Jump to content
RemedySpot.com

Re: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Rate this topic

Guest guest

By Guest guest
in Health, Medicine and Natural Healing 09

 Share

Recommended Posts

Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear All:

Jammu and Kashmir is among the few States in the country that is in the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600 practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM). Jammu

and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme.

Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine, in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the process of integration to succeed.

The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

(i) the quality of professionals,

(ii) academic excellence in teaching,

(iii) path-breaking research, and

(iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational usage taught to all practitioners.

With regards

Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

Website: http://ishaqgeer.googlepages.com

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99@...>netrum Cc: Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@...>; Dr RN Acharya <nprcasu@...>; ga lib <galib14@...>Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AMSubject: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ..."Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th."The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the yearsbecome a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too! Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their

counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and "Accepting" approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. orghttp://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear Dr Geer ,Dr Chetana and all

 

Congratulations for  points suggested for advancement of systems of medicines called as TM and by  many more terms.Thanks for  all important informations regarding Jammu & Kasmir.

 

IIIM  ( CSIR unit ) is in Jammu and contributing superbly to the cause.

 

I do remember that back 1987  ( read year of my admission in BAMS course ) in UP a WHO scheme was implemented that every PHC would have an Ayurvedic doctor and postings was made accordingly.But it was not acceptable to many persons of both side and ultimately all Ayurvedic doctors were shifted to deptt of Ayurveda of UP govt till 1994 on post vacant in this department. In this act consumer benefit was never under consideration by administrators of govt of UP.

 

As per my informations from very reliable sources that in Germany and China TM and Allopathy are available under single roof.

 

There are several issues (programmes launched by Govt and NGO ) and diseases where we must  work in

 collaboration in benefit of common men of our country.

 

Of course there are research papers on Herb drug interaction which needs our attention.But why we are ignoring those good research papers which are advocating simultaneous use of Ayurvedic  and Allopathic medicines in specific cases and interesting fact is this that these papers are published in same journals and authored by very reputed experts.I know one Professor of Respiratory disease deptt of my institute who always  use liver protective medicines of Ayurveda along with ATT schedule.

 

One may be surprised that One professor of Medicine is sitting in Ayurvedic OPD of our institute and prescribe many Ayurvedic medicines to his patients.

 

It is necessary to put this fact on record that over 90% of Ayurvedic consultants of our institute are prescribing medicines of both systems which create a bad name to Ayurveda , some times.Perhaps our institute is single institute in country where both pathies are being taught .Students of Ayurveda  (PG) are trained in Applied Anatomy,Physiology,Pharmacology and Pathology by faculty of Modern medicine.And this is one reason why  AY Products of this institute practice with integrative approach.It is not vice versa Ayurvedic faculty is no where involve in teaching of allopathy.Rarely co supervision is offered to us in PG dissertations

 

This is also true that many faculty of allopathy do not recognise Ayurvedic system of medicine.

 

We found that every lecturer of allopathy  laugh loudly on us .Readers in moderate way and very surprising to us that 80 % Professors listen us carefully and guide us in our projects and PG dissertations with legal resposbilities. Lectures refuse to do so because at that time of their career what they  understand to themselves they know better.Reason behind this trained may be search out and revealed.

 

I do believe that medicine of future will be integrative with co existence of good things of every pathy in interest of ailing humanity.

 

I regret that I could not participate in previous discussion due to certain reasons. Just today I had gone through all the postings of Dr Mangesh moderation and felt apologetic about me that why I missed all those quality discussions.I congratulate all learned participants and moderator for the job done.

 

We are very thankful to all scholars of netrum for their views expressed on forum which is helping us in understanding of the subject and indeed criticism with particular  mind set of certain division of  people encourage us for befitting reply with collaboratory works with scholars of same stature.

 

With regards,Anand Chaudhary

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer@...> wrote:

Dear All:

 

Jammu and Kashmir is among the few States in the country that is in the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600 practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM). Jammu and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme. 

 

Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine, in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the process of integration to succeed.

 

The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

(i) the quality of professionals,

(ii) academic excellence in teaching,

(iii) path-breaking research, and

(iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

 

Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational usage taught to all practitioners.

 

With regards

 

Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

Website: http://ishaqgeer.googlepages.com

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99@...>netrum

Cc: Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@...>; Dr RN Acharya <nprcasu@...>; ga lib <galib14@...>

Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AMSubject: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ... " Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th.

" The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the years

become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too!

Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.

I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...1.  What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments? 2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.

Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

-- Anand ChaudharyDeptt of Rasa Shastra(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)Faculty of AyuvedaInstitute of Medical Sciences

Banaras Hindu UniversityVARANASI 221005Cell 945207448098898638660542-2366900®

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear AnandIt was quite an informative and " Heartfelt " post. I agree with you. There are popular mindsets about certain issues that are difficult to overcome. Coexistence of pathies is one of them. It is indeed a sorry state of affairs that systems of medicine as ancient and indigenous as Ayurveda, Yoga and naturopathy face the flak in our own country, while the other countries lap it up and even go ahead with getting patents for them (remember turmeric, some of the popular yoga gurus are in the west!). This was one of the reasons for initiating this topic.

We would like to have your suggestions on how we could use these pathies together. Is it possible. In allopathy, the major concern is about drug interactions and soem unknown adverse drug reactions that may occur. But the rules of treatment in Ayurveda and other systems are more stringent, therefore making concurrent allopathy almost impalusible.

Any views....??Chetna2009/4/10 Anand Chaudhary <ayurasabhaishja@...>

Dear Dr Geer ,Dr Chetana and all

 

Congratulations for  points suggested for advancement of systems of medicines called as TM and by  many more terms.Thanks for  all important informations regarding Jammu & Kasmir.

 

IIIM  ( CSIR unit ) is in Jammu and contributing superbly to the cause.

 

I do remember that back 1987  ( read year of my admission in BAMS course ) in UP a WHO scheme was implemented that every PHC would have an Ayurvedic doctor and postings was made accordingly.But it was not acceptable to many persons of both side and ultimately all Ayurvedic doctors were shifted to deptt of Ayurveda of UP govt till 1994 on post vacant in this department. In this act consumer benefit was never under consideration by administrators of govt of UP.

 

As per my informations from very reliable sources that in Germany and China TM and Allopathy are available under single roof.

 

There are several issues (programmes launched by Govt and NGO ) and diseases where we must  work in

 collaboration in benefit of common men of our country.

 

Of course there are research papers on Herb drug interaction which needs our attention.But why we are ignoring those good research papers which are advocating simultaneous use of Ayurvedic  and Allopathic medicines in specific cases and interesting fact is this that these papers are published in same journals and authored by very reputed experts.I know one Professor of Respiratory disease deptt of my institute who always  use liver protective medicines of Ayurveda along with ATT schedule.

 

One may be surprised that One professor of Medicine is sitting in Ayurvedic OPD of our institute and prescribe many Ayurvedic medicines to his patients.

 

It is necessary to put this fact on record that over 90% of Ayurvedic consultants of our institute are prescribing medicines of both systems which create a bad name to Ayurveda , some times.Perhaps our institute is single institute in country where both pathies are being taught .Students of Ayurveda  (PG) are trained in Applied Anatomy,Physiology,Pharmacology and Pathology by faculty of Modern medicine.And this is one reason why  AY Products of this institute practice with integrative approach.It is not vice versa Ayurvedic faculty is no where involve in teaching of allopathy.Rarely co supervision is offered to us in PG dissertations

 

This is also true that many faculty of allopathy do not recognise Ayurvedic system of medicine.

 

We found that every lecturer of allopathy  laugh loudly on us .Readers in moderate way and very surprising to us that 80 % Professors listen us carefully and guide us in our projects and PG dissertations with legal resposbilities. Lectures refuse to do so because at that time of their career what they  understand to themselves they know better.Reason behind this trained may be search out and revealed.

 

I do believe that medicine of future will be integrative with co existence of good things of every pathy in interest of ailing humanity.

 

I regret that I could not participate in previous discussion due to certain reasons. Just today I had gone through all the postings of Dr Mangesh moderation and felt apologetic about me that why I missed all those quality discussions.I congratulate all learned participants and moderator for the job done.

 

We are very thankful to all scholars of netrum for their views expressed on forum which is helping us in understanding of the subject and indeed criticism with particular  mind set of certain division of  people encourage us for befitting reply with collaboratory works with scholars of same stature.

 

With regards,Anand Chaudhary

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer@...> wrote:

Dear All:

 

Jammu and Kashmir is among the few States in the country that is in the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600 practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM). Jammu and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme. 

 

Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine, in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the process of integration to succeed.

 

The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

(i) the quality of professionals,

(ii) academic excellence in teaching,

(iii) path-breaking research, and

(iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

 

Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational usage taught to all practitioners.

 

With regards

 

Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

Website: http://ishaqgeer.googlepages.com

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99@...>netrum

Cc: Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@...>; Dr RN Acharya <nprcasu@...>; ga lib <galib14@...>

Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AMSubject: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ... " Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th.

" The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the years

become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too!

Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.

I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...1.  What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments? 2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.

Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

-- Anand ChaudharyDeptt of Rasa Shastra(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)Faculty of AyuvedaInstitute of Medical Sciences

Banaras Hindu UniversityVARANASI 221005Cell 945207448098898638660542-2366900®

-- Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org

http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.comwww.poliofoundation.org

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear Dr. Chetna and all NetRUMians,

Good topic to discuss.

Ayurveda is based on purification and balancing of three doshas. It tries to treat body, mind and soul as a whole. While moderm medicine (I will not call it as allopathy) tries to treat disease and not a human being as a whole. Moderm medicines interfere with body's systems, homeostatic mechanisms.

Ayurveda has definite value in maintaining health. It has nicely described diet and other habits according to different seasons (Ritucharya).

For minor ailments and chronic diseases also where modern medicine is having its own limitations, ayurveda is the best.

But for emergency life saving moments, modern medicines are having their beneficiary results.

Now we can plan collaboration of different pathies looking to above facts.

With regards,

Bharat Gajjar.

DR. BHARAT GAJJAR

ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR,

DEPARTMENT OF PHARMACOLOGY,

PRAMUKHSWAMI MEDICAL COLLEGE,

KARAMSAD-388325.

DIST.-ANAND (GUJARAT) INDIA.

MOBILE- 09428153344.

Dear All:

Jammu and Kashmir is among the few States in the country that is in the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600 practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM). Jammu

and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme.

Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine, in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the process of integration to succeed.

The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

(i) the quality of professionals,

(ii) academic excellence in teaching,

(iii) path-breaking research, and

(iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational usage taught to all practitioners.

With regards

Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>netrumgroups (DOT) comCc: Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@ gmail.com>; Dr RN Acharya <nprcasugmail (DOT) com>; ga lib <galib14 (DOT) co.in>Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AMSubject: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ..."Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th."The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the yearsbecome a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too! Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their

counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and "Accepting" approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments? 2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

-- Anand ChaudharyDeptt of Rasa Shastra(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)Faculty of AyuvedaInstitute of Medical Sciences Banaras Hindu UniversityVARANASI 221005Cell 945207448098898638660542-2366900( R)

-- Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. orghttp://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

hello,

coexistance of pathies is a welcome step since it takes the best of all pathies and the ultimate beneficiary is the patient.

kunda

Dear All:

Jammu and Kashmir is among the few States in the country that is in the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600 practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM). Jammu

and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme.

Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine, in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the process of integration to succeed.

The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

(i) the quality of professionals,

(ii) academic excellence in teaching,

(iii) path-breaking research, and

(iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational usage taught to all practitioners.

With regards

Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>netrumgroups (DOT) comCc: Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@ gmail.com>; Dr RN Acharya <nprcasugmail (DOT) com>; ga lib <galib14 (DOT) co.in>Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40

AMSubject: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ..."Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th."The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the yearsbecome a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too! Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their

counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and "Accepting" approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments? 2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

-- Anand ChaudharyDeptt of Rasa Shastra(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)Faculty of AyuvedaInstitute of Medical Sciences Banaras Hindu UniversityVARANASI 221005Cell 945207448098898638660542-2366900( R)

-- Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. orghttp://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear Dr Gajjar and Madam Welcome..its nice to have your valuable opinions on this topicWe all agree to agree about coexistence of pathies...sounds nice..but how and what are the dos and donts. Some inpurs required.

Madam, do you come across patients who use medicines from multiple sysyems of medicne...maybe we could draw from your learned experience in hopsital pharmacy.Best regardsChetna2009/4/10 kunda gharpure <gharpurekunda@...>

hello,

 coexistance of pathies is a welcome step since it takes the best of all pathies and the ultimate beneficiary is the patient.

kunda

Dear All:

 

Jammu and Kashmir is among the few States in the country that is in the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600 practitioners awaiting recruitment.  Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM). Jammu

and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme. 

 

Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine, in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the process of integration to succeed.

 

The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

(i) the quality of professionals,

(ii) academic excellence in teaching,

(iii) path-breaking research, and

(iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

 

Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational usage taught to all practitioners.

 

With regards

 

Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>netrumgroups (DOT) com

Cc: Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@ gmail.com>; Dr RN Acharya <nprcasugmail (DOT) com>; ga lib <galib14 (DOT) co.in>

Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40

AMSubject: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ... " Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th.

