RE: [Norton AntiSpam] question

[Guest guest]

The

honest truth is, it may be very difficult and even impossible for you to

stabilize in P2. Sorry. Not trying to burst your bubble or anything. I'm just

telling you what many people report that also * fell off protocol from time to

time*. It's possible you can dodge the bullet but not likely. Even a lifetime,

nutritional coach who has now done 4 rounds swears that the reason 2 of her

rounds failed was because she did little cheats from time to time, added

things, ate off protocol, etc. She continued to lose weight and thought she

best the protocol but once she hit P3 & P4 she could not stabilize or

maintain and she gained all her weight back. She has since done two more rounds

and done them perfectly clean and she stabilized and is maintaining and doing

very well. She's smaller now than she has been her entire life.

She

is now taking all kinds of nutritional courses, etc to further her education

and to try and help others realize the importance of the protocol and doing it

clean.

Her

name is Vicky R. and she has a wonderful <free> web site at,

www/hcgloss.com with a lot of helpful suggestions, tips, recipes, etc.

all for free. She only charges a fee if you want one on one private help.

Otherwise, everything she has to offer is free. She knows a lot about the protocol

and is very helpful.

Good

luck Annette~

Terri Randall

Creature Comforts

Sheridan, WY.

www.GotPaws.net

APS List Owner

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Annette Farrell

Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:20 PM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] question

Hi guys,

I have a few more days of injections and then I " m done with

the 41 day cycle. I have lost 18 pounds so that is great.

I have struggled the past few weeks--don't want lectures. There is

a reason we are over weight and there are always under lying circumstances on

why we eat like we do and I am trying to deal with my issues. But I have stayed

as close to the diet as possible and when I " fall off " I get back on.

I have also started exercising which is a good thing because I never felt

like exercising before.

My question is---since I have not been strictly on diet--if I do

the 3 weeks of no sugars/starches will it still work or have I totally screwed

the whole thing up? I don't want to start eating anything but sugars/starches

and start putting weight on. If I have screwed up I " d like to at least

watch what I eat, exercise for the next 3 weeks then consider doing the next

course.

Has anyone had to deal with this?

BTW--have just been doing this on my own. No dr--a friend bought 2

cycles and decided to only do 1 cycle and gave me his supply. That is why

I joined group--I figure there are different people on here who may have

similar circumstances

Thanks!

Annette

[Guest guest]

Sorry....

had some typos.

The

honest truth is, it may be very difficult and even impossible for you to

stabilize in P2. Sorry. Not trying to burst your bubble or anything. I'm just

telling you what many people report that also * fell off protocol from time to

time*. It's possible you can dodge the bullet but not likely. Even a lifetime,

nutritional coach who has now done 4 rounds swears that the reason 2 of her

rounds failed was because she did little cheats from time to time, added

things, ate off protocol, etc. She continued to lose weight and thought she beat

the protocol but once she hit P3 & P4 she could not stabilize or maintain

and she gained all her weight back. She has since done two more rounds and done

them perfectly clean and she stabilized and is maintaining and doing very well.

She's smaller now than she has been her entire life.

She

is now taking all kinds of nutritional courses, etc to further her education

and to try and help others realize the importance of the protocol and doing it

clean.

Her

name is Vicky R. and she has a wonderful <free> web site at; www.hcgloss.com

with a lot of helpful suggestions, tips, recipes, etc. all for free. She

only charges a fee if you want one on one private help. Otherwise, everything

she has to offer is free. She knows a lot about the protocol and is very

helpful.

Good

luck Annette~

Terri Randall

Creature Comforts

Sheridan, WY.

www.GotPaws.net

APS List Owner

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Annette Farrell

Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:20 PM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] question

Hi guys,

I have a few more days of injections and then I " m done with

the 41 day cycle. I have lost 18 pounds so that is great.

I have struggled the past few weeks--don't want lectures. There is

a reason we are over weight and there are always under lying circumstances on

why we eat like we do and I am trying to deal with my issues. But I have stayed

as close to the diet as possible and when I " fall off " I get back on.

I have also started exercising which is a good thing because I never felt

like exercising before.

My question is---since I have not been strictly on diet--if I do

the 3 weeks of no sugars/starches will it still work or have I totally screwed

the whole thing up? I don't want to start eating anything but sugars/starches

and start putting weight on. If I have screwed up I " d like to at least

watch what I eat, exercise for the next 3 weeks then consider doing the next

course.

Has anyone had to deal with this?

BTW--have just been doing this on my own. No dr--a friend bought 2

cycles and decided to only do 1 cycle and gave me his supply. That is why

I joined group--I figure there are different people on here who may have similar

circumstances

Thanks!

Annette

[Guest guest]

Some

more info for you concerning this Annette...

The

actual healing and re-set of the hypothalamus occurs during P2, the diet phase.

The VLCD and all the water you drink slowly heals the damage that's been done

previously by eating garbage, processed foods, etc. Then in P3, you replenish

with good fats which is what our bodies are intended to burn to function

properly. This allows the re-set to stabilize and stick. Then P4 is the time

when you gradually add back in starches and sugars to determine how they affect

you.

So...

if you cheat/eat off protocol in P2, you set back- delay- harm the re-set.

Which is why so many people that did P2 eating off protocol and thought they

were fine because they still lost weight, ultimately failed to stabilize and

maintain once in P3 & P4.

It's

critical to follow this *prescriptive* protocol as written. That's been

proved countless times. It has nothing to do with simply losing weight. More to

do with healing and re-setting the hypothalamus.

Dr. Simeons stated

this in P & I that explains what I said about P2 being the re-set/healing

phase.... " We never give a treatment lasting less than

26 days, even in patients needing to lose only 5 pounds. It seems that even in the mildest cases of obesity the

diencephalon requires about three weeks rest from the maximal exertion to which

it had been previously subjected in order to regain fully its normal

fat-banking capacity.

In other

words... it takes a minimum round of 26 days following the VLCD perfectly in

order to heal the damage that's been done by eating...*whatever* previously.

So... when you fall off protocol, cheat, add things in, etc you obviously set

yourself back and damage what progress you have made thus far.

Many have

said... in order to ensure a successful P3, P4 by someone who cheated during

P2, they need to get back on the protocol and eat strictly protocol for 3 clean

weeks before moving to P3. I believe that's exactly what Dr. Simeons is saying

above.

I hope this

info is what you were looking for?

Terri Randall

Creature Comforts

Sheridan, WY.

www.GotPaws.net

APS List Owner

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Annette Farrell

Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:20 PM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] question

Hi guys,

I have a few more days of injections and then I " m done with

the 41 day cycle. I have lost 18 pounds so that is great.

I have struggled the past few weeks--don't want lectures. There is

a reason we are over weight and there are always under lying circumstances on

why we eat like we do and I am trying to deal with my issues. But I have stayed

as close to the diet as possible and when I " fall off " I get back on.

I have also started exercising which is a good thing because I never felt

like exercising before.

My question is---since I have not been strictly on diet--if I do

the 3 weeks of no sugars/starches will it still work or have I totally screwed

the whole thing up? I don't want to start eating anything but sugars/starches

and start putting weight on. If I have screwed up I " d like to at least

watch what I eat, exercise for the next 3 weeks then consider doing the next

course.

Has anyone had to deal with this?

