Re: the way I cleanse

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on 10/1/00 11:50 AM, jonathan hull at hulltroy@... wrote:

> The way I do the cleanse is just as Hulda says

> accept I find that the longer you go without eating

> before the flush, the more successful it is.

I have found the same thing.

>Ideally,

> I think you want to have a relatively cleaned out

> colon before flushing. I drink fresh apple cider the

> day before the flush along with eating normally, the

> next day I don't eat anything but drink apple cider

> until around 2 p.m.

I prefer apple juice for three days and no food before flush. It takes about

72 hours to get all food out of gi tract - when I didn't do this it made it

harder.

michael

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Here is a compilation of what I have learned about flushing since 1975.

This may seem overly rigorous to some people however, those of us who have

been dealing with long term chronic illness tend to try to be as deep and

thorough as we can be with our home medicine methods.

I have been through irritable bowel, chronic constipation, allergies, very

severe lead poisoning, bells palsy, esophagitis, kidney surgery, very severe

headaches. Even though I am not fully out " the other side " of all this, if

you saw me today you would never know that I am still not well. I mention

this as a little inspiration for folks trying to do this who might be

wondering during nausea at 4am why the h*** they ever got into any of this.

Stick with it!

I am happy to answer any questions about anything in this email.

Liver Gall Bladder Flush

Previous to the actual flush process, it can be useful to do the following:

Chinese Bitters and Coptis Extract ­ One Bottle each ­ 3 weeks

After these are finished, go through two bottles of Gold Coin Grass ­ 1

month.

See end of article for information on these formulas.

Hydrangea Tea: Two capsules in 4 ounces of boiling water ­ let steep for 3-4

minutes ­ drink all tea including the actual ingredients in the bottom of

the cup. Doing this every 4-5 days during your preparatory period will clear

the kidneys of any crystalized material and make your flush that much

easier. High quality Hydrangea is available through many herb companies. We

appreciate the caps made by Nature¹s Sunshine.

Every monring: Walk 1-3 miles as hard as you can preceeded by two large

glasses of warm water.

Incidentally, I am finding Dr. Batmanghelidj's Rehydration Program to be a

fantastic accompaniment to flushing. His book " The Body's Many Cries for

Water " is a fantastic read. He poses that 80 per cent of all chronic illness

is caused by chronic dehydration because after age twenty we begin to lose

our sense of thirst. As a result, I have been drinking for some time now

almost a gallon a day. NOTE: The body will not rehydrate unless every 8

ounce glass is followed by a pinch of salt.

The above mentioned preparatory work makes the flushing more effective and

often much easier to do.

1)

For 5 days prior to the flush, drink as much apple cider or pure apple juice

as your appetite permits between meals. Take 30 drops of orthophos in the

apple juice 3x a day for the full five days. If you have too much trouble

with blood sugar, take 10 drops of orthophos 6 times a dayfor the five days

and do not do the apple juice. Make sure you drink OrthoPhosphoric acid

through a straw or else it will destroy the enamel on your teeth.

For those of you doing the apple juice ­ fast on the apple juice the last

2-3 days of the five days.

If the above is not acceptable because of blood sugar or apple allergy

problems, take one cap of mallic acid every 2-3 hours for five days and eat

normally with low fat. (I do not have experience with using only malic acid

caps).

Once or twice a week for one month before and then once a day for the four

days leading up to the flush apply an abdominal castor oil pak:

- Fold wool flannel so that it is 3-4 layers thick

- Saturate wool with castor oil

- Place in baking dish and heat slowly in oven so that pad becomes very

hot but not too hot to place on your skin.

- Rub castor oil onto abdomen

- Lay pak on to the abdomen

- Cover with saran wrap or plastic

- Cover with heating pad for one hour ­ keep heating pad as warm as you can

without burning skin

- Remove flannel and wash skin

- Store flannel in baking dish in zip lock bag

- If flannel becomes significantly discolored, discard.

2)

On the fifth day, take nothing but water from noon on. It is fine to take

fresh squeezed lemon or grapefruit in the water during this time.All water

taken during the flush should be distilled or R/O only.

3)

3pm drink 2 tbs of epsom salts in 6oz of warm water. A more palatable

alternative to epsom salts is magnesium citrate which can be found in most

drug stores under the name of Citroma. Drink half a bottle. It is fine to

drink a small amount of freshly squeezed citrus juice after this.

