Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good, useful and balanced reading?

July 2, 2007

Dear NArendraI do not see any Flaws in your reading pattern. Reading journals (when by choice..forget exams oriented reading) is a personal preference. With so much information flowing in daily one cannot read everything...we have to be selective. I however think editorias make a good reading for the following reasons:

It gives a viewpoint on a topic/ situation by an experienced and learned personIt gives a different perspective to the topic. Good journals make it a point to comment on certain important/new articles published in their editorials.

The language of editorials is usually good.They may also raise certain issues that are not otherwise raised by routine scientific papers. Remember the editorials on Plagiarism, MD curriculum etc in IJP, certain editorials in BMJ, Lancet etc.

Also case reports can be a good reading for beginners. Some are quite anecdotal too!ChetnaOn 02/07/07, Narendra <

naren_bachewar@...> wrote:

Hello madam,

To start the topic I will describe my readings.

Most of the times, I prefer reading Journals like lancet, drugs,

NEJM etc. I read according to my interest topics...like a topic

from CVS or RS......and that to REVIEW.

I rarely go for original or research article directly...I read

those , if I like the conclusion and If it is clinical trial.

I don't remember, when I last read an animal research study. Rarely

I go for editorial and case reports also.

I think there are many flaws in my reading..... But I can't help

myself, as I can't sustain with non-interesting articles.

Regards

Dr. Narendra

GMC, Nagpur

>

> Hello all

> Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to begin

tomorrow and last

> until 10th July.

>

> Scientific journals contribute significantly to our academic

development.

> All of us have read journals at various times. Some are avid

readers, others

> read them less often. Our necessity to read journals varies as we

progress

> in our profession. Initially we read them to collect relevant

references for

> our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize ourselves with the

recent

> advances and current topics of interest. Still later we either

specialize or

> develop varied interests and become more choosy, critical about

the journals

> we choose to read. With limited time and access to journals (Good

Print

> journals are not available at many places and often have to rely

on online

> ones) one has to learn to choose.

>

> Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate scientific papers

is one of

> the most important long-term skills required for success in

science, both

> during and after graduate training. Certain departments

have " Journal Club "

> format as one of the approaches to teaching the elements that make

for

> careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking about

scientific papers

> to teach these skills. The papers that are presented focus on a

different

> topic or set of topics each year, so that students learn new areas

of

> pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the more general

skills

> above.

>

> So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM

>

> *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good, useful

and balanced

> reading?*

>

> *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*

>

> - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the

> current concepts and preferences in scientific reading.*

>

> - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*

>

> - *· **In the process also learn to do some good

scientific

> writing.*

>

> *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*

>

> 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently read. Also

tell us how

> frequently you read these journals.

>

> 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?

>

> 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. Why?

> 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look for…

Review/original

> research papers/ short communications/ case reports/ letters to

the editor

> etc)

>

> 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of topics

would you

> look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical research/animal

studies/..

> ....

>

> Your answers to these queries will provide the thread that will

string the

> fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the beginning.:-)

> Dr Chetna Desai

>

-- Dr Chetna Desai

July 2, 2007

Thank you madam for your learned words, madam , can you clear my ideas about differentiating between an editorial and a Review. I personally think review as a better source knowledge...as it is written with proper reference....here author do not emphasize on his own ideas. But in editorial....most of the times its the thinking of editor, expressed in words.....In this case you may not see both the side of a coin. Regards Dr. Narendra GMC, Nagpur Chetna Desai <chetna99@...> wrote: Dear NArendraI do not see any Flaws in your reading pattern. Reading journals (when by choice..forget exams oriented reading) is a personal preference. With so much information flowing in daily one cannot read everything...we have to be selective. I however think editorias make a good reading for the following reasons: It gives a viewpoint on a topic/ situation by an experienced and learned person It gives a different perspective to the topic. Good journals make it a point to comment on certain important/new articles published in their editorials. The language of editorials is usually good. They may also raise certain issues that are not otherwise raised by routine scientific papers. Remember the editorials on Plagiarism, MD curriculum etc in IJP, certain editorials in BMJ, Lancet etc.

Also case reports can be a good reading for beginners. Some are quite anecdotal too!Chetna On 02/07/07, Narendra < naren_bachewar (DOT) co.in> wrote: Hello madam,To start the topic I will describe my readings.Most of the times, I prefer reading Journals like lancet, drugs, NEJM etc. I read according to my interest topics...like a topic from CVS or RS......and that to REVIEW.I rarely go for original or research article directly...I read those , if I like the conclusion and If it is clinical trial.I don't remember, when I last read an animal research study. Rarely I go for editorial and case reports also.I think

there are many flaws in my reading..... But I can't help myself, as I can't sustain with non-interesting articles.RegardsDr. NarendraGMC, Nagpur >> Hello all> Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to begin tomorrow and last> until 10th July.> > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our academic development.> All of us have read journals at various times. Some are avid readers, others> read them less often. Our necessity to read journals varies as we progress> in our profession. Initially we read them to collect relevant references for> our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize ourselves with the recent> advances and current

topics of interest. Still later we either specialize or> develop varied interests and become more choosy, critical about the journals> we choose to read. With limited time and access to journals (Good Print> journals are not available at many places and often have to rely on online> ones) one has to learn to choose.> > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate scientific papers is one of> the most important long-term skills required for success in science, both> during and after graduate training. Certain departments have "Journal Club"> format as one of the approaches to teaching the elements that make for> careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking about scientific papers> to teach these skills. The papers that are presented focus on a different> topic or set of topics each year, so that students learn new areas of>

pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the more general skills> above.> > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM> > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good, useful and balanced> reading?*> > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*> > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the> current concepts and preferences in scientific reading.*> > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*> > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good scientific> writing.*> > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*> > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently read. Also tell us how> frequently you read these journals.> > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?> > 3. Which journals do you

prefer..print or online. Why?> 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look for…Review/original> research papers/ short communications/ case reports/ letters to the editor> etc)> > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of topics would you> look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical research/animal studies/..> ....> > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread that will string the> fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the beginning.:-)> Dr Chetna Desai> -- Dr Chetna Desai Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your

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July 2, 2007

Yes NArendraYou are quite right..A review is actually a compilation of information on a particular topic by a person who has worked/has experience in the area. It definitely gives you more scientific information than an editorial. But good editorials not only inform but also interpret, judge and stimulate you to think. Editorials are not usually meant to be sources of information, they are rather viewpoints coming from persons with experience. Both have their own utilities..

ChetnaOn 02/07/07, naren bachewar <naren_bachewar@...> wrote:

Thank you madam for your learned words, madam , can you clear my ideas about differentiating between an editorial and a Review. I personally think review as a better source knowledge...as it is written with proper reference....here author do not emphasize on his own ideas.

But in editorial....most of the times its the thinking of editor, expressed in words.....In this case you may not see both the side of a coin. Regards

Dr. Narendra GMC, Nagpur Chetna Desai <chetna99@...> wrote:

Dear NArendraI do not see any Flaws in your reading pattern. Reading journals (when by choice..forget exams oriented reading) is a personal preference. With so much information flowing in daily one cannot read everything...we have to be selective. I however think editorias make a good reading for the following reasons: It gives a viewpoint on a topic/ situation by an experienced and learned person It gives a different perspective to the topic. Good journals make it a point to comment on certain important/new articles published in their editorials. The language of editorials is usually good. They may also raise certain issues that are not otherwise raised by routine scientific papers. Remember the editorials on Plagiarism, MD curriculum etc in IJP, certain editorials in BMJ, Lancet etc.

Also case reports can be a good reading for beginners. Some are quite anecdotal too!Chetna On 02/07/07, Narendra <

naren_bachewar@...> wrote: Hello madam,

To start the topic I will describe my readings.Most of the times, I prefer reading Journals like lancet, drugs, NEJM etc. I read according to my interest topics...like a topic from CVS or RS......and that to REVIEW.

I rarely go for original or research article directly...I read those , if I like the conclusion and If it is clinical trial.I don't remember, when I last read an animal research study. Rarely I go for editorial and case reports also.

I think

there are many flaws in my reading..... But I can't help myself, as I can't sustain with non-interesting articles.RegardsDr. NarendraGMC, Nagpur >> Hello all> Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to begin tomorrow and last> until 10th July.

> > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our academic development.> All of us have read journals at various times. Some are avid readers, others> read them less often. Our necessity to read journals varies as we progress> in our profession. Initially we read them to collect relevant references for> our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize ourselves with the recent> advances and current

topics of interest. Still later we either specialize or> develop varied interests and become more choosy, critical about the journals> we choose to read. With limited time and access to journals (Good Print> journals are not available at many places and often have to rely on online> ones) one has to learn to choose.> > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate scientific papers is one of> the most important long-term skills required for success in science, both> during and after graduate training. Certain departments have " Journal Club " > format as one of the approaches to teaching the elements that make for> careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking about scientific papers> to teach these skills. The papers that are presented focus on a different> topic or set of topics each year, so that students learn new areas of>

pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the more general skills> above.> > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM> > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good, useful and balanced> reading?*> > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*> > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the> current concepts and preferences in scientific reading.*

> > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*> > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good scientific> writing.*> > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*

> > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently read. Also tell us how> frequently you read these journals.> > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?> > 3. Which journals do you

prefer..print or online. Why?> 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look for…Review/original> research papers/ short communications/ case reports/ letters to the editor> etc)> > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of topics would you> look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical research/animal studies/..> ....> > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread that will string the> fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the beginning.:-)> Dr Chetna Desai>

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July 2, 2007

Hello, I agree with chetna that editorials make a good reading . I would further add, Editorials being an important section of a journal is written with an aim , to comment upon an article being published in the same issue of the journal /to provide a wider view or comment upon some controversial issues related to the interest areas of the journal As it does not have a structured format like an original article ,there is more freedom to write in your own style which is interesting editorials end with a clear message so it clears the doubts which may remain unanswered in the research articles length is short so easy to read !! Mira Desai Chetna Desai <chetna99@...> wrote: Dear NArendraI do not see any Flaws in your reading pattern. Reading journals (when by choice..forget exams oriented reading) is a personal preference. With so much information flowing in daily one cannot read everything...we have to be selective. I however think editorias make a good reading for the following reasons: It gives a viewpoint on a topic/ situation by an experienced and learned person It gives a different perspective to the topic. Good journals make it a point to comment on certain important/new articles published in their editorials. The language of editorials is usually good. They may also raise certain issues that are not otherwise raised by routine scientific papers. Remember the editorials on Plagiarism, MD curriculum etc in IJP, certain editorials in BMJ, Lancet etc. Also case reports can be a good reading for beginners. Some are quite anecdotal too!Chetna On 02/07/07, Narendra < naren_bachewar (DOT) co.in> wrote: Hello madam,To start the topic I will describe my readings.Most of the times, I prefer reading Journals like lancet, drugs, NEJM etc. I read according to my interest topics...like a topic from CVS or RS......and that to REVIEW.I rarely go for original or research article directly...I

read those , if I like the conclusion and If it is clinical trial.I don't remember, when I last read an animal research study. Rarely I go for editorial and case reports also.I think there are many flaws in my reading..... But I can't help myself, as I can't sustain with non-interesting articles.RegardsDr. NarendraGMC, Nagpur >> Hello all> Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to begin tomorrow and last> until 10th July.> > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our academic development.> All of us have read journals at various times. Some are avid readers, others> read them less often. Our necessity to read journals varies as we progress>

in our profession. Initially we read them to collect relevant references for> our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize ourselves with the recent> advances and current topics of interest. Still later we either specialize or> develop varied interests and become more choosy, critical about the journals> we choose to read. With limited time and access to journals (Good Print> journals are not available at many places and often have to rely on online> ones) one has to learn to choose.> > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate scientific papers is one of> the most important long-term skills required for success in science, both> during and after graduate training. Certain departments have "Journal Club"> format as one of the approaches to teaching the elements that make for> careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking about

scientific papers> to teach these skills. The papers that are presented focus on a different> topic or set of topics each year, so that students learn new areas of> pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the more general skills> above.> > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM> > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good, useful and balanced> reading?*> > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*> > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the> current concepts and preferences in scientific reading.*> > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*> > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good scientific> writing.*> > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*> > 1. Tell us about the journals that you

frequently read. Also tell us how> frequently you read these journals.> > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?> > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. Why?> 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look for…Review/original> research papers/ short communications/ case reports/ letters to the editor> etc)> > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of topics would you> look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical research/animal studies/..> ....> > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread that will string the> fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the beginning.:-)> Dr Chetna Desai> -- Dr Chetna Desai

Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers

July 2, 2007

Hi

I am sharing my knowledge on editorials, gained during formal journo

education and training.