BTW--have just been doing this on my own. No dr--a friend bought 2

cycles and decided to only do 1 cycle and gave me his supply. That is why

I joined group--I figure there are different people on here who may have

similar circumstances

Thanks!

Annette

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Terri! That was all wonderful information.

Kim

In a message dated 12/1/2010 11:47:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, randall@... writes:

Hi Annette. First the phases, etc....But... you will need to wait the entire 6 weeks before starting a new round, not simply 3 weeks, sorry.

Phase 1 (P1): This is from KT's book and is a cleansing phase, many don’t do it because it was not part of the Dr. Simeon’s protocol.

Phase 2 (P2): This is when you are taking the HCG < including the 2 loading days> and then following the 500 calorie diet. This is also referred to as VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diet or Days)

Phase 3 (P3): This is also called the syabilization phase. This is the 3 weeks after taking the HCG where you can eat whatever you like with the exception of sugar and starch

Phase 4: (P4): This is the 3 weeks < in round 1> following P3 where you SLOWLY re-introduce the sugar and starch back in. This can be as long as you want and doesn’t have

to be limited to 3 weeks. That is just the minimum and as you do more rounds this time frame becomes increasingly longer to stave off immunity.

Now..... Here is a *Bunch* of stuff from my files, contributions from others, etc that help when moving to P3, P4. I hope some of this helps you~

This is basically a compilation of things I've saved for more than a year before ever starting the HCG protocol for the first time. Some of these are my experiences, some are from others that helped me along the way. Some things are articles to get you thinking and to re-think the way you think about food, fats, etc. These things helped me tremendously and I stabilized perfectly in P3. But please note!! As with anything... everyone is different and what works well for some might not for others. P3 & P3 are pretty much personal journeys. finding out what works for your body and what doesn't. but there are a few *rules* that will help along the way.

This is LONG! I'd suggest saving it to your own PC and just refer back to it as you need it.

First.... you need to lose the *diet* mind-set from P2 and realize that fat is not something to be avoided. Lots of research has gone into this subject. Below are just some of the posts/links/files, etc that I have saved to my pc over the last few months. Take the time to check it out and be an informed eater.

"There is a book that everyone should take a look at its called "The Fats That Heal & The Fats That Kill" What most people fail to also recognize is that every cell in the human body has what's called a phospholipid layer better known as fat. If we are eating the worst fats on the planet, what type of cells are we recreating? Most people who have elevated cholesterol don't get it from eating to much fat they get it from to much sugar from processed foods. To put it simply when the sugar passes through the liver it comes out as Triglycerides or cholesterol. Think back to the early to mid 80's when everything was fat free. People didn't get more fit or healthier we as a nation got FATTER & SICKER."

" We are NOT talking about the unhealthy fats, which contrary to what you've been taught, is NOT saturated fat, but rather most vegetable oils and hydrogenated fats.

http://www.westonaprice.org/Know-Your-Fats/

http://www.westonaprice.org/The-Skinny-on-Fats.html

Fat has been demonized, but the truth is that it's just not true. Saturated fat is necessary to the body for many tasks. Without it, your body can't make hormones properly.

Your immune system doesn't function as well.

http://tinyurl.com/bigfatlie "

What is considered *high fat* by the mainstream these days was simply normal fat when Simeons wrote P & I. Consider this study:

Harvard School of Public Health reported that when we were eating 45% fat, 13% were obese and less than 1% had diabetes. Reducing the fat to 33% resulted in 34% obesity rates and 8% diabetes incidence. Do you think that’s a coincidence? I don’t. http://tinyurl.com/PerCentFat

Eating low fat on P3 is the fastest way I know to gain back most of what you lost in P2. Fat is NOT the enemy, folks, unless combined with starch or sugar. In the absence of starch and sugar, it is biochemically IMPOSSIBLE to gain weight from eating fat. In fact, it is not possible to take dietary fats directly into fat cell storage. They must be changed to fatty acids in order to be stored, and that requires the presence of excess insulin, which is only secreted when you eat sugar or starches. Please view and listen closely to this lecture on how the body stores fat, given at Dartmouth on Medical Grand Rounds: http://tinyurl.com/Taubes

Dr Simeons even mentioned in P & I that not eating enough can cause problems:

"The other trouble which is frequently encountered immediately after treatment is again due to over-enthusiasm. Some patients cannot believe that they can eat fairly normally without regaining weight. They disregard the advice to eat anything they please except sugar and starch and want to play safe. They try more or less to continue the 500-Calorie diet on which they felt so well during treatment and make only minor variations, such as replacing the meat with an egg, cheese, or a glass of milk. To their horror they find that in spite of this bravura, their weight goes up. So, following instructions, they skip one meager lunch and at night eat only a little salad and drink a pot of unsweetened tea, becoming increasingly hungry and weak. The next morning they find that they have increased yet another pound. They feel terrible, and even the dreaded swelling of their ankles is back. Normally we check our patients one week after they have been eating freely, but these cases return in a few days. Either their eyes are filled with tears or they angrily imply that when we told them to eat normally we were just fooling them.â€

Here too, the explanation is quite simple. During treatment the patient has been only just above the verge of protein deficiency and has had the advantage of protein being fed back into his system from the breakdown of fatty tissue. Once the treatment is over there is no more HCG in the body and this process no longer takes place. Unless an adequate amount of protein is eaten as soon as the treatment is over, protein deficiency is bound to develop, and this inevitably causes the marked retention of water known as hunger- edema.

The patient is told to eat two eggs for breakfast and a huge steak for lunch and dinner followed by a large helping of cheese and to phone through the weight the next morning. When these instructions are followed a stunned voice is heard to report that two lbs. have vanished overnight, that the ankles are normal but that sleep was disturbed, owing to an extraordinary need to pass large quantities of water. The patient having learned this lesson usually has no further trouble.â€

I've seen too many gain at the beginning of P3 for just this reason of not eating enough.

The most common mistake in P3 is not eating enough. While on the hcg your body is burning up close to 4000 calories so you don’t want to restrict it when you come off. You can find how much calories you should be eating and use that as a guideline. Try to eat often but not overeat. Here is a link for a calorie calculator:

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_6_1x_Calorie_Calculator.asp

Here's a couple Blogs with recipe/menu ideas. *Most* would be great for P3 but you need to check for ingredients and remember the *no starch no sugar* rule.

This first one is meat based and very low carb. (She has some great links.)

Here is the recipe index post.

http://girlgoneprimal.blogspot.com/2010/01/recipe-index-post.html

Here's another site.....

http://healthyindulgences.blogspot.com/

Here's another great blog for recipes;

http://www.cleochatra.blogspot.com/

***Recipes marked with an *I* are good for P3***

**********************************************************

Do *NOT* continue the 500 calorie diet after HCG is out of your system even if you have more weight to lose. As attractive as that might sound, you will become weak and tired, and your body will begin to go into 'starvation' mode and it will attempt to hold on to its fat stores for self preservation. This will undo all the progress you made in P 2. Your weight will go up and down and perhaps fluctuate wildly the first week or so! This is normal. Which is why Dr. S set P3 for 3 solid weeks and why you should NOT try to cut it or P4 short!!

