Enzyme Nutrition

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> 4. What is the trick to sprouting beyond 1/32 " - 1/16 " . I never get to

> 1/4 " When I try to wait, the seeds start to really smell. Is there a

> perfect water temperature I should monitor. Sitting on the kitchen counter

> doesn't seem to be working.

For :

Do you rinse them? They should be emptied every 12 hours and rinsed several

times a day, kept well-drained. Increasing rinse time might help.

Chris

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Hi All,

My wife originally turned me onto this group, but she no longer

subscribes - doesn't have the time to read through all the good info that

comes into the inbox. She just finished reading " Enzyme Nutrition " and

believes it makes sense. However, she wanted me to forward this to the list

to see if anyone can shed a little more light on this subject.

Thanks,

***********'s email************

1. After reading Dr. Howell's book, " Enzyme Nutrition " I'm sold on the

concept of eating enzyme rich sources for better health. The next step is

to implement this goal. His book basically teased me because it stated that

supplements are beneficial if you get the right stuff. So here's my

questions about digestive enzyme supplements.

a. Is there a easy or specific way to know if your pancreatic enzymes are

deficient and/or overworked?

b. If pancreatic enzymes are ok, Howell says to supplement your stomach

using plain, or non-enteric coated pills or capsules. He also stated that

the best supplemental enzymes come from the Chinese Aspergillus oryzae

mushroom. When I did a search on the internet for this almost all sites

were for livestock or domestic animals. Only Shaklee and Nutriteck

companies had this kind of enzymes for human consumption. Well actually,

Nutriteck's enzymes came from the Aspergillus niger mushroom. So Shaklee it

would be, but they boast that their EZ-Gest is " resistant and survivies

stomach acid without synthetic enteric coatings. " So, does anyone know of

any supplements that are grown on this aspergillus oryzae mushroom and is

not enteric and is either in capsule form or chewable (for children)? Also

can you recommend a supplement for pancreatic support too?

2. Dr. Howell talks about a Yucca drink that is quite beneficial for

predigesting starch. Has anyone come across anything like this. Nutriteck

sells a Ycca Concentrated Liquiid Supplement. I'm interested in this

because we love bread and probably need some help digesting its starch (Its

homemade, sometimes sprouted, sourdough, of course.)

3. Dr. Howell also mentions a treatment for psoriasis using raw butter. Is

Radiant life X-factor raw butter oil have the same healing properties. If

so 1 stick of butter vs ? oz of X factor daily?

4. What is the trick to sprouting beyond 1/32 " - 1/16 " . I never get to

1/4 " When I try to wait, the seeds start to really smell. Is there a

perfect water temperature I should monitor. Sitting on the kitchen counter

doesn't seem to be working.

Thank you ten fold for helping me sort through this incredibly eye-opening

book.

-

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Hi ,

YOu might like to read 'How We Heal' by on (North Atlantic

Books)

It deals with regeneration of the body vs. balancing & feel good type

programs.

I've also started a forum with the same title for discussion of topics

related to the book. howweheal

If you like, i'd be happy to discuss enzymes with you.

Chris

>From: " Braun " <paul@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Enzyme Nutrition

>Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:51:44 -0500

>

>Hi All,

>My wife originally turned me onto this group, but she no longer

>subscribes - doesn't have the time to read through all the good info that

>comes into the inbox. She just finished reading " Enzyme Nutrition " and

>believes it makes sense. However, she wanted me to forward this to the list

>to see if anyone can shed a little more light on this subject.

>Thanks,

>

>

>***********'s email************

>1. After reading Dr. Howell's book, " Enzyme Nutrition " I'm sold on the

>concept of eating enzyme rich sources for better health. The next step is

>to implement this goal. His book basically teased me because it stated

>that

>supplements are beneficial if you get the right stuff. So here's my

>questions about digestive enzyme supplements.

>

> a. Is there a easy or specific way to know if your pancreatic enzymes

>are

>deficient and/or overworked?

>

> b. If pancreatic enzymes are ok, Howell says to supplement your stomach

>using plain, or non-enteric coated pills or capsules. He also stated that

>the best supplemental enzymes come from the Chinese Aspergillus oryzae

>mushroom. When I did a search on the internet for this almost all sites

>were for livestock or domestic animals. Only Shaklee and Nutriteck

>companies had this kind of enzymes for human consumption. Well actually,

>Nutriteck's enzymes came from the Aspergillus niger mushroom. So Shaklee

>it

>would be, but they boast that their EZ-Gest is " resistant and survivies

>stomach acid without synthetic enteric coatings. " So, does anyone know of

>any supplements that are grown on this aspergillus oryzae mushroom and is

>not enteric and is either in capsule form or chewable (for children)? Also

>can you recommend a supplement for pancreatic support too?