The editorial of a journal or editorial page of newspaper attract

the reader as one grows up. Some grow up fast while others take time!

Editorial readership is low but then those who read it do justice to

reading. Usually they are avid readers, who prefer to read good

langauage, grammetically perfect, without bias, without preferential

writings, non-castist, non-partisan and non-political. They are the

qulaity readers who give their quality time to this page.

Most of the readers of editorial are the religious minded,

spiritual, God fearing, with literary interests, who wish to

enlighten their knowledge through self effort.

The editorials are " heavy " material, backed by wisdom of the writer

and editor who edits the manuscript. They are heavy to read and

heavy in value compared to other contents of the publication.

Mostly the editors themselves write the editorials or invite them.

No publication accepts contributed articles for editorials.

Ghost editorials penned by younger ones in the name of seniors,

reveal the folly of plagarised inputs.

Editorials are also called " Grey " material because the black ink on

white paper in editorial only contains text material. No colours and

pictures are there. The monotony of black text gives a grey look.

Editorials are also called " Leader comment " . The writings in these

columns lead the publication and hence it is of value that the

editorials are written by trained,experienced,seasoned, wise persons.

Editorials speak for the policy, colour, slant, inclination of the

publication.

So long.

Vijay

> >

> > Hello all

> > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to begin

> tomorrow and last

> > until 10th July.

> >

> > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our academic

> development.

> > All of us have read journals at various times. Some are avid

> readers, others

> > read them less often. Our necessity to read journals varies as

we

> progress

> > in our profession. Initially we read them to collect relevant

> references for

> > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize ourselves with

the

> recent

> > advances and current topics of interest. Still later we either

> specialize or

> > develop varied interests and become more choosy, critical about

> the journals

> > we choose to read. With limited time and access to journals

(Good

> Print

> > journals are not available at many places and often have to rely

> on online

> > ones) one has to learn to choose.

> >

> > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate scientific

papers

> is one of

> > the most important long-term skills required for success in

> science, both

> > during and after graduate training. Certain departments

> have " Journal Club "

> > format as one of the approaches to teaching the elements that

make

> for

> > careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking about

> scientific papers

> > to teach these skills. The papers that are presented focus on a

> different

> > topic or set of topics each year, so that students learn new

areas

> of

> > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the more

general

> skills

> > above.

> >

> > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM

> >

> > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good, useful

> and balanced

> > reading?*

> >

> > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*

> >

> > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the

> > current concepts and preferences in scientific reading.*

> >

> > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*

> >

> > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good

> scientific

> > writing.*

> >

> > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*

> >

> > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently read. Also

> tell us how

> > frequently you read these journals.

> >

> > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?

> >

> > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. Why?

> > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look for…

> Review/original

> > research papers/ short communications/ case reports/ letters to

> the editor

> > etc)

> >

> > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of topics

> would you

> > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical research/animal

> studies/..

> > ....

> >

> > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread that will

> string the

> > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the beginning.:-)

> > Dr Chetna Desai

> >

>

> --

> Dr Chetna Desai

>

> ---------------------------------

> Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers

>

July 3, 2007

Hi, In response to madam's last question, I should say,one would definitely prefer to read print journals. We can read them even with power-cuts,wherever we feel like-in our study room,garden, while travelling...But, now since very few print journals are available in our libraries, and the cost involved in purchasing, we go for online-journals.Search is easy, plenty of articles on a single topic are available with just a click. Anupama.Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote: Hi ChetnaThanks for the compliments.Vijay> > > >> > > > Hello all> > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to begin> > > tomorrow and last> > > > until 10th July.> > > >> > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our academic> > > development.> > > >

All of us have read journals at various times. Some are avid> > > readers, others> > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read journals varies as> > we> > > progress> > > > in our profession. Initially we read them to collect relevant> > > references for> > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize ourselves with> > the> > > recent> > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still later we either> > > specialize or> > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy, critical about> > > the journals> > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to journals> > (Good> > > Print> > > > journals are not available at many places and often have to rely> > > on online> >

> > ones) one has to learn to choose.> > > >> > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate scientific> > papers> > > is one of> > > > the most important long-term skills required for success in> > > science, both> > > > during and after graduate training. Certain departments> > > have "Journal Club"> > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the elements that> > make> > > for> > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking about> > > scientific papers> > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are presented focus on a> > > different> > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students learn new> > areas> > > of> > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning

the more> > general> > > skills> > > > above.> > > >> > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM> > > >> > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good, useful> > > and balanced> > > > reading?*> > > >> > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*> > > >> > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the> > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific reading.*> > > >> > > >> > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*> > > >> > > >> > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good> > > scientific> > > > writing.*> > > >> > > > *So

Lets begin with responding to the following…*> > > >> > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently read. Also> > > tell us how> > > > frequently you read these journals.> > > >> > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?> > > >> > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. Why?> > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look for…> > > Review/original> > > > research papers/ short communications/ case reports/ letters to> > > the editor> > > > etc)> > > >> > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of topics> > > would you> > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical research/animal> > > studies/..> > > >

.....> > > >> > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread that will> > > string the> > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the beginning.:-)> > > > Dr Chetna Desai> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > Dr Chetna Desai> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------> > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > Dr Chetna Desai> Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now!

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Hi allHow would you rate a journal as an author? Well here are a few points that help..What is its impact factor?Quick decision about submitted articlesFast reviewFast publication

Online acceptance and processingFree reprints for all authorsWhether the subject of the article in question falls in the purview of the journalAny other additions?Chetna

On 04/07/07, Chetna Desai <chetna99@...> wrote:

Dear Anupama

Here are a few arguments for and against ejournals ... Its an individual/instituional choice really...depends on the situation.

Print Journals are expensive in subscription costs and in the staff time required to support them; they take up space in buildings which take up space which is a valuable and limited commodity; Even if we had unlimited space on campus, new library buildings cost money. It costs money to build them; it costs money to maintain them; it costs money to shelve and preserve the print collections housed inside them. Subscription costs are only the beginning of a library's expenditure on serials; They have to be maintained, issued by staff, (if back issues are to be retained) bound and stored. Electronic journals are not free from post-subscription costs either; it still takes staff time to handle subscriptions (as with print serials) and to maintain the eJournals. However, e-journals require much lower expenditures for building space and physical infrastructure.

However convenience and ease of use are of great importance to the readers.In India net connectivity and computers etc may not be available everywhere in the required numbers. But in the west electronic resources are available around the clock, almost instantly, and (with the assistance of our proxy server) from almost anywhere. It is little wonder, then, that e-journals are used so heavily. Print journal provides a reliable archive. It is independent of platform and is completely portable. Some patrons simply prefer print over reading on a screen. Lastly ejournals are not strictly so since people tend to print their articles off for reading!!

(Adapted from http://chemistry.library.emory.edu/SN2.2Jan06.pdf)

Chetna

On 03/07/07, anupama sukhlecha <

anupama_acad@...> wrote:

Hi,

In response to madam's last question, I should say,one would definitely prefer to read print journals. We can read them even with power-cuts,wherever we feel like-in our study room,garden, while travelling...But, now since very few print journals are available in our libraries, and the cost involved in purchasing, we go for online-journals.Search is easy, plenty of articles on a single topic are available with just a click.

Anupama.Vijay <drvijaythawani (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Hi ChetnaThanks for the compliments.Vijay

> > > >> > > > Hello all

> > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to begin> > > tomorrow and last> > > > until 10th July.> > > >> > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our academic

> > > development.> > > > All of us have read journals at various times. Some are avid> > > readers, others> > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read journals varies as> > we> > > progress> > > > in our profession. Initially we read them to collect relevant> > > references for> > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize ourselves with> > the> > > recent> > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still later we either> > > specialize or> > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy, critical about> > > the journals> > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to journals> > (Good> > > Print> > > > journals are not available at many places and often have to rely> > > on online> > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.> > > >> > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate scientific> > papers

> > > is one of> > > > the most important long-term skills required for success in> > > science, both> > > > during and after graduate training. Certain departments

> > > have " Journal Club " > > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the elements that> > make> > > for> > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking about

> > > scientific papers> > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are presented focus on a> > > different> > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students learn new

> > areas> > > of> > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the more> > general> > > skills> > > > above.> > > >

> > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM> > > >> > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good, useful> > > and balanced> > > > reading?*

> > > >> > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*> > > >> > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the> > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific reading.*

> > > >> > > >> > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*> > > >> > > >> > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good

> > > scientific> > > > writing.*> > > >> > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*> > > >> > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently read. Also

> > > tell us how> > > > frequently you read these journals.> > > >> > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?> > > >> > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. Why?

> > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look for…> > > Review/original> > > > research papers/ short communications/ case reports/ letters to> > > the editor

> > > > etc)> > > >> > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of topics> > > would you> > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical research/animal> > > studies/..> > > > ....> > > >> > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread that will> > > string the

> > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the beginning.:-)> > > > Dr Chetna Desai> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > Dr Chetna Desai> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > > ---------------------------------> > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers> > >> >> > > >

> > > > -- > Dr Chetna Desai>

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July 4, 2007

Hi

An additional point against E-journals:

The PSC selectors give credits for hard copy journals as till now.

Not many selectors in the interview boards understand the E-

journals.

This happens in India! And we are known to export the best E-brains

to the world.

Vijay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello all

> > > > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to

begin

> > > > > tomorrow and last

> > > > > > until 10th July.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our

academic

> > > > > development.

> > > > > > All of us have read journals at various times. Some are

avid

> > > > > readers, others

> > > > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read journals

varies

> > as

> > > > we

> > > > > progress

> > > > > > in our profession. Initially we read them to collect

relevant

> > > > > references for

> > > > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize ourselves

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > recent

> > > > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still later we

> > either

> > > > > specialize or

> > > > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy, critical

> > about

> > > > > the journals

> > > > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to

journals

> > > > (Good

> > > > > Print

> > > > > > journals are not available at many places and often have

to

> > rely

> > > > > on online

> > > > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate

scientific

> > > > papers

> > > > > is one of

> > > > > > the most important long-term skills required for success

in

> > > > > science, both

> > > > > > during and after graduate training. Certain departments

> > > > > have " Journal Club "

> > > > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the elements

that

> > > > make

> > > > > for

> > > > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking

about

> > > > > scientific papers

> > > > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are presented

focus

> > on a

> > > > > different

> > > > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students learn

new

> > > > areas

> > > > > of

> > > > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the more

> > > > general

> > > > > skills

> > > > > > above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good,

> > useful

> > > > > and balanced

> > > > > > reading?*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the

> > > > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific reading.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good

> > > > > scientific

> > > > > > writing.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently read.

Also

> > > > > tell us how

> > > > > > frequently you read these journals.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. Why?

> > > > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look for…

> > > > > Review/original

> > > > > > research papers/ short communications/ case reports/

letters

> > to

> > > > > the editor

> > > > > > etc)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of

> > topics

> > > > > would you

> > > > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical

> > research/animal

> > > > > studies/..

> > > > > > ....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread

that

> > will

> > > > > string the

> > > > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the beginning.:-)

> > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > >

> > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for -

> > Answers

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > >

> >

> > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your

Messenger.

> > Download Now! http://messenger./download.php

> >

>

> --

> Dr Chetna Desai

>

July 4, 2007

Hi

Kindly permit me to add:

- Uniformity of editorial policy

- Presence of politics and editorial bias in accepting, editing,

publication of manuscripts and award of prizes

- Respect for contributors and the rejection letter language

- Timely publication, despatch and receipt of the journal by the

subscribers

- Additional academic/research freebies like free CDs

- Quality of editorials

- Quality of peer review

- Journalistic inputs of editorial committee members

- Research inputs of editorial committee members

- Availability of independent,honest,credible Ombudsman

- Speed of complaint reveiw process

- Advertisement and medicine promotion policy of journal

- Conflict of interest of the publication

- Freedom to freshers to become new memebers and speed of acceptance

- Affordability to join as member

Vijay

In netrum , " Chetna Desai " <chetna99@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all

> How would you rate a journal as an author? Well here are a few

points that

> help..

>

> - What is its impact factor?

> - Quick decision about submitted articles

> - Fast review

> - Fast publication

> - Online acceptance and processing

> - Free reprints for all authors

> - Whether the subject of the article in question falls in the

purview

> of the journal

>

> Any other additions?

> Chetna

>

> On 04/07/07, Chetna Desai <chetna99@...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Anupama

> > Here are a few arguments for and against ejournals ... Its an

> > individual/instituional choice really...depends on the situation.

> >

> > Print Journals are expensive in subscription costs and in the

staff time

> > required to support them; they take up space in buildings which

take up

> > space which is a valuable and limited commodity; Even if we had

unlimited

> > space on campus, new library buildings cost money. It costs

money to build

> > them; it costs money to maintain them; it costs money to shelve

and preserve

> > the print collections housed inside them. Subscription costs are

only the

> > beginning of a library's expenditure on serials; They have to be

maintained,

> > issued by staff, (if back issues are to be retained) bound and

stored.

> > Electronic journals are not free from post-subscription costs

either; it

> > still takes staff time to handle subscriptions (as with print

serials) and

> > to maintain the eJournals. However, e-journals require much lower

> > expenditures for building space and physical infrastructure.

> >

> > However convenience and ease of use are of great importance to

the

> > readers.In India net connectivity and computers etc may not be

available

> > everywhere in the required numbers. But in the west electronic

resources are

> > available around the clock, almost instantly, and (with the

assistance of

> > our proxy server) from almost anywhere. It is little wonder,

then, that

> > e-journals are used so heavily. Print journal provides a

reliable archive.

> > It is independent of platform and is completely portable. Some

patrons

> > simply prefer print over reading on a screen. Lastly ejournals

are not

> > strictly so since people tend to print their articles off for

reading!!

> >

> > (Adapted from http://chemistry.library.emory.edu/SN2.2Jan06.pdf)

> >

> > Chetna

> >

> > On 03/07/07, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi,

> > > In response to madam's last question, I should say,one would

definitely

> > > prefer to read print journals. We can read them even with

> > > power-cuts,wherever we feel like-in our study room,garden,

while

> > > travelling...But, now since very few print journals are

available in our

> > > libraries, and the cost involved in purchasing, we go for

> > > online-journals.Search is easy, plenty of articles on a single

topic are

> > > available with just a click.

> > > Anupama.

> > >

> > > *Vijay <drvijaythawani@...>* wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Chetna

> > > Thanks for the compliments.

> > > Vijay

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello all

> > > > > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to

begin

> > > > > > tomorrow and last

> > > > > > > until 10th July.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our

academic

> > > > > > development.

> > > > > > > All of us have read journals at various times. Some

are avid

> > > > > > readers, others

> > > > > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read journals

varies

> > > as

> > > > > we

> > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > in our profession. Initially we read them to collect

relevant

> > > > > > references for

> > > > > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize

ourselves

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > recent

> > > > > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still later we

> > > either

> > > > > > specialize or

> > > > > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy,

critical

> > > about

> > > > > > the journals

> > > > > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to

journals

> > > > > (Good

> > > > > > Print

> > > > > > > journals are not available at many places and often

have to

> > > rely

> > > > > > on online

> > > > > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate

scientific

> > > > > papers

> > > > > > is one of

> > > > > > > the most important long-term skills required for

success in

> > > > > > science, both

> > > > > > > during and after graduate training. Certain departments

> > > > > > have " Journal Club "

> > > > > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the

elements that

> > > > > make

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking

about

> > > > > > scientific papers

> > > > > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are presented

focus

> > > on a

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students

learn new

> > > > > areas

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the

more

> > > > > general

> > > > > > skills

> > > > > > > above.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a

good,

> > > useful

> > > > > > and balanced

> > > > > > > reading?*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the

> > > > > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific

reading.*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good

> > > > > > scientific

> > > > > > > writing.*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently

read. Also

> > > > > > tell us how

> > > > > > > frequently you read these journals.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. Why?

> > > > > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look

for…

> > > > > > Review/original

> > > > > > > research papers/ short communications/ case reports/

letters

> > > to

> > > > > > the editor

> > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of

> > > topics

> > > > > > would you

> > > > > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical

> > > research/animal

> > > > > > studies/..

> > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread

that

> > > will

> > > > > > string the

> > > > > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the

beginning.:-)

> > > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for -

> > > Answers

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > >

> > >

> > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your

Messenger.

> > > Download Now! http://messenger. /download.php

> > >

> >

> > --

> > Dr Chetna Desai

>

> --

> Dr Chetna Desai

>

July 4, 2007

Hi NetRUMiansDr Vijay has added quite a few important points. Good journals announce their policies that gives a fair idea ofwhat to expect from them.As mentioned earlier, this group thrives and blooms not on monologues and dialogues but " Multi-logues " (if I can use this word)...Learned members of the group are known to be avid readers...we look forward to your inputs..

ChetnaOn 04/07/07, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote:

Hi

Kindly permit me to add:

- Uniformity of editorial policy

- Presence of politics and editorial bias in accepting, editing,

publication of manuscripts and award of prizes

- Respect for contributors and the rejection letter language

- Timely publication, despatch and receipt of the journal by the

subscribers

- Additional academic/research freebies like free CDs

- Quality of editorials

- Quality of peer review

- Journalistic inputs of editorial committee members

- Research inputs of editorial committee members

- Availability of independent,honest,credible Ombudsman

- Speed of complaint reveiw process

- Advertisement and medicine promotion policy of journal

- Conflict of interest of the publication

- Freedom to freshers to become new memebers and speed of acceptance

- Affordability to join as member

Vijay

In netrum , " Chetna Desai " <chetna99@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all

> How would you rate a journal as an author? Well here are a few

points that

> help..

>

> - What is its impact factor?

> - Quick decision about submitted articles

> - Fast review

> - Fast publication

> - Online acceptance and processing

> - Free reprints for all authors

> - Whether the subject of the article in question falls in the

purview

> of the journal

>

> Any other additions?

> Chetna

>

> On 04/07/07, Chetna Desai <chetna99@...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Anupama

> > Here are a few arguments for and against ejournals ... Its an

> > individual/instituional choice really...depends on the situation.

> >

> > Print Journals are expensive in subscription costs and in the

staff time

> > required to support them; they take up space in buildings which

take up

> > space which is a valuable and limited commodity; Even if we had

unlimited

> > space on campus, new library buildings cost money. It costs

money to build

> > them; it costs money to maintain them; it costs money to shelve

and preserve

> > the print collections housed inside them. Subscription costs are

only the

> > beginning of a library's expenditure on serials; They have to be

maintained,

> > issued by staff, (if back issues are to be retained) bound and

stored.

> > Electronic journals are not free from post-subscription costs

either; it

> > still takes staff time to handle subscriptions (as with print

serials) and

> > to maintain the eJournals. However, e-journals require much lower

> > expenditures for building space and physical infrastructure.

> >

> > However convenience and ease of use are of great importance to

the

> > readers.In India net connectivity and computers etc may not be

available

> > everywhere in the required numbers. But in the west electronic

resources are

> > available around the clock, almost instantly, and (with the

assistance of

> > our proxy server) from almost anywhere. It is little wonder,

then, that

> > e-journals are used so heavily. Print journal provides a

reliable archive.

> > It is independent of platform and is completely portable. Some

patrons

> > simply prefer print over reading on a screen. Lastly ejournals

are not

> > strictly so since people tend to print their articles off for

reading!!

> >

> > (Adapted from http://chemistry.library.emory.edu/SN2.2Jan06.pdf)

> >

> > Chetna

> >

> > On 03/07/07, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi,

> > > In response to madam's last question, I should say,one would

definitely

> > > prefer to read print journals. We can read them even with

> > > power-cuts,wherever we feel like-in our study room,garden,

while

> > > travelling...But, now since very few print journals are

available in our

> > > libraries, and the cost involved in purchasing, we go for

> > > online-journals.Search is easy, plenty of articles on a single

topic are

> > > available with just a click.

> > > Anupama.

> > >

> > > *Vijay <drvijaythawani@...>* wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Chetna

> > > Thanks for the compliments.

> > > Vijay

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello all

> > > > > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to

begin

> > > > > > tomorrow and last

> > > > > > > until 10th July.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our

academic

> > > > > > development.

> > > > > > > All of us have read journals at various times. Some

are avid

> > > > > > readers, others

> > > > > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read journals

varies

> > > as

> > > > > we

> > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > in our profession. Initially we read them to collect

relevant

> > > > > > references for

> > > > > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize

ourselves

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > recent

> > > > > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still later we

> > > either

> > > > > > specialize or

> > > > > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy,

critical

> > > about

> > > > > > the journals

> > > > > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to

journals

> > > > > (Good

> > > > > > Print

> > > > > > > journals are not available at many places and often

have to

> > > rely

> > > > > > on online

> > > > > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate

scientific

> > > > > papers

> > > > > > is one of

> > > > > > > the most important long-term skills required for

success in

> > > > > > science, both

> > > > > > > during and after graduate training. Certain departments

> > > > > > have " Journal Club "

> > > > > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the

elements that

> > > > > make

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking

about

> > > > > > scientific papers

> > > > > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are presented

focus

> > > on a

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students

learn new

> > > > > areas

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the

more

> > > > > general

> > > > > > skills

> > > > > > > above.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a

good,

> > > useful

> > > > > > and balanced

> > > > > > > reading?*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the

> > > > > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific

reading.*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good

> > > > > > scientific

> > > > > > > writing.*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently

read. Also

> > > > > > tell us how

> > > > > > > frequently you read these journals.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. Why?

> > > > > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look

for…

> > > > > > Review/original

> > > > > > > research papers/ short communications/ case reports/

letters

> > > to

> > > > > > the editor

> > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of

> > > topics

> > > > > > would you

> > > > > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical

> > > research/animal

> > > > > > studies/..

> > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread

that

> > > will

> > > > > > string the

> > > > > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the

beginning.:-)

> > > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for -

> > > Answers

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > >

> > >

> > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your

Messenger.

> > > Download Now! http://messenger.

