Re: Pregnancy diet

[Guest guest]

As far as I know, because parasites are a concern, they take

nutrients away from the mother and baby. And bacterial contamination.

I didn't know that goat cheese was an issue. Blue cheeses and soft

cheeses " should " be avoided, because blue cheese contains penicillin

mold and soft cheeses are more often contaminated than hard cheeses

(according to studies).

> Why exactly do drs warn against eating raw meat and fish during

pregnancy? Is this bs, or is there something to worry about? Also,

what's with the no goat cheese?

>

> Just curious (and not pregnant),

>

>

> ( other foods I'm eating - oh boy, if I told any of my dr's

they'd

> freak out...) are raw fish and meats. ( as prepared in NT) I've

even

> eaten some raw oysters, because everything else that restaurant

had

> was deep fried...I'm just hoping, my baby won't come out a

> freak...all I do feels very counterproductive..no peace of mind

> really ;-)

>

>

[Guest guest]

When you are pregnant your immune system is somewhat suppressed so that

your body does not reject the foetus so you are supposedly more suseptable

to illness.

When I was pregnant, I didn't eat raw meat or fish but I did eat raw eggs,

milk and butter. I asked my obstetrician about the concern over salmonella.

He said that the diahrea from salmonella can cause dehydration and they

would need to treat that because dehydration in the mother is bad for the

baby. I decided it was not that great a risk and ate the stuff anyway. I

never had a problem and delivered a very healthy baby who is now 9 1/2

months old.

Irene

At 12:34 PM 2/14/03, you wrote:

>Why exactly do drs warn against eating raw meat and fish during

>pregnancy? Is this bs, or is there something to worry about? Also,

>what's with the no goat cheese?

>

>Just curious (and not pregnant),

>

>

> ( other foods I'm eating - oh boy, if I told any of my dr's they'd

> freak out...) are raw fish and meats. ( as prepared in NT) I've even

> eaten some raw oysters, because everything else that restaurant had

> was deep fried...I'm just hoping, my baby won't come out a

> freak...all I do feels very counterproductive..no peace of mind

> really ;-)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Irene:

> When you are pregnant your immune system is somewhat suppressed so that

> your body does not reject the foetus so you are supposedly more suseptable

> to illness.

I've heard that, too, and it does make sense. But at the same time, I've

heard that it's common for the white count to be elevated during pregnancy.

I know mine was, and I was told that that was normal for pregnant women. I

wonder how that fits in.

Marla

[Guest guest]

,

These are all regarding contamination with pathogens

ranging from salmonella to ecoli, etc... At a restaunt some

of these warnings might be a worthy concern simply because source

and hygiene are unknown. Provided source and hygiene are known and

good then your peace of mind should be high. Its not that there is

some toxin or poison that's bad for the child " they " are concerned

about the contamination issues mentioned above. Provided you are

willing to be the person accountable for the outcome (and not blame

the preparers or the recommendation) be it good or bad you should be

eating what YOU know to be best.

DMM

www.cedarcanyonclinic.com

> Why exactly do drs warn against eating raw meat and fish during

pregnancy? Is this bs, or is there something to worry about? Also,

what's with the no goat cheese?

>

> Just curious (and not pregnant),

>

>

> ( other foods I'm eating - oh boy, if I told any of my dr's

they'd

> freak out...) are raw fish and meats. ( as prepared in NT) I've

even

> eaten some raw oysters, because everything else that restaurant

had

> was deep fried...I'm just hoping, my baby won't come out a

> freak...all I do feels very counterproductive..no peace of mind

> really ;-)

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > Why exactly do drs warn against eating raw meat and fish during

>pregnancy? Is this bs, or is there something to worry about? Also,

>what's with the no goat cheese?

I was told it was because of listeria. You can get a listeria

infection which does not necessarily hurt the Mom, but it does

hurt the baby. It is getting more common for some reason (maybe

because so many people have messed up gut flora?). See below.

But most soft cheese are pasteurized.

http://www.babycenter.com/expert/pregnancy/pregnancynutrition/3175.html?CP_bid=

Jill Stovsky: Unpasteurized soft cheeses (and other unpasteurized dairy

products) can carry a potentially deadly bacteria called listeria

monocytogenes. Although cases of listeria infection are rare, the illness

strikes more people each year.

In healthy adults, infection with listeria can cause a short-lived flulike

illness. Pregnant women, however, can be hit harder by listeria infection,

for the same reason they are more susceptible to everything during

pregnancy: The immune system isn't working as well.