Do a steak day if need be. Your weight will eventually stabilize. Read labels and stay away from added sugars and starches. Be careful, many are hidden. Or better yet, eat real, whole unprocessed foods! Eat whatever you want, without starch or sugar, during P3. Make sure you eat enough! Continue to drink plenty of water as you did in P2.

Avoid higher sugar/starch veggies such as Corn, Beets, Potatoes, Squash, Peas, Carrots, etc.

Avoid higher sugar fruits such as, Grapes , bananas, dried fruit, pineapple, Kiwi, Tangerines, Mango, papaya, oranges <for some people>.

*MOST* meats are fine but avoid bacon and other cured meats with added sugars. Skip cold-cuts. Full of Nitrates, etc.

Eggs are almost the perfect food! right balance between protein and fats.

Stick to *whole* real cheeses. Don't get the processed, pre-shredded/grated as they contain added starches and preservations that help keep them from clumping.

****************************************

Here's a couple sites that calculate protein requirements...

http://www.healthcalculators.org/calculators/protein.asphttp://www.indoorclimbing.com/Protein_Requirement.html

Here are some calorie calculator sites < there are MANY more>

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_6_1x_Calorie_Calculator.asp

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/

I like to plug my info into a couple/few different ones and average them out as the different calculators seem to vary quite a bit sometimes.

Here's a good site to find out the *starch content* in different foods. I found it very helpful in making food choices in P3. Based on this, I pretty much stayed away from nuts until P4 with a few rare exceptions.

http://www.kickas.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat & Number=143543

***********************************

If you find you need *correction days* in P3 because you are over the 2 lb. guideline, and steak days just aren't effective for you at times, here's a great little E-Book that has different correction days in it.

You can get it here; http://www.happilythinnerafter.com/

*******************************************************

Before we get to sample menus that I or others ate on P3, here's a compilation of tips that *many* <not all> found helpful in stabilizing. Please note that what works for some, does NOT work for everyone!

If you want something that *may* make you gain, eat it early in the day.

High fat nuts are easier (macadamia nuts are amazing) to stabilize.

Peanuts are not nuts, they are legumes and are starchy!

You can work out on p3, but go easy and ease into it.

Add things in one at a time so you know what makes you gain and can correct quickly.

Drinking a minimum of 2.5 liters of water.

Drinking green tea.

Taking digestive enzymes with every meal.

Taking probiotics.

Chewing food thoroughly and slowly.

Getting enough sleep.

Eating a little bit of something every few hours as opposed to 3 meals a day.

Drinking coffee

Walking 30 minutes a day.

Relaxation. Stress tends to make some gain some weight, and gaining weight stresses you out. Vicious circle.

Drinking a glass of red wine.

Taking WOBENZYM

Taking other supplements such as, omega 3, vitamin e, and potassium, Candida G.

Go easy with the dairy in the beginning. Butter is ok, cream cheese should be ok, full fat cream, etc but be careful with milk and cottage cheese. Causes a lot of people to gain < natural or added sugars>. Add one a day, to see how that affects you.

If you get close to a steak day, try and have a day where you eat two eggs for breakfast, chicken with mayo and lettuce for lunch, and a big serving of protein for dinner. That may help stave off a traditional steak day.

I've found that eating a dinner high in protein with fat and only a salad on the side helped me stabilize. Eat more adventurously through the day and eat only that type of foods later for dinner.

Things that made *some* gain: More than 1-2 servings of cheese a day, peanuts, peanut butter, chicken with the skin on/bone in, green beans, ranch dressing, too much dairy in general, sugar-free dark chocolate.

Things that did NOT make *some* gain: high fat nuts, lots of fat, flavored coffee, strawberries, apples, blueberries, raspberries, full fat cream.

********************************************************

Some samples of foods eaten per day...

I eat bacon and eggs for breakfast. I usually fry my eggs in butter. Usually 2 eggs, 3 strips bacon and then a small bowl of berries and cream.

For lunch when I'm in a hurry, I do quite frequently have a protein shake but along with it, I will add full fat cream and berries to it, and also usually have a hardboiled egg & perhaps a baby-bell cheese wheel. Love those!!

For a snack, it's sometimes guacamole with veggies, some cheese, hardboiled egg, once in a great while a few macadamia nuts.

I like my meat! :0) So dinner is usually a steak, or pork chop, or hamburger steak or a nice tuna steak, a veggie, lots of time it's asparagus, sometimes mock-mashed potatoes < cauliflower, garlic, cream> a nice salad with homemade Caesar salad dressing.

A later night snack is often more berries with cream.

Other days...

Scrambled eggs < crazy eggs> with cheese, peppers, onion, salsa, mushrooms, etc with sausage or bacon.

No sugar Protein Shakes

Salads with chicken, avocado and blue cheese, , shrimp, etc.

Grilled Chicken Breast, Hamburger patty with lettuce/tomato/cheese/no bun

Steak

Halibut

Salmon

Shrimp cooked in coconut oil and garlic.

Others......

A bowl of berries covered in heavy cream with vanilla cream stevia to sweeten. Omelet with 2 or 3 eggs, about a tbls of cream added to eggs, cheese, 1 c spinach and onion. Bacon.

Chicken, chicken salad or tuna salad or something along those lines, a piece of cheese and some tomato, I eat some nuts for a snack usually macadamia nuts or cheese & apples.

Dinner = meat of choice, veggie, salad with dressing and cheese and avocado. Sometimes I will eat an avocado for a snack.

********************************

Here's a quick, easy, tasty bread recipe for P3. *Some* may have a problem with flax and almond flour so go easy but most don't. Works with Flax Seed Meal instead of Almond flour. Makes great toast with butter!!

Coffee cup Bread

Makes 1-2 Servings

Prep time: 3 minutes

Cook time: 2 minutes

Ingredients

1/4 cup Almond flour

1/2 tsp baking powder

1 packet of powdered Stevia

1 teaspoon cinnamon

1 egg

1 tsp butter

1. Mix all dry ingredients in a straight-sided coffee mug. I use a small whisk to mix.

2. Add the egg and butter. Beat until smooth.

3. Microwave for 1-2 minutes until done. It takes 2 minutes in my microwave, because its small.

4. Allow to cool slightly. Dump it out of the cup and slice

I hope this helps some of you have an easier, less stressful time in P3!

Best of luck~

Terri Randall

Creature Comforts

Sheridan, WY.

www.GotPaws.net

APS List Owner

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Annette FarrellSent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] question

Thanks guys,

I"m sure that is what I am looking for but I get confused with all the P2, P3, P4-VLCD abbreviations.

Not sure what that means. Is P1 the loading--P2 the first set of injections, P3 the 3 weeks you are off HCG etc.

So what I"m thinking--I may eat things except carbs/sugars for the next 3 weeks but limit quantity and keep exercising and see what happens. Hopefully I can maintain my weight and even continue to lose.

But I understand what you are saying. Without doing the strict protocol I'm just basically dieting on my own. Not resetting metabolism at all.

If I completely screw all this up--can I wait the three weeks and just start again?

Also is cheese or soy milk considered a carb or sugar? I could live on cheese omelets and bacon and with the cold weather I'm dying for a Starbucks Chai tea with soy. LOL

Thanks for all the advice. Definitely helps. Lost another pound since yesterday...yea!! I'll get there by hook or crook. Not sure what that means but sounds appropriate! ;-)

Annette

[Guest guest]

Thanks guys,

I"m sure that is what I am looking for but I get confused with all the P2, P3, P4-VLCD abbreviations.

