Thanks to all

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In a message dated 6/29/2004 4:23:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

corkdood2004@... writes:

I've been thinking about having chicken in the morning - I don't

think I could face beef at that hour.

You will. Give it time.

[Guest guest]

I didn't need to lose any weight when I started doing the O diet 2-3

years ago and I haven't lost much weight during this time. I eat as

much as I want. If I get hungry I eat something.

Since you mentioned digestive system problems as a reason for trying

this diet I would strive to substantially cut back on the grains. In

fact, I suggest that you work towards eliminating grains entirely for

at least a couple of weeks, preferably until your digestive system

settles down, then try reintroducing one grain at a time. You may be

surprised to find that some, or maybe all, of the grains cause you

digestive system problems.

I avoid eating grains as much as possible because they cause me

trouble. I do occasionally have some grains and I usually can tell I

did the next day.

Don

O- secretor

> Thanks to everyone who replied to my message. Wow looks like I

have

> a lot to learn about changing my diet. I thought I could get away

> with changing my grains but it seems that I'll have to virtually

> eliminate them.

> One thing I should mention is that I do not need to lose any

weight -

> is the weight going to fall off me when I give up the grains?

[Guest guest]

The fear I have about cutting out grains is that this diet is turning

into Atkins which is something i have a lot of reservations about.

You have it wrong - cutting out grains would turn you into a much

healthier person. Grain is more addictive than anything I have seen.

Even if you don't have to loose weight, your body will eliminate excess

fat and will replace it with muscle tissue. Asuuming that you eat a high

protein diet with lots of greens, fats, and some fruits.

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Thanks to all

Thanks to everyone who replied to my message. Wow looks like I have

a lot to learn about changing my diet. I thought I could get away

with changing my grains but it seems that I'll have to virtually

eliminate them.

I've been thinking about having chicken in the morning - I don't

think I could face beef at that hour. I enjoy all kinds of fruit

(but eliminate oranges)

The fear I have about cutting out grains is that this diet is turning

into Atkins which is something i have a lot of reservations about.

I suppose there is carbohydrate in the frut and veg though.

My other limitation is self imposed I guess in that I don't like fish

but I will get around it somehow.

My biggest problem will be what to have for lunch as I eat lunch in

work.

One thing I should mention is that I do not need to lose any weight -

is the weight going to fall off me when I give up the grains?

I get fair amount of exercise - half an hour a day daily walk and an

hour long weight lifting session three times a week

I know the protein is very important for that so this change of diet

can only help.

Thanks for your support and advice - I'll keep you all updated.

[Guest guest]

I have your same concern that this sometimes looks like the Atkins

group, but protein is very important, some opinions of mine:

-Protein is important, but emphasize lean meats

-Fats should come primarily from beneficial nuts and oils

-Ghee or butter is good, but not slathered on everything, a couple of

teaspoons a day of ghee is recommended in one of the protocols,

probably for colon health

-Some grains OK if weight loss or diabetes not a concern, but you

don't need a grain with every meal, 1 grain serving per day and maybe

a starchy vegetable like sweet potatoes, parsnips or turnips with

another meal would be a good target

-You can still have a grainy breakfast, but supplement soy, almond or

rice milk with Type O or egg white protein

-This is not low carb because you eat plenty of fruit and fruit juice

and vegetables, it's probably moderate carb

-If you're a non-secretor, then you start looking more Atkins, much

less grain and even fruit, more protein, sorry I haven't followed

your whole stream, don't know if you're non-secretor

Good luck,

Cheryl

-

> Thanks to everyone who replied to my message. Wow looks like I

have

> a lot to learn about changing my diet. I thought I could get away

> with changing my grains but it seems that I'll have to virtually

> eliminate them.

>

> I've been thinking about having chicken in the morning - I don't

> think I could face beef at that hour. I enjoy all kinds of fruit

> (but eliminate oranges)

>

> The fear I have about cutting out grains is that this diet is

turning

> into Atkins which is something i have a lot of reservations

about.

>

> I suppose there is carbohydrate in the frut and veg though.

>

> My other limitation is self imposed I guess in that I don't like

fish

> but I will get around it somehow.

>

> My biggest problem will be what to have for lunch as I eat lunch in

> work.

>

> One thing I should mention is that I do not need to lose any

weight -

> is the weight going to fall off me when I give up the grains?

>

> I get fair amount of exercise - half an hour a day daily walk and

an

> hour long weight lifting session three times a week

>

> I know the protein is very important for that so this change of

diet

> can only help.

>

> Thanks for your support and advice - I'll keep you all updated.

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 6/29/2004 4:23:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> corkdood2004@y... writes:

> I've been thinking about having chicken in the morning - I don't

> think I could face beef at that hour.

>

> You will. Give it time.

>

I agree. Now I prefer it and look forward to it.

[Guest guest]

<< -This is not low carb because you eat plenty of fruit and fruit juice and

vegetables, it's probably moderate carb >>

That's the ticket!! You want to eat LOTS and LOTS of vegetables along with that

protein!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/29/2004 11:44:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cherylhcmba@... writes:

-Protein is important, but emphasize lean meats

Why? Well marbled meat is delicious and healthy.

