Re: Re: Flush after surgery

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So what, then, causes the post surgery chronic diarrhea? Something that went

wrong in surgery? laura

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From: <Kalexan328@...>

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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:50 AM

Subject: Re: Flush after surgery

> A great site that tells all about digestion and the liver can be

> found at:

>

> http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/liver/index.

> html

>

> As the following excerpt indicates... Bile does flow constantly, yet

> it has low flows during fasting, higher flows during eating and

> highest flows when eating fats.

>

> ken

>

> -Pattern and Control of Bile Secretion

> The flow of bile is lowest during fasting, and a majority of that is

> diverted into the gallbladder for concentration. When chyme from an

> ingested meal enters the small intestine, acid and partially digested

> fats and proteins stimulate secretion of cholecystokinin and

> secretin. As discussed previously, these enteric hormones have

> important effects on pancreatic exocrine secretion. They are both

> also important for secretion and flow of bile:

>

> Cholecystokinin: The name of this hormone describes its effect on the

> biliary system - cholecysto = gallbladder and kinin = movement. The

> most potent stimulus for release of cholecystokinin is the presence

> of fat in the duodenum. Once released, it stimulates contractions of

> the gallbladder and common bile duct, resulting in delivery of bile

> into the gut.

>

>

> Secretin: This hormone is secreted in response to acid in the

> duodenum. Its effect on the biliary system is very similar to what

> was seen in the pancreas - it simulates biliary duct cells to secrete

> bicarbonate and water, which expands the volume of bile and increases

> its flow out into the intestine.

>

>

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The site wasn't easily accessed without the extension for me, and I'm assuming for others too. So here it is as a link. Great information, Ken.

DaleDa_@...

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Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 9:50 PM

Subject: Re: Flush after surgery

> A great site that tells all about digestion and the liver can be > found at:> > http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/liver/index.> html> > As the following excerpt indicates... Bile does flow constantly, yet > it has low flows during fasting, higher flows during eating and > highest flows when eating fats.> > ken> > -Pattern and Control of Bile Secretion> The flow of bile is lowest during fasting, and a majority of that is > diverted into the gallbladder for concentration. When chyme from an > ingested meal enters the small intestine, acid and partially digested > fats and proteins stimulate secretion of cholecystokinin and > secretin. As discussed previously, these enteric hormones have > important effects on pancreatic exocrine secretion. They are both > also important for secretion and flow of bile: > > Cholecystokinin: The name of this hormone describes its effect on the > biliary system - cholecysto = gallbladder and kinin = movement. The > most potent stimulus for release of cholecystokinin is the presence > of fat in the duodenum. Once released, it stimulates contractions of > the gallbladder and common bile duct, resulting in delivery of bile > into the gut.> > > Secretin: This hormone is secreted in response to acid in the > duodenum. Its effect on the biliary system is very similar to what > was seen in the pancreas - it simulates biliary duct cells to secrete > bicarbonate and water, which expands the volume of bile and increases > its flow out into the intestine. > > > > Collected testimonials:> http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials> You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups> To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups> To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups> To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups> By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself!> List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones> Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/> Have a nice day !>

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So they warned you that you would have diarrhea for a short time or what?

Do you still take the flax oil Jerome? I wonder if that would help in any

way. How do you feel otherwise? thanks. laura

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From: " Jerome " <jrobb4148@...>

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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:32 PM

Subject: Re: Flush after surgery

>

> > So what, then, causes the post surgery chronic diarrhea? Something

> that went

> > wrong in surgery? laura

> >

> >

> >

> > Since surgery I have had very hard stools, not the diarrea

> expected. I have taken psylium everyday and now am taking stool

> softeners. This has caused a terrible case of hemmeroids too. Not

> everyone is the same.

> Jerome

>

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Thanks Dale. most informative. It would be neat if they could show the flow of bile on a person without a gallbladder.

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From: Dale

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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Flush after surgery

The site wasn't easily accessed without the extension for me, and I'm assuming for others too. So here it is as a link. Great information, Ken.

DaleDa_@...

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From: <Kalexan328@...>

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Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 9:50 PM

Subject: Re: Flush after surgery

> A great site that tells all about digestion and the liver can be > found at:> > http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/liver/index.> html> > As the following excerpt indicates... Bile does flow constantly, yet > it has low flows during fasting, higher flows during eating and > highest flows when eating fats.> > ken> > -Pattern and Control of Bile Secretion> The flow of bile is lowest during fasting, and a majority of that is > diverted into the gallbladder for concentration. When chyme from an > ingested meal enters the small intestine, acid and partially digested > fats and proteins stimulate secretion of cholecystokinin and > secretin. As discussed previously, these enteric hormones have > important effects on pancreatic exocrine secretion. They are both > also important for secretion and flow of bile: > > Cholecystokinin: The name of this hormone describes its effect on the > biliary system - cholecysto = gallbladder and kinin = movement. The > most potent stimulus for release of cholecystokinin is the presence > of fat in the duodenum. Once released, it stimulates contractions of > the gallbladder and common bile duct, resulting in delivery of bile > into the gut.> > > Secretin: This hormone is secreted in response to acid in the > duodenum. Its effect on the biliary system is very similar to what > was seen in the pancreas - it simulates biliary duct cells to secrete > bicarbonate and water, which expands the volume of bile and increases > its flow out into the intestine. > > > > Collected testimonials:> http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials> You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups> To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups> To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups> To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups> By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself!> List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones> Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/> Have a nice day !> Collected testimonials:http:///messages/gallstones-testimonialsYou are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroupsTo subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroupsTo change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroupsTo change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroupsBy joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself!List Archives: http:///messages/gallstonesWeb Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/Have a nice day !

