Amalgam Removal

[Guest guest]

Beverly:

When you had your amalgam fillings replaced, did you have any insurance

problems? I plan on having mine replaced, but every time I turn around it's

more and more money for everything we do/want to do, and I might need to

save up ahead of time (which would mean even further delays in starting my

own chelation).

Thanks for any insight you can give!

Missy

> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:03:43 -0000

> From: " Beverly harris " <Flick2Bev@...>

> Subject: Re: almalgam removal ?

>

> Amalgum removal is no big deal. Before chelation, I had 18 changed

> in my mouth by a nontoxic dentist. I do not know of any california

> dentists, but suspect there are many. Ask the doctor you are gong to

> chelate with for a referral. I am sure he knows who does it well in

> your neck of the woods. The web has alot of info on the safe removal

> of amalgums too. Beverly

[Guest guest]

When you had your amalgam fillings replaced, did you have any

insurance problems? I might need to save up ahead of time (which

would mean even further delays in starting my own chelation).

Thanks for any insight you can give!

Missy, I have minimal dental insurance. I had money put asside for

medical stuff and did it. It can take several months. I would

start, as money allowed, removing the biggest fillings or the ones

chipping or cracked. Uour dentist should be able to assess the worst

ones and do them one at a time. You will reduce the mercury and that

is the first step. I would not put it off entirely as if it were me I

might get overwhelmed and delay it too long. Do what you can and ask

the dentist if he can set up a payment plan or any other help he can.

It never hurts to ask. I am sure you wouldn't be the first. Beverly

referral. I am sure he knows who does it well in

[Guest guest]

This is from the IAOMT website:

Referral to International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology

dentist or physician contact:

WHO: Executive Director Ziff, DDS

IAOMT EMAIL: mziff@...

PHONE: (407) 298-2450

WHAT:Dentist or Physician referral

WHERE: Florida Time 10-4 Weekdays

FAX: (407) 298-3075 24 hours

Office hours: Mon. through Fri. 10:00 AM to 4:00 PM Eastern Time

(except holidays and IAOMT meeting dates)

Foundation For Toxic-Free Dentistry

The FTFD will provide you with a complete package of information

which includes all dentists in the state you specify who have

indicated they are Hg-free.

Send a #10 SASE with 78 cents postage to:

Foundation For Toxic-Free Dentistry (or just use FTFD)

P.O. Box 608010

Orlando, FL

32860-8010

> Does anyone have suggestions for a dentist who could take out my

> son's amalgam fillings? We live in Oregon, and the only mercury-free

> dentist in the state does not work with kids who have a hard time

at

> the dentist. Luke is 11, and it's touch and go for him. He barely

> made it through putting the fillings in (to my great regret, now!)

> with a very chatty laid-back dentist who specializes in pediatric

> dentistry. With the right person, Luke might do OK.

>

> Luke is verbal and high functioning, more so now since we started

the

> GFCF diet last April & supplements...so maybe the dental work will

go

> better than I worry about.

>

> I figure we're going to have to travel somewhere. My cousin lives

in

> the Bay area & suggested we go there. I'm willing to go wherever we

> have to in order to find someone who can do this for us.

>

> I've been reading this list for the past several weeks (since the

DAN

> Conference and I learned so much about mercury) - I don't

understand

> half of what I'm reading, but it's getting clearer as I study more.

> I so appreciate all you that are doing this out ahead of me!!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

How do you think Luke would do in a caboose? It's a canvas material they

wrap around the child and it is fastened with velcro(they come in all

sizes). My sons dentist used one and once you get over the unusual look of

them snuggled in with minimal movement you realize they don't get injured

this way. When my son went for his MRI it took four adults to hold him down

to get the IV in and I was very concerned with one of them injuring him

accidentally in restraint. Now when I go to the hospital with him they

smile at me and get out a sheet for me to roll him in and leave out the one

arm. I usually sing to him or we count together till it's over.

Fortunately for my son the visits to the dentist were just for cleaning and

examinations Now I need to find another way because I think this dentist

does use amalgams.

Hope this helps

[ ] Amalgam Removal

> Does anyone have suggestions for a dentist who could take out my

> son's amalgam fillings? We live in Oregon, and the only mercury-free

> dentist in the state does not work with kids who have a hard time at

> the dentist. Luke is 11, and it's touch and go for him. He barely

> made it through putting the fillings in (to my great regret, now!)

> with a very chatty laid-back dentist who specializes in pediatric

> dentistry. With the right person, Luke might do OK.

>

> Luke is verbal and high functioning, more so now since we started the

> GFCF diet last April & supplements...so maybe the dental work will go

> better than I worry about.

>

> I figure we're going to have to travel somewhere. My cousin lives in

> the Bay area & suggested we go there. I'm willing to go wherever we

> have to in order to find someone who can do this for us.