" The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the years

become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too!

Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their

counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...

1.  What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments? 2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.

Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

-- Anand ChaudharyDeptt of Rasa Shastra(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)Faculty of AyuvedaInstitute of Medical Sciences

Banaras Hindu UniversityVARANASI 221005Cell 945207448098898638660542-2366900( R)

-- Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

-- Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org

http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.comwww.poliofoundation.org

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear Dr GeerSorry I took some time to respond, but your mail merited a detailed reading..The initiatives taken by J and K are commendable. I see a lot of scope for integration here. Apart from the measures you mentioned, I would also suggest that the practitioners of various disciplines are provided a platform to interact and coexist. There could be sharing of resources and knowledge to grow, especially in areas of clinical research. We could also encourage drug utilisation research and focussed pharmacovigilance to gather the relevant statistics.

Chetna2009/4/10 Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer@...>

Dear All:

 

Jammu and Kashmir is among the few States in the country that is in the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600 practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM). Jammu

and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme. 

 

Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine, in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the process of integration to succeed.

 

The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

(i) the quality of professionals,

(ii) academic excellence in teaching,

(iii) path-breaking research, and

(iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

 

Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational usage taught to all practitioners.

 

With regards

 

Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

Website: http://ishaqgeer.googlepages.com

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99@...>netrum

Cc: Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@...>; Dr RN Acharya <nprcasu@...>; ga lib <galib14@...>

Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AMSubject: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ... " Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th.

" The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the years

become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too!

Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their

counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...

1.  What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.

Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

-- Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org

http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.comwww.poliofoundation.org

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear allPlease have a look at the article from this linkhttp://medind.nic.in/ibi/t07/i1/ibit07i1p52.pdfIt outlines a DU study carried out in Jammu, and documents the extent and nature of prescribing by the allopaths vs the practitioners of ayurveda.

Inviting views on this..Best wishesChetna2009/4/10 Chetna Desai <chetna99@...>

Dear Dr GeerSorry I took some time to respond, but your mail merited a detailed reading..The initiatives taken by J and K are commendable. I see a lot of scope for integration here. Apart from the measures you mentioned, I would also suggest that the practitioners of various disciplines are provided a platform to interact and coexist. There could be sharing of resources and knowledge to grow, especially in areas of clinical research. We could also encourage drug utilisation research and focussed pharmacovigilance to gather the relevant statistics.

Chetna2009/4/10 Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer@...>

Dear All:

 

Jammu and Kashmir is among the few States in the country that is in the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600 practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM). Jammu

and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme. 

 

Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine, in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the process of integration to succeed.

 

The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

(i) the quality of professionals,

(ii) academic excellence in teaching,

(iii) path-breaking research, and

(iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

 

Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational usage taught to all practitioners.

 

With regards

 

Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

Website: http://ishaqgeer.googlepages.com

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99@...>netrum

Cc: Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@...>; Dr RN Acharya <nprcasu@...>; ga lib <galib14@...>

Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AMSubject: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ... " Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th.

" The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the years

become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too!

Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their

counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...

1.  What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.

Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

-- Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org

http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.comwww.poliofoundation.org

-- Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org

http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.comwww.poliofoundation.org

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear Madam Chetna:

Here are a few suggestions regarding how to achieve the goal of co-existence of

variouos pathies, mostly drawn from a report of the Commission on

Macro-economics and Health (India):

A suggestion gaining ground is for medical courses to include Yoga and the ISM

so that students are able to get the best of all aspects of medical knowledge.

Another proposal before the Government is to have a medical facility combining

western medicine and ISM to provide comprehensive medical treatment as it is not

possible to open hospitals having facilities for only traditional medicine

.Similarly, the World Health Organization (WHO) has been emphasizing that

inclusion of TM in health care would have a positive impact. It would be

particularly so if the practitioners of TM are also trained in certain key

elements of allopathy and vice versa.

The scope of cross-pathies in the promotion of health and prevention of diseases

is immense. Particularly for chronic and degenerative diseases, ISM have much to

offer to modern medicine. At all levels of health care-the home, school,

community, dispensaries, nursing homes and hospitals-the integrative elements of

ISM have to be identified, procured and deployed. There is an urgent need to

carry out Ayurvedic pharmacoepidemiological studies to identify drug and

non-drug modalities widely used in the field. Studies have been initiated for

diabetes mellitus and arthritis.

Ayurvedic/Unani (ISM) physicians have to be incorporated into all PHC teams,

with adequate therapeutic resources at their disposal. They should be trained in

basic PHC skills and emergency obstetrics Desai, Sadhana, FOGSI,2005).

All municipal and district-level hospitals should have full-fledged ISM

outpatient departments (OPDs) and wards, panchakarma and dispensaries with

adequate resources. The hospital management should be sensitized and trained to

give due importance to ISM in patient care.

Tertiary medical centres should have advanced ISM centres, incorporating

education, research and sophisticated services. Private-public partnerships will

have to be encouraged. Charitable status will be granted to hospitals depending

on the size of the infrastructure and usage of ISM, defined on a case-by-case

basis, such as general hospitals, specialty hospitals, etc.

Health being a State subject, there is an urgent need to appoint a Director of

Integrative Medicine (DIM) in each State, empowered with resources, personnel

and reporting relationships (directly to the Chief Minister [CM]). As statewide

needs are different and will have to be differentiated even further at the

district levels, the DIM will have a Board of IM (BIM) to draw up the programme,

with projects according to horizon priorities. Budgetary needs and

resource-raising have to be the responsibility of the BIM, with a sizeable but

accountable allocation from the Central Government. The current allocation of Rs

150 crore to the Department of AYUSH is miniscule and has to be raised at least

ten-fold,as soon as possible, to assist the DIM. States will also have to evolve

public-private resources.

With regards

Geer M. Ishaq

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Dear All:

> >>>

> >>> *Jammu and Kashmir* is among the few States in the country that is in

> >>> the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the

> >>> allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600

doctors

> >>> from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with

the

> >>> allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600

> >>> practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare

> >>> Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the

> >>> doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like

> >>> once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed

> >>> that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health

> >>> centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani

> >>> medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission

> >>> (NRHM). Jammu and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani

> >>> Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It

> >>> also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of

> >>> Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research

> >>> Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will

> >>> promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research

> >>> programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the

> >>> synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine,

> >>> in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to

> >>> clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic

> >>> considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of

> >>> integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in

> >>> health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a

> >>> model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the

> >>> process of integration to succeed.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

> >>>

> >>> (i) the quality of professionals,

> >>>

> >> (ii) academic excellence in teaching,

> >>

> >> (iii) path-breaking research, and

> >>

> >> (iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

> >>

> >

> >

> > Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of

> > modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda

> > teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including

> > imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well

> > equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in

> > emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary

> > resuscitation.

> >

> > Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational

> > usage taught to all practitioners.

> >

> > With regards

> >

> > *Dr. Geer M. Ishaq*

> > Assistant Professor

> > Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

> > University of Kashmir

> > Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

> > Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

> > Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages.

com<http://ishaqgeer.googlepages.com/>

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > *From:* Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT)

com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=chetna99@...>

> > >

> > *To:* netrumgroups (DOT)

com<http://us.mc01g.mail...com/mc/compose?to=netrum >

> > *Cc:* Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@

gmail.com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=urmilathatte@...>>;

> > Dr RN Acharya <nprcasugmail (DOT)

com<http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=nprcasu@...>>;

> > ga lib <galib14 (DOT)

co.in<http://us.mc01g.mail...com/mc/compose?to=galib14@...>

> > >

> > *Sent:* Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AM

> > *Subject:* Coexistence of pathies in patient care

> >

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > Welcome back to a new discussion ...

> >

> > * " Coexistence of pathies in patient care..*.beginning today and lasting

> > until 15th.

> >

> > " The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist of

> > Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga and

> > Naturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the

> > years

> > become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H

> > practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums

> > and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their

> > due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised

> > and commercialised too!

> >

> > Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern

> > systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at

> > worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!

> > So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open

> > and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on

> > this, through this forum.

> >

> > I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...

> > 1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning,

> > how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of

> > medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

> > 2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?

> > 3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the

> > patient's advantage? If so, how?

> >

> > We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint

> > of time.

> > Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians.

> >

> > Happy posting

> >

> > Dr Chetna Desai

> > Department of Pharmacology

> > B. J. Medical College

> > Ahmedabad 380016

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit

> > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org/>

> > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.com/>

> > www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofoundation.org/>

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them

now.<http://in.rd...com/tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger./inv\

ite/>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Anand Chaudhary

> > Deptt of Rasa Shastra

> > (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)

> > Faculty of Ayuveda

> > Institute of Medical Sciences

> > Banaras Hindu University

> > VARANASI 221005

> > Cell 9452074480

> > 9889863866

> > 0542-2366900( R)

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Dr Chetna Desai

> > Department of Pharmacology

> > B. J. Medical College

> > Ahmedabad 380016

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit

> > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org/>

> > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.com/>

> > www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofoundation.org/>

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them

now.<http://in.rd./tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger./invi\

te/>

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr Chetna Desai

> Department of Pharmacology

> B. J. Medical College

> Ahmedabad 380016

>

>

>

> Visit

> http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org

> http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.com

> www.poliofoundation.org

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

hello,

In response to Chetna's suggestion about DU studies I would like to give findings from one of our studies where we found that out of the people we selected for study,89.8% literate people of Nagpur used a mix of different pathies for the same ailment. This may or may not be on the advice of a physician but people do believe in coexistance of pathies.

kunda

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99@...>Subject: Re: Coexistence of pathies in patient carenetrum Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 9:30 PM

Dear allPlease have a look at the article from this linkhttp://medind. nic.in/ibi/ t07/i1/ibit07i1p 52.pdfIt outlines a DU study carried out in Jammu, and documents the extent and nature of prescribing by the allopaths vs the practitioners of ayurveda.Inviting views on this..Best wishesChetna

2009/4/10 Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>

Dear Dr GeerSorry I took some time to respond, but your mail merited a detailed reading..The initiatives taken by J and K are commendable. I see a lot of scope for integration here. Apart from the measures you mentioned, I would also suggest that the practitioners of various disciplines are provided a platform to interact and coexist. There could be sharing of resources and knowledge to grow, especially in areas of clinical research. We could also encourage drug utilisation research and focussed pharmacovigilance to gather the relevant statistics.Chetna

2009/4/10 Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer (DOT) co.in>

Dear All:

Jammu and Kashmir is among the few States in the country that is in the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600 practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM). Jammu

and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme.

Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine, in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the process of integration to succeed.

The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

(i) the quality of professionals,

(ii) academic excellence in teaching,

(iii) path-breaking research, and

(iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational usage taught to all practitioners.

With regards

Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>

netrumgroups (DOT) comCc: Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@ gmail.com>; Dr RN Acharya <nprcasugmail (DOT) com>; ga lib <galib14 (DOT) co.in>Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AMSubject: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ..."Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th."The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the yearsbecome a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too! Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their

counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and "Accepting" approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

--

Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation ..org-- Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. orghttp://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Connect with friends all over the world.. Get India Messenger.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

True madam

the article I posted also suggests the same. Most patients self medicate. Many traditional prparations are available as OTC products and are advertised vividly and widely! But its also true that prescribers of both dsciplines prescribe medicines from other pathies too...

chetna

2009/4/10 kunda gharpure <gharpurekunda@...>

hello,

 In response to Chetna's suggestion about DU studies I would like to give findings from one of our studies where we found that out of the people we selected for study,89.8%  literate people of Nagpur used a mix of different pathies for the same ailment. This may or may not be on the advice of a physician but people do believe in coexistance of pathies.

kunda

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99@...>Subject: Re: Coexistence of pathies in patient carenetrum

Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 9:30 PM

Dear allPlease have a look at the article from this linkhttp://medind. nic.in/ibi/ t07/i1/ibit07i1p 52.pdf It outlines a DU study carried out in Jammu, and documents the extent and nature of prescribing by the allopaths vs the practitioners of ayurveda.Inviting views on this..Best wishes

Chetna

2009/4/10 Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>

Dear Dr GeerSorry I took some time to respond, but your mail merited a detailed reading..The initiatives taken by J and K are commendable. I see a lot of scope for integration here. Apart from the measures you mentioned, I would also suggest that the practitioners of various disciplines are provided a platform to interact and coexist. There could be sharing of resources and knowledge to grow, especially in areas of clinical research. We could also encourage drug utilisation research and focussed pharmacovigilance to gather the relevant statistics.

Chetna

2009/4/10 Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer (DOT) co.in>

Dear All:

 

Jammu and Kashmir is among the few States in the country that is in the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600 practitioners awaiting recruitment.  Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM). Jammu and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme. 

 

Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine, in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the process of integration to succeed.

 

The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

(i) the quality of professionals,

(ii) academic excellence in teaching,

(iii) path-breaking research, and

(iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

 

Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational usage taught to all practitioners.

 

With regards

 

Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>

netrumgroups (DOT) comCc: Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@ gmail.com>; Dr RN Acharya <nprcasugmail (DOT) com>; ga lib <galib14 (DOT) co.in>

Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AMSubject: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ... " Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th.