Not sure what that means. Is P1 the loading--P2 the first set of injections, P3 the 3 weeks you are off HCG etc.

So what I"m thinking--I may eat things except carbs/sugars for the next 3 weeks but limit quantity and keep exercising and see what happens. Hopefully I can maintain my weight and even continue to lose.

But I understand what you are saying. Without doing the strict protocol I'm just basically dieting on my own. Not resetting metabolism at all.

If I completely screw all this up--can I wait the three weeks and just start again?

Also is cheese or soy milk considered a carb or sugar? I could live on cheese omelets and bacon and with the cold weather I'm dying for a Starbucks Chai tea with soy. LOL

Thanks for all the advice. Definitely helps. Lost another pound since yesterday...yea!! I'll get there by hook or crook. Not sure what that means but sounds appropriate! ;-)

Annette

[Guest guest]

Hi Annette.

First the phases, etc....But... you will need to wait the entire 6 weeks before

starting a new round, not simply 3 weeks, sorry.

Phase

1 (P1): This is from KT's book and is a cleansing phase, many don’t do it

because it was not part of the Dr. Simeon’s protocol.

Phase

2 (P2): This is when you are taking the HCG < including the 2 loading

days> and then following the 500 calorie diet. This is also referred to as

VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diet or Days)

Phase

3 (P3): This is also called the syabilization phase. This is the 3 weeks

after taking the HCG where you can eat whatever you like with the exception of sugar

and starch

Phase

4: (P4): This is the 3 weeks < in round 1> following P3 where you SLOWLY

re-introduce the sugar and starch back in. This can be as long as you want and

doesn’t have

to be limited to 3 weeks. That is just the minimum and as you do more rounds

this time frame becomes increasingly longer to stave off immunity.

Now..... Here

is a *Bunch* of stuff from my files, contributions from others, etc that

help when moving to P3, P4. I hope some of this helps you~

This

is basically a compilation of things I've saved for more than a year before

ever starting the HCG protocol for the first time. Some of these are my

experiences, some are from others that helped me along the way. Some things are

articles to get you thinking and to re-think the way you think about food, fats,

etc. These things helped me tremendously and I stabilized perfectly in P3. But

please note!! As with anything... everyone is different and what works well for

some might not for others. P3 & P3 are pretty much personal journeys.

finding out what works for your body and what doesn't. but there are a few *rules*

that will help along the way.

This

is LONG! I'd suggest saving it to your own PC and just refer back to it as you

need it.

First....

you need to lose the *diet* mind-set from P2 and realize that fat is not

something to be avoided. Lots of research has gone into this subject. Below are

just some of the posts/links/files, etc that I have saved to my pc over the

last few months. Take the time to check it out and be an informed eater.

" There

is a book that everyone should take a look at its called " The Fats That

Heal & The Fats That Kill " What most people fail to also recognize is

that every cell in the human body has what's called a phospholipid layer better

known as fat. If we are eating the worst fats on the planet, what type of cells

are we recreating? Most people who have elevated cholesterol don't get it from

eating to much fat they get it from to much sugar from processed foods. To put

it simply when the sugar passes through the liver it comes out as Triglycerides

or cholesterol. Think back to the early to mid 80's when everything was fat

free. People didn't get more fit or healthier we as a nation got FATTER &

SICKER. "

"

We are NOT talking about the unhealthy fats, which contrary to what you've been

taught, is NOT saturated fat, but rather most vegetable oils and hydrogenated

fats.

http://www.westonaprice.org/Know-Your-Fats/

http://www.westonaprice.org/The-Skinny-on-Fats.html

Fat

has been demonized, but the truth is that it's just not true. Saturated fat is necessary

to the body for many tasks. Without it, your body can't make hormones properly.

Your

immune system doesn't function as well.

http://tinyurl.com/bigfatlie

"

What is

considered *high fat* by the mainstream these days was simply normal fat

when Simeons wrote P & I. Consider this study:

Harvard

School of Public Health reported that when we were eating 45% fat, 13% were

obese and less than 1% had diabetes. Reducing the fat to 33% resulted in 34%

obesity rates and 8% diabetes incidence. Do you think that’s a coincidence? I

don’t. http://tinyurl.com/PerCentFat

Eating low

fat on P3 is the fastest way I know to gain back most of what you lost in

P2. Fat is NOT the enemy, folks, unless combined with starch or sugar. In the

absence of starch and sugar, it is biochemically IMPOSSIBLE to gain weight from

eating fat. In fact, it is not possible to take dietary fats directly into

fat cell storage. They must be changed to fatty acids in order to be

stored, and that requires the presence of excess insulin, which is only

secreted when you eat sugar or starches. Please view and listen closely to this

lecture on how the body stores fat, given at Dartmouth on Medical

Grand Rounds: http://tinyurl.com/Taubes

Dr

Simeons even mentioned in P & I that not eating enough can cause

problems:

" The

other trouble which is frequently encountered immediately after treatment is

again due to over-enthusiasm. Some patients cannot believe that they

can eat fairly normally without regaining weight. They disregard the advice to

eat anything they please except sugar and starch and want to play safe. They

try more or less to continue the 500-Calorie diet on which they felt so well

during treatment and make only minor variations, such as replacing the meat

with an egg, cheese, or a glass of milk. To their horror they find that in

spite of this bravura, their weight goes up. So, following instructions,

they skip one meager lunch and at night eat only a little salad and drink a pot

of unsweetened tea, becoming increasingly hungry and weak. The next morning

they find that they have increased yet another pound. They feel terrible, and

even the dreaded swelling of their ankles is back. Normally we check our

patients one week after they have been eating freely, but these cases return in

a few days. Either their eyes are filled with tears or they angrily imply that

when we told them to eat normally we were just fooling them.”

Here too, the

explanation is quite simple. During treatment the patient has been only just

above the verge of protein deficiency and has had the advantage of protein

being fed back into his system from the breakdown of fatty tissue. Once the

treatment is over there is no more HCG in the body and this process no longer

takes place. Unless an adequate amount of protein is eaten as soon as the

treatment is over, protein deficiency is bound to develop, and this inevitably

causes the marked retention of water known as hunger- edema.

The

patient is told to eat two eggs for breakfast and a huge steak for lunch and

dinner followed by a large helping of cheese and to phone through the weight

the next morning. When these instructions are followed a stunned voice is heard

to report that two lbs. have vanished overnight, that the ankles are normal but

that sleep was disturbed, owing to an extraordinary need to pass large quantities

of water. The patient having learned this lesson usually has no further

trouble.”

I've seen too many gain at

the beginning of P3 for just this reason of not eating enough.

The most

common mistake in P3 is not eating enough. While on the hcg your body is

burning up close to 4000 calories so you don’t want to restrict it when you

come off. You can find how much calories you should be eating and use

that as a guideline. Try to eat often but not overeat. Here is a

link for a calorie calculator:

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_6_1x_Calorie_Calculator.asp

Here's a

couple Blogs with recipe/menu ideas. *Most* would be great for P3 but

you need to check for ingredients and remember the *no starch no sugar*

rule.

This

first one is meat based and very low carb. (She has some

great links.)

