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.. << This will keep you bile flowing and keep

your stools soft!>>

This is what I wonder about, do you or not have a constant flow of bile

after surgery? Or is it released on signal after eating fats or protien?

Someone mentioned that the lecithin caused them more pain. I have been

having intermittent pain in the gb for the past couple days. Today it was a

little worse with the pain extending up into the right chest. Is this

anything to worry about? Then I felt something move down there. I have that

stone near the neck and wonder if it was acting up.

I am going to the gastro on Tuesday.

laura

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Subject: Flush after surgery

> Hi Diane!

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> My Dad has done numerous flushes over the years AFTER he had his gb

> removed. He has not had any greenies " appear. It is probably wise

> for everyone to do a liver flush every 1-3 years!

>

> I get both the liquid and granuale lecithin at a health food grocery

> store. I would take the lecithin and flaxseed oil 5-7 mornings a

> week on an empty stomach. This will keep you bile flowing and keep

> your stools soft!

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<<VThis is what I wonder about, do you or not have a constant flow of bile

after surgery? Or is it released on signal after eating fats or protien<<

You have a constant flow of bile even when you HAVE your gallbladder. Only

about 1% of your bile gets stored and concentrated in your gallbladder, the

rest goes directly from your liver to the common bile duct, flowing

constantly.

Debra

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A great site that tells all about digestion and the liver can be

found at:

http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/liver/index.

html

As the following excerpt indicates... Bile does flow constantly, yet

it has low flows during fasting, higher flows during eating and

highest flows when eating fats.

ken

-Pattern and Control of Bile Secretion

The flow of bile is lowest during fasting, and a majority of that is

diverted into the gallbladder for concentration. When chyme from an

ingested meal enters the small intestine, acid and partially digested

fats and proteins stimulate secretion of cholecystokinin and

secretin. As discussed previously, these enteric hormones have

important effects on pancreatic exocrine secretion. They are both

also important for secretion and flow of bile:

Cholecystokinin: The name of this hormone describes its effect on the

biliary system - cholecysto = gallbladder and kinin = movement. The

most potent stimulus for release of cholecystokinin is the presence

of fat in the duodenum. Once released, it stimulates contractions of

the gallbladder and common bile duct, resulting in delivery of bile

into the gut.

Secretin: This hormone is secreted in response to acid in the

duodenum. Its effect on the biliary system is very similar to what

was seen in the pancreas - it simulates biliary duct cells to secrete

bicarbonate and water, which expands the volume of bile and increases

its flow out into the intestine.

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> You have a constant flow of bile even when you HAVE your gallbladder. Only

> about 1% of your bile gets stored and concentrated in your gallbladder, the

> rest goes directly from your liver to the common bile duct, flowing

> constantly.

This seems contrary to both the butchers and Hulda .

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> So what, then, causes the post surgery chronic diarrhea? Something

that went

> wrong in surgery? laura

>

>

>

> Since surgery I have had very hard stools, not the diarrea

expected. I have taken psylium everyday and now am taking stool

softeners. This has caused a terrible case of hemmeroids too. Not

everyone is the same.

Jerome

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>>This seems contrary to both the butchers and Hulda <<

Once again you have proven yourself misinformed, while sounding like an

closed-minded zealot.

Debra

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I don't know who set this list up, but they have my profuse thanks.

Regards,

Rex Harrill

> Once again you have proven yourself misinformed, while sounding like an

> closed-minded zealot.

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Hi Debra!

I undesrastand that diarrhea is NOT a significant problem for most

people who have their gb's removed. It does happen to some, AND can

become chronic for a small %.

Your increase in strength can be the esult of feeling better and

sleeping better. Also, strength tends to be realtive on a day by day

basis... Try again tomorrow and you may find that your son beats you

in arm wrestling! This doesn't mean anything is wrong... just that

your not as strong that day!

ken

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