" The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the years

become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too!

Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.

I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...1.  What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments? 2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.

Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

--

Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation ..org

--

Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Connect with friends all over the world.. Get India Messenger.

-- Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit

http://www.pharmacologybjmc.orghttp://pharmacbjmc.110mb.comwww.poliofoundation.org

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear Madam,

It is really pathetic to see a mixture of pathies for treatment of various diseases.

Some preparations like cough mixtures and liver tonics come with similar names in both ayurvedic and allopathic systems. So, it is a doctor's duty to check the individual ingredients in each mixture before prescribing. For OTC preparations, pharmacist should explain to the patient about the ingredients before dispensing.

Many drug interactions have been reported following intake of this 'cocktail' of pathies

Anupama

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Coexistence of pathies in patient carenetrumgroups (DOT) comDate: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 9:30 PM

Dear allPlease have a look at the article from this linkhttp://medind. nic.in/ibi/ t07/i1/ibit07i1p 52.pdf It outlines a DU study carried out in Jammu, and documents the extent and nature of prescribing by the allopaths vs the practitioners of ayurveda.Inviting views on this..Best wishesChetna

2009/4/10 Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>

Dear Dr GeerSorry I took some time to respond, but your mail merited a detailed reading..The initiatives taken by J and K are commendable. I see a lot of scope for integration here. Apart from the measures you mentioned, I would also suggest that the practitioners of various disciplines are provided a platform to interact and coexist. There could be sharing of resources and knowledge to grow, especially in areas of clinical research. We could also encourage drug utilisation research and focussed pharmacovigilance to gather the relevant statistics.Chetna

2009/4/10 Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer (DOT) co.in>

Dear All:

Jammu and Kashmir is among the few States in the country that is in the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600 practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM). Jammu

and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme.

Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine, in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the process of integration to succeed.

The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

(i) the quality of professionals,

(ii) academic excellence in teaching,

(iii) path-breaking research, and

(iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational usage taught to all practitioners.

With regards

Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>

netrumgroups (DOT) comCc: Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@ gmail.com>; Dr RN Acharya <nprcasugmail (DOT) com>; ga lib <galib14 (DOT) co.in>

Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AMSubject: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ..."Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th."The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the yearsbecome a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too! Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their

counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and "Accepting" approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments? 2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

--

Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation ..org--

Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Connect with friends all over the world.. Get India Messenger.

-- Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. orghttp://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear Netruvians,Let me congradulate everybody who intiated this debate on co-existence of pathies. This is an encouraging event especially because the debate appears to be initiated by our modern medicine friends. It suggests that our friends have realized their limitations and are ready to look in other systems of medicine. I remember some 25 yrs back I met with an occassion to participate a debate on Rationality of systems of medicine. Incidently I had an opprtunity to plead the case of Ayurveda. The debate was organized by Mharashtra Rationalist Association. The debate was dominated naturally by modern medicine doctors and it was argued that only modern medicine has a rationalistic approach. However we could create a dent in their thoght process but still pro- modern medicine wave was very much strong in those days. Comparatively the

new change is a welcome moment. Still at high decision making level in modern medicine circle the resistance is very strong. All attempts to introduce Ayurved officially in medical education as well as health services failed and fails miserably. Non-Allopathic systems of medicine are never taken into account whenever statistical analysis of medical education and health service is discussed for policy purposes at National level is a hard fact. Today the requirement of Ayurved and other systems is being discussed in a subdued tone. Many times time demanding compulsions invite participation from Ayurved experts. Mockery is that on such occassions high profile people from modern medicine are invited to represent Ayurved as Ayurveda experts on national and international level. These people may be very highly reputed and exemplary experts in their own field but for Ayurveda their words can not be relied upon. This shows the

casual approach towards Ayurveda at decision taking level. It also shows that our policy on non-allopathic medical education and health service sector is a total failure. As our decision makers can not find any Ayurved experts even though we are having more than 250 Ayurveda institutes including >50 post graduate and three national level institutes in existence for more than 50 years in our country.In such is a situation we should shut down the shutters for Ayurveda. Still some stars do shine in the dark sky. This little shinig or glittering is a result of individual performance and nowhere represents administrative or policy success.Bajaj committee in the past has suggested a three tier system in medical education where a common basic tier for all systems was suggested and at the completion of first tier one will have to choose a specific system of medicine and at the third tier he will choose subject of specializtion.

Although this approach appears to be good but it will not and is not accepted by us. Another approach which I will like to suggest is that the doors of all systems should be opened at post graduate level and interpathy exchange of scholars may be permitted. By this way every system will be benefited. But for this to occur first the modern medicine people will have to mentally arrive on a common platform and uniform level with their counterparts in other system. In the preent situation however ideal it may appear to expect all systems working together hand in hand; the thruth is that we have kept the non-allopathic systems of medicine totally under or rather malnourished in our country. Whatever growth is observed in these systems is not a growth it is an oedema. To make these systems stand with allopathy they need a well ballanced nutrition and that too on the principles of Ayurveda. This principle says that first you have to ignite

the jatharagni and then feed the Agni slowly. If heavy food is given to Agni without ignition the agni will be extinguished and the patient will die.FromProf. Dr. S. S. Savrikar

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Coexistence of pathies in patient carenetrumgroups (DOT) comDate: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 9:30 PM

Dear allPlease have a look at the article from this linkhttp://medind. nic.in/ibi/ t07/i1/ibit07i1p 52.pdf It outlines a DU study carried out in Jammu, and documents the extent and nature of prescribing by the allopaths vs the practitioners of ayurveda.Inviting views on this..Best wishesChetna

2009/4/10 Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>

Dear Dr GeerSorry I took some time to respond, but your mail merited a detailed reading..The initiatives taken by J and K are commendable. I see a lot of scope for integration here. Apart from the measures you mentioned, I would also suggest that the practitioners of various disciplines are provided a platform to interact and coexist. There could be sharing of resources and knowledge to grow, especially in areas of clinical research. We could also encourage drug utilisation research and focussed pharmacovigilance to gather the relevant statistics.Chetna

2009/4/10 Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer (DOT) co.in>

Dear All:

Jammu and Kashmir is among the few States in the country that is in the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600 practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission (NRHM).

Jammu

and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme.

Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine, in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the process of

integration to succeed.

The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

(i) the quality of professionals,

(ii) academic excellence in teaching,

(iii) path-breaking research, and

(iv) development of high performance in clinical services.

Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational usage taught to all practitioners.

With regards

Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

Assistant Professor

Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

University of Kashmir

Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971

Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com>

netrumgroups (DOT) comCc: Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@ gmail.com>; Dr RN Acharya <nprcasugmail (DOT) com>; ga lib <galib14 (DOT) co.in>

Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AMSubject: Coexistence of pathies in patient care

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ..."Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th."The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the yearsbecome a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too! Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by

their

counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and "Accepting" approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments? 2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

--

Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation ..org--

Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Connect with friends all over the world.. Get India Messenger.

-- Dr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. orghttp://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

hello All,

I would like to express my views on coexistanc of pathies for certain conditions where there may /may not be a permanent cure in any one single pathy.

Most of the dermatological conditions in modern medicine are treated symptomatically where as in Homeopathy there is an attempt for radical cure.In such conditions a multi-pathy approach would definitely benefit the patient.

In certain emergency conditions initial treatment with modern medicine, for quick relief would give excellent results but subsequently if maintained on Ayurvedic treatment would prove more effective .

For such a coexistential approach, the practitioners of all pathies should be respectful towards each other.All pathies are evolved with a specific intention of alleviating human malady.They can coexist, realising the strenghts of different pathies, only under amicable outlook by all practitioners

kunda

From: Chetna Desai <chetna99@...>Subject: Coexistence of pathies in patient carenetrum Cc: "Urmila Thatte" <urmilathatte@...>, "Dr RN Acharya" <nprcasu@...>, "ga lib" <galib14@...>Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 8:53 AM

Dear all,Welcome back to a new discussion ..."Coexistence of pathies in patient care...beginning today and lasting until 15th."The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist ofAyurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga andNaturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the yearsbecome a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised too! Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their

counterparts!So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open and "Accepting" approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on this, through this forum.I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning, how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the patient's advantage? If so, how?We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of time.Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians. Happy postingDr Chetna DesaiDepartment of PharmacologyB. J. Medical CollegeAhmedabad 380016Visit http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. orghttp://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.comwww.poliofoundation .org

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear Dr Chetna ,

I wish to submit a recently appeared coorespondance of mine in Current science which suggests for an umbrella approach as an ideal health care system to India .This would be truly amazing to blend various system of medicines by their thourough understanding and to see that how they can colloboratively be utilised in total health care.

Dr Sanjeev Rastogi

 

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 Chetna Desai wrote :

>Dear all,

>

>Welcome back to a new discussion ...

>

>* " Coexistence of pathies in patient care..*.beginning today and lasting

>until 15th.

>

> " The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist of

>Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga and

>Naturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the

>years

>become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H practitioners

>in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in the

>urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due recognition

>in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and commercialised

>too!

>

>Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern

>systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at

>worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!

>So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open

>and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on

>this, through this forum.

>

>I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...

>1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning,

>how often do patients take medicines/treatments from different systems of

>medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

>2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?

>3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the

>patient's advantage? If so, how?

>

>We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint of

>time.

>Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians.

>

>Happy posting

>

>Dr Chetna Desai

>Department of Pharmacology

>B. J. Medical College

>Ahmedabad 380016

>

>

>

>Visit

>http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org

>http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.com

>www.poliofoundation.org

Dr.Sanjeev Rastogi

MD,D.Yoga,CAc(China),DHHM,GHC(US)

_______________________________________________

Lecturer

Post Graduate Dept. of Kaya Chikitsa

State Ayurvedic College & Hospital

Tulsi Das Marg

Lucknow -226004

India

_______________________________________

Honorary consultant

Dept.of Holistic Medicine

Body & Mind Clinic and Research Center

Vatsala Hospital,

Tulsi Das Marg, Lucknow-4

India

______________________________________________

www.bmcrcayurveda.com

rastogisanjeev@...

call:0091-94150-22955

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear Madam Chetna Desai:

To what extent do you think the recommendations of Indian Commission of

Macro-economics and Health (reproduced below) can help in integrating the

allopathy with other alternative systems of medicine. Your expert comments

are solicited, please.

Geer M Ishaq

Dear Madam Chetna:Here are a few suggestions regarding how to achieve the goal of co-existence of variouos pathies, mostly drawn from a report of the Commission on Macro-economics and Health (India):A suggestion gaining ground is for medical courses to include Yoga and the ISM so that students are able to get the best of all aspects of medical knowledge. Another proposal before the Government is to have a medical facility combining western medicine and ISM to provide comprehensive medical treatment as it is not possible to open hospitals having facilities for only traditional medicine .Similarly, the World Health Organization (WHO) has been emphasizing that inclusion of TM in health care would have a positive impact. It would be particularly so if the practitioners of TM are also trained in certain key elements of allopathy and vice versa.The scope of cross-pathies in the promotion of health and prevention of diseases is

immense. Particularly for chronic and degenerative diseases, ISM have much to offer to modern medicine. At all levels of health care-the home, school, community, dispensaries, nursing homes and hospitals-the integrative elements of ISM have to be identified, procured and deployed. There is an urgent need to carry out Ayurvedic pharmacoepidemiolog ical studies to identify drug and non-drug modalities widely used in the field. Studies have been initiated for diabetes mellitus and arthritis.Ayurvedic/Unani (ISM) physicians have to be incorporated into all PHC teams, with adequate therapeutic resources at their disposal. They should be trained in basic PHC skills and emergency obstetrics Desai, Sadhana, FOGSI,2005). All municipal and district-level hospitals should have full-fledged ISM outpatient departments (OPDs) and wards, panchakarma and dispensaries with adequate resources. The hospital management should be sensitized and trained to

give due importance to ISM in patient care.Tertiary medical centres should have advanced ISM centres, incorporating education, research and sophisticated services. Private-public partnerships will have to be encouraged. Charitable status will be granted to hospitals depending on the size of the infrastructure and usage of ISM, defined on a case-by-case basis, such as general hospitals, specialty hospitals, etc. Health being a State subject, there is an urgent need to appoint a Director of Integrative Medicine (DIM) in each State, empowered with resources, personnel and reporting relationships (directly to the Chief Minister [CM]). As statewide needs are different and will have to be differentiated even further at the district levels, the DIM will have a Board of IM (BIM) to draw up the programme, with projects according to horizon priorities. Budgetary needs and resource-raising have to be the responsibility of the BIM, with a sizeable

but accountable allocation from the Central Government. The current allocation of Rs 150 crore to the Department of AYUSH is miniscule and has to be raised at least ten-fold,as soon as possible, to assist the DIM. States will also have to evolve public-private resources.With regardsGeer M. Ishaq> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear All:> >>>> >>> *Jammu and Kashmir* is among the few States in the country that is in> >>> the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the> >>> allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors> >>> from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the> >>> allopathic doctors even at the

Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600> >>> practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare> >>> Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the> >>> doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like> >>> once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed> >>> that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health> >>> centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani> >>> medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission> >>> (NRHM). Jammu and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani> >>> Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It> >>> also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems

of> >>> Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research> >>> Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will> >>> promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research> >>> programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme.> >>>> >>>> >>> Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the> >>> synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine,> >>> in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to> >>> clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic> >>> considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of> >>> integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM

in> >>> health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a> >>> model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the> >>> process of integration to succeed.> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of> >>>> >>> (i) the quality of professionals,> >>>> >> (ii) academic excellence in teaching,> >>> >> (iii) path-breaking research, and> >>> >> (iv) development of high performance in clinical services.> >>> >> >> > Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of> > modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda> > teaching hospitals must have

excellent diagnostic facilities, including> > imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well> > equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in> > emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary> > resuscitation.> >> > Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational> > usage taught to all practitioners.> >> > With regards> >> > *Dr. Geer M. Ishaq*> > Assistant Professor> > Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences> > University of Kashmir> > Srinagar-190006 (J & K)> > Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971> > Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com<http://ishaqgeer.

googlepages. com/>> >> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > *From:* Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com<http://us.mc01g. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=chetna99@ ...>> > >> > *To:* netrumgroups (DOT) com<http://us.mc01g. mail.. .com/mc/compose? to=netrum>> > *Cc:* Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@ gmail.com<http://us.mc01g. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=urmilathatte@ ...>>;> > Dr RN Acharya <nprcasugmail (DOT) com<http://us.mc01g. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=nprcasu@ ...>>;> > ga lib <galib14 (DOT) co.in<http://us.mc01g. mail.. .com/mc/compose? to=galib14@ ...>> > >> > *Sent:* Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AM> > *Subject:* Coexistence of pathies in patient care> >> >> > Dear all,> >> > Welcome back to a new discussion ...> >> > *"Coexistence of pathies in patient care..*.beginning today and lasting> > until 15th.> >> > "The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist of> > Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga and> > Naturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the> >

years> > become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H> > practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums> > and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their> > due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised> > and commercialised too!> >> > Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern> > systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at> > worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!> > So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open> > and "Accepting" approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on> > this, through this forum.> >> > I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...> > 1. What

is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning,> > how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of> > medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?> > 2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?> > 3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the> > patient's advantage? If so, how?> >> > We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint> > of time.> > Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians.> >> > Happy posting> >> > Dr Chetna Desai> > Department of Pharmacology> > B. J. Medical College> > Ahmedabad 380016> >> >> >> > Visit> > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org/>> > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com/>> > www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofou ndation.org/>> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.<http://in.rd. ..com/ tagline_messenge r_6/*http: //messenger. / invite/>> >> >> >> >> > --> > Anand Chaudhary> > Deptt of Rasa Shastra>

> (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)> > Faculty of Ayuveda> > Institute of Medical Sciences> > Banaras Hindu University> > VARANASI 221005> > Cell 9452074480> > 9889863866> > 0542-2366900( R)> >> >> >> > --> > Dr Chetna Desai> > Department of Pharmacology> > B. J. Medical College> > Ahmedabad 380016> >> >> >> > Visit> > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org/>> > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com/>> >

www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofou ndation.org/>> >> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.<http://in.rd. / tagline_messenge r_6/*http: //messenger. / invite/>> > > >> > > > -- > Dr Chetna Desai> Department of Pharmacology> B. J. Medical College> Ahmedabad 380016> > > > Visit> http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org> http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com>

www.poliofoundation .org>

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Sir

 

This is already in practice in china so chinese medicine has its all value , globally.

 

The same suggestion was made by certain section in 2001 when Dr C P Thakur was union health minister.A full article was published in Frontline advocating Dr Thakur for same namely coexistance of pathies at level of education and practice.But it was not materialised due to opposition from both parties, MCI and CCIM.

 

Meanwhile,personally I myself had recieved a show cause notice from  The Registrar, Gujarat Ayurveda University ,Jamnagar ( at that time my employer)  for supporting minister s view and for writting him in support of his view.The than secretary AYUSH and Health opposed this idea on the basis of advices of advisorsof their dept.

 

But we strongly feel this is the need of time.But before promoting this we must have evidence where  ( disease)and how much it is admissible.

 

With regards, 

On 4/12/09, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote:

Hi,I agree with the suggestion of Geer that the medical education of the land must sensisitse the medical students with all existing systems of medicine existing in the country. Thus for India, exposure to Indian Systems of Medicine like Ayurveda, Yoga, Siddha is pertinent.

Aping the west totally is problesome and leads to exploitation. Look at the way we are being exploited through IPR.Self sufficiency and self reliance is always good to provide check to economic exploitation by the powerful rich countries. They will continue to make laws and force them on economically developing countries for ever.

Vijay

> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Dear All:> > >>>> > >>> *Jammu and Kashmir* is among the few States in the country that is in

> > >>> the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the> > >>> allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors> > >>> from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the

> > >>> allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600> > >>> practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare> > >>> Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the

> > >>> doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like> > >>> once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed> > >>> that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health

> > >>> centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani> > >>> medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission> > >>> (NRHM). Jammu and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani

> > >>> Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It> > >>> also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of> > >>> Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research

> > >>> Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will> > >>> promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research> > >>> programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme.

> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the> > >>> synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine,

> > >>> in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to> > >>> clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic> > >>> considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of

> > >>> integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in> > >>> health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a> > >>> model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the

> > >>> process of integration to succeed.> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

> > >>>> > >>> (i) the quality of professionals,> > >>>> > >> (ii) academic excellence in teaching,> > >>> > >> (iii) path-breaking research, and

> > >>> > >> (iv) development of high performance in clinical services.> > >>> > >> > >> > > Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of

> > > modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda> > > teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including> > > imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well

> > > equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in> > > emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary> > > resuscitation.> > >

> > > Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational> > > usage taught to all practitioners.> > >> > > With regards> > >> > > *Dr. Geer M. Ishaq*

> > > Assistant Professor> > > Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences> > > University of Kashmir> > > Srinagar-190006 (J & K)> > > Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971> > > Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com<http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com/>

> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > *From:* Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com<http://us.mc01g. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=chetna99@ ...>

> > > >> > > *To:* netrumgroups (DOT) com<http://us.mc01g. mail.. .com/mc/compose? to=netrum>

> > > *Cc:* Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@ gmail.com<http://us.mc01g. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=urmilathatte@ ...>>;

> > > Dr RN Acharya <nprcasugmail (DOT) com<http://us.mc01g. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=nprcasu@ ...>>;

> > > ga lib <galib14 (DOT) co.in<http://us.mc01g. mail.. .com/mc/compose? to=galib14@ ...>

> > > >> > > *Sent:* Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AM> > > *Subject:* Coexistence of pathies in patient care> > >> > >> > > Dear all,

> > >> > > Welcome back to a new discussion ...> > >> > > * " Coexistence of pathies in patient care..*.beginning today and lasting> > > until 15th.> > >

> > > " The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist of> > > Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga and> > > Naturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the

> > > years> > > become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H> > > practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums> > > and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their

> > > due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised> > > and commercialised too!> > >> > > Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern

> > > systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at> > > worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!> > > So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open

> > > and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on> > > this, through this forum.> > >> > > I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...

> > > 1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning,> > > how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of> > > medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

> > > 2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?> > > 3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the> > > patient's advantage? If so, how?> > >

> > > We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint> > > of time.> > > Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians.> > >> > > Happy posting

> > >> > > Dr Chetna Desai> > > Department of Pharmacology> > > B. J. Medical College> > > Ahmedabad 380016> > >> > >> > >

> > > Visit> > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org/>

> > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com/>

> > > www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofou ndation.org/>

> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.<http://in.rd. ..com/ tagline_messenge r_6/*http: //messenger. / invite/>

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > Anand Chaudhary> > > Deptt of Rasa Shastra> > > (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)> > > Faculty of Ayuveda

> > > Institute of Medical Sciences> > > Banaras Hindu University> > > VARANASI 221005> > > Cell 9452074480> > > 9889863866> > > 0542-2366900( R)

> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > Dr Chetna Desai> > > Department of Pharmacology> > > B. J. Medical College> > > Ahmedabad 380016

> > >> > >> > >> > > Visit> > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org/>

> > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com/>

> > > www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofou ndation.org/>

> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.<http://in.rd. / tagline_messenge r_6/*http: //messenger. / invite/>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Dr Chetna Desai> > Department of Pharmacology> > B. J. Medical College> > Ahmedabad 380016

> > > > > > > > Visit> > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org> > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> > www.poliofoundation .org> >> > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in.messenger./

>

-- Anand ChaudharyDeptt of Rasa Shastra(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)Faculty of AyuvedaInstitute of Medical Sciences

Banaras Hindu UniversityVARANASI 221005Cell 945207448098898638660542-2366900®

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Sir

 

This is already in practice in china so chinese medicine has its all value , globally.

 

The same suggestion was made by certain section in 2001 when Dr C P Thakur was union health minister.A full article was published in Frontline advocating Dr Thakur for same namely coexistance of pathies at level of education and practice.But it was not materialised due to opposition from both parties, MCI and CCIM.

 

Meanwhile,personally I myself had recieved a show cause notice from  The Registrar, Gujarat Ayurveda University ,Jamnagar ( at that time my employer)  for supporting minister s view and for writting him in support of his view.The than secretary AYUSH and Health opposed this idea on the basis of advices of advisorsof their dept.

 

But we strongly feel this is the need of time.But before promoting this we must have evidence where  ( disease)and how much it is admissible.

 

With regards, 

On 4/12/09, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote:

Hi,I agree with the suggestion of Geer that the medical education of the land must sensisitse the medical students with all existing systems of medicine existing in the country. Thus for India, exposure to Indian Systems of Medicine like Ayurveda, Yoga, Siddha is pertinent.

Aping the west totally is problesome and leads to exploitation. Look at the way we are being exploited through IPR.Self sufficiency and self reliance is always good to provide check to economic exploitation by the powerful rich countries. They will continue to make laws and force them on economically developing countries for ever.

Vijay

> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Dear All:> > >>>> > >>> *Jammu and Kashmir* is among the few States in the country that is in

> > >>> the process of integrating the Indian Systems of Medicine (ISM) with the> > >>> allopathic system. The State Government has already posted over 600 doctors> > >>> from the traditional streams of medicine, particularly unani, along with the

> > >>> allopathic doctors even at the Primary Heath Centres, and has over 1,600> > >>> practitioners awaiting recruitment. Union Health and Family Welfare> > >>> Minister Anbumani Ramadoss allowed the State Government to recruit the

> > >>> doctors from the alternative streams on short term contractual basis like> > >>> once or twice a week at all levels for the time being. It is believed> > >>> that ISM doctors would be eventually integrated in every public health

> > >>> centre, district and sub-district hospitals across the State and unani> > >>> medicine would be made available under the National Rural Health Mission> > >>> (NRHM). Jammu and Kashmir has one Ayurvedic Hospital at Jammu, one Unani

> > >>> Hospital at Srinagar and 439 ISM dispensaries spread across the State. It> > >>> also proposes to orient paramedical staff with the Indian Systems of> > >>> Medicine in the near future. And the State now has a Regional Research

> > >>> Institute of Unani Medicine on the Kashmir University Campus that will> > >>> promote clinical research programmes, drug standardisation research> > >>> programme and survey and cultivation of medicinal plants programme.

> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Integrative Medicine is a new paradigm in health care that focuses on the> > >>> synergy and deployment of the best aspects of diverse systems of medicine,

> > >>> in the best interest of the patients and the community. Attention to> > >>> clinical evidence, long-term usage and safety, accessibility, economic> > >>> considerations and culture compatibility constitute the key elements of

> > >>> integrative medicine. The programmes for the integration of ISM in> > >>> health care will have to be drawn up at the grassroots level based on a> > >>> model and then worked upwards. People's participation is vital for the

> > >>> process of integration to succeed.> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> The current official status of ISM needs a quantum jump in terms of

> > >>>> > >>> (i) the quality of professionals,> > >>>> > >> (ii) academic excellence in teaching,> > >>> > >> (iii) path-breaking research, and

> > >>> > >> (iv) development of high performance in clinical services.> > >>> > >> > >> > > Currently, ISM incorporate several diagnostic and other modalities of

> > > modern medicine (MM), a practice that needs to be encouraged. Ayurveda> > > teaching hospitals must have excellent diagnostic facilities, including> > > imaging and endoscopy. Operation theatres and obstetric units must be well

> > > equipped and functional. All ISM practitioners need in-depth training in> > > emergency obstetrics and first-aid care, as well as in cardiopulmonary> > > resuscitation.> > >

> > > Life-saving drugs, of any system, must be understood and their rational> > > usage taught to all practitioners.> > >> > > With regards> > >> > > *Dr. Geer M. Ishaq*

> > > Assistant Professor> > > Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences> > > University of Kashmir> > > Srinagar-190006 (J & K)> > > Ph: 9906673100, 9419970971> > > Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com<http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com/>

> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > *From:* Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail (DOT) com<http://us.mc01g. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=chetna99@ ...>

> > > >> > > *To:* netrumgroups (DOT) com<http://us.mc01g. mail.. .com/mc/compose? to=netrum>

> > > *Cc:* Urmila Thatte <urmilathatte@ gmail.com<http://us.mc01g. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=urmilathatte@ ...>>;

> > > Dr RN Acharya <nprcasugmail (DOT) com<http://us.mc01g. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=nprcasu@ ...>>;

> > > ga lib <galib14 (DOT) co.in<http://us.mc01g. mail.. .com/mc/compose? to=galib14@ ...>

> > > >> > > *Sent:* Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:53:40 AM> > > *Subject:* Coexistence of pathies in patient care> > >> > >> > > Dear all,

> > >> > > Welcome back to a new discussion ...> > >> > > * " Coexistence of pathies in patient care..*.beginning today and lasting> > > until 15th.> > >

> > > " The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist of> > > Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga and> > > Naturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over the

> > > years> > > become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H> > > practitioners in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums> > > and also in the urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their

> > > due recognition in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised> > > and commercialised too!> > >> > > Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern

> > > systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or disdain at> > > worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!> > > So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more open

> > > and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a consensus on> > > this, through this forum.> > >> > > I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...