Here

is the recipe index post.

http://girlgoneprimal.blogspot.com/2010/01/recipe-index-post.html

Here's

another site.....

http://healthyindulgences.blogspot.com/

Here's

another great blog for recipes;

http://www.cleochatra.blogspot.com/

***Recipes

marked with an *I* are good for P3***

**********************************************************

Do

*NOT* continue the 500 calorie diet after HCG is out of your system

even if you have more weight to lose. As attractive as that might sound, you

will become weak and tired, and your body will begin to go into 'starvation'

mode and it will attempt to hold on to its fat stores for self preservation.

This will undo all the progress you made in P 2. Your weight will go up and

down and perhaps fluctuate wildly the first week or so! This is normal. Which

is why Dr. S set P3 for 3 solid weeks and why you should NOT try to cut it or

P4 short!!

Do

a steak day if need be. Your weight will eventually stabilize. Read

labels and stay away from added sugars and starches. Be careful, many are

hidden. Or better yet, eat real, whole unprocessed foods! Eat whatever you

want, without starch or sugar, during P3. Make sure you eat enough! Continue to

drink plenty of water as you did in P2.

Avoid

higher sugar/starch veggies such as Corn, Beets, Potatoes, Squash, Peas,

Carrots, etc.

Avoid

higher sugar fruits such as, Grapes , bananas, dried fruit, pineapple, Kiwi,

Tangerines, Mango, papaya, oranges <for some people>.

*MOST*

meats are fine but avoid bacon and other cured meats with added sugars. Skip

cold-cuts. Full of Nitrates, etc.

Eggs

are almost the perfect food! right balance between protein and fats.

Stick

to *whole* real cheeses. Don't get the processed, pre-shredded/grated as

they contain added starches and preservations that help keep them from

clumping.

****************************************

Here's a

couple sites that calculate protein requirements...

http://www.healthcalculators.org/calculators/protein.asp

http://www.indoorclimbing.com/Protein_Requirement.html

Here are some

calorie calculator sites < there are MANY more>

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_6_1x_Calorie_Calculator.asp

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/

I like to

plug my info into a couple/few different ones and average them out as the

different calculators seem to vary quite a bit sometimes.

Here's a good

site to find out the *starch content* in different foods. I found it

very helpful in making food choices in P3. Based on this, I pretty much stayed

away from nuts until P4 with a few rare exceptions.

http://www.kickas.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat & Number=143543

***********************************

If you find you need *correction

days* in P3 because you are over the 2 lb. guideline, and steak days just

aren't effective for you at times, here's a great little E-Book that has

different correction days in it.

You

can get it here; http://www.happilythinnerafter.com/

*******************************************************

Before

we get to sample menus that I or others ate on P3, here's a compilation of tips

that *many* <not all> found helpful in stabilizing. Please note

that what works for some, does NOT work for everyone!

If

you want something that *may* make you gain, eat it early in the day.

High

fat nuts are easier (macadamia nuts are amazing) to stabilize.

Peanuts

are not nuts, they are legumes and are starchy!

You

can work out on p3, but go easy and ease into it.

Add

things in one at a time so you know what makes you gain and can correct

quickly.

Drinking

a minimum of 2.5 liters of water.

Drinking

green tea.

Taking

digestive enzymes with every meal.

Taking

probiotics.

Chewing

food thoroughly and slowly.

Getting

enough sleep.

Eating

a little bit of something every few hours as opposed to 3 meals a day.

Drinking

coffee

Walking

30 minutes a day.

Relaxation.

Stress tends to make some gain some weight, and gaining weight stresses you

out. Vicious circle.

Drinking

a glass of red wine.

Taking

WOBENZYM

Taking

other supplements such as, omega 3, vitamin e, and potassium, Candida G.

Go

easy with the dairy in the beginning. Butter is ok, cream cheese should

be ok, full fat cream, etc but be careful with milk and cottage cheese.

Causes a lot of people to gain < natural or added sugars>. Add one

a day, to see how that affects you.

If

you get close to a steak day, try and have a day where you eat two eggs for

breakfast, chicken with mayo and lettuce for lunch, and a big serving of

protein for dinner. That may help stave off a traditional steak day.

I've

found that eating a dinner high in protein with fat and only a salad on the

side helped me stabilize. Eat more adventurously through the day and eat only

that type of foods later for dinner.

Things

that made *some* gain: More than 1-2 servings of cheese a day, peanuts,

peanut butter, chicken with the skin on/bone in, green beans, ranch dressing,

too much dairy in general, sugar-free dark chocolate.

Things

that did NOT make *some* gain: high fat nuts, lots of fat, flavored

coffee, strawberries, apples, blueberries, raspberries, full fat cream.

********************************************************

Some

samples of foods eaten per day...

I

eat bacon and eggs for breakfast. I usually fry my eggs in butter. Usually 2

eggs, 3 strips bacon and then a small bowl of berries and cream.

For

lunch when I'm in a hurry, I do quite frequently have a protein shake but along

with it, I will add full fat cream and berries to it, and also usually have a

hardboiled egg & perhaps a baby-bell cheese wheel. Love those!!

For

a snack, it's sometimes guacamole with veggies, some cheese, hardboiled egg,

once in a great while a few macadamia nuts.

I

like my meat! :0) So dinner is usually a steak, or pork chop, or hamburger

steak or a nice tuna steak, a veggie, lots of time it's asparagus, sometimes

mock-mashed potatoes < cauliflower, garlic, cream> a nice salad with

homemade Caesar salad dressing.

A

later night snack is often more berries with cream.

Other

days...

Scrambled

eggs < crazy eggs> with cheese, peppers, onion, salsa, mushrooms, etc

with sausage or bacon.

No

sugar Protein Shakes

Salads

with chicken, avocado and blue cheese, , shrimp, etc.

Grilled

Chicken Breast, Hamburger patty with lettuce/tomato/cheese/no bun

Steak

Halibut

Salmon

Shrimp

cooked in coconut oil and garlic.

Others......

A bowl

of berries covered in heavy cream with vanilla cream stevia to sweeten. Omelet with

2 or 3 eggs, about a tbls of cream added to eggs, cheese, 1 c spinach and

onion. Bacon.

Chicken,

chicken salad or tuna salad or something along those lines, a piece of cheese

and some tomato, I eat some nuts for a snack usually macadamia nuts or cheese

& apples.

Dinner =

meat of choice, veggie, salad with dressing and cheese and avocado.

Sometimes I will eat an avocado for a snack.

********************************

Here's a

quick, easy, tasty bread recipe for P3. *Some* may have a problem with flax

and almond flour so go easy but most don't. Works with Flax Seed Meal

instead of Almond flour. Makes great toast with butter!!

Coffee

cup Bread

Makes

1-2 Servings

Prep

time: 3 minutes

Cook

time: 2 minutes

Ingredients

1/4

cup Almond flour

1/2

tsp baking powder

1

packet of powdered Stevia

1

teaspoon cinnamon

1

egg

1

tsp butter

1.

Mix all dry ingredients in a straight-sided coffee mug. I use a small

whisk to mix.

2.

Add the egg and butter. Beat until smooth.

3.

Microwave for 1-2 minutes until done. It takes 2 minutes in my microwave,

because its small.

4.