/download.php

> > >

> >

> > --

> > Dr Chetna Desai

>

> --

> Dr Chetna Desai

>

-- Dr Chetna Desai

July 4, 2007

hello all, I have been going avidly through the discussion going on relating to good reading. since I have not had the time to enter a library in the last couple of years for casual reading , i thought it would be improper to write any thing on this subject. But some inputs would not be out of place . Reading journals should become an interesting hobby. Just going thru the index of any journal will give you an idea of the standard of journal . we usually read journals only when we want to search some references for our thesis topic. But I find reading editorials, anecdotal communications far more enriching and sometimes stress busters too.you may find it odd but do try to read some heavy stuff when you are stressed, and you will forget stress . Regarding rating a journal I do agree with Chetna and Vijay . but dont you think the list for idealistic journal is too ling, and

practically difficult to achieve? Since Chetn is now on the editorial board of IJP she will agree with me. kunda Chetna Desai <chetna99@...> wrote: Hi allHow would you rate a journal as an author? Well here are a few points that help.. What is its impact factor? Quick decision about submitted articles Fast review Fast publication Online acceptance and processing Free reprints for all authors Whether the subject of the

article in question falls in the purview of the journalAny other additions?Chetna On 04/07/07, Chetna Desai <chetna99gmail> wrote: Dear Anupama Here are a few arguments for and against ejournals ... Its an individual/instituional choice really...depends on the situation. Print Journals are expensive in subscription costs and in the staff time required to support them; they take up space in buildings which take up space which is a valuable and limited commodity; Even if we had unlimited space on campus, new library buildings cost money. It costs money to build them; it costs money to maintain them; it costs money to shelve and preserve the print collections housed inside them. Subscription costs are

only the beginning of a library's expenditure on serials; They have to be maintained, issued by staff, (if back issues are to be retained) bound and stored. Electronic journals are not free from post-subscription costs either; it still takes staff time to handle subscriptions (as with print serials) and to maintain the eJournals. However, e-journals require much lower expenditures for building space and physical infrastructure. However convenience and ease of use are of great importance to the readers.In India net connectivity and computers etc may not be available everywhere in the required numbers. But in the west electronic resources are available around the clock, almost instantly, and (with the assistance of our proxy server) from almost anywhere. It is little wonder, then, that e-journals are used so heavily. Print journal provides a reliable archive. It is independent of platform and is completely portable. Some patrons simply prefer print

over reading on a screen. Lastly ejournals are not strictly so since people tend to print their articles off for reading!! (Adapted from http://chemistry.library.emory.edu/SN2.2Jan06.pdf) Chetna On 03/07/07, anupama sukhlecha < anupama_acad (DOT) co.in> wrote: Hi, In response to madam's last question, I should say,one would definitely prefer to read print journals. We can

read them even with power-cuts,wherever we feel like-in our study room,garden, while travelling...But, now since very few print journals are available in our libraries, and the cost involved in purchasing, we go for online-journals.Search is easy, plenty of articles on a single topic are available with just a click. Anupama.Vijay <drvijaythawani (DOT) co.in> wrote: Hi ChetnaThanks for the compliments.Vijay > > > >> > > > Hello all > > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to begin> > > tomorrow and last> > > > until 10th July.> > > >> > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our academic > > > development.> > > > All of us have read journals at various times. Some are avid> > > readers, others> > > >

read them less often. Our necessity to read journals varies as> > we> > > progress> > > > in our profession. Initially we read them to collect relevant> > > references for> > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize ourselves with> > the> > > recent> > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still later we either> > > specialize or> > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy, critical about> > > the journals> > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to journals> > (Good> > > Print> > > > journals are not available at many places and often have to rely> > > on online> > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.> > > >> > > > Learning to critically read,

write, and evaluate scientific> > papers> > > is one of> > > > the most important long-term skills required for success in> > > science, both> > > > during and after graduate training. Certain departments> > > have "Journal Club"> > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the elements that> > make> > > for> > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking about > > > scientific papers> > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are presented focus on a> > > different> > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students learn new > > areas> > > of> > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the more> > general> > > skills> > > > above.> > > > >

> > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM> > > >> > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good, useful> > > and balanced> > > > reading?* > > > >> > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*> > > >> > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the> > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific reading.* > > > >> > > >> > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*> > > >> > > >> > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good > > > scientific> > > > writing.*> > > >> > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*> > > >> > > > 1. Tell us about the

journals that you frequently read. Also > > > tell us how> > > > frequently you read these journals.> > > >> > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?> > > >> > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. Why? > > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look for…> > > Review/original> > > > research papers/ short communications/ case reports/ letters to> > > the editor > > > > etc)> > > >> > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of topics> > > would you> > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical research/animal> > > studies/..> > > > ....> > > >> > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread that

will> > > string the> > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the beginning.:-)> > > > Dr Chetna Desai> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > Dr Chetna Desai> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------> > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers> > >> >> > > > > > > > -- > Dr Chetna Desai> Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your

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Dear MAdam Kunda and fellow netRUMians

The situation that MAdam Kunda describes is perhaps true for many of us...lesser reading of journals, not much patience for long original research articles etc. Sending an intersting excerpt from an Editorial in BMJ.

"

Doctors are not scientists

Some doctors are scientists, but most are not. As medical students they were filled full with information on biochemistry, anatomy, physiology, and other sciences, but information does not a scientist

make—otherwise, you could become a scientist by watching the Discovery channel. A scientist is somebody who constantly questions, generates falsifiable hypotheses, and collects data

from well designed experiments—the kind of people who brush their teeth on only one side of their mouth to see whether brushing your teeth has any benefit. Most doctors follow familiar

patterns and rules, often improvising around those rules. Questioning whether doctors are scientists may seem outrageous, but most doctors know that they are not scientists. I once asked

a room of perhaps 150 medically trained educators which of them thought of themselves as scientists. About five put up their hands.

If doctors are not scientists then it seems odd to supply them, as medical journals do, with a steady stream of original scientific studies. Teachers and social workers are not sent original research.

Nurses are sent some, but are they simply aping the illogical ways of doctors?

The inevitable consequence is that most readers of medical journals don't read the original articles. They may scan the abstract, but it's the rarest of beasts who reads an article from beginning

to end, critically appraising it as he or she goes. Indeed, most doctors are incapable of critically appraising an article. They have never been trained to do so. Instead, they must accept

the judgment of the editorial team and its peer reviewers—until one of the rare beasts writes in and points out that a study is scientifically nonsensical.

Sometimes readers will alight on an article as a bee alights on a flower to suck a little honey. They will do so for reasons that are more personal than scientific. For instance I may be interested

in the study showing a steady rise in hospital admissions for acute pancreatitis from 1963 to 1998 because my brother had pancreatitis.

And then there are so many other such reasons...

This editorial had invited many studied, some hurt responses too...The point I wish to make is that reading journals does not form a priority for most..and choosing the right journal and the right article is an even grater task! We as pharmacologists do have much to do with research and science, hence this habit and aptitude needs to be cultivated.

Madam, the list for rating journals is no doubt a bit too long to be practical, it is idealsitic, but it may help us evaluate different journals on a relative scale.

Thanks a lot for your learned inputs.

Regards

Chetna

On 05/07/07, kunda gharpure <gharpurekunda@...> wrote:

hello all,

I have been going avidly through the discussion going on relating to good reading. since I have not had the time to enter a library in the last couple of years for casual reading , i thought it would be improper to write any thing on this subject. But some inputs would not be out of place .

Reading journals should become an interesting hobby. Just going thru the index of any journal will give you an idea of the standard of journal . we usually read journals only when we want to search some references for our thesis topic. But I find reading editorials, anecdotal communications far more enriching and sometimes stress busters too.you may find it odd but do try to read some heavy stuff when you are stressed, and you will forget stress .

Regarding rating a journal I do agree with Chetna and Vijay . but dont you think the list for idealistic journal is too ling, and practically difficult to achieve? Since Chetn is now on the editorial board of IJP she will agree with me.

kunda

Chetna Desai <chetna99@...> wrote:

Hi allHow would you rate a journal as an author? Well here are a few points that help..

What is its impact factor? Quick decision about submitted articles Fast review Fast publication Online acceptance and processing Free reprints for all authors Whether the subject of the article in question falls in the purview of the journalAny other additions?Chetna

On 04/07/07, Chetna Desai <

chetna99@...> wrote:

Dear Anupama

Here are a few arguments for and against ejournals ... Its an individual/instituional choice really...depends on the situation.

Print Journals are expensive in subscription costs and in the staff time required to support them; they take up space in buildings which take up space which is a valuable and limited commodity; Even if we had unlimited space on campus, new library buildings cost money. It costs money to build them; it costs money to maintain them; it costs money to shelve and preserve the print collections housed inside them. Subscription costs are only the beginning of a library's expenditure on serials; They have to be maintained, issued by staff, (if back issues are to be retained) bound and stored. Electronic journals are not free from post-subscription costs either; it still takes staff time to handle subscriptions (as with print serials) and to maintain the eJournals. However, e-journals require much lower expenditures for building space and physical infrastructure.

However convenience and ease of use are of great importance to the readers.In India net connectivity and computers etc may not be available everywhere in the required numbers. But in the west electronic resources are available around the clock, almost instantly, and (with the assistance of our proxy server) from almost anywhere. It is little wonder, then, that e-journals are used so heavily. Print journal provides a reliable archive. It is independent of platform and is completely portable. Some patrons simply prefer print over reading on a screen. Lastly ejournals are not strictly so since people tend to print their articles off for reading!!

(Adapted from http://chemistry.library.emory.edu/SN2.2Jan06.pdf)

Chetna

On 03/07/07, anupama sukhlecha < anupama_acad@...

> wrote:

Hi,

In response to madam's last question, I should say,one would definitely prefer to read print journals. We can read them even with power-cuts,wherever we feel like-in our study room,garden, while travelling...But, now since very few print journals are available in our libraries, and the cost involved in purchasing, we go for online-journals.Search is easy, plenty of articles on a single topic are available with just a click.

Anupama.Vijay <drvijaythawani (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Hi ChetnaThanks for the compliments.Vijay > > > >> > > > Hello all > > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to begin> > > tomorrow and last> > > > until 10th July.> > > >

> > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our academic > > > development.> > > > All of us have read journals at various times. Some are avid> > > readers, others

> > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read journals varies as> > we> > > progress> > > > in our profession. Initially we read them to collect relevant

> > > references for> > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize ourselves with> > the> > > recent> > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still later we either> > > specialize or> > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy, critical about> > > the journals> > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to journals

> > (Good> > > Print> > > > journals are not available at many places and often have to rely> > > on online> > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.