>

>

>2. Dr. Howell talks about a Yucca drink that is quite beneficial for

>predigesting starch. Has anyone come across anything like this. Nutriteck

>sells a Ycca Concentrated Liquiid Supplement. I'm interested in this

>because we love bread and probably need some help digesting its starch (Its

>homemade, sometimes sprouted, sourdough, of course.)

>

>

>3. Dr. Howell also mentions a treatment for psoriasis using raw butter.

>Is

>Radiant life X-factor raw butter oil have the same healing properties. If

>so 1 stick of butter vs ? oz of X factor daily?

>

>

>4. What is the trick to sprouting beyond 1/32 " - 1/16 " . I never get to

>1/4 " When I try to wait, the seeds start to really smell. Is there a

>perfect water temperature I should monitor. Sitting on the kitchen counter

>doesn't seem to be working.

>

>Thank you ten fold for helping me sort through this incredibly eye-opening

>book.

>

>

>

>

>-

>

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--- In , " Braun " <paul@a...>

wrote:

> ***********'s email************

> 1. After reading Dr. Howell's book, " Enzyme Nutrition " I'm sold on

the> concept of eating enzyme rich sources for better health.

>

> a. Is there a easy or specific way to know if your pancreatic

enzymes are> deficient and/or overworked?

>

I have posted in the past about Howell's books either here or

in beyondprice. Here's my take on him.

He wrote two books, 'Enzyme Nutrition' and 'Food Enzymes For Health

and Longevity'. 'Food Enzymes ...' was actually written in 1939 when

he was 42. It had an extensive reference list. 'Enzyme Nutrition' was

written in his later years - published in '85 when he was 87. It was

very poorly referenced. Let me point out that in your 80s, while

there may be exceptions you are not likely to be doing your clearest

thinking or writing or being in touch with your field. Let me also

point out that HUGE changes and discoveries were made in the field of

enzymology, genetics and molecular biology after the 30s. It was

not known at that time how genetic information was stored in DNA

for instance. That was an very early period of knowledge so that

anything Howell wrote about then is exteremely out of date. If you

look at what references Howlell gives in his Enzyme Nutrition book,

it's hard to see any evidence that he kept up with the field of

enzymology. He does have later refertences but they are mostly

nutrition related IIRC.

As far as I can tell Howell did no real research of his own. He did

not publish in peer-reviewed journals. Despite what you read on

various webpages (often ones selling digestive enzyme supplements) he

was NOT a pioneer and did not contribute to the field of enzymolgy.

No one in biochemistry would have heard of his name. He is only the

'father' of his own particular ideas, not iof any area of research.

His conclusions were based on other people's research.

He has one idea which is just flat wrong and this is his idea that

there is a separate life force in enzymes that you only have in a

limited lifetime supply. Digestive enzymes are not stolen from other

parts of the body - they are made in the pancreas from amino acids,

using the information in DNA. This idea of the 'enzyme bank' is pure

bunk.

There is a reason why he came up with this idea, as far as I can

tell by reqaing his books. In the late 20s there was some early

enzyme research done (not by Howell) in which they attempted to

separate the enymatic activity from the protein. There was a debate

on whether the enzyme activity was due to the protein or whether the

protein was just an inert acrrier fro some other molecule that

carried out the enzyme activity. One group said they had been able to

separate the enyme activity from the protein. As far as I can tell,

this was a main basis for Howell's idea of this separate 'life force'

kind of entity. But that early idea wsa totally disproved. They must

have been using improper separation techniques. It is clear that the

protein (plus any necessary vitamin or mineral cofactors -

well-known) are entirely responsible for the enzymatic activity. His

whole idea of the necessity of preserving your limited lifetime

supply of enzymes is wrong and based on very out-of-date incorrect

work. He should have known this long before he published his Enzyme

Nutrition book, which is why I have NO respect for him.

Some of his use of references is very questionable too, and he makes

unjustified conclusions.

Whetehr there is any value in digestive enzymes I don't know, and

maybe there are some useful peices if info mixed among the chaff. But

his basic idea on preserving your limited enzymes and not stealing

from your metabolic enzymes is wrong.

Martha

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Very helpful.

