Guest guest Posted September 3, 2000 Report Share Posted September 3, 2000 For all those skeptics who believe that somehow our bodies are producing soap from the olive oil, here's a question you can answer for me: A friend who first shared the cleanse with me had many small gallstones which had been proven by ultra sound. She was in extreme pain and couldn't eat anything. After doing the flush she indeed passed bunches of very small stones, as shown on the ultra sound, and was completely relieved of pain and nausea. On the other hand, her husband too did the flush, although he had not had any symptoms, and passed nothing. Obviously, he had no gallstones basically because he consumes a diet of mostly fruits and vegetables with virtually no fat in his diet. My question is, if the olive oil turns to these " so called soap stones " , then why did the husband not pass any. He followed the regimen exactly drinking the same amount of olive oil, so where's his soap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2000 Report Share Posted September 3, 2000 AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGhgggghhh!!!! I am pulling my hair out with this argument. Don't get me wrong.. I am not mad at anyone! I just don't understand why there isn't some open-minded lab tech out there who would like to prove once and for all.. what those bloody things really are!!!! Could someone capture some of those greenies and take them to their uncle Fred.. who happens to be a Lab tech. Please! I am still on my own little quest to desolve my big old, probably 'hard as rock' stone. I am starting to feel a little panic that there may be no hope for me other than having the blasted gall bladder out. I will live with this rock until I am in dire straights. I hope my body takes care of it somehow with my excellent diet. Blessings.. peace.. Diane On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 03:04:57 NCsongbird66 wrote: >For all those skeptics who believe that somehow our bodies are >producing soap from the olive oil, here's a question you can answer >for me: A friend who first shared the cleanse with me had many small >gallstones which had been proven by ultra sound. She was in extreme >pain and couldn't eat anything. After doing the flush she indeed >passed bunches of very small stones, as shown on the ultra sound, and >was completely relieved of pain and nausea. On the other hand, her >husband too did the flush, although he had not had any symptoms, and >passed nothing. Obviously, he had no gallstones basically because he >consumes a diet of mostly fruits and vegetables with virtually no fat >in his diet. My question is, if the olive oil turns to these " so >called soap stones " , then why did the husband not pass any. He >followed the regimen exactly drinking the same amount of olive oil, >so where's his soap? > > Get your FREE Email and Voicemail at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2000 Report Share Posted September 3, 2000 Hi, I took mine to a lab. The green soft ones. They said they squeezed them and there were no sign of stones inside. DUH. And they are fecal matter. NO SH**! My Doctor informed me smuggly. I dont belive this analysis proves anything either way. But I thought I should post it. I got none on my first flush,appx. 60 on second, 100 on third, and none on 4 and 5. Best bet seems to be to filter them out somehow to get the sinkers. The ones I got look a lot like the pictures online still in the gall bladder, only soft. Im taking a flush break for a while though. Maybe in a few months Ill strain it. That should be even MORE fun! :~0 Diane Combs wrote: > > > AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGhgggghhh!!!! > > I am pulling my hair out with this argument. Don't get me wrong.. I am not mad at anyone! I just don't understand why there isn't some open-minded lab tech out there who would like to prove once and for all.. what those bloody things really are!!!! Could someone capture some of those greenies and take them to their uncle Fred.. who happens to be a Lab tech. Please! > > I am still on my own little quest to desolve my big old, probably 'hard as rock' stone. I am starting to feel a little panic that there may be no hope for me other than having the blasted gall bladder out. I will live with this rock until I am in dire straights. > > I hope my body takes care of it somehow with my excellent diet. > > Blessings.. peace.. Diane > > On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 03:04:57 > NCsongbird66 wrote: > >For all those skeptics who believe that somehow our bodies are > >producing soap from the olive oil, here's a question you can answer > >for me: A friend who first shared the cleanse with me had many small > >gallstones which had been proven by ultra sound. She was in extreme > >pain and couldn't eat anything. After doing the flush she indeed > >passed bunches of very small stones, as shown on the ultra sound, and > >was completely relieved of pain and nausea. On the other hand, her > >husband too did the flush, although he had not had any symptoms, and > >passed nothing. Obviously, he had no gallstones basically because he > >consumes a diet of mostly fruits and vegetables with virtually no fat > >in his diet. My question is, if the