>

> I've been reading this list for the past several weeks (since the DAN

> Conference and I learned so much about mercury) - I don't understand

> half of what I'm reading, but it's getting clearer as I study more.

> I so appreciate all you that are doing this out ahead of me!!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't answer your questions, but I vote for getting those fillings out. I

had mine out a year ago, and they were pretty old, too. Several months

later, I started chelating myself, and my reactions indicate to me, that I

had not rid myself of my mercury naturally over time.

Lorilyn

[Guest guest]

Jen,

What type of bad reaction did you have after amalgam replacement? Did you

just feel sick? I'm having mine removed soon and just wanted to know what

you experienced.

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Hello :

I have a unique reaction to any trauma in my mouth. It started for me in

the early 90's. If you have ever had a cold sore it is very much like

that only more intense. It spreads all over my mouth, lips, and gums. I

haven't heard of anyone else having it and the Dentists that I have seen

since it has started happening don't really know why it is happening or

what to do for it.

My belief that it is some kind of reaction due to the merc in me is just

that, a belief. What I'm basing it on is this:

1) It is something that has not happened my whole life just as I've

continued to age (and become more toxic).

2) It typically lasts for me 4 to 6 weeks.

3) With the supplements and the homeopathic remedies I'm taking the

during and intesity has deminished significantly since I began this

journey.

If you've never had this reaction before I doubt that it will happen to

you as you remove your amalgams.

In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:42:24 -0500 snickol@... writes:

Jen,

What type of bad reaction did you have after amalgam replacement? Did you

just feel sick? I'm having mine removed soon and just wanted to know what

you experienced.

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> I didn't mean to spark a heated debate! When I moved here 4 years

ago, I asked everyone for a dental referral (as I'm somewhat phobic

about dentistry) and my guy was highly recommended by the majority. I

downloaded lots of stuff from the merc-free sites (including a recent

Canadian study), brought it to him and asked if he would be willing to

do it. He followed it to the letter-used a dam, a water drill, had an

assistant flush and suck the whole time, gave me O2, had an hepa

filter in each of his suites (which is due to his allergies, he said)

plus the central A/C was on.

As long as they take appropriate precautions, like this, you'll be

fine. It isn't necessary they are 'spiritually pure' and " worship at

the amalgam free altar. "

> But if one has an open-minded, caring dentist, like mine, who is

willing to listen to one's concerns, take the time to study the info

and is happy to implement the safety protocols-- and do it for a price

that enables one to have them removed,

Then indeed one should remove them and be glad to have such an open

minded and helpful professional avaialble to them!

>isn't it better to have them removed and be able to chelate when the

alternative is leaving them in there to continue poisoning and not

being able to chelate-all because one can't afford to have them

removed?

Absolutely.

>Between therapies and biological interventions for our Aspie son, we

spend about $10,000/year-which leaves a limited budget for the rest of

the family's health care needs. Therefore, I was forced to go 'out of

the box' to solve my problem and thought I'd share my solution with

others who might be in a similar position. So, no, Andy, we are not

suffering from a mental illness.

Doing it the way you did wasn't taking pointless risks to the extent

of being self injurious, either. It was quite rational.

I agree with you that what is important is the precautions taken, not

the philosophical position or motivation of the dentist.

I was responding to what appeared to be an assertion that just

drilling and filling randomly, without precaution, was a good idea.

>Some of us are intelligent, informed individuals, doing the best we

can with the resources we have.

> N.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this

[Guest guest]

Could someone tell me where I can find the protocol on

removing amalgams?

at the bottom of the FAQ i have posted below...

Mercury-Autism FAQ

AUTISM AND MERCURY

Q: How is Mercury Poisoning related to Autism?

Q: How dangerous is mercury?

Q: How could my child have become mercury poisoned?

Q: What are some other sources of exposure to mercury?

Q: But my dentist told me that dental amalgam is perfectly safe

Q: If mercury poisoning is caused by vaccines, then why aren't all kids

mercury toxic?

Q: Has anyone actually cured their autistic child by chelating them?

DETERMINING MERCURY TOXICITY & FIRST STEPS

Q: My doctor says that my child is not mercury toxic because his/her blood

and urine mercury levels are within normal limits. What do you think?

Q: How can I find out if my child has mercury poisoning?

Q: My alternative doctor wants to do a DMPS challenge test. Is this safe?

Q: I've made an appointment for a hair test and I'm trying to find a doctor

to help me chelate. Is there anything I can do right now?

Q: OK, I'm convinced my child is mercury toxic. What do I do now?

Q: My child has only one amalgam filling, and I can't seem to find a dentist

who will agree to replace it. Can't I go ahead and chelate?

Q: I've gotten back the hair test results for my child, and it shows he has

high

levels of other metals besides mercury. What should I do?

CHELATION

Q: What are chelating agents?

Q: What is DMPS?

Q: What is DMSA?

