Re: thanx, successful gb flush

[Guest guest]

>

>my doctor friend also gave me another useful tip regarding the anal

>discomfort I suffered. I'd thought that the discomfort might be caused

>by the epsom salts irritating the anal tissue, & I asked if there were

>a laxative I could use that would be less of an irritant. he said that

>the salts were probably as benign as any other laxative, and I'd

>probably suffer the same symptoms regardless of what type of laxative

>I used. he suggested I use Vaseline to coat the affected area prior to

>and during the diarrhea. I tried it, & it worked great; I suffered no

>discomfort whatsoever this time.

Thanks for this info. I just got done with my 3rd glush and YEOW!!!!!!! I'm

sore. I'll have to try that next time.

This flush wasn't as successful as the last two. Each time I get quite a

few less stones and smaller too. The first flush I did I got about 180

stones total, a few as big as a peanut. The second flush I got about 90

with nothing to write home about. They were pretty small. This, my 3rd

flush, I didn't even count them. I'll bet I didn't even get 50 out and the

ones I did get were all bright green and VERY small. About sunflower seed

size. Some were VERY oddly shaped though. One looked like a half moon, but

green. I don't know what to make of that though.

I have yet to go back to the doctor for another ultrasound. Funny how they

didn't pick up ANY gallstones at all prior to my first flush. I DID have

little polyps though. I'm hoping that by doing the parasite cleanse and the

flushes, it will be taken care of.

I'll post my results as soon as I know. We are right now in the middle of a

medical insurance company going backrupt on us and looking for another.

from IL

[Guest guest]

>I used. he suggested I use Vaseline to coat the affected area prior to>and during the diarrhea. I tried it, & it worked great; I suffered no>discomfort whatsoever this time

You also might try using cutting a vitamin E capsule open and using that instead of vaseline. Vaseline is not the best stuff to put on your skin.

[Guest guest]

Its funny how quickly we all say " oh, only about 100 stones out this

time " - it still amazes me that all this stuff was sitting there

inside me, inviting infection, clogging up the digestion. And no-one

believes till they try it themselves ...

K

> >

> >my doctor friend also gave me another useful tip regarding the anal

> >discomfort I suffered. I'd thought that the discomfort might be

caused

> >by the epsom salts irritating the anal tissue, & I asked if there

were

> >a laxative I could use that would be less of an irritant. he said

that

> >the salts were probably as benign as any other laxative, and I'd

> >probably suffer the same symptoms regardless of what type of

laxative

> >I used. he suggested I use Vaseline to coat the affected area

prior to

> >and during the diarrhea. I tried it, & it worked great; I suffered

no

> >discomfort whatsoever this time.

>

> Thanks for this info. I just got done with my 3rd glush and

YEOW!!!!!!! I'm

> sore. I'll have to try that next time.

>

> This flush wasn't as successful as the last two. Each time I get

quite a

> few less stones and smaller too. The first flush I did I got about

180

> stones total, a few as big as a peanut. The second flush I got

about 90

> with nothing to write home about. They were pretty small. This,

my 3rd

> flush, I didn't even count them. I'll bet I didn't even get 50 out

and the

> ones I did get were all bright green and VERY small. About

sunflower seed

> size. Some were VERY oddly shaped though. One looked like a half

moon, but

> green. I don't know what to make of that though.

>

> I have yet to go back to the doctor for another ultrasound. Funny

how they

> didn't pick up ANY gallstones at all prior to my first flush. I

DID have

> little polyps though. I'm hoping that by doing the parasite

cleanse and the

> flushes, it will be taken care of.

>

> I'll post my results as soon as I know. We are right now in the

middle of a

> medical insurance company going backrupt on us and looking for

another.

>

> from IL

[Guest guest]

On 12/4/00 4:09 AM, Green wrote:

>I have yet to go back to the doctor for another ultrasound. Funny how they

>didn't pick up ANY gallstones at all prior to my first flush. I DID have

>little polyps though.

There are people on this list who believe (or very much want to believe)

in the efficacy of the gallbladder flush and many (myself included) who

are still doubtful that the flushes really result in anything other than

passing solidified or " saponified " olive oil. Perhaps the truth is

somewhere in between. But one thing I have never seen on this list is

the testimony of someone who had an ultrasound that showed gallstones and

then, after flushing and passing " hundreds of stones, " had another

ultrasound (ideally by the same radiologist) that positively showed that

the stones were indeed GONE.