[Guest guest]

When I have to buy std grain fed store bought meat I try to go with

the leaner cuts. Fats are where more of the toxins are found.

With the naturally raised grass fed beef that I order I don't worry

about how lean the cuts are. In that case I hope any extra fat has

more beneficial CLA, Omega-3, and vitamin E.

Don

> In a message dated 6/29/2004 11:44:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> cherylhcmba@y... writes:

> -Protein is important, but emphasize lean meats

> Why? Well marbled meat is delicious and healthy.

[Guest guest]

It's what Dr. D'Adamo recommends, corn fed beef is fattier, grass fed

beef is leaner. That said, I'm sure not eating grass fed beef very

often and from the looks of my blood work more fat wouldn't hurt.

But I think for someone starting out you go with the guidelines then

find your personal limits. I was very low fat semi-vegetarian before

BTD so more cautious in adding beef and fat. If you're starting out

higher fat and know that's OK less caution is probably needed.

That's what I like about BTD, you can individualize for yourself.

I have beef 6 times a week and 4-6 whole eggs a week. As of June 10

my total cholesterol was 166, HDL 66, LDL 83, triglycerides 87 and

fasting glucose 77. Everything else normal too. Not bad for a fat

old girl (still in the obese range, but down 64 pounds from max, I

used to be morbidly obese).

> In a message dated 6/29/2004 11:44:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> cherylhcmba@y... writes:

> -Protein is important, but emphasize lean meats

> Why? Well marbled meat is delicious and healthy.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maddviking@... wrote:

>In a message dated 6/29/2004 11:44:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>cherylhcmba@... writes:

>-Protein is important, but emphasize lean meats

>Why? Well marbled meat is delicious and healthy.

It seems that grains cause the cholesterol to rise, not fats.

I have always eaten a lot of red meat (steaks cooked with fat altho I

don't eat the large fat around the edges, I just cut it off) and

my lab work has always come back very good.

^. .^ ~

" There are many paths to enlightenment. Be sure to take one with a heart. "

~ Lao Tzu ~

[Guest guest]

cherylhcmba wrote:

>It's what Dr. D'Adamo recommends, corn fed beef is fattier, grass fed

>beef is leaner.

This sounds like metaphysics, but I am rather allergic to corn and the

corn-fed beef has never agreed with me much, hence I try to

find grass fed.

^. .^ ~

" There are many paths to enlightenment. Be sure to take one with a heart. "

~ Lao Tzu ~

[Guest guest]

Good. It's much better for you.

Re: Thanks to all

> cherylhcmba wrote:

> >It's what Dr. D'Adamo recommends, corn fed beef is fattier, grass fed

> >beef is leaner.

>

> This sounds like metaphysics, but I am rather allergic to corn and the

> corn-fed beef has never agreed with me much, hence I try to

> find grass fed.

>

>

>

> ^. .^ ~

>

> " There are many paths to enlightenment. Be sure to take one with a

heart. "

>

> ~ Lao Tzu ~

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>Cat wrote:

This sounds like metaphysics, but I am rather allergic to corn and the

corn-fed beef has never agreed with me much, hence I try to find

grass fed.

^. .^  ~

-------------------------------------------------

Dr Dadamo answered a query once about corn-fed beef. If I remember

right, he said the corn cattle were fed does not affect us when

consuming meat produced.

[Guest guest]

I don't think it's the corn lectin that's the problem. It's that the

corn fattens up the cows just like it fattens up us. Don't know that

much about ranching, (JOY HELP), but I think corn fed cows are

maintained in a more confined area, so also less exercise, another

reason meat is more fatty. Hormones and antibiotics are also

probably more likely to be used in corn fed beef. All those things

make it cheaper to raise corn fed beef. The hormones and antibiotics

are probably a bigger issue than the fat, but I still go for healthy

fats from nuts, seeds and olive oil and less fat from lean meats.

> This sounds like metaphysics, but I am rather allergic to corn and

the

> corn-fed beef has never agreed with me much, hence I try to

find

> grass fed.

> ^. .^  ~

>

> -------------------------------------------------

> Dr Dadamo answered a query once about corn-fed beef. If I remember

> right, he said the corn cattle were fed does not affect us when

> consuming meat produced.

[Guest guest]

cherylhcmba wrote:

>I don't think it's the corn lectin that's the problem. It's that the

>corn fattens up the cows just like it fattens up us. Don't know that

>much about ranching, (JOY HELP), but I think corn fed cows are

>maintained in a more confined area, so also less exercise, another

>reason meat is more fatty. Hormones and antibiotics are also

>probably more likely to be used in corn fed beef. All those things

>make it cheaper to raise corn fed beef. The hormones and antibiotics

>are probably a bigger issue than the fat, but I still go for healthy

>fats from nuts, seeds and olive oil and less fat from lean meats.

corn-fed beef is supposed to be organic with no additives, etc.

At least that is what it is advertised as.

I have tired that meat several times, and the freshness wasn't the

issue because I am particularly sensitive to meat that is not fresh.

There is something else about that meat that just does not agree

with me at some subtle level so I do not eat it any more.

