{38,957 cures} Re: HIV clarification

[Guest guest]

We don't usually put through just " thank yous, " but this thread is so great, I'm

putting it all through again. Thank you Jovan for the question that prompted

Bayard's response.

Moira

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Thank you for your comment.

Jovan

Bayard <Bayard@...> wrote:

My choice of phrasing in the e-mail down below yours, Mr. Obsession,

was

very poor, I must admit. So I'll give you the bottom line on HIV here.

People who've never taken meds will know within a few weeks of doing the

2-Step Startup whether they'll ever need to take them or not. The approach

you're going to learn from Step 1 is basically to remove all pathology,

kill the virus, and keep it all out. And rigorously install the things

that keep you immune. And if you keep pounding out dysfunction that way,

and raise yourself to a high level of function and stay there, your viral

load should drop to zero on a medical test and stay there permanently. If

you've ever tested positive for HIV it will probably be a good idea to

continue periodic retesting over the course of your life, but that,

obviously, is between you and your doctor, if you're working with a doctor

-- and some of you may not be; I don't really have an opinion about that.

Barb Retson recently had a blood test with a doctor friend of hers, for

some other reason, and it showed that she is free of herpes. She never

intended to get herself tested for herpes -- she cured it around 1998, I

think. But, anyway, she's negative for it. The same thing happens to

people who have tested positive for HIV, or any other virus. There's a

Cure Show with a woman named who tested negative for CMV and

Epstein-Barr.

http://www.wayimmune.org/00open/contents/the_cure_show.htm#Cytomegalovirus

Now, as far as people who are on meds, in my opinion they should make their

decisions with their doctor's participation. The doctor will probably want

them to come off the meds at some point, if their viral load stays zero for

a long time, and they're certain they've really eradicated it.

All this can be known not just by medical testing, but with the testing

procedures you learn in Step 1 of the 2-Step Startup.

http://www.wayimmune.org/00open/contents/2_step.htm

My personal opinion, the way I would run my own treatment were I positive

for any virus, is that I would believe whichever test told me I still have

the virus. So if I tested negative on a medical test, but with the testing

procedure we use I tested positive, I would keep whacking anything that

moved UNTIL ALL TESTS WERE NEGATIVE before initiating medication withdrawal.

And, again, I would do it under the supervision of the doctor.

Warning: People who have great success at curing themselves commonly " fall

off the wagon " at some point -- that is, they hit something that they're

not willing to confront, go into some kind of dysfunction of the immune

system, and from there it's all downhill to death. Just recall the e-mail

dialogue I had with Deanya a few days ago. Here's somebody who cured

herpes about four years ago, had no outbreak for four years, and suddenly

she started to get an outbreak.

Yes, sure, she nipped the outbreak in the bud. It never actually

manifested physically. But the problem with HIV medications is that when a

person who has taken an HIV medication discontinues it, it MAY BE

IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GO BACK ON THAT MEDICATION. For some reason -- and

I'm no expert on this so I'm only giving you what I've heard from a few

HIV-infected people, and read in a few magazines -- they can tolerate the

drug as long as they stay on it, but if they go off it and then try to come

back on it they can't tolerate the drug(s) anymore.

And this wouldn't just be a matter of getting a little herpes outbreak and

nipping it in the bud, like Deanya did. This could be a matter of life and

death for the HIV sufferer. And I don't want to kill anybody with what I

write in this CureDrive group, so I try to err on the conservative side.

Now, oh Obsessed One, since you've never taken HIV medication you might as

well just eradicate the virus and not worry too much about anything else

I've said here. Good hunting! Write us when you've cured it. Put a

bumper sticker on your car. Celebrate your zero viral load by handing out

a thousand bumper stickers to the Gay community in your town -- here's the

page to find those:

http://www.wayimmune.org/00open/1_save_lives/bumper_quantity.htm

I appreciate you,

Bayard

At 03:35 PM 9/27/2006 +0200, you wrote:

>Hello,

>

>I think it's an interesting question obsessionman is asking.

>I'd say , and I test yes, viruses can be killed so HIV too, but

>apparently that is not what Bayard is saying here. Or am I wrong here?

>

>So what can we answer this obsessionman?

>

>Love, Esther

>

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>nderwerp:

>Re: {37,911 cures} Immunic protocol for HIV -- outline

>Van:

>obsession4_man <<mailto:obsession4_man%40>obsession4_man@...>

>Datum:

>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:56:22 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Aan:

><mailto:%40>

>

>i'm not on meds so is it possible to completely eliminate the virus.

>

>immuners <<mailto:immuners%40wayimmune.org>immuners@...> wrote:

>I've watched a bunch

>of people kill HIV on the Cure Show, on walks I

>took with them, or in my kitchen; it ain't that hard to do. And they

>feel great when they do it, physically and emotionally.

>

>But they can never stop taking their meds, because a negative test

>doesn't mean you don't have the virus. We also show them how to

>remove medication allergies, so that they don't crash on the meds.

>And this, really, is our approach to " curing " HIV. We just aim for

>total AIDS prevention. They can host the virus, but keep the viral

>load at zero, do other procedures to raise their T cell count and

>normalize other factors, remove the medication allergies, feel good,

>live a good life, enjoy themselves. Wasn't that always the objective

>of all medicine?

>

>Wouldn't this make a great TV series? I've always thought that

>anybody who produced this on television would end up owning the network.

>

>What it looks like in nature to kill HIV - two interviews

>with Chuck LaSpata are on this page::

><http://www.wayimmune.org/colleague/0lesson/0vir.htm>http://www.wayimmune.org/c\

olleague/0lesson/0vir.htm

>

>The Buzz Machine

Your friend,

Bayard

http://www.TheCureDrive.org

32,000 cures and counting

[Guest guest]

Jovan,

What I wrote to you was not a " comment, " but a clear set of

instructions about how to kill HIV. Did you follow them?

Again, you would start with the 2-Step Startup, on this page:

http://www.wayimmune.org/00open/contents/2_step.htm

Keep me appraised of your progress which, hopefully, will be

excellent; I will provide further direction as necessary.

Bayard

>

> >I've watched a bunch

> >of people kill HIV on the Cure Show, on walks I

> >took with them, or in my kitchen; it ain't that hard to do. And they

> >feel great when they do it, physically and emotionally.

> >

> >But they can never stop taking their meds, because a negative test

> >doesn't mean you don't have the virus. We also show them how to

> >remove medication allergies, so that they don't crash on the meds.

> >And this, really, is our approach to " curing " HIV. We just aim for

> >total AIDS prevention. They can host the virus, but keep the viral

> >load at zero, do other procedures to raise their T cell count and

> >normalize other factors, remove the medication allergies, feel good,

> >live a good life, enjoy themselves. Wasn't that always the objective

> >of all medicine?

> >

> >Wouldn't this make a great TV series? I've always thought that

> >anybody who produced this on television would end up owning the

network.

> >

> >What it looks like in nature to kill HIV - two interviews

> >with Chuck LaSpata are on this page::

>

><http://www.wayimmune.org/colleague/0lesson/0vir.htm>http://www.wayimmune.org/c\

olleague/0lesson/0vir.htm

> >

> >The Buzz Machine

>

> Your friend,

> Bayard

>

> http://www.TheCureDrive.org

> 32,000 cures and counting

>