> > > 1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient care...meaning,> > > how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems of> > > medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

> > > 2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?> > > 3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the> > > patient's advantage? If so, how?> > >

> > > We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the constraint> > > of time.> > > Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians.> > >> > > Happy posting

> > >> > > Dr Chetna Desai> > > Department of Pharmacology> > > B. J. Medical College> > > Ahmedabad 380016> > >> > >> > >

> > > Visit> > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org/>

> > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com/>

> > > www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofou ndation.org/>

> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.<http://in.rd. ..com/ tagline_messenge r_6/*http: //messenger. / invite/>

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > Anand Chaudhary> > > Deptt of Rasa Shastra> > > (Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)> > > Faculty of Ayuveda

> > > Institute of Medical Sciences> > > Banaras Hindu University> > > VARANASI 221005> > > Cell 9452074480> > > 9889863866> > > 0542-2366900( R)

> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > Dr Chetna Desai> > > Department of Pharmacology> > > B. J. Medical College> > > Ahmedabad 380016

> > >> > >> > >> > > Visit> > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org/>

> > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com/>

> > > www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofou ndation.org/>

> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.<http://in.rd. / tagline_messenge r_6/*http: //messenger. / invite/>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Dr Chetna Desai> > Department of Pharmacology> > B. J. Medical College> > Ahmedabad 380016

> > > > > > > > Visit> > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org> > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> > www.poliofoundation .org> >> > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in.messenger./

>

-- Anand ChaudharyDeptt of Rasa Shastra(Ayurvedic Pharmaceutics)Faculty of AyuvedaInstitute of Medical Sciences

Banaras Hindu UniversityVARANASI 221005Cell 945207448098898638660542-2366900®

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Dear Dr. Vijay Sir:

Considering that Supreme Court does not allow for

cross-prescribing/cross-practice of various systems of medicine, as you have

rightly informed, how is the concept of co-existence of different pathies going

to materialize then? Someone somewhere has to assume the supervisory or

monitoring role so as to co-ordinate between the therapies prescribed vide

different pathies. Question is who will that SOMEONE be, I mean from which

system of medicine? Moreover for co-existence of different pathies, the queries

raised earlier still remain unaddressed, as to, who will titrate/adjust the dose

of allopathic medicines in presence of drugs prescribed by practitioners of

other pathies for the same patient; how to assess and counter the threat of

summation of cross-adverse reactions and cross-drug interactions of various

pathies. If practitioner of a particular system of medicine has a statutory

authority to meddle with the pecularities of his own system ONLY, then who will

tailor the overall therapeutic package in presence of drugs from different

pathies and how. Some mechanism needs to be suggested within the parameters of

our existing legal framework.Enlightment on this count is solicited.

With regards

Geer M. Ishaq

> > >

> > > Dear Drs Rastogi, Savrikar and Madam Kunda

> > > When this topic was considered, i had not anticipated these brilliant

> > > responses.I am more than satisfied that the issue that has been at the

back

> > > of everyone;s minds is being discussed in open..no hold barred!!

> > > Dr Savrikar, I agree with your need for a separate identity for

alternative

> > > systems and also a appropriate representation with the policy makers too.

> > > However, lets not get too personal here. The reasons for such situations

> > > that you described are manifold. It is also a fact that inspite of the

fact

> > > that ASU are ancient systems of medicne, there is no organised

documentation

> > > of this science, or if it exists, it is not dissemniated well. In fact to

> > > tell you the truth, allopathic medicnes face stringent regulations vis a

vis

> > > clinical trials, safety issues, standardisation, licensing etc and I guess

> > > this has led to a more scientific and organised approach to this science.

> > > ASU is also going through this growth, and this is not edema, but maybe a

> > > healthy baby taking shape!

> > > Madam Kunda's call for mutual respect and coordiantion is a call in the

> > > right direction, for all of us to respond to.

> > > Dr Rastogi's letter is an eyeopener...

> > > Dr Galib mentions one example where the efficacy of an allopathic medicne

is

> > > enhanc

> > > ed by an ayurvedic preparation. I am sure there are many such examples....

> > > DO dig in to the literature and let us know...

> > >

> > > Thanks to all and keep posting

> > > And Dr Vijay...when are you refereeing for us???

> > > Chetna

> > >

> > > 2009/4/11 sanjeev rastogi <rastogisanjeev@ ...>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dr Chetna ,

> > > >

> > > > I wish to submit a recently appeared coorespondance of mine in Current

> > > > science which suggests for an umbrella approach as an ideal health care

> > > > system to India .This would be truly amazing to blend various system of

> > > > medicines by their thourough understanding and to see that how they can

> > > > colloboratively be utilised in total health care.

> > > >

> > > > Dr Sanjeev Rastogi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 Chetna Desai wrote :

> > > >

> > > > >Dear all,

> > > > >

> > > > >Welcome back to a new discussion ...

> > > > >

> > > > >* " Coexistence of pathies in patient care..*.beginning today and lasting

> > > > >until 15th.

> > > > >

> > > > > " The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist of

> > > > >Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga and

> > > > >Naturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have over

the

> > > > >years

> > > > >become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H

> > > > practitioners

> > > > >in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also in

> > > > the

> > > > >urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due

> > > > recognition

> > > > >in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and

> > > > commercialised

> > > > >too!

> > > > >

> > > > >Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern

> > > > >systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or

disdain

> > > > at

> > > > >worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!

> > > > >So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more

open

> > > > >and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a

consensus

> > > > on

> > > > >this, through this forum.

> > > > >

> > > > >I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...

> > > > >1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient

> > > > care...meaning,

> > > > >how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different systems

of

> > > > >medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

> > > > >2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?

> > > > >3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to the

> > > > >patient's advantage? If so, how?

> > > > >

> > > > >We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the

constraint

> > > > of

> > > > >time.

> > > > >Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians.

> > > > >

> > > > >Happy posting

> > > > >

> > > > >Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > >Department of Pharmacology

> > > > >B. J. Medical College

> > > > >Ahmedabad 380016

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Visit

> > > > >http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

> > > > >http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> > > > >www.poliofoundatio n.org

> > > > Dr.Sanjeev Rastogi

> > > > MD,D.Yoga,CAc( China),DHHM, GHC(US)

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ ________

> > > > Lecturer

> > > > Post Graduate Dept. of Kaya Chikitsa

> > > > State Ayurvedic College & Hospital

> > > > Tulsi Das Marg

> > > > Lucknow -226004

> > > > India

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________

> > > > Honorary consultant

> > > > Dept.of Holistic Medicine

> > > > Body & Mind Clinic and Research Center

> > > > Vatsala Hospital,

> > > > Tulsi Das Marg, Lucknow-4

> > > > India

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _______

> > > > www.bmcrcayurveda. com

> > > > rastogisanjeev@ ...

> > > > call:0091-94150- 22955

> > > >

> > > > <http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www.

rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle?>

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > Department of Pharmacology

> > > B. J. Medical College

> > > Ahmedabad 380016

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit

> > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

> > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> > > www.poliofoundation .org

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

http://messenger./invite/

> >

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi,

The solution currently is that practitioners of the pathies being used together

should work in tandem.

For conducting clinical trials on herbal medicines, which come under Ayurveda,

we involve Ayurvedic Vaidya as one of the co-investigators.

Our allopathic hospital to administer Ayurvedic medicines has a skeleton

Ayurvedic OPD.

Dr Modi's hospital in Gorakhpur is owned by Dr and Dr Mrs Modi who are from

modern medicine. But they practice and teach Naturopathy, after suitable

qualifications in Naturopathy. I have gone there and been a participant in one

10 day camp to get sensitised to Naturopathy. They " CURE " diseases like

arthritis, hypertension, IBS, skin diseases etc; Beleive me that Naturoppathy

does work.

In Nagpur there is Dr Chimtanwala who first did MBBS and then went to get

graduation and PG in Homeopathy and is a leading practitioner of Homeopathy.

At home we consume spoon of turmeric in cup of milk (and when out of station

take capsule of turmeric), drink juice of bel in summer, mix tinospora

cordifolia leaves with fresh chutneys, consume Bacopa Monniera during stressful

/ high anxiety situations, make fresh kadha for cough, consume Tulsi leaves when

sick, consume neem leaves for skin diseases, bath with water in which Neem

leaves have been boiled etc; etc;

Many doctors know that we have conducted trials on cissus quadrangularis in

fracture healing and low BMD. When doctors get fractures, they ask me for cissus

extract!

All examples of integration!

But law prohibits prescribing medicine from other pathy else it is " cross

practice " . So dont write anything!

Vijay

> > > >

> > > > Dear Drs Rastogi, Savrikar and Madam Kunda

> > > > When this topic was considered, i had not anticipated these brilliant

> > > > responses.I am more than satisfied that the issue that has been at the

back

> > > > of everyone;s minds is being discussed in open..no hold barred!!

> > > > Dr Savrikar, I agree with your need for a separate identity for

alternative

> > > > systems and also a appropriate representation with the policy makers

too.

> > > > However, lets not get too personal here. The reasons for such situations

> > > > that you described are manifold. It is also a fact that inspite of the

fact

> > > > that ASU are ancient systems of medicne, there is no organised

documentation

> > > > of this science, or if it exists, it is not dissemniated well. In fact

to

> > > > tell you the truth, allopathic medicnes face stringent regulations vis a

vis

> > > > clinical trials, safety issues, standardisation, licensing etc and I

guess

> > > > this has led to a more scientific and organised approach to this

science.

> > > > ASU is also going through this growth, and this is not edema, but maybe

a

> > > > healthy baby taking shape!

> > > > Madam Kunda's call for mutual respect and coordiantion is a call in the

> > > > right direction, for all of us to respond to.

> > > > Dr Rastogi's letter is an eyeopener...

> > > > Dr Galib mentions one example where the efficacy of an allopathic

medicne is

> > > > enhanc

> > > > ed by an ayurvedic preparation. I am sure there are many such

examples....

> > > > DO dig in to the literature and let us know...

> > > >

> > > > Thanks to all and keep posting

> > > > And Dr Vijay...when are you refereeing for us???

> > > > Chetna

> > > >

> > > > 2009/4/11 sanjeev rastogi <rastogisanjeev@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Dr Chetna ,

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish to submit a recently appeared coorespondance of mine in Current

> > > > > science which suggests for an umbrella approach as an ideal health

care

> > > > > system to India .This would be truly amazing to blend various system

of

> > > > > medicines by their thourough understanding and to see that how they

can

> > > > > colloboratively be utilised in total health care.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr Sanjeev Rastogi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 Chetna Desai wrote :

> > > > >

> > > > > >Dear all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Welcome back to a new discussion ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >* " Coexistence of pathies in patient care..*.beginning today and

lasting

> > > > > >until 15th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist of

> > > > > >Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga

and

> > > > > >Naturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have

over the

> > > > > >years

> > > > > >become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H

> > > > > practitioners

> > > > > >in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and also

in

> > > > > the

> > > > > >urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due

> > > > > recognition

> > > > > >in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and

> > > > > commercialised

> > > > > >too!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the modern

> > > > > >systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or

disdain

> > > > > at

> > > > > >worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!

> > > > > >So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a more

open

> > > > > >and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a

consensus

> > > > > on

> > > > > >this, through this forum.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...

> > > > > >1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient

> > > > > care...meaning,

> > > > > >how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different

systems of

> > > > > >medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

> > > > > >2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?

> > > > > >3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to

the

> > > > > >patient's advantage? If so, how?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the

constraint

> > > > > of

> > > > > >time.