Scientists now believe there may be link between listeria infection and

miscarriages and stillbirths. Babies born to mothers infected during

pregnancy can have trouble breathing, low body temperature, and other

problems. Some who seem healthy at birth can have symptoms weeks later,

such as feeding problems and fever. And recent research suggests that

listeria infection is the third most common cause of septicemia (blood

poisoning) and meningitis in newborns. The organism can also be dangerous

to small children, the elderly, and people with weakened immune systems.

Symptoms usually develop several weeks after exposure to the bacteria. They

sometimes, but not always, include fever, chills, muscle aches, and back

pain. The incubation period before the illness develops can be as long as

ten weeks, which can make it hard to pinpoint exactly which food made you

sick. Doctors diagnose a fever or flulike illness as listeria infection by

swabbing a sample from your vagina and cervix and checking your blood.

Antibiotics will treat the infection. Newborns can also be tested and treated.

Cheeses made in the United States must be made from pasteurized milk

(pasteurization kills the listeria organism), so those are fairly safe.

Imported soft cheeses are another story. These may include Brie, Camembert,

feta, goat, Limburger, Montrachet, Neufchatel, queso fresco, and

Pont-Leveque. Listeria may also be found in unpasteurized semi-soft cheeses

(slightly more solid cheeses that do not grate easily and are often coated

with wax to preserve moisture and extend shelf life). Semi-soft cheeses

include Asiago, Belle Paese, bleu, brick, Gorgonzola, Havarti, Muenster,

Port-Salut, Roquefort, and Taleggio. Listeria is not found in hard cheeses

such as Cheddar, or in processed cheeses such as cottage cheese, or in yogurt.

• Editor's Note: Imported cheeses made from raw (unpasteurized) milk must

be aged for 60 days, a process which should eliminate any potentially

dangerous bacteria. Nevertheless, the American College of Obstetricians and

Gynecologists and the Food and Drug Administratian both advise pregnant

women against eating unpasteurized soft and semi-soft cheeses.

> Back to Nutrition During Pregnancy

Heidi S

[Guest guest]

---I just did a search on Listeria spp. to find out what temp

destroys 100% of Listeria spp in raw milk but could not find it. Did

find a Listeria group @. Dennis

In , Heidi Schuppenhauer

<heidis@t...> wrote:

>

> > > Why exactly do drs warn against eating raw meat and fish during

> >pregnancy? Is this bs, or is there something to worry about?

Also,

> >what's with the no goat cheese?

>

> I was told it was because of listeria. You can get a listeria

> infection which does not necessarily hurt the Mom, but it does

> hurt the baby. It is getting more common for some reason (maybe

> because so many people have messed up gut flora?). See below.

> But most soft cheese are pasteurized.

>

>

http://www.babycenter.com/expert/pregnancy/pregnancynutrition/3175.htm

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>

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[Guest guest]

It always strikes me as amazing that the fetus can develop in the

first trimester when often the mother is so nauseous she can hardly

keep anything down. And that's supposed to be a good sign! I guess

that points to the wisdom of the traditional cultures Prices

discovered that had special diets for young married couples and women

trying to become pregnant: the fetus will have a good supply of

nutrients in the mom's body to draw upon if she's been well-nourished

all along. Good for you for finding WAPF in good time!

Jeanmarie

On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Amy Sikes-Dorman wrote:

>

> After the first trimester (when I could just about only eat cheerios

> and potato chips- ugh), I did try to eat mostly WAPF.

>

> ....And never ask a mom for pictures of her child without being

> prepared to get them. These are older (mostly) but I only had time

> to load a couple.http://audreysd.shutterfly.com/

>

>

> From: jaytee3@...

> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:31:17 -0700

> Subject: Re: fat percentage of diet

>

> Sounds wonderful. Thanks for sharing. Were you eating WAP-style during

>

> your pregnancy? You should share baby photos in Wise Traditions! I

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I often wonder if morning sickness was the standard in native cultures. I

didn't have much of it at all. I did have to be very particular with the

digestibility of what I ate (I needed more carbs and sugars than usual), as

well as how much (or how little) I ate and how frequently I ate.

The only thing guarenteed to give me nausea was the smell of cooking beef.

Even if it was cooked while I was at work (as many as 4 hours prior) the

smell of it when I got home would make me gag.

Oh yeah, and not waking up for a midnight snack or two. Can't tell you

how many times I was sitting up in bed eating in the night. If I wouldn't

wake up to eat, I'd be so sick in the morning I couldn't eat, then I'd have

to wait till I slept and woke up again to be able to eat. Bleh.