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>>So what, then, causes the post surgery chronic diarrhea? Something that

>>went

wrong in surgery? laura<<

Is there anyone on this list with this problem. I have not had this problem

since my surgery. Quite honestly, the only problem I have had is not going

nuts over all the food I can now eat, that I couldn't eat before. I have

been good since the holidays ended, and amazingly, have not gained weight.

Here is something interesting, my son and I used to arm wrestle

occassionally. I could beat him, but last year he started beating me. I

attributed this to his increasing strength. (He is 14.) I have always

been proud of my strength, and I was a bit surprised how quickly he overtook

me. Well yesterday we arm wrestled, and I beat him! Two months ago, I

wouldn't have even been able to hold my own. The strength that was being

tapped out of me due to the condition of my gallbladder is returning. I am

sure that some of you who have been able to restore health to your

gallbladder have experienced this same type of thing.

Debra

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Jerome,

I had stools which were harder than normal (not painful though) for about 2

weeks after surgery. I was told beforehand that this could be expected

because of the painkillers, so I was told many times that I would need to

drink lots of water. That was no problem for me, as I always drink between

1 and 2 liters daily anyway. Everything was normal after that two week

period. Are you drinking lots of water? It has only been a few weeks for

you, right? Your body is going through an adjustment, chances are good that

this is temporary.

Debra

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>>It would be neat if they could show the flow of bile on a person without a

>>gallbladder.<<

Just picture it all going to the small intestines, without the amount that

would get stored in the gallbladder, to be used when especially fatty foods

are eaten.

Debra

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Thanks Debra. And that is great and interesting about your strength. I ask

this because, my neighbor who is a nurse said that they surveyed patients

they sent for gallbladder removal and found that 20-30% of them had this

problem. Another friend said this was something that went wrong in surgery.

I am so glad you are feeling good! laura

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From: " D B " <fairyflight@...>

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Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:43 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Flush after surgery

> >>So what, then, causes the post surgery chronic diarrhea? Something that

> >>went

> wrong in surgery? laura<<

>

> Is there anyone on this list with this problem. I have not had this

problem

> since my surgery. Quite honestly, the only problem I have had is not

going

> nuts over all the food I can now eat, that I couldn't eat before. I have

> been good since the holidays ended, and amazingly, have not gained weight.

>

> Here is something interesting, my son and I used to arm wrestle

> occassionally. I could beat him, but last year he started beating me. I

> attributed this to his increasing strength. (He is 14.) I have always

> been proud of my strength, and I was a bit surprised how quickly he

overtook

> me. Well yesterday we arm wrestled, and I beat him! Two months ago, I

> wouldn't have even been able to hold my own. The strength that was being

> tapped out of me due to the condition of my gallbladder is returning. I

am

> sure that some of you who have been able to restore health to your

> gallbladder have experienced this same type of thing.

>

> Debra

>

>

>

>

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Thanks for the well wishes, .

Debra

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thanks Jules.

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From: " jules " <jules@...>

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Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 3:17 AM

Subject: Re: Flush after surgery

> Hi,

>

> I am just lurking intermittently on this list, but I think someone

> here asked about diarrhea after gallbladder surgery. I found this

> page and thought it might be helpful.

>

> http://www.constipation.net/publications/chapter07.html

>

> Jules

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>>Try again tomorrow and you may find that your son beats you

in arm wrestling<<

OH, I am sure that soon he will beat me every day!

I believe that weakness happens also when something is wrong in general, and

I believe my returning strength comes from more than just sleeping better.

I think part of the reason why comes from an experience i had with crystals,

believe it or not. Not exactly connected, I know. OK...here is the story.

I have a friend who was interested in crystals for a while, a long time ago.

She brought a box over to my house one day a few years ago, just to show

me. I knew nothing about crystals (still don't, really) and I certainly did

not believe in their healing properties, etc, as some folks do. She had me

pick out a crystal I liked a lot, then she had me pick out one I did not

like. She had me lay on the floor, and close my eyes. She put a crystal in

my hand, had me hold my arm up, and she tried to push it down. I resisted

the pressure well. She repeated the procedure with the other crystal. I

could not resist as all. The first time had been the crystal I was drawn

to, and the second time had been the other one. No one ever would have

convinced me that would happen. So, I guess I feel that my body is stronger

now because I have had something that was unhealthy, a negative energy,

removed from my body. I cannot prove this of course, and I may be wrong,

but that's how I feel about it.

Debra

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