Q: What is ALA or LA?

Q: What is the proper dosage and administration schedule for DMSA and LA?

Q: I've started chelating and my child is having bad side effects. What can

I do?

Q: I've heard that glutathione, chlorella, cilantro, cysteine, MSM, NAC,

garlic,

and saunas will chelate naturally, and that the natural way is better. Is

this true?

Q: My child is GFCF. Can I continue the diet?

Q: How long does it take to complete chelation?

RESOURCES

Q: Who is Andy Cutler?

Q: Who is Dr. Amy?

Q: How can I find a mercury-free dentist?

====================================================

AUTISM AND MERCURY

Q: How is Mercury Poisoning related to Autism?

In their paper " Autism: A Unique Type of Mercury Poisoning " Bernard et. al,

http://www.cureautismnow.org/sciwatch/invest.cfm have revealed a startling

similarity in the symptoms of Autism and Mercury Poisoning. While this may

sound frightening, it actually shines a bright ray of hope into the lives of

families living with an autistic child. Why? Because mercury poisoning can

be cured.

Q: How dangerous is mercury?

Very. Mercury is the second most toxic element on earth, second only to

plutonium. The amount of mercury found in one mercury thermometer is enough

to pollute a small lake. Mercury toxicity has been linked to a large number

of diseases, including arthritis, altzheimer's, multiple sclerosis,

fibromyalgia, lupus, chronic fatigue syndrome, depression, bipolar disorder,

schizophrenia, learning disabilities and ADHD.

Q: How could my child have become mercury poisoned?

Many parents believe the major culprit to be thimerosal, a preservative used

in vaccines and other medications. Thimerosal is 50% mercury by weight. In

October 1998, the FDA banned the use of thimerosal in over the counter

medications. Since July, 1999, the FDA has " encouraged " manufacturers to

remove thimerosal from vaccines. Some have done it; others have not. Today,

most vaccines that are being manufactured do not contain thimerosal, or they

only contain a " trace. " But we do not know how many of the old thimerosal

products are still on the shelf.

Each vaccine containing thimerosal exceeds the EPA's safety guidelines of

0.1 mcg/kg/day. Since multiple vaccines are often given on the same day, the

amount of mercury injected into a typical infant is many times over the

" safe " limit. Before the FDA ban, mercury had been added to eye drops,

contact lens preparations, nasal sprays, contraceptive creams, hemmhoroid

creams, lubricating gels, allergy injections, and antiseptics such as

Mercurochrome® and merthiolate.

Q: What are some other sources of exposure to mercury?

There are many other common sources for mercury exposure. Here's a short

list:

Dental amalgams

Released into the air by coal burning plants

Fish and shellfish, especially tuna, salmon and swordfish

Some paints

Thermometers and blood pressure gauges (especially if mercury from broken

instruments was spilled on carpet)

Fluorescent light bulbs

It is important to note that mercury present in a mother's body is passed to

her baby through the placenta, and later, through breast milk. See: " Mercury

from maternal " silver " tooth fillings in sheep and human breast milk. A

source of neonatal exposure. " By Vimy, Hooper and King:

http://hera.algonet.se/~leif/yrvim97a.htm

Q: But my dentist told me that dental amalgam is perfectly safe.

The presence of mercury in dental amalgams is a very controversial subject.

Despite the fact that dental amalgam contains 50% mercury, the American

Dental Association's official position is that dental amalgam is safe, and

that mercury does not pose a health risk. However, numerous research studies

show that dental amalgams are a major source of mercury toxicity. Because of

the ADA's position, your dentist risks losing his license if he tells you

that mercury is dangerous, no matter what he personally believes.

Q: If mercury poisoning is caused by vaccines, they why aren't all kids

mercury toxic?

Sensitivity to mercury varies widely from person to person, as does the

body's natural ability to detoxify. Some children can get rid of the mercury

quickly, while in others, the toxin remains in the body longer, allowing it

time to bind tightly in the brain and other organs.

Q: Has anyone actually " cured " their autistic child by chelating them?

The book " Turning Lead Into Gold " describes several cases of children with

" autistic tendencies " who improved dramatically after chelation for lead.

As of this writing, no one on this list has completely cured their child

from mercury poisoning. But its early yet. Dr. Amy is getting some wonderful

results with the children in her practice, and numerous parents have

reported improvements in their autistic children with each chelation cycle.

DETERMINING MERCURY TOXICITY & FIRST STEPS

Q: My doctor says that my child is not mercury toxic because his/her blood

and urine mercury levels are " within normal limits. " What do you think?

Most MDs are more familiar with lead poisoning than mercury poisoning. Blood

and urine tests are the standard for measuring lead, but these tests are

inadequate for mercury. This is because once mercury enters the body, it

very quickly leaves the bloodstream and accumulates in the internal organs.