4)

5pm: Take a coffee enema with 1/4 cup of epsom salts

6pm: Drink 2 tbs of epsom salts or the other half of the bottle of Citroma

OR take another coffee enema with 1/4 to 1/2 cup of epsom salts desolved in

it. Retain for as long as you can up to 15 minutes.

- Coffee Enema

- Coffee must be organically grown ­ available at any health food store

- Enema bag

- Colon tube (also known as catheter) Find size FR22 or FR28. These are

usually available through a hospital supply or a drug store.

- Lubricant

- Coffee should be cooked in steel or glass ­ never aluminum

- Unboiled coffee is the preferred method i.e. make using a drip filter. You

can also fill pan with water, bring to a boil and immediately turn off

flame. Add the desired amount of coffee and steep until cooled to the

desired temperature. Strain and use.

- Always use distilled or R/O water for coffee enemas.

- Use 1 tsp to 4 tbs of coffee for enema and place in one quart of water. If

you experience jitteriness form the enema decrease amount used.

If you are dealing with chronic fatiqgue or epstein barr, you may want to

use yerba mate instead.

- Coffee enemas should always be done AFTER a bowel movement.

- Hang bag no more than 2 feet above the ground.

- Inserting a colon tube: Most prefer to do this on their left side.

Sometimes twisting and turning catheter helps with insertion. Some suggest

that momentarily withdrawing tube the tube slightly can help tube around

³tough corners². Never use force to get tube in. Whole procedure should be

gentle and easy. Insert as far as colon comfortably allows. The idea here is

that with a normal enema tip, liquid makes contact with the body at just

above the rectum or the end of the colon. The enema tube gets the liquid up

into the transverse colon and enables the coffee to make direct contact with

the hepatic flexure thereby stimulating the liver to increase its flow of

bile. It may take a number of these before you are fully comfortable with

the process.

- Once all or as much of the liquid as possible is in, lay on left side for

five minutes, back for five minutes and right side ffor five minutes.

- After 15 minutes expel enema.

5)

Bedtime: Take 1/2 cup of warm unrefined olive oil and blend it with 1/2 cup

of either freshly squeezed lemon or grapefruit juice.

Alternative method: Squeeze enough lemons or grapefruits to make one cup of

juice. Warm one pint of unrefined olive oil. Take four tablespoons of olive

oil, followed by a tablespoon of juice. Repeat this process every 15 minutes

until the entire pint of olive oil has been consumed. This should take 8-9

does. Then drink the remaining juice.

This alternative method can be helpful for two reasons: Some people have

trouble getting the blended juice/oil mix down and this enables one to take

a little more time to get ity down. Also, by doing it the second way, one

gets a layering effect which can facilitate a fairly even series of

expansion (lemon) and contraction (oil) as the liquid makes its way through

the liver and gallbladder.

Tips: It can be useful to rinse your mouth out with ginger ale. This almost

immediately gets rid of the taste and smell of the olive oil. Pinching one¹s

nose when taking the oil can work well too.

Any nausea felt during this process is an indication that the gall bladder

is being stimulated. Only rarely do people vomit. If vomitting occurs, as

nasty as it may taste, there has never been anything in print that says that

vomitting at this time could be dangerous.

6)

Immediately after finishing the the oil and juice, lie on your right side

with the knee drawn up to the chin for 20 minutes before going to sleep.

This encourages the oil to drain from the stomach into the small intestine.

Nausea commonly occurs during the night when the gallbladder has been

stimulated to release in this way. If there is a strong feeling of nausea in

the middle of the night or the next morning, try to relax and breathe until

it subsides. If you take your right thumb nail and dig into the webbed area

on your left hand that is between your thumb and index finger up near the

top of the webbing, you will find a distinct point that is sore to the

probing ­ dig in here to help nausea subside.

Dealing with nausea: Sometimes a mixture of peppermint and ginger tea can

help with the nausea and will not interfere with the flush. If nausea or

uncomfortableness does not subside, take a coffee enema with 1/2 cup of

epsom salt in it.

One trick that was given to me by a colonic therapist was good for severe

pain during the flush. It is assumed by many of us flushers that pain is

usually caused by a stone refusing to be evicted from its home. The

suggestion was to ingest a large bowl of whipped cream (real not fake) which

would cause the gall bladder to work in a similar fashion to the olive oil

and pop that little bugger out. While I haven't tried this myself, I have

heard from friends whoii have applied this successfully.

