Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 congrats on passing your tests. you studied hard and it paid off kassia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Glad to see you're back and passed all you're tests!!! Woo-Hoo!!! I've really missed seeing your e-mails. I can't wait to hear more about the new shows. :-) Robin > Hey all, sorry I seem to have dropped the ball when it comes to > keeping up with email lately. I'm beginning to think I'll never > catch up, so I'm just going to start fresh today. I'm finally > through with prep for my test(I passed!!! whoohooo) and I start > taping on the 24th for the show, so now it is just the preplanning, > most of which is done. I've done a couple of updates to the site > (www.trainingwithtonya.com) since I found out when the show will be > on the schedule. I'll let you all know how the tapings go. > > In the meantime, I'm trying to get back to my exercise routine so > that I can be prepared for recording 6 shows in one day. (I'm gonna > be soooo sore!) I'm starting today with the weight training shows > I'm going to do. I'm doing the first workout of Leaner Legs, Chest > and Back, and Shoulders and Arms this afternoon, all with light > weights because I'm building up to 6 shows in a day so it is more > endurance training then muscle building training. Tomorrow is > FitBall and Pilates. Then it's kind of a repeat every other day this > week. I'm planning to increase next week, but I haven't designed it > yet. > > Anyway, gotta go to make it to the dentist in 20 minutes, but I'll > check in later today and read more email! > > Tonya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 there you are tonya!!! i am so happy for you in getting through your test!! way to go!!! i cant wait to hear all about your tapings. you must be so excited!! :*carolyn. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 267.5.1 - Release Date: 6/02/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 Hi docs, I remember a time in the dark ages shortly after I graduated and was licensed, (boy it was hard to hang that stone tablet on the cave wall!) that a member of my class was disciplined by the OBCE for putting "Chiropractic Medicine" on his letterhead. Has that changed? I thought the practice of medicine involved the dispensing or prescribing of substances called medicines. What kind of bottle does one use to contain chiropractic medicine? I think chiropractic physician fits what D.D. was seeking but chiropractic medicine (even with a spoonful of sugar) is a little hard to swallow. Rick (Nitpicker) Balsiger, D.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 , Welcome. Thank you for your insight. I look forward to future insights. For the most part my experience MD's are positive. As with everyone, they criticize most what they don't understand. Most MD's don't understand what we do. For that matter there are a lot of medical specialties and procedures that I am completely ignorant about. I applaud those that take a look at both sides of the fence with out self interest. Ted Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP, FICC, CSCSACA Sports Council, 2nd Vice PresidentBack In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC11385 SW Scholls Ferry RoadBeaverton, Oregon 97008 On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:25:43 -0800 & <bradandange@...> writes: Colleagues, At the general request of Sharron, I decide that I would announce that I am "listening" along with Bush, Dick Cheney, et al. After graduating from LACC, I practiced as a chiropractic physician in the Grants Pass for about 2 1/2 years beginning in the year 2000. I then left Oregon and continued on to medical school. I am now a 4th year medical student with 16 weeks left of clerkships before I graduate. I am all set to start residency at the OHSU Cascades East Family Medicine Residency program in Klamath Falls. Since, my goal has always been to return back to Southern Oregon I decided to get back on the listserve. I didn't leave chiropractic because I hated it, didn't "believe", or couldn't make it. Rather I realized the great need of primary care (vs. portal of entry) medical providers in Southern Oregon and decided I wanted to be part of the solution. Now, nearly done with medical school, I am excited to use the skills and knowledge of both professions to provide comprehensive health care to my future patients. Interestingly, and to my surprise, none of the other chiros I knew in Chiropractic school went to medical school because they hated it either. In fact, all of the chiros in medical school I knew did very well (especially if they were from LACC/National/NYCC), were student government leaders, and were well respected for their previous professional degree. At no time was chiropractic picked on, preached against, etc. Instead, some of my professors sought out my opinion and care in regards to their aches and pains. Many others were clueless about chiropractic but willing to learn. As a DC/MD in Oregon, I hope to be an advocate for the chiropractic profession in supporting evidence-based responsible chiropractic medicine by those professionals who are really trained to provide it. Anyways, I hated to be a eavesdropper, so I thought I would introduce myself. Thank you for having me! W. , D.C., MS-IV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Interesting point Rick. At my last reading of the Oregon statutes and OBCE policy we are still required to place the words " chiropractor " or " chiropractic physician " under our names on any office signage and to do so in a certain size font as compared to our names. As far as I know, the term " Chiropractic Medicine " is yet not recognized by the OBCE. But clearly this issue pertains more to our identity that just our signage. I present the following for your consideration: I. BASED ON A DEFINITION... According to dictionary.com the #1 definition of " medicine " is as follows: 1a. The science of diagnosing, treating, or preventing disease and other damage to the body or mind. 1b. The branch of this science encompassing treatment by drugs, diet, exercise, and other nonsurgical means. I would purport that chiros most definitely fulfill (or should fulfill) definition 1a and are a branch of the medical sciences by definition 2a. All too often, and by traditional means, much of today's society oddly refers only to " drugs " or " pharmaceutical drugs " as medicine. However, dictionary.com adds