> > > > > >Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Happy posting

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > >Department of Pharmacology

> > > > > >B. J. Medical College

> > > > > >Ahmedabad 380016

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Visit

> > > > > >http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

> > > > > >http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> > > > > >www.poliofoundatio n.org

> > > > > Dr.Sanjeev Rastogi

> > > > > MD,D.Yoga,CAc( China),DHHM, GHC(US)

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ ________

> > > > > Lecturer

> > > > > Post Graduate Dept. of Kaya Chikitsa

> > > > > State Ayurvedic College & Hospital

> > > > > Tulsi Das Marg

> > > > > Lucknow -226004

> > > > > India

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________

> > > > > Honorary consultant

> > > > > Dept.of Holistic Medicine

> > > > > Body & Mind Clinic and Research Center

> > > > > Vatsala Hospital,

> > > > > Tulsi Das Marg, Lucknow-4

> > > > > India

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _______

> > > > > www.bmcrcayurveda. com

> > > > > rastogisanjeev@ ...

> > > > > call:0091-94150- 22955

> > > > >

> > > > > <http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www.

rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle?>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > Department of Pharmacology

> > > > B. J. Medical College

> > > > Ahmedabad 380016

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit

> > > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

> > > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> > > > www.poliofoundation .org

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

http://messenger./invite/

> > >

> >

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi,

Accepted and supported. But will they be and when?

Vijay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Drs Rastogi, Savrikar and Madam Kunda

> > > > > > When this topic was considered, i had not anticipated these

> > brilliant

> > > > > > responses.I am more than satisfied that the issue that has been at

> > the back

> > > > > > of everyone;s minds is being discussed in open..no hold barred!!

> > > > > > Dr Savrikar, I agree with your need for a separate identity for

> > alternative

> > > > > > systems and also a appropriate representation with the policy

> > makers too.

> > > > > > However, lets not get too personal here. The reasons for such

> > situations

> > > > > > that you described are manifold. It is also a fact that inspite of

> > the fact

> > > > > > that ASU are ancient systems of medicne, there is no organised

> > documentation

> > > > > > of this science, or if it exists, it is not dissemniated well. In

> > fact to

> > > > > > tell you the truth, allopathic medicnes face stringent regulations

> > vis a vis

> > > > > > clinical trials, safety issues, standardisation, licensing etc and

> > I guess

> > > > > > this has led to a more scientific and organised approach to this

> > science.

> > > > > > ASU is also going through this growth, and this is not edema, but

> > maybe a

> > > > > > healthy baby taking shape!

> > > > > > Madam Kunda's call for mutual respect and coordiantion is a call in

> > the

> > > > > > right direction, for all of us to respond to.

> > > > > > Dr Rastogi's letter is an eyeopener...

> > > > > > Dr Galib mentions one example where the efficacy of an allopathic

> > medicne is

> > > > > > enhanc

> > > > > > ed by an ayurvedic preparation. I am sure there are many such

> > examples....

> > > > > > DO dig in to the literature and let us know...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks to all and keep posting

> > > > > > And Dr Vijay...when are you refereeing for us???

> > > > > > Chetna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/4/11 sanjeev rastogi <rastogisanjeev@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Dr Chetna ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I wish to submit a recently appeared coorespondance of mine in

> > Current

> > > > > > > science which suggests for an umbrella approach as an ideal

> > health care

> > > > > > > system to India .This would be truly amazing to blend various

> > system of

> > > > > > > medicines by their thourough understanding and to see that how

> > they can

> > > > > > > colloboratively be utilised in total health care.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dr Sanjeev Rastogi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 Chetna Desai wrote :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Dear all,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Welcome back to a new discussion ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >* " Coexistence of pathies in patient care..*.beginning today and

> > lasting

> > > > > > > >until 15th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist

> > of

> > > > > > > >Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as

> > Yoga and

> > > > > > > >Naturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others

> > have over the

> > > > > > > >years

> > > > > > > >become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H

> > > > > > > practitioners

> > > > > > > >in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and

> > also in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due

> > > > > > > recognition

> > > > > > > >in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and

> > > > > > > commercialised

> > > > > > > >too!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the

> > modern

> > > > > > > >systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best

> > or disdain

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > >worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!

> > > > > > > >So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a

> > more open

> > > > > > > >and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a

> > consensus

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >this, through this forum.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...

> > > > > > > >1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient

> > > > > > > care...meaning,

> > > > > > > >how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different

> > systems of

> > > > > > > >medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

> > > > > > > >2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?

> > > > > > > >3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently

> > to the

> > > > > > > >patient's advantage? If so, how?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the

> > constraint

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >time.

> > > > > > > >Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Happy posting

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > > > >Department of Pharmacology

> > > > > > > >B. J. Medical College

> > > > > > > >Ahmedabad 380016

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Visit

> > > > > > > >http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

> > > > > > > >http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> > > > > > > >www.poliofoundatio n.org

> > > > > > > Dr.Sanjeev Rastogi

> > > > > > > MD,D.Yoga,CAc( China),DHHM, GHC(US)

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ ________

> > > > > > > Lecturer

> > > > > > > Post Graduate Dept. of Kaya Chikitsa

> > > > > > > State Ayurvedic College & Hospital

> > > > > > > Tulsi Das Marg

> > > > > > > Lucknow -226004

> > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________

> > > > > > > Honorary consultant

> > > > > > > Dept.of Holistic Medicine

> > > > > > > Body & Mind Clinic and Research Center

> > > > > > > Vatsala Hospital,

> > > > > > > Tulsi Das Marg, Lucknow-4

> > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _______

> > > > > > > www.bmcrcayurveda. com

> > > > > > > rastogisanjeev@ ...

> > > > > > > call:0091-94150- 22955

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www.

> > rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle?>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > > Department of Pharmacology

> > > > > > B. J. Medical College

> > > > > > Ahmedabad 380016

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visit

> > > > > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

> > > > > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> > > > > > www.poliofoundation .org

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> > http://messenger./invite/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr Chetna Desai

> Department of Pharmacology

> B. J. Medical College

> Ahmedabad 380016

>

>

>

> Visit

> http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org

> http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.com

> www.poliofoundation.org

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi,

Thanks Sanjeev for your compliments.

People have a right to practice what they feel is good for their health. Hence

no matter what the advoccacy of opposing pathies, traditional medicine will

stay. It is time tested, frequently used, home practiced, non-prescriber,

affordable pathy with power of use resting with the user. It empowers the

community and therefore any effort to criticise it should be resisted.

Vijay

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > Dear Drs Rastogi, Savrikar and Madam Kunda

> > >>> > > > When this topic was considered, i had not anticipated these

> > >>> brilliant

> > >>> > > > responses.I am more than satisfied that the issue that has been at

> > >>> the back

> > >>> > > > of everyone;s minds is being discussed in open..no hold barred!!

> > >>> > > > Dr Savrikar, I agree with your need for a separate identity for

> > >>> alternative

> > >>> > > > systems and also a appropriate representation with the policy

> > >>> makers too.

> > >>> > > > However, lets not get too personal here. The reasons for such

> > >>> situations

> > >>> > > > that you described are manifold. It is also a fact that inspite of

> > >>> the fact

> > >>> > > > that ASU are ancient systems of medicne, there is no organised

> > >>> documentation

> > >>> > > > of this science, or if it exists, it is not dissemniated well. In

> > >>> fact to

> > >>> > > > tell you the truth, allopathic medicnes face stringent regulations

> > >>> vis a vis

> > >>> > > > clinical trials, safety issues, standardisation, licensing etc and

> > >>> I guess

> > >>> > > > this has led to a more scientific and organised approach to this

> > >>> science.

> > >>> > > > ASU is also going through this growth, and this is not edema, but

> > >>> maybe a

> > >>> > > > healthy baby taking shape!

> > >>> > > > Madam Kunda's call for mutual respect and coordiantion is a call

in

> > >>> the

> > >>> > > > right direction, for all of us to respond to.

> > >>> > > > Dr Rastogi's letter is an eyeopener...

> > >>> > > > Dr Galib mentions one example where the efficacy of an allopathic

> > >>> medicne is

> > >>> > > > enhanc

> > >>> > > > ed by an ayurvedic preparation. I am sure there are many such

> > >>> examples....

> > >>> > > > DO dig in to the literature and let us know...

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > Thanks to all and keep posting

> > >>> > > > And Dr Vijay...when are you refereeing for us???

> > >>> > > > Chetna

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > 2009/4/11 sanjeev rastogi <rastogisanjeev@ ...>

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > Dear Dr Chetna ,

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > I wish to submit a recently appeared coorespondance of mine in

> > >>> Current

> > >>> > > > > science which suggests for an umbrella approach as an ideal

> > >>> health care

> > >>> > > > > system to India .This would be truly amazing to blend various

> > >>> system of

> > >>> > > > > medicines by their thourough understanding and to see that how

> > >>> they can

> > >>> > > > > colloboratively be utilised in total health care.

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > Dr Sanjeev Rastogi

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 Chetna Desai wrote :

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > >Dear all,

> > >>> > > > > >

> > >>> > > > > >Welcome back to a new discussion ...

> > >>> > > > > >

> > >>> > > > > >* " Coexistence of pathies in patient care..*.beginning today and

> > >>> lasting

> > >>> > > > > >until 15th.

> > >>> > > > > >

> > >>> > > > > > " The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist

> > >>> of

> > >>> > > > > >Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as

> > >>> Yoga and

> > >>> > > > > >Naturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others

> > >>> have over the

> > >>> > > > > >years

> > >>> > > > > >become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H

> > >>> > > > > practitioners

> > >>> > > > > >in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and

> > >>> also in

> > >>> > > > > the

> > >>> > > > > >urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their

due

> > >>> > > > > recognition

> > >>> > > > > >in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and

> > >>> > > > > commercialised

> > >>> > > > > >too!

> > >>> > > > > >

> > >>> > > > > >Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the

> > >>> modern

> > >>> > > > > >systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best

> > >>> or disdain

> > >>> > > > > at

> > >>> > > > > >worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!

> > >>> > > > > >So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a

> > >>> more open

> > >>> > > > > >and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a

> > >>> consensus

> > >>> > > > > on

> > >>> > > > > >this, through this forum.

> > >>> > > > > >

> > >>> > > > > >I would suggest following up this topic on these lines....

> > >>> > > > > >1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient

> > >>> > > > > care...meaning,

> > >>> > > > > >how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different

> > >>> systems of

> > >>> > > > > >medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

> > >>> > > > > >2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?

> > >>> > > > > >3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently

> > >>> to the

> > >>> > > > > >patient's advantage? If so, how?

> > >>> > > > > >

> > >>> > > > > >We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the

> > >>> constraint

> > >>> > > > > of

> > >>> > > > > >time.

> > >>> > > > > >Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians.

> > >>> > > > > >

> > >>> > > > > >Happy posting

> > >>> > > > > >

> > >>> > > > > >Dr Chetna Desai

> > >>> > > > > >Department of Pharmacology

> > >>> > > > > >B. J. Medical College

> > >>> > > > > >Ahmedabad 380016

> > >>> > > > > >

> > >>> > > > > >

> > >>> > > > > >

> > >>> > > > > >Visit

> > >>> > > > > >http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

> > >>> > > > > >http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> > >>> > > > > >www.poliofoundatio n.org

> > >>> > > > > Dr.Sanjeev Rastogi

> > >>> > > > > MD,D.Yoga,CAc( China),DHHM, GHC(US)

> > >>> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ ________

> > >>> > > > > Lecturer

> > >>> > > > > Post Graduate Dept. of Kaya Chikitsa

> > >>> > > > > State Ayurvedic College & Hospital

> > >>> > > > > Tulsi Das Marg

> > >>> > > > > Lucknow -226004

> > >>> > > > > India

> > >>> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________

> > >>> > > > > Honorary consultant

> > >>> > > > > Dept.of Holistic Medicine

> > >>> > > > > Body & Mind Clinic and Research Center

> > >>> > > > > Vatsala Hospital,

> > >>> > > > > Tulsi Das Marg, Lucknow-4

> > >>> > > > > India

> > >>> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _______

> > >>> > > > > www.bmcrcayurveda. com

> > >>> > > > > rastogisanjeev@ ...

> > >>> > > > > call:0091-94150- 22955

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > > <http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www.

> > >>> rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle?>

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > > >

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > --

> > >>> > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > >>> > > > Department of Pharmacology

> > >>> > > > B. J. Medical College

> > >>> > > > Ahmedabad 380016

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > > > Visit

> > >>> > > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

> > >>> > > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> > >>> > > > www.poliofoundation .org

> > >>> > > >

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

http://messenger.

> > >>> / invite/ <http://messenger./invite/>

> > >>> > >

> > >>> >

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> --

> > >> Dr Chetna Desai

> > >> Department of Pharmacology

> > >> B. J. Medical College

> > >> Ahmedabad 380016

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Visit

> > >> http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org/>

> > >> http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.com/>

> > >> www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofoundation.org/>

> > >>

> > >> ------------------------------

> > >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them

now.<http://in.rd./tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger./invi\

te/>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > Department of Pharmacology

> > > B. J. Medical College

> > > Ahmedabad 380016

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit

> > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org/>

> > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.com/>

> > > www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofoundation.org/>

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them

now.<http://in.rd./tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger./invi\

te/>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >--

> >Dr Chetna Desai

> >Department of Pharmacology

> >B. J. Medical College

> >Ahmedabad 380016

> >

> >

> >

> >Visit

> >http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org

> >http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.com

> >www.poliofoundation.org

>

>

> Dr.Sanjeev Rastogi

> MD,D.Yoga,CAc(China),DHHM,GHC(US)

> _______________________________________________

> Lecturer

> Post Graduate Dept. of Kaya Chikitsa

> State Ayurvedic College & Hospital

> Tulsi Das Marg

> Lucknow -226004

> India

> _______________________________________

> Honorary consultant

> Dept.of Holistic Medicine

> Body & Mind Clinic and Research Center

> Vatsala Hospital,

> Tulsi Das Marg, Lucknow-4

> India

> ______________________________________________

> www.bmcrcayurveda.com

> rastogisanjeev@...