olive oil turns to these " so > >called soap stones " , then why did the husband not pass any. He > >followed the regimen exactly drinking the same amount of olive oil, > >so where's his soap? > > > > > > Get your FREE Email and Voicemail at Lycos Communications at > http://comm.lycos.com > > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2000 Report Share Posted September 3, 2000 I had the same thing happen with my taking the brown and green ones to my doctor to have analyzed. They said the exact same thing. What really got me was that at least some labs will say it was a waxy substance and as we all know cholesterol is a .....waxy substance. I know it was a waxy substance myself because of how it felt crushed between my fingers. DaleDa_@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Novak gallstonesegroups Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 9:34 PM Subject: Re: soap stones? Hi, I took mine to a lab. The green soft ones. They said they squeezedthem and there were no sign of stones inside. DUH. And they are fecalmatter. NO SH**! My Doctor informed me smuggly.I dont belive this analysis proves anything either way. But I thought Ishould post it. I got none on my first flush,appx. 60 on second, 100 on third, andnone on 4 and 5. Best bet seems to be to filter them out somehow to getthe sinkers. The ones I got look a lot like the pictures online still inthe gall bladder, only soft. Im taking a flush break for a while though.Maybe in a few months Ill strain it. That should be even MORE fun! :~0 Diane Combs wrote:> > > AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGhgggghhh!!!!> > I am pulling my hair out with this argument. Don't get me wrong.. I am not mad at anyone! I just don't understand why there isn't some open-minded lab tech out there who would like to prove once and for all.. what those bloody things really are!!!! Could someone capture some of those greenies and take them to their uncle Fred.. who happens to be a Lab tech. Please!> > I am still on my own little quest to desolve my big old, probably 'hard as rock' stone. I am starting to feel a little panic that there may be no hope for me other than having the blasted gall bladder out. I will live with this rock until I am in dire straights.> > I hope my body takes care of it somehow with my excellent diet.> > Blessings.. peace.. Diane> > On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 03:04:57> NCsongbird66 wrote:> >For all those skeptics who believe that somehow our bodies are> >producing soap from the olive oil, here's a question you can answer> >for me: A friend who first shared the cleanse with me had many small> >gallstones which had been proven by ultra sound. She was in extreme> >pain and couldn't eat anything. After doing the flush she indeed> >passed bunches of very small stones, as shown on the ultra sound, and> >was completely relieved of pain and nausea. On the other hand, her> >husband too did the flush, although he had not had any symptoms, and> >passed nothing. Obviously, he had no gallstones basically because he> >consumes a diet of mostly fruits and vegetables with virtually no fat> >in his diet. My question is, if the olive oil turns to these "so> >called soap stones", then why did the husband not pass any. He> >followed the regimen exactly drinking the same amount of olive oil,> >so where's his soap?> >> >> > Get your FREE Email and Voicemail at Lycos Communications at> http://comm.lycos.com> > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2000 Report Share Posted September 3, 2000 Hi Dale, I too found them to be a waxy and even somewhat sticky substance and too wondered if cholesteral was indeed a waxy, sticky medium. In reading about cholesterol plaque built up in the arterial walls to the heart, what we are passing seems to be very much the same thing, only built up in the gallbladder. My chiropractor referred to them as " fatty deposits " . I just simply can't see how olive oil could become waxy just by going through the GI system. NCsongbird66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2000 Report Share Posted September 3, 2000 Well there you go. It all depends on the lab and their expertise.A much larger lab like Kline Beacham would probably be more knowledgable. I am inclined to believe the subscriber whose father-in-law pathologist stated by observance that the specimens were run of the mill gallstones. I don't even care about having mine analyzed. I know how I feel and I know I have gotten rid of stones. Have a good day. laura ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale gallstonesegroups Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 1:01 AM Subject: Re: soap stones? I had the same thing happen with my taking the brown and green ones to my doctor to have analyzed. They said the exact same thing. What really got me was that at least some labs will say it was a waxy substance and as we all know cholesterol is a .....waxy substance. I know it was a waxy substance myself because of how it felt crushed between my fingers. DaleDa_@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Novak gallstonesegroups Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 9:34 PM Subject: Re: soap stones? Hi, I took mine to a lab. The green soft ones. They said they squeezedthem and there were no sign of stones inside. DUH. And they are fecalmatter. NO SH**! My Doctor informed me smuggly.I dont belive this analysis proves anything either way. But I thought Ishould post it. I got none on my first flush,appx. 60 on second, 100 on third, andnone on 4 and 5. Best bet seems to be to filter them out somehow to getthe sinkers. The ones I got look a lot like the pictures online still inthe gall bladder, only soft. Im taking a flush break for a while though.Maybe in a few months Ill strain it. That should be even MORE fun! :~0 Diane Combs wrote:> > > AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGhgggghhh!!!!