Re: Cast Iron Pans and Iron Toxicity

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--- In , Judy Toney <jtseniors@y...>

wrote:

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> Saves money on multi-vitamins with iron. People have been using

cast iron forever, some for that very reason - to get the iron they

needed if they don't eat iron-rich foods.

Hi Judy:

We were not created to get the minerals we need in elemental form.

Chi

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Hi Chi,

Can you elaborate on this concept? This is something that I would

like to research, so any sources for this kind of info would be

appreciated.

I recently added Fertrell's Poultry Nutribalancer to my chicken's

homemade food. They are doing much better on it and it has me

thinking more about the absorbability of vitamins and minerals. Why

can animals get a direct benefit from the supplement, yet we humans

don't (supposedly)?? My natural goat care book says to supplement

minerals if your soil is mineral poor, while you work on the soil of

course...They must be able to absorb it too some degree. So, do the

minerals have to be in ionic form to be absorbed by man and beast??

I have read that most vitamins and minerals are toxic to the body

unless derived from food-based sources... So, that maybe is why Sally

recommends adding Azomite to your soil rather than eating it

yourself...

Any clarity you can give would really help me understand this

better...

Becky

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> Hi Judy:

> We were not created to get the minerals we need in elemental form.

> Chi

[Guest guest]

I don't know what form iron is in in pans, but I doubt it is the organic form

of iron present in animal and plant foods. The inorganic form of iron added

to supplements and used to " enrich " flour should be regarded as a toxin, from

what I've read. It interferes with vitamin E absorption, unlike organic

iron... one reason muti-vitamins should *never* be taken that contain iron.

Chris

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Becky-

>They are doing much better on it and it has me

>thinking more about the absorbability of vitamins and minerals. Why

>can animals get a direct benefit from the supplement, yet we humans

>don't (supposedly)??

The answer is simple: we do, or at least we can and do in some cases. One

problem is that most supplements are way out of balance and come in forms

that aren't the natural and most useful forms of the vitamin, and probably

an even bigger problem is that supplements never contain all the natural

cofactors unless they're just concentrated-food supplements in part because

nobody even knows what all the cofactors are and in part because plain old

ascorbic acid will always sell.

That said, Chi's point is well-taken -- elemental (or rather, nearly

elemental) forms of minerals in supplements, like magnesium oxide, are

hardly absorbable at all, and in fact tend to cause diarrhea.

That said, I have no idea whether cast iron is good, neutral or

harmful. People have used it for a relatively long time, but certainly not

during the vast majority of our evolution.

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>What do you think of stainless steel? And how would

>one handle the stick problem?

I have one thick stainless steel pan that I sometimes cook steaks in, and

stuff sticks to it all the time but I just soak it in hot soapy water and

everything comes off with the wipe of a sponge after a few hours. Once I

left a burner on by accident and I had to use a special stainles steel

grill cleaning compound, which was no doubt highly toxic, but it worked and

it restored the pan to appearing like new.

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et al -

I've treated my stainless pan just like I would have an iron pan, curing

or breaking it in with the heavier fats. The cooking area has turned a

very dark brown, just like an iron pan does, but sticking is no longer a

problem for similar reasons. I clean it like an iron pan too - I don't.

Great for we lazy people.

Which brings up another thought (not the lazy part ;-). If the proper

curing of our cooking pans has such a relatively thick film on them, how

much of the metal really seeps through? The porosity of the metal is

being closed at some level, giving the film the ability to cling to the

metal in the first place.

Greg

On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Idol wrote:

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> >What do you think of stainless steel? And how would

> >one handle the stick problem?

>

> I have one thick stainless steel pan that I sometimes cook steaks in, and

> stuff sticks to it all the time but I just soak it in hot soapy water and

> everything comes off with the wipe of a sponge after a few hours. Once I

> left a burner on by accident and I had to use a special stainles steel

> grill cleaning compound, which was no doubt highly toxic, but it worked and

> it restored the pan to appearing like new.

>

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[Guest guest]

> Hi Chi,

>

> Can you elaborate on this concept? This is something that I would

> like to research, so any sources for this kind of info would be

> appreciated.

Hi Becky:

My reference is pages 147-148 of Volume IV of " The Albrecht Papers " ,

Chapter 5, " Pastures " .

> Why can animals get a direct benefit from the supplement,

> yet we humans don't (supposedly)??

The example above was done on animals, not humans. Although both

animals and humans might get some benefit from minerals direct from

the mineral bin, this can never make up for soil deficiencies that

result in the food chain being deficient in organic compounds that

are synthesized by plants and microbes, compounds that are necessary

for animals and humans to put minerals that are digested and

absorbed into nutrition service for the body rather than just

excreting them in the urine (see Weston Price on activator X). These

critical organic compounds are burned off in an ash analysis.

> My natural goat care book says to supplement minerals if your soil

> is mineral poor, while you work on the soil of course...

Do they tell you HOW to fix your soil?

> So, do the minerals have to be in ionic form to be

> absorbed by man and beast??

As the example about demonstrates, digesting and absorbing minerals

is apparently not enough.

> So, that maybe is why Sally recommends adding Azomite to your

> soil rather than eating it yourself...

For information on soil fertility you are much better off reading

Albrecht rather than listening to Sally. For that matter,

Sally would be much better informed on soil fertility if she would

read Albrecht.

Chi

[Guest guest]

---Chi: do we utilize ferrous sulfate?

In , " soilfertility <ynos@c...> "

<ynos@c...> wrote:

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> >

> > Saves money on multi-vitamins with iron. People have been using

> cast iron forever, some for that very reason - to get the iron they

> needed if they don't eat iron-rich foods.

>

> Hi Judy:

> We were not created to get the minerals we need in elemental form.

> Chi

[Guest guest]

> ---Chi: do we utilize ferrous sulfate?

In the absense of activator X, I doubt it would be of much benefit,

and I could also see it being possibly toxic. I certainly wouldn't

take it.

Chi

From " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration " , Chapter 22, " A NEW

VITAMIN-LIKE ATIVATOR " :

" ...The present report will present evidence of a heretofore not

generally recognized activating substance. It is not one of the

recognized vitamins, but it is a substance which belongs to the fat

soluble group.

The data to be presented here will indicate that: (a) it plays an

essential role in the maximun utilization of body-building minerals

and tissue components;... "

[Guest guest]

Chi, I ask because ferrous sulfate is added to some white flours.

> > ---Chi: do we utilize ferrous sulfate?

>

> In the absense of activator X, I doubt it would be of much benefit,

> and I could also see it being possibly toxic. I certainly wouldn't

> take it.

> Chi

>

> From " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration " , Chapter 22, " A NEW

> VITAMIN-LIKE ATIVATOR " :

> " ...The present report will present evidence of a heretofore not

> generally recognized activating substance. It is not one of the

> recognized vitamins, but it is a substance which belongs to the fat

> soluble group.

> The data to be presented here will indicate that: (a) it plays an

> essential role in the maximun utilization of body-building minerals

> and tissue components;... "