> call:0091-94150-22955

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi,

The economics behind health insurance has the agenda to earn out of the

insurers' money invested. It logically means that the insurance companies will

pay lesser returns on the money invested by the person. So if the individuals

are able to take care of their health, take promotive and preventive steps they

do not need health insurance at all.

The second aspect is that health should be a fundamental right, which is not so

in India. The largest democracy in the world does not guarantee health! It is

absolute mockery by the jokers who rule us. If health services are guaranteed by

The State (Government) they who needs the health insurance?

Vijay

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > Dear Drs Rastogi, Savrikar and Madam Kunda

> > > >>> > > > When this topic was considered, i had not anticipated these

> > > >>> brilliant

> > > >>> > > > responses.I am more than satisfied that the issue that has been

> > at

> > > >>> the back

> > > >>> > > > of everyone;s minds is being discussed in open..no hold

> > barred!!

> > > >>> > > > Dr Savrikar, I agree with your need for a separate identity for

> > > >>> alternative

> > > >>> > > > systems and also a appropriate representation with the policy

> > > >>> makers too.

> > > >>> > > > However, lets not get too personal here. The reasons for such

> > > >>> situations

> > > >>> > > > that you described are manifold. It is also a fact that inspite

> > of

> > > >>> the fact

> > > >>> > > > that ASU are ancient systems of medicne, there is no organised

> > > >>> documentation

> > > >>> > > > of this science, or if it exists, it is not dissemniated well.

> > In

> > > >>> fact to

> > > >>> > > > tell you the truth, allopathic medicnes face stringent

> > regulations

> > > >>> vis a vis

> > > >>> > > > clinical trials, safety issues, standardisation, licensing etc

> > and

> > > >>> I guess

> > > >>> > > > this has led to a more scientific and organised approach to

> > this

> > > >>> science.

> > > >>> > > > ASU is also going through this growth, and this is not edema,

> > but

> > > >>> maybe a

> > > >>> > > > healthy baby taking shape!

> > > >>> > > > Madam Kunda's call for mutual respect and coordiantion is a

> > call in

> > > >>> the

> > > >>> > > > right direction, for all of us to respond to.

> > > >>> > > > Dr Rastogi's letter is an eyeopener...

> > > >>> > > > Dr Galib mentions one example where the efficacy of an

> > allopathic

> > > >>> medicne is

> > > >>> > > > enhanc

> > > >>> > > > ed by an ayurvedic preparation. I am sure there are many such

> > > >>> examples....

> > > >>> > > > DO dig in to the literature and let us know...

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > Thanks to all and keep posting

> > > >>> > > > And Dr Vijay...when are you refereeing for us???

> > > >>> > > > Chetna

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > 2009/4/11 sanjeev rastogi <rastogisanjeev@ ...>

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Dear Dr Chetna ,

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > I wish to submit a recently appeared coorespondance of mine

> > in

> > > >>> Current

> > > >>> > > > > science which suggests for an umbrella approach as an ideal

> > > >>> health care

> > > >>> > > > > system to India .This would be truly amazing to blend various

> > > >>> system of

> > > >>> > > > > medicines by their thourough understanding and to see that

> > how

> > > >>> they can

> > > >>> > > > > colloboratively be utilised in total health care.

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > Dr Sanjeev Rastogi

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 Chetna Desai wrote :

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >Dear all,

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >Welcome back to a new discussion ...

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >* " Coexistence of pathies in patient care..*.beginning today

> > and

> > > >>> lasting

> > > >>> > > > > >until 15th.

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > " The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H)

> > consist

> > > >>> of

> > > >>> > > > > >Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such

> > as

> > > >>> Yoga and

> > > >>> > > > > >Naturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others

> > > >>> have over the

> > > >>> > > > > >years

> > > >>> > > > > >become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh

> > ISM & H

> > > >>> > > > > practitioners

> > > >>> > > > > >in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums

> > and

> > > >>> also in

> > > >>> > > > > the

> > > >>> > > > > >urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their

> > due

> > > >>> > > > > recognition

> > > >>> > > > > >in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised

> > and

> > > >>> > > > > commercialised

> > > >>> > > > > >too!

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon

> > the

> > > >>> modern

> > > >>> > > > > >systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at

> > best

> > > >>> or disdain

> > > >>> > > > > at

> > > >>> > > > > >worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their

> > counterparts!

> > > >>> > > > > >So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we

> > have a

> > > >>> more open

> > > >>> > > > > >and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build

> > a

> > > >>> consensus

> > > >>> > > > > on

> > > >>> > > > > >this, through this forum.

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >I would suggest following up this topic on these lines....

> > > >>> > > > > >1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient

> > > >>> > > > > care...meaning,

> > > >>> > > > > >how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from

> > different

> > > >>> systems of

> > > >>> > > > > >medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

> > > >>> > > > > >2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?

> > > >>> > > > > >3. Can these different systems of medicine be used

> > concurrently

> > > >>> to the

> > > >>> > > > > >patient's advantage? If so, how?

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given

> > the

> > > >>> constraint

> > > >>> > > > > of

> > > >>> > > > > >time.

> > > >>> > > > > >Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians.

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >Happy posting

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >Dr Chetna Desai

> > > >>> > > > > >Department of Pharmacology

> > > >>> > > > > >B. J. Medical College

> > > >>> > > > > >Ahmedabad 380016

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > >Visit

> > > >>> > > > > >http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

> > > >>> > > > > >http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> > > >>> > > > > >www.poliofoundatio n.org

> > > >>> > > > > Dr.Sanjeev Rastogi

> > > >>> > > > > MD,D.Yoga,CAc( China),DHHM, GHC(US)

> > > >>> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ ________

> > > >>> > > > > Lecturer

> > > >>> > > > > Post Graduate Dept. of Kaya Chikitsa

> > > >>> > > > > State Ayurvedic College & Hospital

> > > >>> > > > > Tulsi Das Marg

> > > >>> > > > > Lucknow -226004

> > > >>> > > > > India

> > > >>> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________

> > > >>> > > > > Honorary consultant

> > > >>> > > > > Dept.of Holistic Medicine

> > > >>> > > > > Body & Mind Clinic and Research Center

> > > >>> > > > > Vatsala Hospital,

> > > >>> > > > > Tulsi Das Marg, Lucknow-4

> > > >>> > > > > India

> > > >>> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _______

> > > >>> > > > > www.bmcrcayurveda. com

> > > >>> > > > > rastogisanjeev@ ...

> > > >>> > > > > call:0091-94150- 22955

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > > <http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_

> > nx.ads/www.

> > > >>> rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle?>

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > > >

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > --

> > > >>> > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > >>> > > > Department of Pharmacology

> > > >>> > > > B. J. Medical College

> > > >>> > > > Ahmedabad 380016

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > > > Visit

> > > >>> > > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

> > > >>> > > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> > > >>> > > > www.poliofoundation .org

> > > >>> > > >

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> > http://messenger.

> > > >>> / invite/ <http://messenger./invite/>

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> >

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> --

> > > >> Dr Chetna Desai

> > > >> Department of Pharmacology

> > > >> B. J. Medical College

> > > >> Ahmedabad 380016

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Visit

> > > >> http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org/>

> > > >> http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.com/>

> > > >> www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofoundation.org/>

> > > >>

> > > >> ------------------------------

> > > >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.<

> >

http://in.rd./tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger./invite/

> > >

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > Department of Pharmacology

> > > > B. J. Medical College

> > > > Ahmedabad 380016

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit

> > > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org/>

> > > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.com/>

> > > > www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofoundation.org/>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------

> > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.<

> >

http://in.rd./tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger./invite/

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >--

> > >Dr Chetna Desai

> > >Department of Pharmacology

> > >B. J. Medical College

> > >Ahmedabad 380016

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Visit

> > >http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org

> > >http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.com

> > >www.poliofoundation.org

> > Dr.Sanjeev Rastogi

> > MD,D.Yoga,CAc(China),DHHM,GHC(US)

> > _______________________________________________

> > Lecturer

> > Post Graduate Dept. of Kaya Chikitsa

> > State Ayurvedic College & Hospital

> > Tulsi Das Marg

> > Lucknow -226004

> > India

> > _______________________________________

> > Honorary consultant

> > Dept.of Holistic Medicine

> > Body & Mind Clinic and Research Center

> > Vatsala Hospital,

> > Tulsi Das Marg, Lucknow-4

> > India

> > ______________________________________________

> > www.bmcrcayurveda.com

> > rastogisanjeev@...

> > call:0091-94150-22955

> >

> >

<http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatur\

eline.htm@Middle?>

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr Chetna Desai

> Department of Pharmacology

> B. J. Medical College

> Ahmedabad 380016

>

>

>

> Visit

> http://www.pharmacologybjmc.org

> http://pharmacbjmc.110mb.com

> www.poliofoundation.org

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi,

Let us hope that the things will improve as expected.

It has been years since we have been discussion integration of pathies. God only

knows why the different political parties which have ruled in India over the

years, have failed to take any committed action in the matter. The " WILL " to set

the things right is lacking.

Vijay

>

> > >>> > > >

>

> > >>> > > > Dear Drs Rastogi, Savrikar and Madam Kunda

>

> > >>> > > > When this topic was considered, i had not anticipated these

>

> > >>> brilliant

>

> > >>> > > > responses.I am more than satisfied that the issue that has been at

>

> > >>> the back

>

> > >>> > > > of everyone;s minds is being discussed in open..no hold barred!!

>

> > >>> > > > Dr Savrikar, I agree with your need for a separate identity for

>

> > >>> alternative

>

> > >>> > > > systems and also a appropriate representation with the policy

>

> > >>> makers too.

>

> > >>> > > > However, lets not get too personal here. The reasons for such

>

> > >>> situations

>

> > >>> > > > that you described are manifold. It is also a fact that inspite of

>

> > >>> the fact

>

> > >>> > > > that ASU are ancient systems of medicne, there is no organised

>

> > >>> documentation

>

> > >>> > > > of this science, or if it exists, it is not dissemniated well. In

>

> > >>> fact to

>

> > >>> > > > tell you the truth, allopathic medicnes face stringent regulations

>

> > >>> vis a vis

>

> > >>> > > > clinical trials, safety issues, standardisation, licensing etc and

>

> > >>> I guess

>

> > >>> > > > this has led to a more scientific and organised approach to this

>

> > >>> science.

>

> > >>> > > > ASU is also going through this growth, and this is not edema, but

>

> > >>> maybe a

>

> > >>> > > > healthy baby taking shape!

>

> > >>> > > > Madam Kunda's call for mutual respect and coordiantion is a call

in

>

> > >>> the

>

> > >>> > > > right direction, for all of us to respond to.

>

> > >>> > > > Dr Rastogi's letter is an eyeopener...

>

> > >>> > > > Dr Galib mentions one example where the efficacy of an allopathic

>

> > >>> medicne is

>

> > >>> > > > enhanc

>

> > >>> > > > ed by an ayurvedic preparation. I am sure there are many such

>

> > >>> examples....

>

> > >>> > > > DO dig in to the literature and let us know...

>

> > >>> > > >

>

> > >>> > > > Thanks to all and keep posting

>

> > >>> > > > And Dr Vijay...when are you refereeing for us???

>

> > >>> > > > Chetna

>

> > >>> > > >

>

> > >>> > > > 2009/4/11 sanjeev rastogi <rastogisanjeev@ ...>

>

> > >>> > > >

>

> > >>> > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > Dear Dr Chetna ,

>

> > >>> > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > I wish to submit a recently appeared coorespondance of mine in

>

> > >>> Current

>

> > >>> > > > > science which suggests for an umbrella approach as an ideal

>

> > >>> health care

>

> > >>> > > > > system to India .This would be truly amazing to blend various

>

> > >>> system of

>

> > >>> > > > > medicines by their thourough understanding and to see that how

>

> > >>> they can

>

> > >>> > > > > colloboratively be utilised in total health care.

>

> > >>> > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > Dr Sanjeev Rastogi

>

> > >>> > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 Chetna Desai wrote :

>

> > >>> > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > >Dear all,

>

> > >>> > > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > >Welcome back to a new discussion ...

>

> > >>> > > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > >* " Coexistence of pathies in patient care..*.beginning today and

>

> > >>> lasting

>

> > >>> > > > > >until 15th.