> > > >> > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate scientific> > papers> > > is one of> > > > the most important long-term skills required for success in

> > > science, both> > > > during and after graduate training. Certain departments> > > have " Journal Club " > > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the elements that

> > make> > > for> > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking about > > > scientific papers> > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are presented focus on a> > > different> > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students learn new > > areas> > > of> > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the more

> > general> > > skills> > > > above.> > > > > > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM> > > >> > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good, useful> > > and balanced> > > > reading?* > > > >> > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*> > > >> > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the

> > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific reading.* > > > >> > > >> > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*> > > >

> > > >> > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good > > > scientific> > > > writing.*> > > >> > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*

> > > >> > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently read. Also > > > tell us how> > > > frequently you read these journals.> > > >

> > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?> > > >> > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. Why? > > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look for…

> > > Review/original> > > > research papers/ short communications/ case reports/ letters to> > > the editor > > > > etc)> > > >> > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of topics> > > would you> > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical research/animal> > > studies/..> > > > ....> > > >> > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread that will> > > string the> > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the beginning.:-)> > > > Dr Chetna Desai> > > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > Dr Chetna Desai> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------> > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers> > >> >

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July 5, 2007

Hi, Vijay , you have a great insight and depth about the topic.... achieved after years of experience....!!! In the early years of professional life the common factors considered by majority are..... Widely read journal Regularly published Peer reviewed Suitable to ur research work and type of original research paper/ review articles published etc. Indexed or not ? Quality of printing-standard Published by professional organization or commercial ? Mira Desai Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote: HiKindly permit me to add:- Uniformity of editorial policy- Presence of politics and editorial bias in accepting, editing, publication of manuscripts and award of prizes- Respect for contributors and the rejection letter language - Timely publication, despatch and receipt of the journal by the subscribers- Additional academic/research freebies like free CDs- Quality of editorials- Quality of peer review- Journalistic inputs of editorial committee members- Research inputs of editorial committee members- Availability of independent,honest,credible Ombudsman- Speed of complaint reveiw process- Advertisement and medicine promotion policy of journal- Conflict of interest of the publication- Freedom to freshers to become new memebers and

speed of acceptance- Affordability to join as memberVijayIn netrum , "Chetna Desai" <chetna99@...> wrote:>> Hi all> How would you rate a journal as an author? Well here are a few points that> help..> > - What is its impact factor?> - Quick decision about submitted articles> - Fast review> - Fast publication> - Online acceptance and processing> - Free reprints for all authors> - Whether the subject of the article in question falls in the purview> of the journal> > Any other additions?> Chetna> > On 04/07/07, Chetna Desai <chetna99@...> wrote:> >> > Dear Anupama> > Here are a few arguments for and against ejournals ... Its an> > individual/instituional choice really...depends on the

situation.> >> > Print Journals are expensive in subscription costs and in the staff time> > required to support them; they take up space in buildings which take up> > space which is a valuable and limited commodity; Even if we had unlimited> > space on campus, new library buildings cost money. It costs money to build> > them; it costs money to maintain them; it costs money to shelve and preserve> > the print collections housed inside them. Subscription costs are only the> > beginning of a library's expenditure on serials; They have to be maintained,> > issued by staff, (if back issues are to be retained) bound and stored.> > Electronic journals are not free from post-subscription costs either; it> > still takes staff time to handle subscriptions (as with print serials) and> > to maintain the eJournals. However,

e-journals require much lower> > expenditures for building space and physical infrastructure.> >> > However convenience and ease of use are of great importance to the> > readers.In India net connectivity and computers etc may not be available> > everywhere in the required numbers. But in the west electronic resources are> > available around the clock, almost instantly, and (with the assistance of> > our proxy server) from almost anywhere. It is little wonder, then, that> > e-journals are used so heavily. Print journal provides a reliable archive.> > It is independent of platform and is completely portable. Some patrons> > simply prefer print over reading on a screen. Lastly ejournals are not> > strictly so since people tend to print their articles off for reading!!> >> > (Adapted from http://chemistry.library.emory.edu/SN2.2Jan06.pdf)> >> > Chetna> >> >> >> > On 03/07/07, anupama sukhlecha <anupama_acad@...> wrote:> >> > > Hi,> > > In response to madam's last question, I should say,one would definitely> > > prefer to read print journals. We can read them even with> > > power-cuts,wherever we feel like-in our study room,garden, while> > > travelling...But, now since very few print journals are available in our> > > libraries, and the cost involved in purchasing, we go for> > > online-journals.Search is easy, plenty of articles on a single topic are> > > available with just a click.> > > Anupama.> > >> > > *Vijay

<drvijaythawani@...>* wrote:> > >> > > Hi Chetna> > > Thanks for the compliments.> > > Vijay> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hello all> > > > > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to begin> > > > > > tomorrow and last> > > > > > > until 10th July.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our academic> > > > > > development.> > > > > > > All of us have read journals at various times. Some are avid> > > > > > readers, others> > > > > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read journals varies> > > as> > > > > we> > > > > > progress> > > > > > > in our profession.

Initially we read them to collect relevant> > > > > > references for> > > > > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize ourselves> > > with> > > > > the> > > > > > recent> > > > > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still later we> > > either> > > > > > specialize or> > > > > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy, critical> > > about> > > > > > the journals> > > > > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to journals> > > > > (Good> > > > > > Print> > > > > > > journals are not available at many places and often have to> > > rely> > > > > > on online> >

> > > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate scientific> > > > > papers> > > > > > is one of> > > > > > > the most important long-term skills required for success in> > > > > > science, both> > > > > > > during and after graduate training. Certain departments> > > > > > have "Journal Club"> > > > > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the elements that> > > > > make> > > > > > for> > > > > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking about> > > > > > scientific papers> > > > > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are

presented focus> > > on a> > > > > > different> > > > > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students learn new> > > > > areas> > > > > > of> > > > > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the more> > > > > general> > > > > > skills> > > > > > > above.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good,> > > useful> > > > > > and balanced> > > > > > > reading?*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic?

Simple…*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the> > > > > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific reading.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good> > > > > > scientific> > > > > > > writing.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently read. Also> > > > > > tell us how> >

> > > > > frequently you read these journals.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. Why?> > > > > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look for…> > > > > > Review/original> > > > > > > research papers/ short communications/ case reports/ letters> > > to> > > > > > the editor> > > > > > > etc)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of> > > topics> > > > > > would you> > > > > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical> > >

research/animal> > > > > > studies/..> > > > > > > ....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread that> > > will> > > > > > string the> > > > > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the beginning.:-)> > > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --> > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai> > > > >

>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > > > Answers> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --> > > > Dr Chetna Desai> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger.> > > Download Now! http://messenger. /download.php> > >> > > > > >> >> >> >> > --> > Dr Chetna

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July 5, 2007

Hi

Thanks Mira for the compliments.I appreciate your listing.

I am sorry to differ with Kunda that the list is too long. It is

long but achievable. For a journal to rise above the average status

to preferred level, it has to strive to attain the maximum.

A medical journal is a package in totality. No journal can succeed

if it does not pay attention to all the basics.With the stiff

competetion from increasing number of publications, a journal is no

more in the coveted, cherished market of shortages. Gone are the

days when journals used to survive on the historical standing and

past achevements. Present times, it has to compete with new

professional outputs from other groups /associations. Those who

ignore the need of the time are living in fool's paradise. Rival

journals are just waiting to nudge and take over. We are aware that

prestigious indexed journals of bygone era are out of competetion.

I do not find anything wrong with the rising professionalism in

medical journal publishing. These have raised the bar of my

expectations. I live to witness higher altitude.

Vijay

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hello all

> > > > > > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to

> begin

> > > > > > > tomorrow and last

> > > > > > > > until 10th July.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our

> academic

> > > > > > > development.

> > > > > > > > All of us have read journals at various times. Some

> are avid

> > > > > > > readers, others

> > > > > > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read journals

> varies

> > > > as

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > in our profession. Initially we read them to collect

> relevant

> > > > > > > references for

> > > > > > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize

> ourselves

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > recent

> > > > > > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still later

we

> > > > either

> > > > > > > specialize or

> > > > > > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy,

> critical

> > > > about

> > > > > > > the journals

> > > > > > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to

> journals

> > > > > > (Good

> > > > > > > Print

> > > > > > > > journals are not available at many places and often

> have to

> > > > rely

> > > > > > > on online

> > > > > > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate

> scientific

> > > > > > papers

> > > > > > > is one of

> > > > > > > > the most important long-term skills required for

> success in

> > > > > > > science, both

> > > > > > > > during and after graduate training. Certain

departments

> > > > > > > have " Journal Club "

> > > > > > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the

> elements that

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking

> about

> > > > > > > scientific papers

> > > > > > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are presented

> focus

> > > > on a

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students

> learn new

> > > > > > areas

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the

> more

> > > > > > general

> > > > > > > skills

> > > > > > > > above.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a

> good,

> > > > useful

> > > > > > > and balanced

> > > > > > > > reading?*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other

the

> > > > > > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific

> reading.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good

> > > > > > > scientific

> > > > > > > > writing.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently

> read. Also

> > > > > > > tell us how

> > > > > > > > frequently you read these journals.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online.

Why?

> > > > > > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look

> for…

> > > > > > > Review/original

> > > > > > > > research papers/ short communications/ case reports/

> letters

> > > > to

> > > > > > > the editor

> > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type

of

> > > > topics

> > > > > > > would you

> > > > > > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical

> > > > research/animal

> > > > > > > studies/..

> > > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the

thread

> that

> > > > will

> > > > > > > string the

> > > > > > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the

> beginning.:-)

> > > > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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July 5, 2007

Dear Miraben and Dr VijayThanks for your learned responses.Miraben has aptly echoed the criteria for selection of journals for most beginners..our PGs are mum this time, but I am sure thats how they too look at things. As we " grow " our perspective changes, we look for a wider reading, more interests, we become more " constructively critical " and also begin questioning. The list quoted by us is no doubt long but referring to it helps set standards. When we start accepting anything, quality suffers. Madam Kunda is perhaps more practical, knowing the scenario of quality journals in India and the feasibility of fulfilling the criteria listed. But we need to look at Nature, BMJ, NEJM, The Lancet, BJP and the likes to " feel " the good journals.

Dr Vijay, I was wondering why the PGs are quiet this time? Does it mean...They do not read many journals (not likely)They feel hesitant to comment (probably)Any other reason...?

Okay then here is something simpler for themTell us the areas in pharmacology that you refer to when reading journals (in order of preference..animal research, plant research, clinical research, pharmacoepidemiology, drug utilsation studies,...and so on).

Tell us the type of articles you usually read in order of preference..Review articles, full length original research articles, short communications, case reports, letters, editorialsTell us whether you prefer print journals or online ones.

That way we will know your preferences in scientific reading. Others may also post responses to these..And yes, we look forward to posts from our other regulars..Dr Gajjar, smita, anupama.......Best wishes

ChetnaOn 06/07/07, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote:

Hi

Thanks Mira for the compliments.I appreciate your listing.

I am sorry to differ with Kunda that the list is too long. It is

long but achievable. For a journal to rise above the average status

to preferred level, it has to strive to attain the maximum.

A medical journal is a package in totality. No journal can succeed

if it does not pay attention to all the basics.With the stiff

competetion from increasing number of publications, a journal is no

more in the coveted, cherished market of shortages. Gone are the

days when journals used to survive on the historical standing and

past achevements. Present times, it has to compete with new

professional outputs from other groups /associations. Those who

ignore the need of the time are living in fool's paradise. Rival

journals are just waiting to nudge and take over. We are aware that

prestigious indexed journals of bygone era are out of competetion.

I do not find anything wrong with the rising professionalism in

medical journal publishing. These have raised the bar of my

expectations. I live to witness higher altitude.

Vijay

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hello all

> > > > > > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to

> begin

> > > > > > > tomorrow and last

> > > > > > > > until 10th July.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our

> academic

> > > > > > > development.

> > > > > > > > All of us have read journals at various times. Some

> are avid

> > > > > > > readers, others

> > > > > > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read journals

> varies

> > > > as

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > in our profession. Initially we read them to collect

> relevant

> > > > > > > references for

> > > > > > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize

> ourselves

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > recent

> > > > > > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still later

we

> > > > either

> > > > > > > specialize or

> > > > > > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy,

> critical

> > > > about

> > > > > > > the journals

> > > > > > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to

> journals

> > > > > > (Good

> > > > > > > Print

> > > > > > > > journals are not available at many places and often

> have to

> > > > rely

> > > > > > > on online

> > > > > > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate

> scientific

> > > > > > papers

> > > > > > > is one of

> > > > > > > > the most important long-term skills required for

> success in

> > > > > > > science, both

> > > > > > > > during and after graduate training. Certain

departments

> > > > > > > have " Journal Club "

> > > > > > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the

> elements that

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking

> about

> > > > > > > scientific papers

> > > > > > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are presented

> focus

> > > > on a

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students

> learn new

> > > > > > areas

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the

> more

> > > > > > general

> > > > > > > skills

> > > > > > > > above.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a

> good,

> > > > useful

> > > > > > > and balanced

> > > > > > > > reading?*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other

the

> > > > > > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific

> reading.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good

> > > > > > > scientific

> > > > > > > > writing.*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently

> read. Also

> > > > > > > tell us how

> > > > > > > > frequently you read these journals.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online.