Therefore, urine and blood tests will only show mercury if the person has

been exposed to a large amount of mercury very recently. Chronic long-term

exposure (amalgams) or old exposure (vaccines) will not show up with these

tests. A better way to test for mercury is by using a hair elements test.

Q: How can I find out if my child has mercury poisoning?

Dr. Amy Holmes lists a number of useful medical tests on the website:

http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm. A trace minerals analysis,

or hair test, is an inexpensive, non-invasive and reasonably accurate test

for determining the body's burden of mercury and other heavy metals.

Doctor's Data (708/231-3649) is a great source for obtaining this test. Keep

in mind that mercury may be so tightly bound in the body's organs that it

doesn't show up in large amounts in the hair test. Instead of looking at

mercury by itself, it is necessary to look at all of the elements and to

apply the " counting rules " (posted in files) to determine if mercury is

present.

Q: My alternative doctor wants to do a DMPS challenge test. Is this safe?

No. DMPS challenge tests and IV chelation with DMPS can be very

dangerous-see www.dmpsbackfire.com. A challenge test is when a doctor

administers a large amount of a chelator in a single dose, and then tests

the urine for metals. Challenge tests in general aren't useful for

diagnosing mercury toxicity because everyone has some mercury in them, and

DMPS (or DMSA) will mobilize it. If DMPS is to be used, it should be

administered orally, every 8 hours. And no one should take a chelator of any

kind if they have dental amalgam fillings.

Some doctors suggest doing the same sort of challenge test using a large

oral dose of DMSA, or will suggest treatment with infrequent doses of

chelator (once a day or every other day). This is also dangerous. Chelators

should always be given in frequent, small doses (every 3-4 hours for DMSA,

every 8 hours for DMPS).

Q: I've made an appointment for a hair test and I'm trying to find a doctor

to help me chelate. Is there anything I can do right now?

Yes-you can begin supplementation. There are many dietary supplements that

can help your child to feel better now, and during the chelation process.

Here are some important ones:

Take these 4 times a day: Vitamin B complex, Vitamin C, and Milk Thistle

extract

Take these often (frequency not as critical): Zinc, Magnesium, Vitamin E,

mixed carotenes and lypocene, flax seed oil.

Q: OK, I'm convinced my child is mercury toxic. What do I do now?

If your child has dental amalgams, you will need to find a mercury-free

dentist who can replace the silver amalgam fillings with some other

material. Next, you should try to find a doctor who can help with chelation.

Keep in mind that most regular allopathic doctors are not familiar with

mercury toxicity. You don't have to go to a regular MD. " Alternative "

doctors such as osteopaths, naturopaths, homeopaths and chiropractors may be

able to help you obtain chelating agents and monitor your child's health

during the process. You don't have to have a doctor to chelate, but it is a

very good idea.

Q: My child has only one amalgam filling, and I can't seem to find a dentist

who will agree to replace it. Can't I go ahead and chelate?

Absolutely not. You cannot start chelation if there are any silver amalgam

fillings present. The chelator will remove mercury from the filling and

deposit it in your child's body, making him even more toxic.

Q: I've gotten back the hair test results for my child, and it shows he has

high levels of other metals besides mercury. What should I do?

Generally, you remove the other metals first. High levels of lead, copper,

arsenic, antimony or aluminum can cause symptoms similar to mercury

poisoning. If your child has high levels of several metals, he is likely

very sick. Test again in three months.

Recommendations for chelating other metals:

Lead: Use DMSA, but follow the protocol for mercury in case mercury is

present as well. Administer every 3-4 hours for several days, then rest for

the same number of days, etc.

Arsenic: Use DMSA first if your child is mercury toxic. LA works very well

for arsenic. Chelate using mercury protocol (every 3 hours, with on/off

cycles).

Antimony: Use SAMe, 5 mg a day per pound of kid in divided doses. Or you can

use the " poor man's methylating mix " of B-12 (100 mcg per pound), folate (10

mcg per pound) and TMG or choline (10-20 mg per pound). Spread these through

the day. They may be energizing so you might want to give them in the

earlier part of the day.

Copper: Copper absorption can be greatly reduced by giving 25 mg zinc + 250

mcg

molybdenum 4 times a day, and also by excluding high copper foods from the

diet. Nuts, organ meats, shellfish, molasses and sometimes unwashed produce

are high. Glycine, taurine and milk thistle extract might help get rid of

copper faster.

Note: You should not give LA if your child has high copper levels, as LA

will drive copper levels higher.

Aluminum: Restrict dietary intake. Don't cook in aluminum pans, or drink

sodas from aluminum cans. Certain baking powders, antacids and

antiperspirants contain aluminum, so be sure to check labels.

Cadmium: Zinc may help.

Antioxidant supplements help reduce the symptoms of all heavy metal

problems.

CHELATION

Q: What are chelating agents?

