would be a scientifically-oriented company like RJR-

Nabisco. They have a huge resevoir of scientific peer-reviewed articles

that prove just how healthy smoking tobacco is for the ordinary human.

Another place to examine might be the Monsanto database where they prove,

quite conclusivily I imagine, that toxic chemical agricultural sprays

actually enhance human health.

Or, you may want to get in touch with Mcs as I understand they have

many, many scientific papers (peer-reveiwed of course) that prove their

fast food is the key to strong bodies, long life, and superb health.

I would stay away from sources like the Journal of the American Medical

Association as I understand the editors took a survey several years ago

wherein 40% of the scientists submitting papers admitted they took

gratuities from the makers of whatever drug they were reporting on.

There are certainly many more sources of " scientific " studies than I have

mentioned. I understand a fairly good summary is given in a recent book,

" Toxic Sludge Is Good For You. "

http://www.commoncouragepress.com/rampton_sludge.html

> Can this be done online, and, can it be done for free, rather than on a

> database that membership is needed for? While I would like to just keep

> up with new research, I am even more interested in being able to do a

> general search and find lots of information, from studies or abstracts

> rather than someone else's interpretation of such.

As you may have surmised, I don't trust " scientific " papers. There is too

much chicanery in the field. Just think back to the 40 year campaign to

malign butter and BS us into buying all those crappy butter imitations.

There must have been hundreds, if not thousands, of " scientific " papers

proving that we should eat such junk. " Scientific " research is a nest of

liars. Stay with people like Professor Albrecht and you'll have a chance

at finding truth.

Regards,

Rex Harrill

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Rex,

Funny :0)

But, nutrition isn't a religion to me, and I'm not interested in finding the

" truth " by " following " a given professor.

I understand there is a lot of sludge to wade through in scientific literature,

but the alternative following personalities instead of evidence.

Dr. Mercola cites JAMA all the time; it seems like a useful reference to me.

In any case, thanks to you and Suze for responding.

Chris

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Forgive my sarcasm but why don't you just make up your own

like most publications ;-)

DMM

> For those who regularly keep up with research,

>

> Where is a good place to look for scientific studies on

nutrition? Can this

> be done online, and, can it be done for free, rather than on a

database that

> membership is needed for? While I would like to just keep up with

new

> research, I am even more interested in being able to do a general

search and

> find lots of information, from studies or abstracts rather than

someone

> else's interpretation of such.

>

> Greatful for any info ye might have,

> Chris

>

> ____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion?

It is a

> heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings,

birds, and

> animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the

sight of

> them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and

intense

> compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them

unable to

> bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any

creature.

> Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for

enemies of the

> truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

>

> --Saint Isaac the Syrian

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> Chris

> *busy writing his own bs study so he can read it later*

Please make certain to share it with us after you finish!

Make sure its something good though, like a cure for personality

defects or bad hair or maybe bad taste even.

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> > Chris

> > *busy writing his own bs study so he can read it later*

>

> Please make certain to share it with us after you finish!

> Make sure its something good though, like a cure for personality

> defects or bad hair or maybe bad taste even.

<><><<><><><>And illogical reasoning or failure to get the point!

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> > > Chris

> > > *busy writing his own bs study so he can read it later*

> >

> > Please make certain to share it with us after you finish!

> > Make sure its something good though, like a cure for

personality

> > defects or bad hair or maybe bad taste even.

>

>

> <><><<><><><>And illogical reasoning or failure to get the

point!

Or how about a cure for stupidity and laziness, which seem to

govern so many lives! (Yes, I'm fed up with humanity.)

Aubin

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> > > > Chris

> > > > *busy writing his own bs study so he can read it later*

> > >

> > > Please make certain to share it with us after you finish!

> > > Make sure its something good though, like a cure for

> personality

> > > defects or bad hair or maybe bad taste even.

> >

> >

> > <><><<><><><>And illogical reasoning or failure to get the

> point!

>

> Or how about a cure for stupidity and laziness, which seem to

> govern so many lives! (Yes, I'm fed up with humanity.)

>

> Aubin

<><>>>>>><>Hey Aubin, I wasn't talking about all of humanity. I

was " sort of " referring to myself as some have indicated these (lack

of analytical rigor and failure to follow the debate) as my personal

traits. But I still don't think Mr Bush has proven we need to bomb

Iraq. BTW, I'm praying for the queendom(kingdom). Dennis

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At great peril I am replying to this one brandon. But since this is

a thread of humor I figured I'd risk it.

I didn't vote for 'em either, but considering the state of things,

it wouldn't be much different if we'd have elected kc and the

sunshine band or sloopy (from the song " hang on sloopy " ) or any

other modern day politico for that matter. ;-)

--- In , Berg <bberg@c...>

wrote:

> Quoting " aubinparrish <aubinparrish@y...> " <aubinparrish@y...>:

>

> > Or how about a cure for stupidity and laziness, which seem to

> > govern so many lives!

>

> Don't blame me--I didn't vote for them!

>

> --

> Berg

> bberg@c...

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Its not?

> In a message dated 2/14/03 10:27:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> dkemnitz2000@y... writes:

>

> > <><>>>>>><>Hey Aubin, I wasn't talking about all of humanity. I

> > was " sort of " referring to myself as some have indicated these

(lack

> > of analytical rigor and failure to follow the debate) as my

personal

> > traits. But I still don't think Mr Bush has proven we need to

bomb

> > Iraq. BTW, I'm praying for the queendom(kingdom). Dennis

>

> I was informed at open mic poetry last Wednesday that the war in

Iraq is my

> fault because I eat meat. *rolls eyes*

>

> Chris

>

> ____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion?

It is a

> heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings,

birds, and

> animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the

sight of

> them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and

intense

> compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them

unable to

> bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any

creature.

> Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for

enemies of the

> truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

>

> --Saint Isaac the Syrian

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>

> <><>>>>>><>Hey Aubin, I wasn't talking about all of humanity. I

> was " sort of " referring to myself as some have indicated these

(lack

> of analytical rigor and failure to follow the debate) as my

personal

> traits. But I still don't think Mr Bush has proven we need to

bomb

> Iraq. BTW, I'm praying for the queendom(kingdom). Dennis

Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word " govern " . I wasn't

speaking in a political sense specifically, it wasn't my intention to

bring that up, and I wasn't clued in to any disucssion about your

above-mentioned " personal traits " ;-) (don't have time to read the

whole list). I was just griping because we (my family) seem

lately to be surrounded by people who are lazy, stupid, or both,

who won't do the jobs they're being paid for, lie about it, and then

try to blame it on someone else (are these kind of people

attracted in disproportionate numbers to the real estate finance

and construction business?). As for politics, I didn't vote for 'em

either. In fact, I don't think I voted for anyone that's currently in

office, with one exception, but I'm obviously an oddball. Anyway, I

don't think this is the place to discuss politics except as it relates

to nutrition.

Aubin

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