If the olive oil/lemon juice flush truly causes gallstones to leave the

gallbladder, where is the irrefutable evidence? Saying " I feel better "

is not proof. Photos of so-called " stones " without any independent

laboratory analysis or medical opinion confirming that they are indeed

stones is not enough, in my opinion, to confirm this as an effective

treatment for gallstones.

I don't mean to be confrontational, I've gotten a lot from this list, but

I've been researching gallstones and gallbladder disease for some time

now (since my ultrasound showed a 1.6cm stone) and I just don't see the

clinical proof that the flush works. On the other hand, gallbladder

removal seems to solve the problem for an overwhelming majority of people

with very, very low incidence of complications. I'm not in a rush to

have my gallbladder removed and I am open to real alternatives, but I'm a

journalist by training and it is very hard for me to accept anecdotal

evidence.

Whatever you may think of the Western medical establishment, it is based

on a pretty reasonable methodology: testing of a theory in a clinical

trial must show a positive result in most cases before a treatment can be

prescribed. Not to say that alternative medicine, diet, and other

approaches are not valid, I believe they certainly are, and not to say

that all treatments work for everyone - they don't, but I fear that some

of the advice given on this list - while completely well-intentioned -

needs to be taken with caution. I too have been looking for treatment

other than that which my physician is recommending, but I would be much

more comfortable if the discussion on this list was monitored: if a panel

of experts from different disciplines: MD, Surgeon, Nutritionist,

Herbalist, Homeopath, etc. would weigh in with their opinions and

experience and help us sort out hype from reality.

....Bill

[Guest guest]

Bill, I agree with you totally... I work in a hospital, and I'm in

direct consultation with several MD's who are interested in what I'm

doing... believe me, they're even more skeptical of what they see

on this and other websites than you are!

I fully intend to get another ultrasound later by the same

radiologist, but I need to do another flush (or two) first, because

the very day I posted the origin of this thread I had another gb

attack!

I'm personally not fully convinced of the medical value of the gb

flush, but it certainly doesn't harm me to try it. if it works,

great; if not, no big deal...

I sincerely hope there is some credence to be given to this procedure,

and I hope another flush or two will clean more stones out of me, but

I definitely will require verification by the radiologist to be

absolutely certain of the outcome (if you'll pardon the pun).

also, I'm taking the stones I passed yesterday to a pathologist to

analyze them... I'll be sure to post results when I have them...

> There are people on this list who believe (or very much want to

believe)

> in the efficacy of the gallbladder flush and many (myself included)

who

> are still doubtful that the flushes really result in anything other

than

> passing solidified or " saponified " olive oil. Perhaps the truth is

> somewhere in between. But one thing I have never seen on this list

is

> the testimony of someone who had an ultrasound that showed

gallstones and

> then, after flushing and passing " hundreds of stones, " had another

> ultrasound (ideally by the same radiologist) that positively showed

that

> the stones were indeed GONE.

>

> If the olive oil/lemon juice flush truly causes gallstones to leave

the

> gallbladder, where is the irrefutable evidence? Saying " I feel

better "

> is not proof. Photos of so-called " stones " without any independent

> laboratory analysis or medical opinion confirming that they are

indeed

> stones is not enough, in my opinion, to confirm this as an effective

> treatment for gallstones.

>

> I don't mean to be confrontational, I've gotten a lot from this

list, but

> I've been researching gallstones and gallbladder disease for some

time

> now (since my ultrasound showed a 1.6cm stone) and I just don't see

the

> clinical proof that the flush works. On the other hand, gallbladder

> removal seems to solve the problem for an overwhelming majority of

people

> with very, very low incidence of complications. I'm not in a rush

to

> have my gallbladder removed and I am open to real alternatives, but

I'm a

> journalist by training and it is very hard for me to accept

anecdotal

> evidence.