Chelating agents are compounds with two or more binding groups for certain

metals combined into one molecule. Chelating agents for mercury are DMPS

(2,3 dimercaptopropanesulfonate sodium), DMSA (2,3 meso DiMercaptoSuccinic

Acid. Generic name: Succimer. Trade name: Chemet) and ALA (alpha lipoic

acid).

Q: What is DMPS?

DMPS has been approved for bulk distribution by compounding pharmacies and

is excellent for removing mercury from the body (but not the brain) if it is

used properly.

Unfortunately many physicians use it and other chelating agents improperly,

and like any drug these can be extremely dangerous when not used right.

Q: What is DMSA?

DMSA is a prescription medication which has been approved by the FDA for

lead poisoning in children. It also works well for mercury. DMSA removes

mercury from everywhere in the body except the brain, because it does not

cross the blood-brain barrier.

Q: What is ALA or LA?

Alpha lipoic acid (ALA or LA) is an over-the-counter supplement which has

been found to effectively chelate mercury. Unlike DMSA and DMPS, LA will

cross the blood-brain barrier, and so it can move mercury out of or into the

brain. LA should not be used if there has been recent mercury exposure

(within 3 months) or if your child has high copper levels, since LA reduces

copper excretion.

Q: What is the proper dosage and administration schedule for DMSA and LA?

The dosage is less important than the administration schedule. If you

remember nothing else about this FAQ, remember this: DMSA or LA must be

given in small, frequent doses (every 3-4 hours, even at night) over several

days to be effective. Infrequent dosage will just stir up the mercury and

redistribute it in the body, making your child sicker.

For DMSA alone, the guideline is 1 mg per pound of child to start. For DMSA

given with LA, start with 1/8 to ½ mg. per pound of child. Increase slowly

as tolerated.

If giving LA by itself, give it every 3 hours. DMSA is given every 4 hours.

DMSA + LA should be given every 3 hours.

DMPS alone should be given every 8 hours.

Chelation should be done in cycles of at 3 to 7 days on the chelator,

followed by at least as many days off as a rest period. Many parents find it

convenient to chelate on weekends, starting when the child gets home from

school and stopping on Monday morning, with weekdays as rest days. With the

schedule, sleep is only interrupted on weekends and parents don't have to

depend on school employees to give the medicine.

Q: I've started chelating and my child is having bad side effects. What can

I do?

Some side effects that list members have reported include increased

urination, redness of the face and extremities, rash, heartburn, and

diarrhea. Your child may also show an increase in autistic symptoms (may

become more " stimmy " or show more oppositional behavior). If the side

effects are severe or difficult to deal with, stop the cycle and allow a

rest time, then start the next cycle with a lower dosage. You may also want

to try a shorter chelation cycle, with a larger rest period in between.

Q: I've heard that glutathione, chlorella, cilantro, cysteine, MSM, NAC,

garlic, and saunas will chelate naturally, and that the natural way is

better. Is this true?

Don't assume that because something is " natural, " that it is necessarily

better. As Andy has reminded us, strychnine and botulism are natural, and

deadly. That said, some natural remedies are excellent. LA is a natural

supplement available at health food stores, and it has been found to be a

good chelator for mercury and arsenic. You have to read about and study each

one so that you have some idea what you are giving your child. All of these

remedies have been discussed on the list, and some of our list members swear

by them. You are encouraged to inform yourself and make up your own mind.

But here's what Andy and Amy say about them:

Glutathione - Andy: " Glutathione is not a chelator. Supplemental glutathione

itself is of very little value since your gut should digest it. If your gut

is not digesting it you will soon start taking other things to MAKE your gut

digest it because letting undigested things like glutathione into your

bloodstream will soon cause major allergy problems. "

Chlorella-Andy: " While there is little in press that shows chlorella to be

harmful, there are multitudinous observations of real people which show

that. All you have to do is ask

around. Chlorella is simply another " sulfur food. " It is very harmful to

people who

are high in sulfur. "

" Dr. Klinghardt, is the one that popularized DMPS injections and DMSA every

other day, the first and second most dangerous mercury treatment protocols.

Now he is on to chlorella, which is also very dangerous. I know several

people who took it per his protocol and suffered permanent neurological

damage as a result. "

Cilantro-Andy: " There is some superstition that cilantro helps, and it

really may, but it

isn't clear how to use it. "

And this from Dr. Amy Holmes- " Cilantro. Untested. A few reports that it MAY

cross the blood-brain barrier and chelate mercury, but no data. Please bear

in mind that no one knows what the ingredient in cilantro is that MAY do

this. Is every cilantro equal? Who knows? I don't see how one could possibly

be even somewhat sure that you are keeping a relatively steady blood level

of THE INGREDIENT when we don't know what THE INGREDIENT is or if all

cilantro has the same amount of it. And if anything in mercury chelation is

more important, I can't think of it. "

Cysteine-Not a chelator. Andy: " Don't give cysteine/cystine or sources of it

during ALA chelation unless you definitively know the child has low plasma

levels of cysteine (not low-ish, definitively abnormally low). "

Dr. Amy: " I think we are much better off leaving glutathione, MSM, cysteine,

etc. supplements alone. They cause many more problems than they can fix in

an untested person.