Allow to cool slightly. Dump it out of the cup and slice

I hope this

helps some of you have an easier, less stressful time in P3!

Best of luck~

Terri Randall

Creature Comforts

Sheridan, WY.

www.GotPaws.net

APS List Owner

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Annette Farrell

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] question

Thanks guys,

I " m sure that is what I am looking for but I get confused

with all the P2, P3, P4-VLCD abbreviations.

Not sure what that means. Is P1 the loading--P2 the first set of

injections, P3 the 3 weeks you are off HCG etc.

So what I " m thinking--I may eat things except carbs/sugars

for the next 3 weeks but limit quantity and keep exercising and see what

happens. Hopefully I can maintain my weight and even continue to lose.

But I understand what you are saying. Without doing the strict

protocol I'm just basically dieting on my own. Not resetting metabolism at all.

If I completely screw all this up--can I wait the three weeks and

just start again?

Also is cheese or soy milk considered a carb or sugar? I

could live on cheese omelets and bacon and with the cold weather I'm dying for

a Starbucks Chai tea with soy. LOL

Thanks for all the advice.

Definitely helps. Lost another pound since yesterday...yea!! I'll get there by

hook or crook. Not sure what that means but sounds appropriate! ;-)

Annette

[Guest guest]

Terri...I am soon going into P3 and this is an icredibly helpful post, thank

you.

Alice

>

> Hi Annette. First the phases, etc....But... you will need to wait the entire

> 6 weeks before starting a new round, not simply 3 weeks, sorry.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Phase 1 (P1): This is from KT's book and is a cleansing phase, many don't

> do it because it was not part of the Dr. Simeon's protocol.

>

>

>

> Phase 2 (P2): This is when you are taking the HCG < including the 2 loading

> days> and then following the 500 calorie diet. This is also referred to as

> VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diet or Days)

>

>

>

> Phase 3 (P3): This is also called the syabilization phase. This is the 3

> weeks after taking the HCG where you can eat whatever you like with the

> exception of sugar and starch

>

>

>

> Phase 4: (P4): This is the 3 weeks < in round 1> following P3 where you

> SLOWLY re-introduce the sugar and starch back in. This can be as long as

> you want and doesn't have

>

>

>

> to be limited to 3 weeks. That is just the minimum

> and as you do more rounds this time frame becomes increasingly longer to

> stave off immunity.

>

>

>

>

>

> Now..... Here is a *Bunch* of stuff from my files, contributions from

> others, etc that help when moving to P3, P4. I hope some of this helps you~

>

>

>

>

>

> This is basically a compilation of things I've saved for more than a year

> before ever starting the HCG protocol for the first time. Some of these are

> my experiences, some are from others that helped me along the way. Some

> things are articles to get you thinking and to re-think the way you think

> about food, fats, etc. These things helped me tremendously and I stabilized

> perfectly in P3. But please note!! As with anything... everyone is different

> and what works well for some might not for others. P3 & P3 are pretty much

> personal journeys. finding out what works for your body and what doesn't.

> but there are a few *rules* that will help along the way.

>

>

>

> This is LONG! I'd suggest saving it to your own PC and just refer back to it

> as you need it.

>

>

>

>

>

> First.... you need to lose the *diet* mind-set from P2 and realize that fat

> is not something to be avoided. Lots of research has gone into this subject.

> Below are just some of the posts/links/files, etc that I have saved to my pc

> over the last few months. Take the time to check it out and be an informed

> eater.

>

>

>

> " There is a book that everyone should take a look at its called " The Fats

> That Heal & The Fats That Kill " What most people fail to also recognize is

> that every cell in the human body has what's called a phospholipid layer

> better known as fat. If we are eating the worst fats on the planet, what

> type of cells are we recreating? Most people who have elevated cholesterol

> don't get it from eating to much fat they get it from to much sugar from

> processed foods. To put it simply when the sugar passes through the liver it

> comes out as Triglycerides or cholesterol. Think back to the early to mid

> 80's when everything was fat free. People didn't get more fit or healthier

> we as a nation got FATTER & SICKER. "

>

>

>

> " We are NOT talking about the unhealthy fats, which contrary to what you've

> been taught, is NOT saturated fat, but rather most vegetable oils and

> hydrogenated fats.

>

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/Know-Your-Fats/>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/Know-Your-Fats/

>

>

>

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/The-Skinny-on-Fats.html>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/The-Skinny-on-Fats.html

>

>

>

> Fat has been demonized, but the truth is that it's just not true. Saturated

> fat is necessary to the body for many tasks. Without it, your body can't

> make hormones properly.

>

> Your immune system doesn't function as well.

>

> <http://tinyurl.com/bigfatlie> http://tinyurl.com/bigfatlie "

>

>

>

>

>

> What is considered *high fat* by the mainstream these days was simply normal

> fat when Simeons wrote P & I. Consider this study:

>

> Harvard School of Public Health reported that when we were eating 45% fat,

> 13% were obese and less than 1% had diabetes. Reducing the fat to 33%

> resulted in 34% obesity rates and 8% diabetes incidence. Do you think that's

> a coincidence? I don't. <http://tinyurl.com/PerCentFat>

> http://tinyurl.com/PerCentFat

>

>

>

> Eating low fat on P3 is the fastest way I know to gain back most of what you

> lost in P2. Fat is NOT the enemy, folks, unless combined with starch or

> sugar. In the absence of starch and sugar, it is biochemically IMPOSSIBLE to

> gain weight from eating fat. In fact, it is not possible to take dietary

> fats directly into fat cell storage. They must be changed to fatty acids in

> order to be stored, and that requires the presence of excess insulin, which

> is only secreted when you eat sugar or starches. Please view and listen

> closely to this lecture on how the body stores fat, given at Dartmouth on

> Medical Grand Rounds: <http://tinyurl.com/Taubes>

> http://tinyurl.com/Taubes

>

>

>

>

>

> Dr Simeons even mentioned in P & I that not eating enough can cause

> problems:

>

>

>

> " The other trouble which is frequently encountered immediately after

> treatment is again due to over-enthusiasm. Some patients cannot believe

> that they can eat fairly normally without regaining weight. They disregard

> the advice to eat anything they please except sugar and starch and want to

> play safe. They try more or less to continue the 500-Calorie diet on which

> they felt so well during treatment and make only minor variations, such as

> replacing the meat with an egg, cheese, or a glass of milk. To their horror

> they find that in spite of this bravura, their weight goes up. So, following

> instructions, they skip one meager lunch and at night eat only a little

> salad and drink a pot of unsweetened tea, becoming increasingly hungry and

> weak. The next morning they find that they have increased yet another pound.

> They feel terrible, and even the dreaded swelling of their ankles is back.

> Normally we check our patients one week after they have been eating freely,

> but these cases return in a few days. Either their eyes are filled with

> tears or they angrily imply that when we told them to eat normally we were

> just fooling them. "

>

>

>

> Here too, the explanation is quite simple. During treatment the patient has

> been only just above the verge of protein deficiency and has had the

> advantage of protein being fed back into his system from the breakdown of

> fatty tissue. Once the treatment is over there is no more HCG in the body

> and this process no longer takes place. Unless an adequate amount of protein

> is eaten as soon as the treatment is over, protein deficiency is bound to

> develop, and this inevitably causes the marked retention of water known as

> hunger- edema.