It can be a good idea after you have reached this point to drink as much

water as possible with aloe vera juice in it ­ 1 oz for every 8-10 ounces of

water. This helps neutralize concentrated toxins that you are getting ready

to excrete.

If little or no nausea is experienced, then take a coffee enema with 1/2 cup

of epsom salts dissolved in it the next morning anyway. One often sees many

preformed stones (green peas) come out at this time along with flaky

material that often floats on the water and sometimes yellow waxy hunks that

sometimes have white rock (calcium) in them.

Many people feel tired, loggy uncomfortable most of that day but energy

returns by next day.

Nausea, moderate pain, soreness are not to be worried about. After reading

accounts of flush participants and talking to dozens of holistic

practicitioners, I have not uncovered a single incident where someone had to

go to the hospital AS A RESULT OF OR DURING this flush.

Repeat every two to four weeks. How will you know? Judge by how you feel,

how your energy is, how refreshed you wake up in the morning, look to see if

you still have headaches. Tune into your body, trust the body ­ you¹ll know

when to repeat. Many healthy people do this either quarterly or in the

spring every year.

Explanation of Ingredients:

Apple Juice: High in malic acid. This and ortho-phosphoric acid both act as

solvents in the bile to soften adhesions between solid globules.

Epsom Salts or Magnesium Citrate (Citroma) allows magnesium to be absorbed

into the blood stream which relaxes smooth muscles so that large particles

are able to pass through a relaxed bile duct which otherwise might create a

spasm.

Olive Oil ­ Must be raw, unrefined and cold pressed ­ stimulates the gall

bladder to contract powerfully expelling solid particles kept in storage for

years.

Lemon or Grapefruit Juice - causes ducts to expand thus allowing

crystalizations to be moved out by the contraction that occurs from the

olive oil.

Coffee Enema ­ A coffee solution retained in the colon which stimulates a

unique physiological reflex which causes the liver to secrete bile. Enhances

the flow of bile and further relaxes the bile duct muscles. It is highly

recomended to ONLY use organic coffee. Also, for those who are moved to

experiment with coffee enemas, there is a process called cold brewing which

gets 90 per cent of the oils out of the coffee - ask your coffee / tea store

- they will know.

The following three formulas were formulated by: Chang,

M.Sc.(jchang@...),

a qualified organic chemist. In addition to her family tradition in the use

of Chinese herbs, she has more than ten years of experience in the natural

health business plus six years of experience

working in the medical laboratory of North York General Hospital in Toronto,

Canada. suffered significant chronic illness for many decades until

she discovered how to clear her body through detoxification of the liver,

gall bladder, kidneys and lungs. In her sixties now, she experiences

excellent consistent health. These formulas can be purchased from her by

going to:

http://www.sensiblehealth.com/prime.html#Tinctures

or calling her at: 416-248-2930

Chinese Bitters -

Chinese Gentian, Bupleurum

Liver, Gallbladder, Urinary Bladder

1/2 to 1 teaspoonful (about 5 ml) once daily on empty stomach 20-30 minutes

before breakfast.

As an effective liver purger, it has been found to help alleviate the toxic

effects from over use of medication such as painkillers or hormone

therapies. It helps digestive juice production. It alleviates mentrual cramp

and reduces uterine fibroids and ovarian cysts due to the liver's improved

efficiency in eliminating estrogens. In conjunction with Coptis, Chinese

Bitters is effective for endometriosis. It regulates menstruation and

alleviates or eliminates hot flashes experienced in menopause especially if

the symptoms are worst at night. It has also been found to promote

pregnancy. It has natural anti-inflammatory properties and has been found to

help alleviate joint or arthritic pains.

Note: Some users may experience initial headache or tightness in the head

due to detoxification. It does not usually last more than a week. Because

Chinese Bitters is a liver purger, it should not be taken at the same time

as other medication as it may negate the effects of the medication. The

taking of Chinese Bitters should be separated from medication use by at

least a meal. It is also recommended to take a 1-2 week break after each 3-4

weeks of continuous use of Chinese Bitters; otherwise the liver may be

over-purged.

Chinese Bitters is effective in decongesting the liver. However, liver

congestion is often caused by the presence of gallstones. If this is the

case, gallstones should be flushed out before liver congestion can be

relieved completely.

Gold Coin Grass Formula

Gold Coin Grass, Bupleurum

Liver, Gallbladder, Kidneys, Urinary Bladder

1 tablespoonful (about 15 ml) once daily on empty stomach 30 minutes before

breakfast.