MSM-Not a chelator. Andy: " The more I hear about MSM the more I suggest

people avoid it. I keep getting random negative reports. " And " It is an

exceptionally bad idea to use MSM, cysteine, NAC or glutathione with LA

since LA naturally increases your body's cysteine and glutathione levels. "

NAC-This is a supplement which will cause the body to produce more

glutathione. Andy: " Neither NAC nor glutathione remove any mercury from the

brain - but they do

make whatever mercury is there a lot more toxic if administered in excessive

amounts. "

Garlic-Not a chelator, but posters say it's great for pinworms.

Saunas-Andy: " Sauna has been used to detox mercury miners since time

immemorial - when they get too messed up, they go to the sauna during work

hours instead of into

the mine shaft. " " Sweating does indeed increase mercury excretion. Probably

an hour or

two of sauna is the same as 50 mg of DMSA every 4 hours for a day. " Note:

Posters urged caution with saunas because mercury toxic people are often

heat sensitive.

Q: My child is GFCF. Can I continue the diet?

If it makes your child feel better, then by all means continue. Bernie

Windham has written a paper that describes how mercury interferes with the

enzyme that is needed to digest gluten and casein. Many people who are

mercury toxic are sensitive to food that are high in sulfur, which includes

all dairy products.

Regarding yeast: Mercury causes damage to the immune system, and a weakened

immune system allows yeast, bacteria and and all sorts of other nasties to

proliferate in the body. Yeast overgrowth can cause " leaky gut " -a condition

in which the lining of the intestine becomes somewhat porous, allowing

undigested particles to enter the bloodstream, causing allergic reactions.

Mercury toxic individuals often suffer from food allergies. Therefore, a

GFCF (gluten and casein-free) diet is probably a good idea before and during

chelation. Theoretically, once the mercury is removed, the immune system is

restored, and the gut is allowed to heal (this may require antibiotics

and/or anti-fungals), the child may be able eat " regular " foods again.

Q: How long does it take to complete chelation?

Six months to two years, depending on how toxic a person is and how quickly

you chelate. Children younger than 8 seem to respond more quickly than older

children.

RESOURCES

Q: Who is Andy Cutler?

Andy Cutler is a Ph.D. chemist who found himself sick with mercury poisoning

and figured out how to get well. He wrote a book called " Amalgam Illness:

Diagnosis and treatment " It sells for $35 and you can order it directly from

his web site: http://hometown.aol.com/noamalgam. Andy spends many hours

answering questions on our list, and he always tells it like it is-no bull.

Q: Who is Dr. Amy?

Dr. Amy Holmes is an M.D. in Louisiana who is working with parents of many

autistic children to help them chelate mercury and other toxic metals from

their children. Dr. Amy used to be an oncologist. She retired to raise her

infant son, only to find out that he has autism. Now she has gone back to

work to help her son and others' children. Dr. Amy has written an article on

the healing arts website: http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm

that describes the mercury problem and her treatment protocol. Licensing

laws prohibit Dr. Amy from consulting with people who are not her patients.

However, your doctor may call Dr. Amy at (225)767-7433 to consult with her

or receive a faxed copy of her protocol.

Q: How can I find a mercury-free dentist?

Send a #10 SASE with 78 cents postage to:

Foundation For Toxic-Free Dentistry (or just use FTFD)

P.O. Box 608010

Orlando, FL

32860-8010

Be very careful when selecting a dentist. Composite fillings require more

skill in placement than amalgam, and the risk for further mercury exposure

during amalgam replacement is great. The dentist should follow something

similar to the IOAMT protocol:

http://mall.turnpike.net/P/PDHA/mercury/iaomt.htm for amalgam removal and

replacement.

Thanks.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

,

Catching up on old msgs. This guy sounds like one who could convert to

mercury-free for the sake of his " allergies " . Any chance he's doing so?