>

> Whatever you may think of the Western medical establishment, it is

based

> on a pretty reasonable methodology: testing of a theory in a

clinical

> trial must show a positive result in most cases before a treatment

can be

> prescribed. Not to say that alternative medicine, diet, and other

> approaches are not valid, I believe they certainly are, and not to

say

> that all treatments work for everyone - they don't, but I fear that

some

> of the advice given on this list - while completely well-intentioned

-

> needs to be taken with caution. I too have been looking for

treatment

> other than that which my physician is recommending, but I would be

much

> more comfortable if the discussion on this list was monitored: if a

panel

> of experts from different disciplines: MD, Surgeon, Nutritionist,

> Herbalist, Homeopath, etc. would weigh in with their opinions and

> experience and help us sort out hype from reality.

>

> ...Bill

[Guest guest]

Cholesterol stones are know to modern science. They may come partly

from the liver (where they begin) and possibly elsewhere. In time

the 'stones' generally get less, smaller and 'fresher'.

K

> Bill,

>

> I thought your letter was well written. I too, have learned a lot

from this

> list, and I think everyone should do what they are comfortable

with. My

> question about someone doing a flush and getting out hundreds of

stones at

> once has always been, where were all these stones before? The gall

bladder

> is a pretty little sac. If there were hundreds of stones in there,

it seems

> as if it would be impacted beyond its capacity. I, too, am not

trying to be

> confrontational. It's just an honest question I've had, but I've

been a

> little afraid to ask, because sometimes people seem to get annoyed

when

> someone questions the validity of a flush, and I had no desire to

offend

> anyone.

>

> I, too, believe that the intentions of people on this list are

good. And

> different things may work for different people.

>

> Debra

>

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[Guest guest]

I used 3/4 cup Extra Virgin Olive Oil, 1/3 cup fresh-squeezed lemon

juice. most " recipes " I've seen recommend 1/2 cup olive oil, 1/4 cup

lemon juice, & that's what I tried on my 1st (unsuccessful) flush.

some sites recommend doubling the recipe to 1 cup olive oil, 1/2 cup

lemon juice, particularly in such a case as mine. I chose to go with a

" halfway between " approach...

> > There are people on this list who believe (or very much want to

> believe)

> > in the efficacy of the gallbladder flush and many (myself

included)

> who

> > are still doubtful that the flushes really result in anything

other

> than

> > passing solidified or " saponified " olive oil. Perhaps the truth

is

> > somewhere in between. But one thing I have never seen on this

list

> is

> > the testimony of someone who had an ultrasound that showed

> gallstones and

> > then, after flushing and passing " hundreds of stones, " had another

> > ultrasound (ideally by the same radiologist) that positively

showed

> that

> > the stones were indeed GONE.

> >

> > If the olive oil/lemon juice flush truly causes gallstones to

leave

> the

> > gallbladder, where is the irrefutable evidence? Saying " I feel

> better "

> > is not proof. Photos of so-called " stones " without any

independent

> > laboratory analysis or medical opinion confirming that they are

> indeed

> > stones is not enough, in my opinion, to confirm this as an

effective

> > treatment for gallstones.

> >

> > I don't mean to be confrontational, I've gotten a lot from this

> list, but

> > I've been researching gallstones and gallbladder disease for some

> time

> > now (since my ultrasound showed a 1.6cm stone) and I just don't

see

> the

> > clinical proof that the flush works. On the other hand,

gallbladder

> > removal seems to solve the problem for an overwhelming majority of

> people

> > with very, very low incidence of complications. I'm not in a rush

> to

> > have my gallbladder removed and I am open to real alternatives,

but

> I'm a

> > journalist by training and it is very hard for me to accept

> anecdotal

> > evidence.

> >

> > Whatever you may think of the Western medical establishment, it is

> based

> > on a pretty reasonable methodology: testing of a theory in a

> clinical

> > trial must show a positive result in most cases before a treatment

> can be

> > prescribed. Not to say that alternative medicine, diet, and other

> > approaches are not valid, I believe they certainly are, and not to

> say

> > that all treatments work for everyone - they don't, but I fear

that

> some

> > of the advice given on this list - while completely

well-intentioned

> -

> > needs to be taken with caution. I too have been looking for

> treatment

> > other than that which my physician is recommending, but I would be

> much

> > more comfortable if the discussion on this list was monitored: if

a

> panel

> > of experts from different disciplines: MD, Surgeon, Nutritionist,

> > Herbalist, Homeopath, etc. would weigh in with their opinions and

> > experience and help us sort out hype from reality.

> >

> > ...Bill

>

>

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