Plenty of other things to get instead. :-)

Cheers, Cat

^. .^ ~

" Obstacles are my stepping stones ! "

~

[Guest guest]

Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:26:42 -0000

From: " Don " <ironwood55@...>

Subject: Re: Thanks to all

> In a message dated 6/29/2004 4:23:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> corkdood2004@y... writes:

> I've been thinking about having chicken in the morning - I don't

> think I could face beef at that hour.

>

> You will. Give it time.

>

I agree. Now I prefer it and look forward to it.

~~ Yeah!!!!

" The Path of Peace is exceedingly vast, reflecting the grand design of the

hidden and manifest worlds. A warrior is a living shrine of the divine, one who

serves that grand purpose. "

-Ueshiba

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Excellent history of your treatment. Thanks.

Gordon

bettie grant <bettiejgrant@...> wrote:

What a joy to receive notes of congratulations from so many of you upon the

report of my remission from this interesting disease. Thank you - every one. At

the request of some, here is my treatment history:

July, 2002 - August, 2002: investigation of swollen lymph node on neck

(aspiration, then finally node removal and biopsy)

Results reported locally: mantle cell lymphoma

I asked for a second opinion, which my oncologist supported, from M. D

Clinic in Houston because they were the ones who saw the most of that kind of

cancer and had developed a treatment protocol.

I had no other symptoms - no night sweats, no weight loss, no fatigue - nothing.

Felt normal.

Went to MD with lots of prayer support from all quarters and with our

older daughter and our son, both of whom were prepared to put their lives on

hold while I received six months of treatment in Houston - leaving our other

daughter to look after my husband here in Tallahassee.

The doctor at MD ordered further tests, including the FISH test, and it

was discovered that I did NOT have mantle cell lymphoma but had stage IV small

lymphocytic lymphoma instead.

At my request, he agreed that I could participate in a clinical trial there

involving removing a node and using it to prepare a " heat shock protein " vaccine

for me - the approach that makes the most sense to me (helping your own body do

what it is designed to do - protect you from illness). So in December, our son

drove me to Houston once a week to get the vaccine (given by a subcutaneous shot

in both arms). No side effects, but in January the CT scan showed some

progression, particularly of one node that could affect the ureter, so my doctor

pulled me from the trial (over the objections of the trial administrator - who

did not think I was in any danger!)

Then, at my request, we tried the Rituxan alone treatment (which I could get

here in town): Rituxan once a week for four weeks every six months for two

years. The first treatment caused my blood pressure to drop and my heart to

slow, and I also got hives. But all of those things were taken care of, and with

each subsequent treatment I was medicated to prevent a reoccurrence. After three

rounds (a year and a half), I was back in Houston for a checkup. Unfortunately,

the disease was progressing - slightly but definitely.

I did not qualify for any clinical trials that were going at MD, so,

reluctantly, I decided to try the fludarabine plus cytoxan plus Rituxan that my

doctor there said they were using with some good success. Figured if I could do

that and knock the disease back to a minimal level, then I could try another

trial of some kind - which would have a better chance of succeeding if it didn't

have a huge tumor burden to fight. The doctor said that even though I did not

respond to the Rituxan alone, it works synergistically with the F and C for

better results.

October of 2004 I began the FC+R - three days every four weeks for six months.

The last treatment had to be postponed for two weeks because my blood counts

were so low. However, the treatment was not difficult to handle. I did catch the

flu in November and had some blood pressure problems (too low) and some energy

loss and one episode of mouth sores, but no hair loss and overall a tolerable

treatment. I did gain about 12 pounds because I eat if I feel " different " -

which I did! - Partly from the steroids given with the treatment to help the

anti-nausea medicine work better and partly from the lower blood counts, I

guess. I was given a shot of Neulasta after the last treatment to help boost the

blood counts.

Last treatment was March 10. I have had a rash - chest to head - since March 17.

The Houston doctor does not think it is connected with the chemo. Maybe a

reaction to the Neulasta?? Don't know and hope it will go away!

Will have another checkup in four months. He agreed to take a more conservative

approach - four months instead of three and no bone marrow biopsy and CT of

pelvis and abdomen but only X-ray of chest.

Through all of this almost three years I have actually not felt bad and, except

for during the chemo, have kept up my activity level.

When I was first misdiagnosed and very upset, I got a clear message from God not

to worry - that He would take care of me. I have tried to trust that (not always

successfully) and know that He WILL take care of me - no matter the outcome of

any tests. I had hoped for some kind of remission but tried not to believe that

it could be complete. And I understand very well that it may not last. However,

now there is a chance that my body will be able to fight back. Cancer is so

difficult to treat because our bodies don't recognize it as an enemy, but if it

starts to move again I will have done some more research on vaccine

possibilities, etc. I am currently using the green tea lozenges mentioned on

CLLtopics.org. and other than that will try to eat properly and get enough

exercise.

Sorry to be so long-winded but perhaps this experience will be helpful for

others. I have been most blessed and pray for the blessings of strength, courage

and healing for all of us. This is a wonderful support and information group.

God bless each of you.

Bettie Jane Grant

Age 70

Tallahassee, FL USA

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