S

On Fri, 29 June 2001, " Nunes " wrote:

>

> <html><body>

> <tt>

> I didn't mean to spark a heated debate! & nbsp; When I moved here 4 years ago, I

asked everyone for a dental referral (as I'm somewhat phobic about dentistry)

and my guy was highly recommended by the majority. & nbsp; I downloaded lots of

stuff from the merc-free sites (including a recent Canadian study), brought it

to him and asked if he would be willing to do it. & nbsp; He followed it to the

letter-used a dam, a water drill, had an assistant flush and suck the whole

time, gave me O2, & nbsp; had an hepa filter in each of his suites (which is due

to his allergies, he said) plus the central A/C was on. & nbsp; (When I returned

for the next visit, he told me, in a rather dumbfounded way, that he had another

patient inquire about amalgam removal and planned on looking into it further

'when he could'.) & nbsp; I took all my supplements and followed up with colon,

liver and blood cleanses. & nbsp; In short, even if it wasn't 'perfect', I believe

it was pretty much as safe as amalgam removal can be. & nbsp; & nbsp; I had a new

cavity which he drilled and filled with composite for the same price. & nbsp; He

charged me nothing additional to use the precautions while replacing the

amalgams. I'm not saying all amalgam free dentists overcharge. & nbsp; I live in a

small town in Florida where most things cost below the norm. I assume dentistry

in general is higher elsewhere and I'm guessing amalgam free dentists do charge

additional for the pecautions-which is reasonable- and that is why their prices

are higher?) Nor was I implying that ANY dentist out there could/should be doing

amalgam removals. & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; <BR>

> But if one has an open-minded, caring dentist, like mine, who is willing to

listen to one's concerns, take the time to study the info and is happy to

implement the safety protocols-- and do it for a price that enables one to have

them removed, isn't it better to have them removed and be able to chelate when

the alternative is leaving them in there to continue poisoning and not being

able to chelate-all because one can't afford to have them removed? & nbsp; Between

therapies and biological interventions for our Aspie son, we spend about

$10,000/year-which leaves a limited budget for the rest of the family's health

care needs. & nbsp; Therefore, I was forced to go 'out of the box' to solve my

problem and thought I'd share my solution with others who might be in a similar

position. So, no, Andy, we are not suffering from a mental illness. & nbsp; Some

of us are intelligent, informed individuals, doing the best we can with the

resources we have.<BR>

> N.<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Tom,

You are right. According to Andy, no chelation until ALL amalgams are removed

and then wait 4 days. I.V. vitamin C might help right after amalgam removal.

Start DMSA 4 days after.

Ken Sokolski

[Guest guest]

--- In @y..., " ryansdad1998 " <ryansdad1998@y...> wrote,

in part:

> I just purchased a second copy of Andy's book (my wife

> gave the first copy to her grandfather's wife who is suffering from

> Alzheimer's), but I haven't had enough time to review the chelation

> process following amalgam removal. I believe Andy states that you

> should start chelating with DMSA alone only after ALL of the

fillings

> are removed. Could somebody please verify this for me?

YES. That is correct. No chelating with any chelation agent

until all amalgam is removed.

There is a summary of some of Andy's protocol here:

/files/Andy_dose_sched

/files/Andy_protocol

best wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

So when do you start with ALA if you want to use ALA only? How many

days after the almagam removal? Thanks!

KKSOKOLSKI@... wrote:

>Dear Tom,

>You are right. According to Andy, no chelation until ALL amalgams are removed

>and then wait 4 days. I.V. vitamin C might help right after amalgam removal.

>Start DMSA 4 days after.

>Ken Sokolski

>

>

>=======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

> Dear Tom,

> You are right. According to Andy, no chelation until ALL amalgams

are removed

> and then wait 4 days. I.V. vitamin C might help right after amalgam

removal.

> Start DMSA 4 days after.

Vitamin C is not a chelator. You can use it IV or PO at any time.

Andy . . . . .

[Guest guest]

> So when do you start with ALA if you want to use ALA only? How many

> days after the almagam removal?

Two or three months.

Andy . . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

Better defer to Andy on that one.

Ken

[Guest guest]

Amalgam removal is just replacing the metal (amalgam) filling.

> Does the process of amalgam removal actually replace the whole

tooth or just

> the filling part?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is best done by a dentist following the IAOMT protocol. Here is a

link that details the procedure for proper removal...

http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/PDHA/mercury/iaomt.htm

If you would like to find a dentist in your area using this protocol I

would suggest emailing F. Ziff, DDS Executive Director, IAOMT.

mziff@...

I did and he was extrememly nice, responding very quickly. Referred me

to an excellent mercury-free dentist, too.

Hope this helps.

Darla

> Does the process of amalgam removal actually replace the whole tooth

or just

> the filling part?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> " Maybe someone can help me out. I just talked to my dentist and

asked him to

> remove my mercury fillings. I have a mouth full of fillings and one

autistic

> son and maybe my baby daughter, too. Anyways, in California he said

its

> against the law for him to remove my fillings unless they are broken or

> leaking.

hahahahhahahah

now that is really quite a " line " !

Lots of dentists do amalgam replacements.

I have *heard* that some dentists get harrassed by the dental

associations. But pleeeeasssse! It is against the law for

him to replace your fillings?

> I have a mouth full of mercury and I think this can't be good?

>

> I hope someone might have some articles or experiences for me "

Well, I had mine replaced, but lots of people have. It is not

so special. My insurance company paid for about 50% of the cost.