Why?

> > > > > > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look

> for…

> > > > > > > Review/original

> > > > > > > > research papers/ short communications/ case reports/

> letters

> > > > to

> > > > > > > the editor

> > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type

of

> > > > topics

> > > > > > > would you

> > > > > > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical

> > > > research/animal

> > > > > > > studies/..

> > > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the

thread

> that

> > > > will

> > > > > > > string the

> > > > > > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the

> beginning.:-)

> > > > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > > >

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> > > > Answers

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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> >

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>

-- Dr Chetna Desai

July 6, 2007

Dear sir's and madam,

reading journals..............., what makes a good,

useful and balanced reading?

our college subscribes only one journal, IJ of

physiology and pharmacology, in our domain. that's a

quarterly published.

no online subscriptions.

nejm has blocked full articles for indian readers,

ijp has denied copy- pasting and print outs of its

articles, though i regularly get it out of my life

membership, college doesn't have its subscription.

aspet/bjp/bjcp and every one else are subscription

based.

will you tell me what to do?

--- Chetna Desai <chetna99@...> wrote:

> Dear MAdam Kunda and fellow netRUMians

> The situation that MAdam Kunda describes is perhaps

> true for many of

> us...lesser reading of journals, not much patience

> for long original

> research articles etc. Sending an intersting excerpt

> from an Editorial in

> BMJ.

> " *Doctors are not scientists *

>

> **

>

> *Some doctors are scientists, but most are not. As

> medical students they were

> filled full with information on biochemistry,

> anatomy, physiology, and other

> sciences, but information does not a scientist

> make—otherwise, you could

> become a scientist by watching the Discovery

> channel. A scientist is

> somebody who constantly questions, generates

> falsifiable hypotheses, and

> collects data from well designed experiments—the

> kind of people who brush

> their teeth on only one side of their mouth to see

> whether brushing your

> teeth has any benefit. Most doctors follow familiar

> patterns and rules,

> often improvising around those rules. Questioning

> whether doctors are

> scientists may seem outrageous, but most doctors

> know that they are not

> scientists. I once asked a room of perhaps 150

> medically trained educators

> which of them thought of themselves as scientists.

> About five put up their

> hands. *

>

> *If doctors are not scientists then it seems odd to

> supply them, as medical

> journals do, with a steady stream of original

> scientific studies. Teachers

> and social workers are not sent original research.

> Nurses are sent some, but

> are they simply aping the illogical ways of doctors?

> *

>

> *The inevitable consequence is that most readers of

> medical journals don't

> read the original articles. They may scan the

> abstract, but it's the rarest

> of beasts who reads an article from beginning to

> end, critically appraising

> it as he or she goes. Indeed, most doctors are

> incapable of critically

> appraising an article. They have never been trained

> to do so. Instead, they

> must accept the judgment of the editorial team and

> its peer reviewers—until one

> of the rare beasts writes in and points out that a

> study is scientifically

> nonsensical. *

>

> *Sometimes readers will alight on an article as a

> bee alights on a flower to

> suck a little honey. They will do so for reasons

> that are more personal than

> scientific. For instance I may be interested in the

> study showing a steady

> rise in hospital admissions for acute pancreatitis

> from 1963 to 1998 because

> my brother had pancreatitis. *

>

> And then there are so many other such reasons...

>

> This editorial had invited many studied, some hurt

> responses too...The point

> I wish to make is that reading journals does not

> form a priority for

> most..and choosing the right journal and the right

> article is an even grater

> task! We as pharmacologists do have much to do with

> research and science,

> hence this habit and aptitude needs to be

> cultivated.

>

> Madam, the list for rating journals is no doubt a

> bit too long to be

> practical, it is idealsitic, but it may help us

> evaluate different journals

> on a relative scale.

>

> Thanks a lot for your learned inputs.

>

> Regards

>

> Chetna

> On 05/07/07, kunda gharpure

> <gharpurekunda@...> wrote:

> >

> > hello all,

> > I have been going avidly through the discussion

> going on relating to good

> > reading. since I have not had the time to enter a

> library in the last

> > couple of years for casual reading , i thought it

> would be improper to write

> > any thing on this subject. But some inputs would

> not be out of place .

> > Reading journals should become an interesting

> hobby. Just going thru the

> > index of any journal will give you an idea of the

> standard of journal . we

> > usually read journals only when we want to search

> some references for our

> > thesis topic. But I find reading editorials,

> anecdotal communications far

> > more enriching and sometimes stress busters

> too.you may find it odd but

> > do try to read some heavy stuff when you are

> stressed, and you will forget

> > stress .

> > Regarding rating a journal I do agree with

> Chetna and Vijay . but dont

> > you think the list for idealistic journal is too

> ling, and practically

> > difficult to achieve? Since Chetn is now on the

> editorial board of IJP she

> > will agree with me.

> > kunda

> > C*hetna Desai <chetna99@...>* wrote:

> >

> > Hi all

> > How would you rate a journal as an author? Well

> here are a few points that

> > help..

> >

> > - What is its impact factor?

> > - Quick decision about submitted articles

> > - Fast review

> > - Fast publication

> > - Online acceptance and processing

> > - Free reprints for all authors

> > - Whether the subject of the article in

> question falls in the

> > purview of the journal

> >

> > Any other additions?

> > Chetna

> >

> > On 04/07/07, Chetna Desai <chetna99@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Anupama

> > > Here are a few arguments for and against

> ejournals ... Its an

> > > individual/instituional choice really...depends

> on the situation.

> > > Print Journals are expensive in subscription

> costs and in the staff

> > > time required to support them; they take up

> space in buildings which take up

> > > space which is a valuable and limited commodity;

> Even if we had unlimited

> > > space on campus, new library buildings cost

> money. It costs money to build

> > > them; it costs money to maintain them; it costs

> money to shelve and preserve

> > > the print collections housed inside them.

> Subscription costs are only the

> > > beginning of a library's expenditure on serials;

> They have to be maintained,

> > > issued by staff, (if back issues are to be

> retained) bound and stored.

> > > Electronic journals are not free from

> post-subscription costs either; it

> > > still takes staff time to handle subscriptions

> (as with print serials) and

> > > to maintain the eJournals. However, e-journals

> require much lower

> > > expenditures for building space and physical

> infrastructure.

> > > However convenience and ease of use are of great

> importance to the

> > > readers.In India net connectivity and computers

> etc may not be available

> > > everywhere in the required numbers. But in the

> west electronic resources are

> > > available around the clock, almost instantly,

> and (with the assistance of

> > > our proxy server) from almost anywhere. It is

> little wonder, then, that

> > > e-journals are used so heavily. Print journal

> provides a reliable archive.

> > > It is independent of platform and is completely

> portable. Some patrons

> > > simply prefer print over reading on a screen.

> Lastly ejournals are not

> > > strictly so since people tend to print their

> articles

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Assistant Professor,

Department of Pharmacology,

NSCB Medical College,

Jabalpur (MP)

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Dear SachinIts a really sorry state of affairs. Its shared by many institutions although to a varying degree. Lack of funds, red tapism, lack of initiative and rising cost of subscriptions are some reasons for this. You can read back issues of some reputed journals online. They are free after a specified period. Similarly some journals are available free online..both Indian and international...you may also refer to these sites.Do let us know if you want references to these. We shall arrange it for you. ChetnaOn 06/07/07, sachin kuchya <

sachinkuchya@...> wrote:

Dear sir's and madam,

reading journals..............., what makes a good,

useful and balanced reading?

our college subscribes only one journal, IJ of

physiology and pharmacology, in our domain. that's a

quarterly published.

no online subscriptions.

nejm has blocked full articles for indian readers,

ijp has denied copy- pasting and print outs of its

articles, though i regularly get it out of my life

membership, college doesn't have its subscription.

aspet/bjp/bjcp and every one else are subscription

based.

will you tell me what to do?

--- Chetna Desai <chetna99@...> wrote:

> Dear MAdam Kunda and fellow netRUMians

> The situation that MAdam Kunda describes is perhaps

> true for many of

> us...lesser reading of journals, not much patience

> for long original

> research articles etc. Sending an intersting excerpt

> from an Editorial in

> BMJ.

> " *Doctors are not scientists *

>

> **

>

> *Some doctors are scientists, but most are not. As

> medical students they were

> filled full with information on biochemistry,

> anatomy, physiology, and other

> sciences, but information does not a scientist

> make—otherwise, you could

> become a scientist by watching the Discovery

> channel. A scientist is

> somebody who constantly questions, generates

> falsifiable hypotheses, and

> collects data from well designed experiments—the

> kind of people who brush

> their teeth on only one side of their mouth to see

> whether brushing your

> teeth has any benefit. Most doctors follow familiar

> patterns and rules,

> often improvising around those rules. Questioning

> whether doctors are

> scientists may seem outrageous, but most doctors

> know that they are not

> scientists. I once asked a room of perhaps 150

> medically trained educators

> which of them thought of themselves as scientists.

> About five put up their

> hands. *

>

> *If doctors are not scientists then it seems odd to

> supply them, as medical

> journals do, with a steady stream of original

> scientific studies. Teachers

> and social workers are not sent original research.

> Nurses are sent some, but

> are they simply aping the illogical ways of doctors?

> *

>

> *The inevitable consequence is that most readers of

> medical journals don't

> read the original articles. They may scan the

> abstract, but it's the rarest

> of beasts who reads an article from beginning to

> end, critically appraising

> it as he or she goes. Indeed, most doctors are

> incapable of critically

> appraising an article. They have never been trained

> to do so. Instead, they

> must accept the judgment of the editorial team and

> its peer reviewers—until one

> of the rare beasts writes in and points out that a

> study is scientifically

> nonsensical. *

>

> *Sometimes readers will alight on an article as a

> bee alights on a flower to

> suck a little honey. They will do so for reasons

> that are more personal than

> scientific. For instance I may be interested in the

> study showing a steady

> rise in hospital admissions for acute pancreatitis

> from 1963 to 1998 because

> my brother had pancreatitis. *

>

> And then there are so many other such reasons...

>

> This editorial had invited many studied, some hurt

> responses too...The point

> I wish to make is that reading journals does not

> form a priority for

> most..and choosing the right journal and the right

> article is an even grater

> task! We as pharmacologists do have much to do with

> research and science,

> hence this habit and aptitude needs to be

> cultivated.

>

> Madam, the list for rating journals is no doubt a

> bit too long to be

> practical, it is idealsitic, but it may help us

> evaluate different journals

> on a relative scale.

>

> Thanks a lot for your learned inputs.

>

> Regards

>

> Chetna

> On 05/07/07, kunda gharpure

> <gharpurekunda@...> wrote:

> >

> > hello all,

> > I have been going avidly through the discussion

> going on relating to good

> > reading. since I have not had the time to enter a

> library in the last

> > couple of years for casual reading , i thought it

> would be improper to write

> > any thing on this subject. But some inputs would

> not be out of place .

> > Reading journals should become an interesting

> hobby. Just going thru the

> > index of any journal will give you an idea of the

> standard of journal . we

> > usually read journals only when we want to search

> some references for our

> > thesis topic. But I find reading editorials,

> anecdotal communications far

> > more enriching and sometimes stress busters

> too.you may find it odd but

> > do try to read some heavy stuff when you are

> stressed, and you will forget

> > stress .

> > Regarding rating a journal I do agree with

> Chetna and Vijay . but dont

> > you think the list for idealistic journal is too

> ling, and practically

> > difficult to achieve? Since Chetn is now on the

> editorial board of IJP she

> > will agree with me.