Thanks a bunch Martha,

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From: <darkstar@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: Enzyme Nutrition

>

>

> > ***********'s email************

> > 1. After reading Dr. Howell's book, " Enzyme Nutrition " I'm sold on

> the> concept of eating enzyme rich sources for better health.

> >

> > a. Is there a easy or specific way to know if your pancreatic

> enzymes are> deficient and/or overworked?

> >

>

>

> I have posted in the past about Howell's books either here or

> in beyondprice. Here's my take on him.

> He wrote two books, 'Enzyme Nutrition' and 'Food Enzymes For Health

> and Longevity'. 'Food Enzymes ...' was actually written in 1939 when

> he was 42. It had an extensive reference list. 'Enzyme Nutrition' was

> written in his later years - published in '85 when he was 87. It was

> very poorly referenced. Let me point out that in your 80s, while

> there may be exceptions you are not likely to be doing your clearest

> thinking or writing or being in touch with your field. Let me also

> point out that HUGE changes and discoveries were made in the field of

> enzymology, genetics and molecular biology after the 30s. It was

> not known at that time how genetic information was stored in DNA

> for instance. That was an very early period of knowledge so that

> anything Howell wrote about then is exteremely out of date. If you

> look at what references Howlell gives in his Enzyme Nutrition book,

> it's hard to see any evidence that he kept up with the field of

> enzymology. He does have later refertences but they are mostly

> nutrition related IIRC.

>

> As far as I can tell Howell did no real research of his own. He did

> not publish in peer-reviewed journals. Despite what you read on

> various webpages (often ones selling digestive enzyme supplements) he

> was NOT a pioneer and did not contribute to the field of enzymolgy.

> No one in biochemistry would have heard of his name. He is only the

> 'father' of his own particular ideas, not iof any area of research.

> His conclusions were based on other people's research.

>

> He has one idea which is just flat wrong and this is his idea that

> there is a separate life force in enzymes that you only have in a

> limited lifetime supply. Digestive enzymes are not stolen from other

> parts of the body - they are made in the pancreas from amino acids,

> using the information in DNA. This idea of the 'enzyme bank' is pure

> bunk.

>

> There is a reason why he came up with this idea, as far as I can

> tell by reqaing his books. In the late 20s there was some early

> enzyme research done (not by Howell) in which they attempted to

> separate the enymatic activity from the protein. There was a debate

> on whether the enzyme activity was due to the protein or whether the

> protein was just an inert acrrier fro some other molecule that

> carried out the enzyme activity. One group said they had been able to

> separate the enyme activity from the protein. As far as I can tell,

> this was a main basis for Howell's idea of this separate 'life force'

> kind of entity. But that early idea wsa totally disproved. They must

> have been using improper separation techniques. It is clear that the

> protein (plus any necessary vitamin or mineral cofactors -

> well-known) are entirely responsible for the enzymatic activity. His

> whole idea of the necessity of preserving your limited lifetime

> supply of enzymes is wrong and based on very out-of-date incorrect

> work. He should have known this long before he published his Enzyme

> Nutrition book, which is why I have NO respect for him.

>

> Some of his use of references is very questionable too, and he makes

> unjustified conclusions.

>

> Whetehr there is any value in digestive enzymes I don't know, and

> maybe there are some useful peices if info mixed among the chaff. But

> his basic idea on preserving your limited enzymes and not stealing

> from your metabolic enzymes is wrong.

>

> Martha

>

>

>

>

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>

> ...

> She just finished reading " Enzyme Nutrition " and believes

> it makes sense.

Hi ,

The book " Food Enzymes for Health & Longevity " by Dr.

Howell was edited by Viktoras Kulvinskas. Viktoras recommends the

Cell Tech enzymes, http://www.celltech.com . These are the enzymes I

eat with meals.

Info on Viktoras:

http://www.hotspringshealing.com/victor/viktoras.htm

http://www.hippocratesinst.com/history.html

Mike

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Martha-

>Whetehr there is any value in digestive enzymes I don't know, and

>maybe there are some useful peices if info mixed among the chaff. But

>his basic idea on preserving your limited enzymes and not stealing

>from your metabolic enzymes is wrong.