>

>

>

> The patient is told to eat two eggs for breakfast and a huge steak for

> lunch and dinner followed by a large helping of cheese and to phone through

> the weight the next morning. When these instructions are followed a stunned

> voice is heard to report that two lbs. have vanished overnight, that the

> ankles are normal but that sleep was disturbed, owing to an extraordinary

> need to pass large quantities of water. The patient having learned this

> lesson usually has no further trouble. "

>

>

>

> I've seen too many gain at the beginning of P3 for just this reason of not

> eating enough.

>

>

>

> The most common mistake in P3 is not eating enough. While on the hcg your

> body is burning up close to 4000 calories so you don't want to restrict it

> when you come off. You can find how much calories you should be eating and

> use that as a guideline. Try to eat often but not overeat. Here is a link

> for a calorie calculator:

>

>

>

> <http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_6_1x_Calorie_Calculator.asp>

> http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_6_1x_Calorie_Calculator.asp

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Here's a couple Blogs with recipe/menu ideas. *Most* would be great for P3

> but you need to check for ingredients and remember the *no starch no sugar*

> rule.

>

>

>

>

>

> This first one is meat based and very low carb. (She has some great

> links.)

>

> Here is the recipe index post.

>

> <http://girlgoneprimal.blogspot.com/2010/01/recipe-index-post.html>

> http://girlgoneprimal.blogspot.com/2010/01/recipe-index-post.html

>

>

>

> Here's another site.....

>

>

>

> <http://healthyindulgences.blogspot.com/>

> http://healthyindulgences.blogspot.com/

>

>

>

>

>

> Here's another great blog for recipes;

>

>

>

> http://www.cleochatra.blogspot.com/

>

>

>

> ***Recipes marked with an *I* are good for P3***

>

>

>

> **********************************************************

>

> Do *NOT* continue the 500 calorie diet after HCG is out of your system even

> if you have more weight to lose. As attractive as that might sound, you will

> become weak and tired, and your body will begin to go into 'starvation' mode

> and it will attempt to hold on to its fat stores for self preservation. This

> will undo all the progress you made in P 2. Your weight will go up and down

> and perhaps fluctuate wildly the first week or so! This is normal. Which is

> why Dr. S set P3 for 3 solid weeks and why you should NOT try to cut it or

> P4 short!!

>

> Do a steak day if need be. Your weight will eventually stabilize. Read

> labels and stay away from added sugars and starches. Be careful, many are

> hidden. Or better yet, eat real, whole unprocessed foods! Eat whatever you

> want, without starch or sugar, during P3. Make sure you eat enough! Continue

> to drink plenty of water as you did in P2.

>

> Avoid higher sugar/starch veggies such as Corn, Beets, Potatoes, Squash,

> Peas, Carrots, etc.

>

> Avoid higher sugar fruits such as, Grapes , bananas, dried fruit, pineapple,

> Kiwi, Tangerines, Mango, papaya, oranges <for some people>.

>

> *MOST* meats are fine but avoid bacon and other cured meats with added

> sugars. Skip cold-cuts. Full of Nitrates, etc.

>

> Eggs are almost the perfect food! right balance between protein and fats.

>

> Stick to *whole* real cheeses. Don't get the processed, pre-shredded/grated

> as they contain added starches and preservations that help keep them from

> clumping.

>

> ****************************************

>

> Here's a couple sites that calculate protein requirements...

>

>

>

> <http://www.healthcalculators.org/calculators/protein.asp>

> http://www.healthcalculators.org/calculators/protein.asp

>

> <http://www.indoorclimbing.com/Protein_Requirement.html>

> http://www.indoorclimbing.com/Protein_Requirement.html

>

>

>

>

>

> Here are some calorie calculator sites < there are MANY more>

>

>

>

> <http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_6_1x_Calorie_Calculator.asp>

> http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_6_1x_Calorie_Calculator.asp

>

>

>

>

>

> <http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/>

> http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/

>

>

>

> I like to plug my info into a couple/few different ones and average them out

> as the different calculators seem to vary quite a bit sometimes.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Here's a good site to find out the *starch content* in different foods. I

> found it very helpful in making food choices in P3. Based on this, I pretty

> much stayed away from nuts until P4 with a few rare exceptions.

>

>

>

>

> <http://www.kickas.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat & Number=143543>

> http://www.kickas.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat & Number=143543

>

>

>

> ***********************************

>

>

>

> If you find you need *correction days* in P3 because you are over the 2 lb.

> guideline, and steak days just aren't effective for you at times, here's a

> great little E-Book that has different correction days in it.

>

> You can get it here; <http://www.happilythinnerafter.com/>

> http://www.happilythinnerafter.com/

>

>

>

> *******************************************************

>

>

>

> Before we get to sample menus that I or others ate on P3, here's a

> compilation of tips that *many* <not all> found helpful in stabilizing.

> Please note that what works for some, does NOT work for everyone!

>

>

>

> If you want something that *may* make you gain, eat it early in the day.

>

>

>

> High fat nuts are easier (macadamia nuts are amazing) to stabilize.

>

>

>

> Peanuts are not nuts, they are legumes and are starchy!

>

>

>

> You can work out on p3, but go easy and ease into it.

>

>

>

> Add things in one at a time so you know what makes you gain and can correct

> quickly.

>

>

>

> Drinking a minimum of 2.5 liters of water.

>

>

>

> Drinking green tea.

>

>

>

> Taking digestive enzymes with every meal.

>

>

>

> Taking probiotics.

>

>

>

> Chewing food thoroughly and slowly.

>

>

>

> Getting enough sleep.

>

>

>

> Eating a little bit of something every few hours as opposed to 3 meals a

> day.

>

>

>

> Drinking coffee

>

>

>

> Walking 30 minutes a day.

>

>

>

> Relaxation. Stress tends to make some gain some weight, and gaining weight

> stresses you out. Vicious circle.

>

>

>

> Drinking a glass of red wine.

>

>

>

> Taking WOBENZYM

>

>

>

> Taking other supplements such as, omega 3, vitamin e, and potassium, Candida

> G.

>

>

>

> Go easy with the dairy in the beginning. Butter is ok, cream cheese should

> be ok, full fat cream, etc but be careful with milk and cottage cheese.

> Causes a lot of people to gain < natural or added sugars>. Add one a day,

> to see how that affects you.

>

>

>

> If you get close to a steak day, try and have a day where you eat two eggs

> for breakfast, chicken with mayo and lettuce for lunch, and a big serving of

> protein for dinner. That may help stave off a traditional steak day.

>

>

>

> I've found that eating a dinner high in protein with fat and only a salad on

> the side helped me stabilize. Eat more adventurously through the day and eat

> only that type of foods later for dinner.

>

>

>

> Things that made *some* gain: More than 1-2 servings of cheese a day,

> peanuts, peanut butter, chicken with the skin on/bone in, green beans, ranch

> dressing, too much dairy in general, sugar-free dark chocolate.

>

>

>

> Things that did NOT make *some* gain: high fat nuts, lots of fat, flavored

> coffee, strawberries, apples, blueberries, raspberries, full fat cream.

>

>

>

> ********************************************************

>

>

>

> Some samples of foods eaten per day...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I eat bacon and eggs for breakfast. I usually fry my eggs in butter. Usually

> 2 eggs, 3 strips bacon and then a small bowl of berries and cream.