> > kunda

> > C*hetna Desai <chetna99@...>* wrote:

> >

> > Hi all

> > How would you rate a journal as an author? Well

> here are a few points that

> > help..

> >

> > - What is its impact factor?

> > - Quick decision about submitted articles

> > - Fast review

> > - Fast publication

> > - Online acceptance and processing

> > - Free reprints for all authors

> > - Whether the subject of the article in

> question falls in the

> > purview of the journal

> >

> > Any other additions?

> > Chetna

> >

> > On 04/07/07, Chetna Desai <chetna99@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Anupama

> > > Here are a few arguments for and against

> ejournals ... Its an

> > > individual/instituional choice really...depends

> on the situation.

> > > Print Journals are expensive in subscription

> costs and in the staff

> > > time required to support them; they take up

> space in buildings which take up

> > > space which is a valuable and limited commodity;

> Even if we had unlimited

> > > space on campus, new library buildings cost

> money. It costs money to build

> > > them; it costs money to maintain them; it costs

> money to shelve and preserve

> > > the print collections housed inside them.

> Subscription costs are only the

> > > beginning of a library's expenditure on serials;

> They have to be maintained,

> > > issued by staff, (if back issues are to be

> retained) bound and stored.

> > > Electronic journals are not free from

> post-subscription costs either; it

> > > still takes staff time to handle subscriptions

> (as with print serials) and

> > > to maintain the eJournals. However, e-journals

> require much lower

> > > expenditures for building space and physical

> infrastructure.

> > > However convenience and ease of use are of great

> importance to the

> > > readers.In India net connectivity and computers

> etc may not be available

> > > everywhere in the required numbers. But in the

> west electronic resources are

> > > available around the clock, almost instantly,

> and (with the assistance of

> > > our proxy server) from almost anywhere. It is

> little wonder, then, that

> > > e-journals are used so heavily. Print journal

> provides a reliable archive.

> > > It is independent of platform and is completely

> portable. Some patrons

> > > simply prefer print over reading on a screen.

> Lastly ejournals are not

> > > strictly so since people tend to print their

> articles

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Assistant Professor,

Department of Pharmacology,

NSCB Medical College,

Jabalpur (MP)

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July 6, 2007

Hi all

Please permit me to start a new thread..the last one was getting too

long and cumbersome to handle..

While we are discussing the quality of journals..a word about the Impact Factor.

The Impact Factor of a journal is a globally accepted tool for

objective evaluation of the quality of a journal. Indian Journals in

general have low IF. However it has always been felt that IF may not

always parallel quality. Other factors like coverage

(Multidisciplinary or single subject), type of publication, degree of

specialisation etc may change the IF values. For example, a study that

probed for IF for some pharmacology journals showed that journals

which were highly specialised had a low IF. Lowest IF were for those

journals dealing with cognitive functions, epilepsy research etc,

while higher IF were obtained by journals dealing with general

pharmacology and such other broad based topics. Hence although IF

constitutes the most objective tools available, it need to be used

wisely.

Meaningful comparisons can only be made among similar comparable categories.

Comments please..

Chetna

--

Dr Chetna Desai

July 6, 2007

Dear SmitaYou have echoed some of my sentiments..let me tell you how...When I selected this topic for moderation, I had my own doubts whether I will get a right or near right answer to question posed in the topic. ly, I was and am still doubtful about the same..reasons...??

As some of our members have rightly pointed out, we are not exposed to journals in a big way due to various confounding factors, some beyond our control.Even if we do read journals, we are not trained to critically analyse the journals that we read. We usually accept what we read. Remember the editorial on " Doctors are not scientists " ? (We do have exceptions like Dr Vijay and others..)

The concept of perfect/balanced journals is at best a concept and very few journals, including international ones fulfill this. However, one of the objectives of this session was to increase awareness about these issues i.e. what makes a good journal, apart from of course sharing our choices an preferences in this area. And your mail tells me the discussion is achieving this...I am happy! Do keep up your habit of reading...and searching..Best wishes

ChetnaOn 06/07/07, smita mali <smt_mali@...> wrote:

Hello Madam, " Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a good, useful and balanced reading? " when the topic was read, I really started thinking about am I looking at the journals with this broad spectrum?

As the discussion is moving ahead with one after another views about the quality reading, i am getting an insight that these many factors can be thought about while reading. I usually go for online reading for the articles and it is most of the time search oriented. You put the topic of interest on google or pubmed you get ample of material there. So classification as editorial, letters comes into picture quite rarely.It is the information which I most of the time look for. But I agree it might be a long journey to develop good habit for reading selective or to read a lot but choose selective..........

I have seen Thawani sir reading journals or reviewing articles, it feel amasing when you see within no time he screens out the material....... I wish with " perfect practice " we will also get atleast a bit of such a skill as you all mam and sir have...................

Dr Smita Mali JRII, Pharmacology, GMC, Nagpur. Chetna Desai <chetna99@...

> wrote: Dear Miraben

and Dr VijayThanks for your learned responses.Miraben has aptly echoed the criteria for selection of journals for most beginners..our PGs are mum this time, but I am sure thats how they too look at things. As we " grow " our perspective changes, we look for a wider reading, more interests, we become more " constructively critical " and also begin questioning. The list quoted by us is no doubt long but referring to it helps set standards. When we start accepting anything, quality suffers. Madam Kunda is perhaps more practical, knowing the scenario of quality journals in India and the feasibility of fulfilling the criteria listed. But we need to look at Nature, BMJ, NEJM, The Lancet, BJP and the likes to " feel " the good journals. Dr Vijay, I was wondering why the PGs are quiet this time? Does it mean... They do not read many journals (not likely) They feel hesitant to comment (probably) Any other reason...?

Okay then here

is something simpler for them Tell us the areas in pharmacology that you refer to when reading journals (in order of preference..animal research, plant research, clinical research, pharmacoepidemiology, drug utilsation studies,...and so on). Tell us the type of articles you usually read in order of preference..Review articles, full length original research articles, short communications, case reports, letters, editorials Tell us whether you prefer print journals or online ones. That way we will know your preferences in scientific reading. Others may also post responses to these..And yes, we look forward to posts from our other regulars..Dr Gajjar, smita, anupama.......Best wishes Chetna On 06/07/07, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...

> wrote: HiThanks Mira for the compliments.I

appreciate your listing.I am sorry to differ with Kunda that the list is too long. It is long but achievable. For a journal to rise above the average status to preferred level, it has to strive to attain the maximum.

A medical journal is a package in totality. No journal can succeed if it does not pay attention to all the basics.With the stiff competetion from increasing number of publications, a journal is no more in the coveted, cherished market of shortages. Gone are the days when journals used to survive on the historical standing and past achevements. Present times, it has to compete with new professional outputs from other groups /associations. Those who ignore the need of the time are living in fool's paradise. Rival

journals are just waiting to nudge and take over. We are aware that prestigious indexed journals of bygone era are out of competetion.I do not find anything wrong with the rising professionalism in medical journal publishing. These have raised the bar of my expectations. I live to witness higher altitude.Vijay> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hello all> > > > > > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to > begin> > > > > > > tomorrow and last

> > > > > > > > until 10th July.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our > academic> > > > > > > development.

> > > > > > > > All of us have read journals at various times. Some > are avid> > > > > > > readers, others> > > > > > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read journals > varies> > > > as> > > > > > we> > > > > > > progress> > > > > > > > in our profession.

Initially we read them to collect > relevant> > > > > > > references for> > > > > > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize > ourselves> > > > with

> > > > > > the> > > > > > > recent> > > > > > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still later we> > > > either> > > > > > > specialize or

> > > > > > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy, > critical> > > > about> > > > > > > the journals> > > > > > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to > journals> > > > > > (Good> > > > > > > Print> > > > > > > > journals are not available at many places

and often > have to> > > > rely> > > > > > > on online> > > > > > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate > scientific> > > > > > papers> > > > > > > is one of> > > > > > > > the most important long-term skills required for > success in> > > > > > > science, both> > > > > > > > during and after graduate training. Certain departments> > > > > > > have " Journal Club "

> > > > > > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the > elements that> > > > > > make> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > >

careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking > about> > > > > > > scientific papers> > > > > > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are presented > focus> > > > on a> > > > > > > different> > > > > > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students > learn new> > > > > > areas

> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the > more> > > > > > general> > > > > > > skills

> > > > > > > > above.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Scientific

Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a > good,> > > > useful> > > > > > > and balanced> > > > > > > > reading?*> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other the> > > > > > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific > reading.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good> > > > > > >

scientific> > > > > > > > writing.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently > read. Also> > > > > > > tell us how> > > > > > > > frequently you read these journals.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. Why?> > > > > > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look > for…> > > > > > > Review/original> > > > > > > > research

papers/ short communications/ case reports/ > letters> > > > to> > > > > > > the editor> > > > > > > > etc)> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type of> > > > topics> > > > > > > would you> > > > > > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical

> > > > research/animal> > > > > > > studies/..> > > > > > > > ....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the thread > that> > > > will> > > > > > > string the> > > > > > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the >

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-- Dr Chetna Desai

July 6, 2007

Hi

Thanks Smita for the good words.

Here are few tips from experience:

1. Be a good reader.Enjoy whatever you do.Do not do it out of

compulsion.Keep picking newer skills and keep refining the

previously gained. Try to be one up.That extra degree in 112 makes

the difference.(Water is hot at 111 degrees but boils at 112 >

boiling water generates steam > that steam can drive even

locomotives! It is 'that' one degree extra which moves many things).

2. While reading do not indulge in multi-tasking. Keep away from

distractors (includes humans as well).

3. Concentrate on reading

4. Do not read when concentration is weavering.

5. If it requires reading on priority, do it first.Do not postpone >

pile > it creates stress. Meet the deadlines, before time.

6. If concentration is difficult then try " anaa-paan " the

traditional breath concentration technique. Within minutes one is

back to job.(Those who have not heard about it are adviced to

contact any Vippassana centre in the vicinity. They are a global

organisation).

7. Learn rapid reading technique.(While reading we silently

pronounce all that we read becuase we were trained that way. It

takes double the time while reading.Try reading with eyes only.Do

not silently utter the words that you are reading. And you will read

rapidly).

I am aging and now find the more reading, reviewing, editing a bit

taxing.

Keep blessing.

Vijay

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hello all

> > > > > > > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on

NetRUM...to

> > begin

> > > > > > > > tomorrow and last

> > > > > > > > > until 10th July.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to

our

> > academic

> > > > > > > > development.

> > > > > > > > > All of us have read journals at various times.

Some

> > are avid

> > > > > > > > readers, others

> > > > > > > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read

journals

> > varies

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > in our profession. Initially we read them to

collect

> > relevant

> > > > > > > > references for

> > > > > > > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize

> > ourselves

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > recent

> > > > > > > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still

later

> we

> > > > > either

> > > > > > > > specialize or

> > > > > > > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy,

> > critical

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > the journals

> > > > > > > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to

> > journals

> > > > > > > (Good

> > > > > > > > Print

> > > > > > > > > journals are not available at many places and

often

> > have to

> > > > > rely

> > > > > > > > on online

> > > > > > > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate

> > scientific

> > > > > > > papers

> > > > > > > > is one of

> > > > > > > > > the most important long-term skills required for

> > success in

> > > > > > > > science, both

> > > > > > > > > during and after graduate training. Certain

> departments

> > > > > > > > have " Journal Club "

> > > > > > > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the

> > elements that

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical

thinking

> > about

> > > > > > > > scientific papers

> > > > > > > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are

presented

> > focus

> > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students

> > learn new

> > > > > > > areas

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning

the

> > more

> > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > skills

> > > > > > > > > above.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a

> > good,

> > > > > useful

> > > > > > > > and balanced

> > > > > > > > > reading?*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each

other

> the

> > > > > > > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific

> > reading.*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and

papers.*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good

> > > > > > > > scientific

> > > > > > > > > writing.*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently

> > read. Also

> > > > > > > > tell us how

> > > > > > > > > frequently you read these journals.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online.