This product is effective in softening and crushing gallstones and is useful

as a preparatory step in gallbladder flushing. Most users found their

gallbladder pain alleviated or relieved already following a few days of

using this product. Gallstones released with the use of this product prior

to gallbladder flush are generally smaller and more in numbers. Sometimes

the stones even come out in pieces.

Note: This product should never be used in conjunction with Chinese Bitters

because both work on the liver and gallbladder.

If sleep or digestion is already a problem, Coptis or Curcuma is recommended

to be taken in order to decongest the liver and help flush out the stones.

Coptis Formula

Coptis, Saussurea

Heart, Spleen, Stomach, Liver, Gallbladder, Large Intestine

1 teaspoonful (about 5 ml) to 1 tablespoonful (about 15 ml) once daily on

empty stomach before bedtime.

It is effective in stimulating bile flow and helps digestion. Many people

who already had their gallbladders removed found that using this product, in

conjunction with Chinese Bitters, is very helpful in alleviating their sleep

and digestive problems. It helps to promote better quality sleep. It helps

to eliminate estrogens more efficiently if used in conjunction with Chinese

Bitters.

Note: This product is unusually bitter. Some users may experience harder

than normal stools initially. This is normal and is caused by packed stool

due to much faster movement of the stool in the intestine as a result of

better digestion and lubrication of the intestinal walls from the surge in

bile flow. To alleviate this initial reaction, it is helpful to drink 2

glasses of warm water first thing in the morning, then exercise for 1/2 to 1

hour before taking Chinese Bitters or Gold Coin Grass (GCG). Another half

hour later, you can have breakfast. Warm water helps to activate the

instestinal movement and kidneys.

Curcuma Formula:

Curcuma, Bupleurum

Liver, Gallbladder, Heart, Lungs

1 tablespoonful (about 15 ml) once daily on empty stomach before bedtime.

It has been found to strengthen energy circulation and help sleep and

depression. It helps to resolve blood clots formed sometimes after surgery.

It improves the quality of sleep.

Liverite:

Liverite is a remarkable product that enables the liver to build and

detoxify effectively on a daily basis.

Liverite:

- Acts directly on cell metabolism to protect the liver

- Regulates enzyme levels in liver

- Increases liver¹s capacity to cope with toxins

- Aids in restoration of cell integrity ­ repairs cell damage

- Known to halt progression of early stage liver damage into life

threatening cirrhosis.

Follow up to your flush:

- Light eating over the next three days can be very helpful.

- Give up the habit of eating any red meat after 2pm. This tip comes from

Dr. (grandfather of US alternative cancer movement). He often lectured

that a really high percentage of cancer incidents would vanish if americans

would just adhere to this one practice. Has much to do with the trasit time

of meat from when it enters your body to when it leaves and also that many

people eat meat at night which causes the liver to work hard all night long.

- Regardless how you feel, always at least walk for 30-60 minutes a day.

- DRINK DRINK DRINK Water!

- Go to work on any unresolved residual anger in your life.

- When you are angry, express it - make your point fully and thoroughly and

let go.

There are many other things that could be added to this list however, they

can be found in almost any alternative medicine book, a conversation with a

decent alt med practitioner or by searching on the web.

[Guest guest]

This was quite and account of what you did over all the years. But this

really scares me to death. I have never done a flush and so I am quite

new and trying to

learn how to go about it.

But I honestly think, I could never do all this. Isn't there a simpler

way. At least for a first timer. This is much too complicated for me. I

almost am considering now of having this operation.

But thank you very much for this information.

Rose

[Guest guest]

on 10/1/00 7:58 PM, munde@... at munde@... wrote:

> This was quite and account of what you did over all the years. But this

> really scares me to death. I have never done a flush and so I am quite

> new and trying to

> learn how to go about it.

> But I honestly think, I could never do all this. Isn't there a simpler

> way. At least for a first timer. This is much too complicated for me. I

> almost am considering now of having this operation.

> But thank you very much for this information.

> Rose

Troy wrote a perfectly good version jus the other day...