You can find some more " like minded " dentists, if you look a bit.

There are links to a few lists of dentists here:

/files/HOW_TO_find_doctor

Look in the section on dentists. DO check the people out, don't

assume they are wonderful because they are on a website for

biocompatible/non-amalgam dentists.

best wishes and good luck with the dental work.

Moria

[Guest guest]

At 04:05 PM 12/16/2002 EST, you wrote:

>I'm posting this for a listmate from another board; thought someone here

>would probably be helpful. You can respond to me on/off list & I'll forward.

>Thanks! Michele

>

> " Maybe someone can help me out. I just talked to my dentist and asked him

to

>remove my mercury fillings. I have a mouth full of fillings and one

autistic

>son and maybe my baby daughter, too. Anyways, in California he said its

>against the law for him to remove my fillings unless they are broken or

>leaking. I have a mouth full of mercury and I think this can't be good?

>

>I hope someone might have some articles or experiences for me "

>

Well the ADA does give them grief.

But what a disgusting dentist.

I lived in California - San Diego and had mine out in the early 90's

There are many there who do it.

You just have to serach but be sure you get one who does it right.

dental dam, air supply to breathe that is from away from the area he is

working, eye glasses, etc.

I did a quadrant at a time.

Where are you in California?

Find a new dentist - who needs someone who will poison you

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FYI

Read this and find a new dentist who scrotum isn't empty.

Email me privately.

Dolphi

Re: [ ] Amalgam Removal

At 04:05 PM 12/16/2002 EST, you wrote:

>I'm posting this for a listmate from another board; thought someone

>here

>would probably be helpful. You can respond to me on/off list & I'll

forward.

>Thanks! Michele

>

> " Maybe someone can help me out. I just talked to my dentist and asked

>him

to

>remove my mercury fillings. I have a mouth full of fillings and one

autistic

>son and maybe my baby daughter, too. Anyways, in California he said

>its

>against the law for him to remove my fillings unless they are broken or

>leaking. I have a mouth full of mercury and I think this can't be

good?

>

>I hope someone might have some articles or experiences for me "

>

Well the ADA does give them grief.

But what a disgusting dentist.

I lived in California - San Diego and had mine out in the early 90's

There are many there who do it. You just have to serach but be sure you

get one who does it right. dental dam, air supply to breathe that is

from away from the area he is working, eye glasses, etc. I did a

quadrant at a time.

Where are you in California?

Find a new dentist - who needs someone who will poison you

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$

Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

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Homeopathy course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

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THE

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[Guest guest]

She doesn't want that dentist doing the work because he doesn't realize the

truth about mercury toxicity and buys the ADA bull as they dish it out. I do

believe the dentist told her that. She needs to find a mercury-free dentist.

Not too long ago Gray (Gov. of CA) disbanded the CA Dental Assoc. getting

rid of everyone on it because they refused to come up with a truthful fact sheet

about mercury despite having been ordered to do so back in 1993 or so. He

rebuilt the CDA and included several mercury-free dentists and several dental

consumers. SFrom:

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2002 16:05:21 ESTSubject: [ ] Amalgam RemovalI'm posting this for a

listmate from another board; thought someone here would probably be helpful. You

can respond to me on/off list & amp; I'll forward. Thanks! Michele " Maybe someone

can help me out. I just talked to my dentist and asked him to remove my mercury

fillings. I have a mouth full of fillings and one autistic son and maybe my

baby daughter, too. Anyways, in California he said its against the law for him

to remove my fillings unless they are broken or leaking. I have a mouth full of

mercury and I think this can't be good? I hope someone might have some articles

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Was just going through some books I got to go through for fundraising and

came across a booklet, The PAR Booklet, Proper Amalgam Removal prepared by

Huggins Diagnostic Inc. P.O. Box 2589 Colorado Springs, CO 80901 phone

1-800-331-2303. Glancing through it seems to have come out of The

International Conference on the Biocompatibility of Materials. There are no

dates. Its a 72 page booklet. The last chapter How Root Canals Generate

Toxins is written from WAP's research. Is anyone familiar with this

booklet? Its not relevant to me as I've never had a filling. I can donate

and keep this. What do any of you think about it going to westonaprice.org

if its not already part of their library?

Wanita

[Guest guest]

At 07:56 PM 1/13/03 -0500, you wrote:

>Sounds like a good idea if they don't have it.

>Are you aware of Meinig's book?  Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation

>I guess has a library of all Price's work and there is some 1200-page

>two-volume work on root canals.  So PPNF finally asked Meinig, a dentist, to

>look at it and put it into layman's terms a few years ago and he wrote The

>Root Canal Coverup.

>In any case, that booklet is probalby a summary of this work.  Very

>interesting, it is.

>

>Chris

Did find a date on the conference and declaration, November 5-10, 1988. The

entire booklet except for the last chapter is on proper amalgam removal.

Wanita