That said, I was on a very healthy diet for the year prior to my conception

thanks to recovering from mercury poisoning.

-Lana

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3@...> wrote:

> It always strikes me as amazing that the fetus can develop in the

> first trimester when often the mother is so nauseous she can hardly

> keep anything down. And that's supposed to be a good sign! I guess

> that points to the wisdom of the traditional cultures Prices

> discovered that had special diets for young married couples and women

> trying to become pregnant: the fetus will have a good supply of

> nutrients in the mom's body to draw upon if she's been well-nourished

> all along. Good for you for finding WAPF in good time!

> Jeanmarie

[Guest guest]

" I often wonder if morning sickness was the standard in native cultures "

That's a very good question. In our society we've become used to the

idea that pregnant women should experience morning sickness,

menstruating women should have cramps, and menopausal women should

have hot flashes and be unable to sleep. I learned long ago from the

Endometriosis Association that painful cramps are NOT normal, people

writing about menopause and bio-identical hormones (or Royal Maca etc)

now say hot flashes aren't normal. I don't remember in Price's work

reading about native women having morning sickness. Sufficient fat and

Vitamin A definitely have a bearing on reproductive health; that may

be the case for morning sickness as well. Perhaps it's another example

of unwellness that has become accepted as the norm, just because most

of the population is malnourished.

Jeanmarie

On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Lana Gibbons wrote:

> I often wonder if morning sickness was the standard in native

> cultures. I

> didn't have much of it at all. I did have to be very particular with

> the

> digestibility of what I ate (I needed more carbs and sugars than

> usual), as

> well as how much (or how little) I ate and how frequently I ate.

>

> The only thing guarenteed to give me nausea was the smell of cooking

> beef.

> Even if it was cooked while I was at work (as many as 4 hours prior)

> the

> smell of it when I got home would make me gag.

>

> Oh yeah, and not waking up for a midnight snack or two. Can't

> tell you

> how many times I was sitting up in bed eating in the night. If I

> wouldn't

> wake up to eat, I'd be so sick in the morning I couldn't eat, then

> I'd have

> to wait till I slept and woke up again to be able to eat. Bleh.

>

> That said, I was on a very healthy diet for the year prior to my

> conception

> thanks to recovering from mercury poisoning.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can¹t find the source ­ I wish I had kept it ­ but I read somewhere that

morning sickness is caused by a certain bacteria strain in the stomach. A

study was done and women given an antibiotic to kill the bacteria had no

morning sickness. For what it¹s worth I never had a single day of morning

sickness and so not everyone gets it.

Great subject. Thanks for bringing it up.

On 8/11/09 3:19 PM, " Jeanmarie Todd " <jaytee3@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> " I often wonder if morning sickness was the standard in native cultures "

> That's a very good question. In our society we've become used to the

> idea that pregnant women should experience morning sickness,

> menstruating women should have cramps, and menopausal women should

> have hot flashes and be unable to sleep. I learned long ago from the

> Endometriosis Association that painful cramps are NOT normal, people

> writing about menopause and bio-identical hormones (or Royal Maca etc)

> now say hot flashes aren't normal. I don't remember in Price's work

> reading about native women having morning sickness. Sufficient fat and

> Vitamin A definitely have a bearing on reproductive health; that may

> be the case for morning sickness as well. Perhaps it's another example

> of unwellness that has become accepted as the norm, just because most

> of the population is malnourished.

> Jeanmarie

>

> On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Lana Gibbons wrote:

>

>> > I often wonder if morning sickness was the standard in native

>> > cultures. I

>> > didn't have much of it at all. I did have to be very particular with

>> > the

>> > digestibility of what I ate (I needed more carbs and sugars than

>> > usual), as

>> > well as how much (or how little) I ate and how frequently I ate.

>> >

>> > The only thing guarenteed to give me nausea was the smell of cooking

>> > beef.

>> > Even if it was cooked while I was at work (as many as 4 hours prior)

>> > the

>> > smell of it when I got home would make me gag.

>> >

>> > Oh yeah, and not waking up for a midnight snack or two. Can't

>> > tell you

>> > how many times I was sitting up in bed eating in the night. If I

>> > wouldn't

>> > wake up to eat, I'd be so sick in the morning I couldn't eat, then

>> > I'd have

>> > to wait till I slept and woke up again to be able to eat. Bleh.

>> >

>> > That said, I was on a very healthy diet for the year prior to my

>> > conception

>> > thanks to recovering from mercury poisoning.

>> >

>> >

>

>