> The way I do the cleanse is just as Hulda says

> accept I find that the longer you go without eating

> before the flush, the more successful it is. Ideally,

> I think you want to have a relatively cleaned out

> colon before flushing. I drink fresh apple cider the

> day before the flush along with eating normally, the

> next day I don't eat anything but drink apple cider

> until around 2 p.m. Then I stick to water. At 6 I

> drink some espom salts (holding my nose). around 7 I

> take one or two enemas to clean out the colon. at 8 I

> drink some more epsom salts. at 10 I drink the olive

> oil through a straw and lie down in fetal position on

> right side for half and hour, massaging my right side

> towards my stomach, then fall asleep. I try to think

> positive loving thoughts and visualize the process

> going on in my body. the next day I wake up whenever

> and drink some more epsom salts (3/4 cup every time w/

> 1 tblspoon salts). that usually does it for me with

> the epsom salts because they make me too nauseus

> (sp?), you're supposed (according to clark) to drink

> the last serving two hours after that and resume

> eating lightly a half hour after that. Also on waking

> up I do one or two enemas, repeat at noon, and again

> at night. This really hastens the toxin elimination I

> think, plus expelling the stones. I find myself going

> to the bathroom off and on almost all day, expelling

> nothing but stones. its great. drink apple cider

> too the second day. good luck.

>

> Troy

[Guest guest]

Rose, just curious why you think its complicated. It

only really takes a day of suffering from having to

fast, if you call that suffering, plus $5.00

ingredients and relatively good timing. then, you

repeat a week or two or three later. done. instead

of a $6000 dollar operation, a week minimum in the

hospital, abdominal pain from the surgery for weeks

after, a missing organ and possibly the failure to

correct what was wrong in the first place. the flush

is totally simple by comparison: at 6p.m. epsom salts,

again at 8 p.m., then drink some olive oil at 10 p.m.

and go to sleep. easy.

Troy

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Troy, you might think this is easy. The fasting is no problem, just all

the other stuff, enemas etc.

Plus if one has never done anything like

that, it does kind of discourage one. But maybe it is just me.

I actually like the last instructions from

Lynda a lot better and much easier to follow.

Rose

[Guest guest]

Hey Rose. I understand. I don't even do an enema. Although it would be

best. And I know it is a scary thing. I have done many flushes and I must

admit I get a little aprehensive each time. This is the way I do it, like

Dr. 's method in a way:

Organic apple juice for 3-5 days, as much as you can. I drink a quart or

more.

The day of the flush, juices till 2 pm.

Make up 3 cups water and 4 Tbs epsoms and refrigerate. Shake till dissolved.

At 6 pm take the first dose, 3/4 cup.

At 8 pm take the second dose, 3/4 cup.

At 9:45 mix up 1/2 cup extra virgin olive oil and a red grapefruit, at least

1/2 cup. Shake it thoroughly.

At 10 pm drink it down (yummy) and lie down immediately. I lie on my back

with my head up. You can also lie on your right side with your knee pulled

up.

Lie like this for 20-30 minutes, still.

Then go to sleep.

In the a.m. after 6, take the third dose and then 2 hours later, the fourth.

Everyone is different and every flush is different. I feel cruddy till

3ish. The past few flushes I have had to potty alot during the night but

still produced stones. I have done 12, about to embark on 13 this Thursday.

It has been 3 months.

Just remember we are here for each other and you will learn alot from this

group.

Take care.

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:08 AM

Subject: Re: the way I cleanse

> Troy, you might think this is easy. The fasting is no problem, just all

> the other stuff, enemas etc.

> Plus if one has never done anything like

> that, it does kind of discourage one. But maybe it is just me.

> I actually like the last instructions from

> Lynda a lot better and much easier to follow.

> Rose

>

>

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[Guest guest]

This sound much better. Yes, I am trying to learn, but if one has

never done things plus does not know much about it, then it is a bit

scary.

I know about epsom salt. My mother used it for us children numberous

times. I actually hate it because of this. So another question. Can you

use something of the same effect as epsom salt? I will do it if I have

to, but would really have a supstitute.

I just remember those things from way back.

Thanks, I am learning slowly, but surely.

Rose

[Guest guest]

on 10/2/00 7:58 PM, munde@... at munde@... wrote:

This sound much better. Yes, I am trying to learn, but if one has

never done things plus does not know much about it, then it is a bit

scary.

I know about epsom salt. My mother used it for us children numberous

times. I actually hate it because of this. So another question. Can you

use something of the same effect as epsom salt? I will do it if I have

to, but would really have a supstitute.

I just remember those things from way back.

Thanks, I am learning slowly, but surely.

Rose

Citroma can be found in any drug store - tastes like seven up without bubbles-

drink half the bottle per dose.

michael