>

>

>

> For lunch when I'm in a hurry, I do quite frequently have a protein shake

> but along with it, I will add full fat cream and berries to it, and also

> usually have a hardboiled egg & perhaps a baby-bell cheese wheel. Love

> those!!

>

>

>

> For a snack, it's sometimes guacamole with veggies, some cheese, hardboiled

> egg, once in a great while a few macadamia nuts.

>

>

>

> I like my meat! :0) So dinner is usually a steak, or pork chop, or hamburger

> steak or a nice tuna steak, a veggie, lots of time it's asparagus, sometimes

> mock-mashed potatoes < cauliflower, garlic, cream> a nice salad with

> homemade Caesar salad dressing.

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>

>

> A later night snack is often more berries with cream.

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> Other days...

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>

>

> Scrambled eggs < crazy eggs> with cheese, peppers, onion, salsa, mushrooms,

> etc with sausage or bacon.

>

> No sugar Protein Shakes

>

> Salads with chicken, avocado and blue cheese, , shrimp, etc.

>

>

>

> Grilled Chicken Breast, Hamburger patty with lettuce/tomato/cheese/no bun

>

> Steak

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> Halibut

>

> Salmon

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> Shrimp cooked in coconut oil and garlic.

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> Others......

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>

>

> A bowl of berries covered in heavy cream with vanilla cream stevia to

> sweeten. Omelet with 2 or 3 eggs, about a tbls of cream added to eggs,

> cheese, 1 c spinach and onion. Bacon.

>

>

>

> Chicken, chicken salad or tuna salad or something along those lines, a piece

> of cheese and some tomato, I eat some nuts for a snack usually macadamia

> nuts or cheese & apples.

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>

>

> Dinner = meat of choice, veggie, salad with dressing and cheese and

> avocado. Sometimes I will eat an avocado for a snack.

>

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>

>

> Here's a quick, easy, tasty bread recipe for P3. *Some* may have a problem

> with flax and almond flour so go easy but most don't. Works with Flax Seed

> Meal instead of Almond flour. Makes great toast with butter!!

>

>

>

> Coffee cup Bread

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>

>

> Makes 1-2 Servings

>

> Prep time: 3 minutes

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> Cook time: 2 minutes

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>

>

> Ingredients

>

> 1/4 cup Almond flour

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> 1/2 tsp baking powder

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> 1 packet of powdered Stevia

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> 1 teaspoon cinnamon

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> 1 egg

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> 1 tsp butter

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>

>

> 1. Mix all dry ingredients in a straight-sided coffee mug. I use a small

> whisk to mix.

>

> 2. Add the egg and butter. Beat until smooth.

>

> 3. Microwave for 1-2 minutes until done. It takes 2 minutes in my

> microwave, because its small.

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> 4. Allow to cool slightly. Dump it out of the cup and slice

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>

> I hope this helps some of you have an easier, less stressful time in P3!

>

> Best of luck~

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>

>

> Terri Randall

>

> Creature Comforts

>

> Sheridan, WY.

>

> www.GotPaws.net

>

> APS List Owner

>

>

>

> From: [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of Annette Farrell

> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:02 AM

>

> Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] question

>

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>

>

> Thanks guys,

>

> I " m sure that is what I am looking for but I get confused with all the P2,

> P3, P4-VLCD abbreviations.

>

>

>

> Not sure what that means. Is P1 the loading--P2 the first set of injections,

> P3 the 3 weeks you are off HCG etc.

>

>

>

> So what I " m thinking--I may eat things except carbs/sugars for the next 3

> weeks but limit quantity and keep exercising and see what happens. Hopefully

> I can maintain my weight and even continue to lose.

>

>

>

> But I understand what you are saying. Without doing the strict protocol I'm

> just basically dieting on my own. Not resetting metabolism at all.

>

>

>

> If I completely screw all this up--can I wait the three weeks and just start

> again?

>

>

>

> Also is cheese or soy milk considered a carb or sugar? I could live on

> cheese omelets and bacon and with the cold weather I'm dying for a Starbucks

> Chai tea with soy. LOL

>

>

>

> Thanks for all the advice. Definitely helps. Lost another pound since

> yesterday...yea!! I'll get there by hook or crook. Not sure what that means

> but sounds appropriate! ;-)

>

> Annette

>

[Guest guest]

What is it that makes them gain their weight back? When they reach the stabilization phase, are they eating things they aren't supposed to or is it anything new?

From: Terri Randall <randall@...> Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 12:05:45 AMSubject: RE: [Norton AntiSpam] question

Sorry.... had some typos.

The honest truth is, it may be very difficult and even impossible for you to stabilize in P2. Sorry. Not trying to burst your bubble or anything. I'm just telling you what many people report that also * fell off protocol from time to time*. It's possible you can dodge the bullet but not likely. Even a lifetime, nutritional coach who has now done 4 rounds swears that the reason 2 of her rounds failed was because she did little cheats from time to time, added things, ate off protocol, etc. She continued to lose weight and thought she beat the protocol but once she hit P3 & P4 she could not stabilize or maintain and she gained all her weight back. She has since done two more rounds and done them perfectly clean and she stabilized and is maintaining and doing very well. She's smaller now than she has been her entire life.

She is now taking all kinds of nutritional courses, etc to further her education and to try and help others realize the importance of the protocol and doing it clean.

Her name is Vicky R. and she has a wonderful <free> web site at; www.hcgloss.com with a lot of helpful suggestions, tips, recipes, etc. all for free. She only charges a fee if you want one on one private help. Otherwise, everything she has to offer is free. She knows a lot about the protocol and is very helpful.

Good luck Annette~

Terri Randall

Creature Comforts

Sheridan, WY.

www.GotPaws.net

APS List Owner

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Annette FarrellSent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:20 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] question

Hi guys,

I have a few more days of injections and then I"m done with the 41 day cycle. I have lost 18 pounds so that is great.

I have struggled the past few weeks--don't want lectures. There is a reason we are over weight and there are always under lying circumstances on why we eat like we do and I am trying to deal with my issues. But I have stayed as close to the diet as possible and when I "fall off" I get back on. I have also started exercising which is a good thing because I never felt like exercising before.

My question is---since I have not been strictly on diet--if I do the 3 weeks of no sugars/starches will it still work or have I totally screwed the whole thing up? I don't want to start eating anything but sugars/starches and start putting weight on. If I have screwed up I"d like to at least watch what I eat, exercise for the next 3 weeks then consider doing the next course.

Has anyone had to deal with this?

BTW--have just been doing this on my own. No dr--a friend bought 2 cycles and decided to only do 1 cycle and gave me his supply. That is why I joined group--I figure there are different people on here who may have similar circumstances

Thanks!

Annette

[Guest guest]

My pleasure Alice~ Glad I could help. Good luck in P3 & beyond!

Terri Randall

Re: [Norton AntiSpam] question

Terri...I am soon going into P3 and this is an icredibly helpful post, thank

you.

Alice

[Guest guest]

My pleasure Kim~ Good luck!

Terri Randall

Creature Comforts

Sheridan, WY.

www.GotPaws.net

APS List Owner

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of kimmichel@...

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:24 AM

Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] question

Thanks, Terri! That was all wonderful information.

Kim