Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 I start with the disclosure that I am not a medical or medical-related professional. I am an engineer with 35 years experience, but I am generally very concerned about health and safety of the society in general and about that of the disadvantaged sections in particular. I have had many interactions with medical doctors. I narrate a couple of them. Once a relative of mine was admitted to a maternity home after she developed labour pains (It was her first delivery). The doctor asked her: `would you like to take an epidural injection?'. The poor soul did not understand what it meant and with the pain she was having, she was in no mental state to think and answer that question. She turned to her young husband who simply answered: `Please do whatever you think is good for the patient and the about-to-be-born child'. The patient and her husband had no information about this injection and its pros and cons. What answer did the doctor expect? Did the doctor want to make the patient feel like a queen or a king ? Did she (lady doctor) want to shift the responsibility of consequences of taking the epidural to the patient? Well, all is well that ends well; no epidural was taken; delivery was normal and everything was fine. In another instance, when I went to a doctor with abdominal pain, the doctor said I must go in for a scan. Then he asked:` would you like to go in for an ultrasound or for a CT scan?' I did not understand the import of the question. Probably he wished to know whether I could afford the high cost of a CT scan, but he never mentioned that in clear terms. What answer did he expect from me? What information did I have to make a decision? I simply said: `I will do as you say'. I wonder whether the doctor should consider the consumer (the patient) as the queen or king. According to me, he or she should treat all patients as equal and do whatever is the best in the circumstances. He should do what he would have done if he himself were the patient. S. Gopalkunda gharpure <gharpurekunda@...> wrote: Hello All, My earlier post was to stimulate you to think about the topic from a patient's point of view. The subject for discussion is very interesting in the sense that it may not require any Net references . The discussion will be mostly based on individual opinions. we would like to discuss the followuing points - Who is a consumer? What is his place in market economy? Does this hold true for pharmaceutical industry ? why Pharma industry is different? State of doctor - patient relationship in our country so get going and lets have a lively discussion- kunda Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Dear Madam Kunda, The consumer is the king in the things he purchases.In contrast, medical profession is different. He could be a king if he is well informed of the latest in medicine, else he is left at the mercy of the doctors. If he takes the medicines of govt supply, not much to contribute to market economy except of the yearly health budget. But if treatment is on payment, the market could be large. The consumer awareness is increasing with more and more medical cases coming up in consumer courts. I was very much enlightened with Mr Gopal's contribution. Anupama.kunda gharpure <gharpurekunda@...> wrote: Hello All, My earlier post was to stimulate you to think about the topic from a patient's point of view. The subject for discussion is very interesting in the sense that it may not require any Net references . The discussion will be mostly based on individual opinions. we would like to discuss the followuing points - Who is a consumer? What is his place in market economy? Does this hold true for pharmaceutical industry ? why Pharma industry is different? State of doctor - patient relationship in our country so get going and lets have a lively discussion- kunda Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Click here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 hello all It is very interesting topic to discuss because through this we can come to know the exact status of consumer in such marketing monopoly. "king or victim" cant say exactly....Ideally thinking consumer should be king..but very few consumers are aware about drug prices . even most of them dont know that there is something like cheaper medicines. most of them think that expensive the drug, better is its effect.this concept is very deeply rooted in their mind.also they have tenacious of thing that "doctors are god" whatever they prescribe is like "prasad"..one has to eat that.consumers from remote places like from madhya pradesh, they dont understand even the hindi language properly..and how come we expect from them to understand about drugs.Ignorance is in well eduvated people..what to say about countryside..very bad situation. most important thing to solve this is to educate them about drug pricing. mannuals should be circulated which should be written in vernacular language. As far as the current scenario is concerned, consumer is victim....victim of irrational prescribers....victim of marketing people...victim of iliteracy about drugs. there should be perfect balance between prescibers and consumers..Unbalanced situation will serve purpose thank god..netrum is there to make some awareness in consumers.. regards sarangkunda gharpure <gharpurekunda@...> wrote: Hello All, My earlier post was to stimulate you to think about the topic from a patient's point of view. The subject for discussion is very interesting in the sense that it may not require any Net references . The discussion will be mostly based on individual opinions. we would like to discuss the followuing points - Who is a consumer? What is his place in market economy? Does this hold true for pharmaceutical industry ? why Pharma industry is different? State of doctor - patient relationship in our country so get going and lets have a lively discussion- kunda Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. DR.SARANG DESHMUKHJR-1 PHARMACOLOGYROOM NO.40NEW PG HOSTELGMCNAGPUR-440003 Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Hi Gopal Not all members of NetRUM are doctors.We appreciate your concern for the rational issues and welcome your contribution.Keep networking if you want the doctors to understand your point of view.We do not assure to deliver much but are making a small effort to change the existing scenerio. I feel that in India the patient is no way closer to becoming a King. Starved of medicine information, mostly taken for granted, always bullied, usually exploited, always at receiving end and absolutely powerless. Right from the policy makers, drug regulators, pharmaceutical industry, prescribing doctors, dispensing pharmacists - not many show concern for the patients. While what is needed is patient empowerment to make them the kings, they are paupers in medicine related environs. Dr Vijay Thawani > Hello All, > My earlier post was to stimulate you to think about the topic from a patient's point of view. The subject for discussion is very interesting in the sense that it may not require any Net references . The discussion will be mostly based on individual opinions. > we would like to discuss the followuing points - > > Who is a consumer? > What is his place in market economy? > Does this hold true for pharmaceutical industry ? > why Pharma industry is different? > State of doctor - patient relationship in our country > > so get going and lets have a lively discussion- > kunda > > > > --------------------------------- > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. > > > > > --------------------------------- > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click here. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Dear Madam A nice topic indeed. To me consumer has never been the king when it comes to being a patient. Actually indirectly the " consumer " is the prescriber since he decides which medicine the patient takes. And in that case he is the king. I have a suggestion, if Dr Vijay agrees and if you think its OK.. Each of us invites five of our friends (non medical) who can opine in this forum. Lets have the opinion from the horses' mouth! chetna On 24/09/2007, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote: Hi GopalNot all members of NetRUM are doctors.We appreciate your concern for the rational issues and welcome your contribution.Keep networking if you want the doctors to understand your point of view.We do not assure to deliver much but are making a small effort to change the existing scenerio.I feel that in India the patient is no way closer to becoming a King. Starved of medicine information, mostly taken for granted, always bullied, usually exploited, always at receiving end and absolutely powerless. Right from the policy makers, drug regulators, pharmaceutical industry, prescribing doctors, dispensing pharmacists - not many show concern for the patients. While what is needed is patient empowerment to make them the kings, they are paupers in medicine related environs.Dr Vijay Thawani > Hello All,> My earlier post was to stimulate you to think about the topic from a patient's point of view. The subject for discussion is very interesting in the sense that it may not require any Net references . The discussion will be mostly based on individual opinions.> we would like to discuss the followuing points -> > Who is a consumer? > What is his place in market economy?> Does this hold true for pharmaceutical industry ?> why Pharma industry is different?> State of doctor - patient relationship in our country> > so get going and lets have a lively discussion- > kunda> > > > ---------------------------------> Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download.> > > > > --------------------------------- > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click here.> -- Dr Chetna Desai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Greetings!Can we people not get more aggressive ? I don't mean any violence. More and more articles in the print press and more exposure to the topic in the television media ? Do you want me to file any application under RTI ? Please let me know.Last week I saw an interesting discussion programme on DD (National) in Hindi; the panelists were Dr. K. K. Agrawal (cardiologists association), chief of the medical council of Delhi, and an orthopaedic surgeon. It was a phone-in programme and many issues we raise here were raised in that debate as well.Please suggest like-minded people in Bangalore so that I can meet them and find out whether we can do something in this region. The situation is alarming.Sincerely,S. Gopal------------Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote: Hi Gopal Not all members of NetRUM are doctors.We appreciate your concern for the rational issues and welcome your contribution.Keep networking if you want the doctors to understand your point of view.We do not assure to deliver much but are making a small effort to change the existing scenerio. I feel that in India the patient is no way closer to becoming a King. Starved of medicine information, mostly taken for granted, always bullied, usually exploited, always at receiving end and absolutely powerless. Right from the policy makers, drug regulators, pharmaceutical industry, prescribing doctors, dispensing pharmacists - not many show concern for the patients. While what is needed is patient empowerment to make them the kings, they are paupers in medicine related environs. Dr Vijay Thawani > Hello All, > My earlier post was to stimulate you to think about the topic from a patient's point of view. The subject for discussion is very interesting in the sense that it may not require any Net references . The discussion will be mostly based on individual opinions. > we would like to discuss the followuing points - > > Who is a consumer? > What is his place in market economy? > Does this hold true for pharmaceutical industry ? > why Pharma industry is different? > State of doctor - patient relationship in our country > > so get going and lets have a lively discussion- > kunda > > > > --------------------------------- > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. > > > > > --------------------------------- > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click here. > Flying to Bangalore or Bhopal? Search for tickets here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Hi No probs from my side. Please go ahead and invite.Please instruct them to mention while applying for membership that they should mention they are coming through whom. That will speeden their intake in NetRUM. No filters. More the merry! Vijay > > > Hello All, > > > My earlier post was to stimulate you to think about the topic > > from a patient's point of view. The subject for discussion is very > > interesting in the sense that it may not require any Net > > references . The discussion will be mostly based on individual > > opinions. > > > we would like to discuss the followuing points - > > > > > > Who is a consumer? > > > What is his place in market economy? > > > Does this hold true for pharmaceutical industry ? > > > why Pharma industry is different? > > > State of doctor - patient relationship in our country > > > > > > so get going and lets have a lively discussion- > > > kunda > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without > > download. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr Chetna Desai > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Hi Will get back with the desired info to you tomorrow. Vijay > > Hello All, > > My earlier post was to stimulate you to think about the topic > from a patient's point of view. The subject for discussion is very > interesting in the sense that it may not require any Net > references . The discussion will be mostly based on individual > opinions. > > we would like to discuss the followuing points - > > > > Who is a consumer? > > What is his place in market economy? > > Does this hold true for pharmaceutical industry ? > > why Pharma industry is different? > > State of doctor - patient relationship in our country > > > > so get going and lets have a lively discussion- > > kunda > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without > download. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Flying to Bangalore or Bhopal? Search for tickets here. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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