> > I am pulling my hair out with this argument. Don't get me wrong.. I am not mad at anyone! I just don't understand why there isn't some open-minded lab tech out there who would like to prove once and for all.. what those bloody things really are!!!! Could someone capture some of those greenies and take them to their uncle Fred.. who happens to be a Lab tech. Please!> > I am still on my own little quest to desolve my big old, probably 'hard as rock' stone. I am starting to feel a little panic that there may be no hope for me other than having the blasted gall bladder out. I will live with this rock until I am in dire straights.> > I hope my body takes care of it somehow with my excellent diet.> > Blessings.. peace.. Diane> > On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 03:04:57> NCsongbird66 wrote:> >For all those skeptics who believe that somehow our bodies are> >producing soap from the olive oil, here's a question you can answer> >for me: A friend who first shared the cleanse with me had many small> >gallstones which had been proven by ultra sound. She was in extreme> >pain and couldn't eat anything. After doing the flush she indeed> >passed bunches of very small stones, as shown on the ultra sound, and> >was completely relieved of pain and nausea. On the other hand, her> >husband too did the flush, although he had not had any symptoms, and> >passed nothing. Obviously, he had no gallstones basically because he> >consumes a diet of mostly fruits and vegetables with virtually no fat> >in his diet. My question is, if the olive oil turns to these "so> >called soap stones", then why did the husband not pass any. He> >followed the regimen exactly drinking the same amount of olive oil,> >so where's his soap?> >> >> > Get your FREE Email and Voicemail at Lycos Communications at> http://comm.lycos.com> > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2000 Report Share Posted September 5, 2000 > My question is, if the olive oil turns to these " so > called soap stones " , then why did the husband not pass any. He > followed the regimen exactly drinking the same amount of olive oil, > so where's his soap? Well, I'm not providing an " answer " here, as if I'm somehow an expert on all that's going on, but here's my thoughts on how such a thing may be possible. We cannot concentrate solely on the amount of olive oil and forget about the other components available during this process, whether flushed or introduced. Since the amount of olive oil remains constant, if some of these stones are not " real stones, " then the answer must lie somewhere else. It's possible that bile salts play a prominent role in the formation of these 'soap stones' as well. A clogged gallbladder would restrict the flow of bile and perhaps turn the gallbladder into a sort of collecting tank for the buildup of bile salt. If that's true, then perhaps the hitherto concentrated bile salts stored in the gallbladder are unleashed because of the squeezing mechanism on the gallbladder during a flush. Unleashed cholesterol and concentrated bile salts may then combine along with fat (the components suggested by Dr. Klein), forming what termed as 'soap stones' (although I'm still uncomfortable with terming it as 'soap'). Since bile salt is an emulsifier, it's necessity in allowing the three components to combine in this way is crucial. In your husband's case, his fruit/vegetable diet may well be the longer term solution suggested by in an earlier post, namely, that such a diet alkalyzes the blood, keeps stones from forming at the liver level, reduces cholesterol buildup, and thereby preventing not only real stone formation, but the buildup of the components needed for " fake stone " formation as well. Therefore, he would not see either because he has already established a longer term, perhaps even better, method of prevention -- everything's being kept flowing, not allowing the formation of anything, real or fake. Just some uneducated musings. P.S. -- I think your husband is to be commended for caring enough about his personal health to maintain such a diet. If I only had his depth of willpower. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2000 Report Share Posted September 5, 2000 , ----- Original Message ----- From: gallstonesegroups Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: soap stones? >If I only had his >depth of willpower. :-) Look for your "willpower" in the form of restoring mineral ions, not in your basic "character". We're all "chemistry". Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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