>

> > >>> > > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > > " The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist

>

> > >>> of

>

> > >>> > > > > >Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as

>

> > >>> Yoga and

>

> > >>> > > > > >Naturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others

>

> > >>> have over the

>

> > >>> > > > > >years

>

> > >>> > > > > >become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H

>

> > >>> > > > > practitioners

>

> > >>> > > > > >in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and

>

> > >>> also in

>

> > >>> > > > > the

>

> > >>> > > > > >urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their

due

>

> > >>> > > > > recognition

>

> > >>> > > > > >in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and

>

> > >>> > > > > commercialised

>

> > >>> > > > > >too!

>

> > >>> > > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > >Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the

>

> > >>> modern

>

> > >>> > > > > >systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best

>

> > >>> or disdain

>

> > >>> > > > > at

>

> > >>> > > > > >worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!

>

> > >>> > > > > >So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a

>

> > >>> more open

>

> > >>> > > > > >and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a

>

> > >>> consensus

>

> > >>> > > > > on

>

> > >>> > > > > >this, through this forum.

>

> > >>> > > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > >I would suggest following up this topic on these lines....

>

> > >>> > > > > >1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient

>

> > >>> > > > > care...meaning,

>

> > >>> > > > > >how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different

>

> > >>> systems of

>

> > >>> > > > > >medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

>

> > >>> > > > > >2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?

>

> > >>> > > > > >3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently

>

> > >>> to the

>

> > >>> > > > > >patient's advantage? If so, how?

>

> > >>> > > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > >We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the

>

> > >>> constraint

>

> > >>> > > > > of

>

> > >>> > > > > >time.

>

> > >>> > > > > >Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians.

>

> > >>> > > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > >Happy posting

>

> > >>> > > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > >Dr Chetna Desai

>

> > >>> > > > > >Department of Pharmacology

>

> > >>> > > > > >B. J. Medical College

>

> > >>> > > > > >Ahmedabad 380016

>

> > >>> > > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > >Visit

>

> > >>> > > > > >http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

>

> > >>> > > > > >http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

>

> > >>> > > > > >www.poliofoundatio n.org

>

> > >>> > > > > Dr.Sanjeev Rastogi

>

> > >>> > > > > MD,D.Yoga,CAc( China),DHHM, GHC(US)

>

> > >>> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ ________

>

> > >>> > > > > Lecturer

>

> > >>> > > > > Post Graduate Dept. of Kaya Chikitsa

>

> > >>> > > > > State Ayurvedic College & Hospital

>

> > >>> > > > > Tulsi Das Marg

>

> > >>> > > > > Lucknow -226004

>

> > >>> > > > > India

>

> > >>> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________

>

> > >>> > > > > Honorary consultant

>

> > >>> > > > > Dept.of Holistic Medicine

>

> > >>> > > > > Body & Mind Clinic and Research Center

>

> > >>> > > > > Vatsala Hospital,

>

> > >>> > > > > Tulsi Das Marg, Lucknow-4

>

> > >>> > > > > India

>

> > >>> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _______

>

> > >>> > > > > www.bmcrcayurveda. com

>

> > >>> > > > > rastogisanjeev@ ...

>

> > >>> > > > > call:0091-94150- 22955

>

> > >>> > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > > <http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www.

>

> > >>> rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle?>

>

> > >>> > > > >

>

> > >>> > > > >

>

> > >>> > > >

>

> > >>> > > >

>

> > >>> > > >

>

> > >>> > > > --

>

> > >>> > > > Dr Chetna Desai

>

> > >>> > > > Department of Pharmacology

>

> > >>> > > > B. J. Medical College

>

> > >>> > > > Ahmedabad 380016

>

> > >>> > > >

>

> > >>> > > >

>

> > >>> > > >

>

> > >>> > > > Visit

>

> > >>> > > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

>

> > >>> > > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

>

> > >>> > > > www.poliofoundation .org

>

> > >>> > > >

>

> > >>> > >

>

> > >>> > >

>

> > >>> > >

>

> > >>> > >

>

> > >>> > >

>

> > >>> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

http://messenger.

>

> > >>> / invite/ <http://messenger. / invite/>

>

> > >>> > >

>

> > >>> >

>

> > >>>

>

> > >>>

>

> > >>

>

> > >>

>

> > >> --

>

> > >> Dr Chetna Desai

>

> > >> Department of Pharmacology

>

> > >> B. J. Medical College

>

> > >> Ahmedabad 380016

>

> > >>

>

> > >>

>

> > >>

>

> > >> Visit

>

> > >> http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org/>

>

> > >> http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com/>

>

>

> > >> www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofou ndation.org/>

>

> > >>

>

> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

>

> > >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them

now.<http://in.rd. / tagline_messenge r_6/*http: //messenger.

/ invite/>

>

>

> > >>

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > --

>

> > > Dr Chetna Desai

>

> > > Department of Pharmacology

>

> > > B. J. Medical College

>

> > > Ahmedabad 380016

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Visit

>

> > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org <http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org/>

>

> > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com <http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com/>

>

>

> > > www.poliofoundation .org <http://www.poliofou ndation.org/>

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > ------------ --------- ---------

>

> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them

now.<http://in.rd. / tagline_messenge r_6/*http: //messenger.

/ invite/>

>

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >--

>

> >Dr Chetna Desai

>

> >Department of Pharmacology

>

> >B. J. Medical College

>

> >Ahmedabad 380016

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >Visit

>

> >http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

>

> >http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

>

> >www.poliofoundation .org

>

>

>

>

>

> Dr.Sanjeev Rastogi

>

>

> MD,D.Yoga,CAc( China),DHHM, GHC(US)

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ ________

>

>

> Lecturer

>

>

> Post Graduate Dept. of Kaya Chikitsa

>

>

> State Ayurvedic College &  Hospital

>

>

> Tulsi Das Marg

>

>

> Lucknow -226004

>

>

> India

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________

>

>

> Honorary consultant 

>

>

> Dept.of Holistic Medicine

>

>

> Body &  Mind Clinic and Research Center

>

>

> Vatsala Hospital,

>

>

> Tulsi Das Marg, Lucknow-4

>

>

> India

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _______

>

>

> www.bmcrcayurveda. com

>

>

> rastogisanjeev@ rediffmail. com

>

>

> call:0091-94150- 22955

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --

> Dr Chetna Desai

> Department of Pharmacology

> B. J. Medical College

> Ahmedabad 380016

>

>

>

> Visit

> http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

>

> http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

> www.poliofoundation .org

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi,

Dr Urmila Thatte from Nayar Hospital Mumbai has conducted many capacity building

workshops on traditional-herbal medicines. I attended one such workshop for 7

days, about a decade back which was sponsored by ICMR. The workshop did give

insight in Ayurveda also. My initiation in herbal medicine research is credited

to them.

Vijay

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Dear Drs Rastogi, Savrikar and Madam Kunda

>

> > > > > When this topic was considered, i had not anticipated these brilliant

>

> > > > > responses.I am more than satisfied that the issue that has been at the

back

>

> > > > > of everyone;s minds is being discussed in open..no hold barred!!

>

> > > > > Dr Savrikar, I agree with your need for a separate identity for

alternative

>

> > > > > systems and also a appropriate representation with the policy makers

too.

>

> > > > > However, lets not get too personal here. The reasons for such

situations

>

> > > > > that you described are manifold. It is also a fact that inspite of the

fact

>

> > > > > that ASU are ancient systems of medicne, there is no organised

documentation

>

> > > > > of this science, or if it exists, it is not dissemniated well. In fact

to

>

> > > > > tell you the truth, allopathic medicnes face stringent regulations vis

a vis

>

> > > > > clinical trials, safety issues, standardisation, licensing etc and I

guess

>

> > > > > this has led to a more scientific and organised approach to this

science.

>

> > > > > ASU is also going through this growth, and this is not edema, but

maybe a

>

> > > > > healthy baby taking shape!

>

> > > > > Madam Kunda's call for mutual respect and coordiantion is a call in

the

>

> > > > > right direction, for all of us to respond to.

>

> > > > > Dr Rastogi's letter is an eyeopener...

>

> > > > > Dr Galib mentions one example where the efficacy of an allopathic

medicne is

>

> > > > > enhanc

>

> > > > > ed by an ayurvedic preparation. I am sure there are many such

examples....

>

> > > > > DO dig in to the literature and let us know...

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Thanks to all and keep posting

>

> > > > > And Dr Vijay...when are you refereeing for us???

>

> > > > > Chetna

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > 2009/4/11 sanjeev rastogi <rastogisanjeev@ ...>

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Dear Dr Chetna ,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > I wish to submit a recently appeared coorespondance of mine in

Current

>

> > > > > > science which suggests for an umbrella approach as an ideal health

care

>

> > > > > > system to India .This would be truly amazing to blend various system

of

>

> > > > > > medicines by their thourough understanding and to see that how they

can

>

> > > > > > colloboratively be utilised in total health care.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Dr Sanjeev Rastogi

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 Chetna Desai wrote :

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >Dear all,

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >Welcome back to a new discussion ...

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >* " Coexistence of pathies in patient care..*.beginning today and

lasting

>

> > > > > > >until 15th.

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > " The Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeopathy (ISM & H) consist of

>

> > > > > > >Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani and Homoeopathy, and therapies such as Yoga

and

>

> > > > > > >Naturopathy. Some of these systems are indigenous and others have

over the

>

> > > > > > >years

>

> > > > > > >become a part of Indian tradition. There are over 6 lakh ISM & H

>

> > > > > > practitioners

>

> > > > > > >in India alone.They serve in remote rural areas/urban slums and

also in

>

> > > > > > the

>

> > > > > > >urban community. These systems of medicine are gaining their due

>

> > > > > > recognition

>

> > > > > > >in India and worldwide; to the extent of being glamorised and

>

> > > > > > commercialised

>

> > > > > > >too!

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >Traditionally the practitioners of these systems look upon the

modern

>

> > > > > > >systems of medicine such as allopathy with a guardedly at best or

disdain

>

> > > > > > at

>

> > > > > > >worst; and the feeling is reciprocated by their counterparts!

>

> > > > > > >So where does the patient stand amidst all these? Can we have a

more open

>

> > > > > > >and " Accepting " approach towards each other? Well lets build a

consensus

>

> > > > > > on

>

> > > > > > >this, through this forum.

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >I would suggest following up this topic on these lines...

>

> > > > > > >1. What is the extent of coexistence of pathies in patient

>

> > > > > > care...meaning,

>

> > > > > > >how often do patients take medicines/treatment s from different

systems of

>

> > > > > > >medicine; why they do it and for which particular ailments?

>

> > > > > > >2. What are the hazards, if any, of this practice?

>

> > > > > > >3. Can these different systems of medicine be used concurrently to

the

>

> > > > > > >patient's advantage? If so, how?

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >We could discuss these three threads simultaneously, given the

constraint

>

> > > > > > of

>

> > > > > > >time.

>

> > > > > > >Inviting inputs from all NetRUMians.

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >Happy posting

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >Dr Chetna Desai

>

> > > > > > >Department of Pharmacology

>

> > > > > > >B. J. Medical College

>

> > > > > > >Ahmedabad 380016

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >Visit

>

> > > > > > >http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

>

> > > > > > >http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

>

> > > > > > >www.poliofoundatio n.org

>

> > > > > > Dr.Sanjeev Rastogi

>

> > > > > > MD,D.Yoga,CAc( China),DHHM, GHC(US)

>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ ________

>

> > > > > > Lecturer

>

> > > > > > Post Graduate Dept. of Kaya Chikitsa

>

> > > > > > State Ayurvedic College & Hospital

>

> > > > > > Tulsi Das Marg

>

> > > > > > Lucknow -226004

>

> > > > > > India

>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________

>

> > > > > > Honorary consultant

>

> > > > > > Dept.of Holistic Medicine

>

> > > > > > Body & Mind Clinic and Research Center

>

> > > > > > Vatsala Hospital,

>

> > > > > > Tulsi Das Marg, Lucknow-4

>

> > > > > > India

>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _______

>

> > > > > > www.bmcrcayurveda. com

>

> > > > > > rastogisanjeev@ ...

>

> > > > > > call:0091-94150- 22955

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > <http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www.

rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle? >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > --

>

> > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

>

> > > > > Department of Pharmacology

>

> > > > > B. J. Medical College

>

> > > > > Ahmedabad 380016

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Visit

>

> > > > > http://www.pharmaco logybjmc. org

>

> > > > > http://pharmacbjmc. 110mb.com

>

> > > > > www.poliofoundation .org

>

> > > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.

/ invite/

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >      Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.

/ invite/

>

>

>

>

>

> Dr.Sanjeev Rastogi

>

>

> MD,D.Yoga,CAc( China),DHHM, GHC(US)

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ ________

>

>

> Lecturer

>

>

> Post Graduate Dept. of Kaya Chikitsa

>

>

> State Ayurvedic College &  Hospital

>

>

> Tulsi Das Marg

>

>

> Lucknow -226004

>

>

> India

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________

>

>

> Honorary consultant 

>

>

> Dept.of Holistic Medicine

>

>

> Body &  Mind Clinic and Research Center

>

>

> Vatsala Hospital,

>

>

> Tulsi Das Marg, Lucknow-4

>

>

> India

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _______

>

>

> www.bmcrcayurveda. com

>

>

> rastogisanjeev@ rediffmail. com

>

>

> call:0091-94150- 22955

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...