> Why?

> > > > > > > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently

look

> > for…

> > > > > > > > Review/original

> > > > > > > > > research papers/ short communications/ case

reports/

> > letters

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the editor

> > > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which

type

> of

> > > > > topics

> > > > > > > > would you

> > > > > > > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical

> > > > > research/animal

> > > > > > > > studies/..

> > > > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the

> thread

> > that

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > string the

> > > > > > > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the

> > beginning.:-)

> > > > > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for -

>

> > > > > Answers

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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> > >

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> > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > >

> >

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> >

>

> --

> Dr Chetna Desai

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

July 6, 2007

Thanks Vijay for the " elderly " advise!! A couple of points to addMake it a habit to read at least one article a day..continuity and habit ensures that you never loose interest and touch no matter what are your other compulsions.

Develop wide interests so that reading is a pleasure and not a compulsion. Eventually like eating, sleeping etc, you will feel uncomfortable if you have not read on a particular day!Save good articles..you may find them useful sometimes, even years later.

Share whatever you have read with like minded persons who would appreciate your efforts and skill and thus encourage your habit.Happy readingChetnaOn 07/07/07, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote:

Hi

Thanks Smita for the good words.

Here are few tips from experience:

1. Be a good reader.Enjoy whatever you do.Do not do it out of

compulsion.Keep picking newer skills and keep refining the

previously gained. Try to be one up.That extra degree in 112 makes

the difference.(Water is hot at 111 degrees but boils at 112 >

boiling water generates steam > that steam can drive even

locomotives! It is 'that' one degree extra which moves many things).

2. While reading do not indulge in multi-tasking. Keep away from

distractors (includes humans as well).

3. Concentrate on reading

4. Do not read when concentration is weavering.

5. If it requires reading on priority, do it first.Do not postpone >

pile > it creates stress. Meet the deadlines, before time.

6. If concentration is difficult then try " anaa-paan " the

traditional breath concentration technique. Within minutes one is

back to job.(Those who have not heard about it are adviced to

contact any Vippassana centre in the vicinity. They are a global

organisation).

7. Learn rapid reading technique.(While reading we silently

pronounce all that we read becuase we were trained that way. It

takes double the time while reading.Try reading with eyes only.Do

not silently utter the words that you are reading. And you will read

rapidly).

I am aging and now find the more reading, reviewing, editing a bit

taxing.

Keep blessing.

Vijay

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hello all

> > > > > > > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on

NetRUM...to

> > begin

> > > > > > > > tomorrow and last

> > > > > > > > > until 10th July.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to

our

> > academic

> > > > > > > > development.

> > > > > > > > > All of us have read journals at various times.

Some

> > are avid

> > > > > > > > readers, others

> > > > > > > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read

journals

> > varies

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > in our profession. Initially we read them to

collect

> > relevant

> > > > > > > > references for

> > > > > > > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize

> > ourselves

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > recent

> > > > > > > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still

later

> we

> > > > > either

> > > > > > > > specialize or

> > > > > > > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy,

> > critical

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > the journals

> > > > > > > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to

> > journals

> > > > > > > (Good

> > > > > > > > Print

> > > > > > > > > journals are not available at many places and

often

> > have to

> > > > > rely

> > > > > > > > on online

> > > > > > > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate

> > scientific

> > > > > > > papers

> > > > > > > > is one of

> > > > > > > > > the most important long-term skills required for

> > success in

> > > > > > > > science, both

> > > > > > > > > during and after graduate training. Certain

> departments

> > > > > > > > have " Journal Club "

> > > > > > > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the

> > elements that

> > > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical

thinking

> > about

> > > > > > > > scientific papers

> > > > > > > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are

presented

> > focus

> > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students

> > learn new

> > > > > > > areas

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning

the

> > more

> > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > skills

> > > > > > > > > above.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a

> > good,

> > > > > useful

> > > > > > > > and balanced

> > > > > > > > > reading?*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each

other

> the

> > > > > > > > > current concepts and preferences in scientific

> > reading.*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and

papers.*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good

> > > > > > > > scientific

> > > > > > > > > writing.*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently

> > read. Also

> > > > > > > > tell us how

> > > > > > > > > frequently you read these journals.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online.

> Why?

> > > > > > > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently

look

> > for…

> > > > > > > > Review/original

> > > > > > > > > research papers/ short communications/ case

reports/

> > letters

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the editor

> > > > > > > > > etc)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which

type

> of

> > > > > topics

> > > > > > > > would you

> > > > > > > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical

> > > > > research/animal

> > > > > > > > studies/..

> > > > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the

> thread

> > that

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > string the

> > > > > > > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the

> > beginning.:-)

> > > > > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for -

>

> > > > > Answers

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai

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>

-- Dr Chetna Desai

July 6, 2007

Hello Thank you a lot Madam and Sir........ I was really hesitating how and what to post this time. I came out of those inhibitions and put my dificulties........and i got the words of inspiration......need of an hour. If it requires reading on priority, do it first.Do not postpone > pile > it creates stress. Meet the deadlines, before time. This is the one which if made practically possible, will definitely solve more than half of the problems........... Regards, Dr Smita Mali JRII Pharmacology, GMC Nagpur. Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote: HiThanks Smita for the good words.Here are few tips from experience:1. Be a good reader.Enjoy whatever you do.Do not do it out of compulsion.Keep picking newer skills and keep refining the previously gained. Try to be one up.That extra degree in 112 makes the difference.(Water is hot at 111 degrees but boils at 112 > boiling water generates steam > that steam can drive even locomotives! It is 'that' one degree extra which moves many things).2. While reading do not indulge in multi-tasking. Keep away from distractors (includes humans as well).3. Concentrate on reading4. Do not read when concentration is

weavering.5. If it requires reading on priority, do it first.Do not postpone > pile > it creates stress. Meet the deadlines, before time.6. If concentration is difficult then try "anaa-paan" the traditional breath concentration technique. Within minutes one is back to job.(Those who have not heard about it are adviced to contact any Vippassana centre in the vicinity. They are a global organisation).7. Learn rapid reading technique.(While reading we silently pronounce all that we read becuase we were trained that way. It takes double the time while reading.Try reading with eyes only.Do not silently utter the words that you are reading. And you will read rapidly).I am aging and now find the more reading, reviewing, editing a bit taxing.Keep blessing.Vijay> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > Hello all> > > > > > > > > Welcome aboard to the next discussion on NetRUM...to > > begin> > > > > > > > tomorrow and last> > > > > > > > > until 10th July.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Scientific journals contribute significantly to our > > academic> > > > > > > > development.> > > > > > > > > All of us have read journals at various times. Some > > are avid> > > > > > > > readers, others> > > > > > > > > read them less often. Our necessity to read journals > > varies> > > > > as> > > > > > > we> > > > > > > >

progress> > > > > > > > > in our profession. Initially we read them to collect > > relevant> > > > > > > > references for> > > > > > > > > our projects/dissertation, later to familiarize > > ourselves> > > > > with> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > recent> > > > > > > > > advances and current topics of interest. Still later > we> > > > > either> > > > > > > > specialize or> > > > > > > > > develop varied interests and become more choosy, > > critical> > > > > about> > > > > > > > the journals> > > > > > > > > we choose to read. With limited time and access to > >

journals> > > > > > > (Good> > > > > > > > Print> > > > > > > > > journals are not available at many places and often > > have to> > > > > rely> > > > > > > > on online> > > > > > > > > ones) one has to learn to choose.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Learning to critically read, write, and evaluate > > scientific> > > > > > > papers> > > > > > > > is one of> > > > > > > > > the most important long-term skills required for > > success in> > > > > > > > science, both> > > > > > > > > during and after graduate training. Certain > departments> > > > >

> > > have "Journal Club"> > > > > > > > > format as one of the approaches to teaching the > > elements that> > > > > > > make> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > careful reading, good writing, and critical thinking > > about> > > > > > > > scientific papers> > > > > > > > > to teach these skills. The papers that are presented > > focus> > > > > on a> > > > > > > > different> > > > > > > > > topic or set of topics each year, so that students > > learn new> > > > > > > areas> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > pharmacological sciences in addition to learning the > >

more> > > > > > > general> > > > > > > > skills> > > > > > > > > above.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So coming to the topic for this session on NetRUM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *Scientific Journals in Pharmacology -What makes a > > good,> > > > > useful> > > > > > > > and balanced> > > > > > > > > reading?*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *You may be wondering..why this topic? Simple…*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > - *· **To gain an insight and share with each other > the> > > > > > > > > current

concepts and preferences in scientific > > reading.*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > - *· **To learn to select good journals and papers.*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > - *· **In the process also learn to do some good> > > > > > > > scientific> > > > > > > > > writing.*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *So Lets begin with responding to the following…*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. Tell us about the journals that you frequently > > read. Also> > > > > > > > tell us how> > > > > > > >

> frequently you read these journals.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. What are your criteria for selecting a journal?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 3. Which journals do you prefer..print or online. > Why?> > > > > > > > > 4. What are the type of articles you frequently look > > for…> > > > > > > > Review/original> > > > > > > > > research papers/ short communications/ case reports/ > > letters> > > > > to> > > > > > > > the editor> > > > > > > > > etc)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 5. With special reference to Pharmacology which type > of> > > >

> topics> > > > > > > > would you> > > > > > > > > look for in a journal (herbal reserach/clinical> > > > > research/animal> > > > > > > > studies/..> > > > > > > > > ....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Your answers to these queries will provide the > thread > > that> > > > > will> > > > > > > > string the> > > > > > > > > fiurther discussion. So lets begin with the > > beginning.:-)> > > > > > > > > Dr Chetna Desai> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

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July 10, 2007

Dear YAshpalThanks for responding. E journal are a luxury since they cost a fortune..but it teaches a lot about literature search. 10-15 years ago We were not fortunate to have this facility. We had to spend hours searching for a particular journal and were frustrated sometimes when the particular issue was missing. Some other reader would misplace it or the librarians were not meticulous enough to put them back at place. Of course we had the luxury of reading them at leisure and at places other than the library...no problems of server not working, overcrowded net centers etc. We also learnt about cross references and to use index medicus and the like...Book lovers like me were annoyed when some pages were found missing or some crazy reader had mutilated the books with their pens, etc...

Anyways..times change and some changes are sure welcomeBest luck and blessings...On 07/07/07, yashpal jadeja <

ypjadeja@...> wrote:

Hello all,

As discussion is going on nicely, i also like to

share some points.

After looking postings of Vijay sir, Chetna

madam i felt that as a p.g. student my reading of

scientific journal is very less, but as nicely guided

by moderators i will try to improve. We are lucky as

our college has e-library facility and access to many

journals.

My reading was initially primarily concerned

about thesis topic when i came across journals like

JAMA, BJCP, BMJ, ls internal medicine etc.. And

slowly getting idea about them. Also as member of IPS

i get IJP.

I like to read educational forum in IJP, and as

a type of articles review article. As a part of

Abstract writing exercise we had read animal

experiment articles and i feel if one starts reading

then as Chetna madam has told it can also become

interesting.

I found some BJCP editorials interesting

although not read editorials of BMJ or lancet but as

Vijay sir has written it is really enjoying to read

editorial as it has history, although bit difficult

sometime but interesting language and usually small

2-3 pages..

Respected chetna madam, what is red tapism u

have written to answer Dr. Sachin..

Thanking you,

Dr. Yashpal Jadeja

P.G. Student M.D. (pharmacology)

BJMC, Ahmedabad.

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