That's quite true -- there's no fixed store of enzymes, enzymes don't have

any life energy, etc. etc. -- but some of Howell's ideas are useful if

taken as metaphors. If you constantly eat dead, over-cooked foods and

" foods " rich with enzyme-inhibitors, you're going to stress and damage your

digestive system. Other SAD foods can damage the digestive system and

impair your ability to produce adequate digestive enzymes too. I'm

unfortunately a perfect example of this: if I don't take a high-potency

pancreatin supplement with any cooked meal and with any hard-to-digest raw

meal, I suffer the consequences. So while a healthy pancreas only exposed

to healthy foods will presumably work for many decades, right up to death,

it is true that your body only has a limited capacity to handle unhealthy

foods.

-

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I haven't tried that brand.

Doug on recommends Enzymes International (as did Ray), and these

are the ones used by most people involved in Body Electronics around the

world.

They have a 'Super Food Enzymes' (for digestion of meals), a 'Lymphatic

Enzymes' (for removal of accumulated lmphatic congestion), Freeze dried

Green Papaya (high in Papain which digests protein in any ph), as well as

specific enzymes for specific purposes. (ie amylase, protease, lipase, etc)

Ciao, Chris

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thanks for the info Martha.

Couple of questions:

In Iridology there is are various signs within the eye which i have been

taught indicate enzymes deficiency. Once one has made a shift towards

including more raw food in the diet, and begun introcing large quantities of

high quaility enzymes into the diet, these iris signs begin to diminish.

Many people whos dietary changes are 'drastic' enough have observed a

correlation between these iris changes and the elimination of cancerous and

pre-cancerous tissues from the body (as verified by many surgeons).

So, my question is, how would you explain this?

I'm certainly no expert or scientist, but what i've observed within the

field of Body Electronics (which i've been involved in for 8 years now), i

have observed with no other healing modality, nor could it be explained by

any author or researcher.

My observations include the above (on numerous occasions), as well as many

'miraculous' regenerations of various parts of peoples bodies, incl areas

that had been amputated or surgically removed (as in the case of one persons

jaw bone that was surgically removed and grew back).

Certainly there was more to it that taking enzymes (the application of Body

Electronics is discussed in 'How We Heal' for anyone who wishes to research

it further, & a forum exists for discussion of topics pertaining to BE-

howweheal )

I really don't see it as important who did what research as long as the

truth becomes available.

All the best, Chris

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> thanks for the info Martha.

>

> Couple of questions:

>

>

> In Iridology there is are various signs within the eye which i have

been > taught indicate enzymes deficiency. Once one has made a shift

towards

> including more raw food in the diet, and begun introcing large

>quantities of > high quaility enzymes into the diet, these iris

>signs begin to diminish.> > Many people whos dietary changes

>are 'drastic' enough have observed a > correlation between these

>iris changes and the elimination of cancerous and > pre-cancerous

tissues from the body (as verified by many surgeons).>

> So, my question is, how would you explain this?

I'm not going to try to explain it. We already know that the things

which would convince me are vastly different from the things that

would convince you - we're very far apart in our opinions. I am

suspicious of iridology and am content to go with conventional

opinions on it - it's not worth it to me to read up about it or argue

about etc. I think I'll stay out of it, and if anyone wants to

discuss your observations with you here or in email that's great but

for me to do it would give me a huge headache :-)

I could almost join your forum just for the fascination of it (I know

I'd be 180 degrees away from it), but I'm trying to resist.

>

> I really don't see it as important who did what research as long as

the truth becomes available.

>

Well, what is the truth then? Howell thought your life span was

determined by preserving your total enzyme supply - he thought that a

diet without enzyme supplements would be shorter. That's a pretty

scary thing to worry about and yet it's not true. If you want to say

that enzyme supplements make you healthier because they digest your

food more completely, well okay, maybe in some cases, but many of us

have no problems with digestion. But if you start out with the idea

that you're frittering away your lifespan by the very act of normal

digestion of food - that's a big issue! So I think it's important to

clear away that idea.

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I will try and respect your position, but fail to see how you (or anyone

else for that matter) could not be impressed with what i have relayed.

Stats relate that 1-2 out of three people have cancer. Well, EVERY SINGLE

PERSON whos become involved in Body Electronics to any degre and has applied

the nutritional guidelines (incl the consumption of large quantities of

enzymes, green papaya & colloidal minerals of high quality) has eliminated

cancerous or precancerous tissue!

So in my opinion, everyone has cancer!

And if you don't take the minerals & enzymes (again, i'm talking about

saturation doses here, not just one or two), you don't get the results.

OK, i will say no more.

All the best, and thanks again for you information. I've forwarded it to

Doug on for comment. I can send you his reply if you like.

Chris

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