the following definition (emphasis and bold text added): 3. " An agent, such as a drug (BUT NOT SOLELY A DRUG), used to treat disease or injury. " Again, I would purport that manipulative therapy, physiological therapeutics, lifestyle modification, and nutritional advice fulfill that aspect of the definition of " medicine " . Finally, is it not often stated that we practice an alternative or complementary MEDICINE? II. ITS NOT ALL OUR FAULT... Yes, even an LACC/SCUHS grad can give BJ some credit. In my opinion, if it weren't for BJ and his fanaticism (maybe passion is a better word) the spark of the chiropractic profession would have been extinguished long ago. However, to save ourselves the profession voluntarily excused (bowed out) itself as a branch of medicine. In many States we even demanded to have our own board of examiners (I'm not sure of the history of the Oregon Board specifically) instead of becoming part of the OBME by which even acupuncturists are overseen. But our incomplete title is not ALL our fault. The allopathic medical profession was the main show in town (ie. the world) for so long that even the " medical " degree is the Doctor of Medicine (MD, Medicinae Doctoris in Latin). The title infers and has encompassed the broadest scope of training and practice available which, for the most part, is still available to MD's today (if they choose to accept it). Back in the days when the chiropractic profession was maturing, the AMA based on fear and a poor understanding of what I am discussing here, would have freaked out if we tried to use the title " Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine " . This still may be true, but to a lesser extent, today. Because of the bad feelings between " medicine " and " chiropractic " at that time I'm not even sure the chiropractic profession would have had any desire to use that title anyways -- BUT I would suggest that we might lean in that direction now. Either way -- outside pressure or lack of desire-- our title has been left artificially incomplete. Doctor of Chiropractic WHAT? III. What the heck is a DO anyways? Many, mostly non chiros, ask me why I didn't decide to continue on to DO school since they also perform manipulation. Since that is outside the scope of my soapbox post at this time, I won't address that much. But it brings up an interesting concept. Has anybody noticed that Doctors of Osteopathy have been popping up all over? Has anybody asked a DO about their education? From most recent DO grads, you'll hear " I went to medical school at school XYZ " . Did you catch that? Most of us would.....and its not entirely forthright. In my medical school clerkships I have been on the wards with an occasional DO resident or attending. I will be assigned some of his patients to take care of and the DO will stop by to discuss the patient with me and co-sign my notes and orders. They will also quite frequently stop in to meet and examine the patient to assure them they are being looked after by a physician and not just a student (and to assure things can be billed properly). Well it has not been infrequent that patients will ask me " When do I get to see a doctor? " I'll explain that I am a medical student and will be working closely with him or her but THEIR doctor should be coming in frequently to see them. The patients often say " No, I haven't seen a doctor since I've been here. " and continue " Some guy with a DO at the end of his name comes in every so often though. What the heck is a DO anyways? " Most DO's have heard this question over and over again and are sick of it. They have realized that the title " Doctor of Osteopathy " wasn't working and was in fact incomplete. It didn't explain what they actually did. SO, the osteopathic profession did something dramatic - they added the word MEDICINE at the end of their name. Now they are called " Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine " (DO title remains), they take boards called the " COMLEX " =College of Osteopathic MEDICAL Licensing Exams, and their schools are called " Colleges of Osteopathic MEDICINE " . There has been a dramatic change in their level of respect by the general public and even the " medical " profession itself. They now attend medical school, take medical boards, and have a medical degree. I'm not suggesting that the chiropractic profession should consider changing its name SOLELY for respect that comes inherent with the word " medicine " , but also because our current title is incomplete and not well understood by the general public. It would also signify an " extended hand " of professionalism to our medical colleagues (MD and DO). I'm also not suggesting that we follow the ENTIRE example of the osteopathic profession in this regard. Even after the change we should NOT state that we went to medical school, that we took medical boards, or that we practice medicine. While those statements wouldn't be untrue, they are deceptive. Instead we could consider adding chiropractic to each of those. IV. Our identity....Our Future I'm not suggesting that what we call our profession will solely dictate our identity. Nor am I suggesting that a title change will fix the identity and utilization problems the profession now faces. Finally, I'm not stating that I think we should definitely make this change at all. However, I do feel we should discuss the possible benefits and downfalls among ourselves (on and off of this forum). Despite the strong education, broad knowledge base, and great skills that chiropractic physicians posses, our image is that of DO-ERS and not THINK-ERS. In my experience patients come to us to get adjusted rather than to figure out what their problem is and THEN have it treated. By the influence of insurance companies and ignorance of the general public we have allowed ourselves to be pushed into the role of therapists (DO-ERS). We are not paid by insurance companies to think all that much. We are not paid much to diagnose complicated musculoskeletal problems. We are paid to fix things. Physical therapy has now made their entry level PT degree a doctorate degree. For years they have been paid to fix things. They seek more. They too want to think (and be called doctor). Massage Therapists have been paid to aid with massage (to do). They now seek more. Many already do manipulation even though I'm not sure they are really allowed to. Chiropractic physicians are already trained as thinkers and doers. I guess we could spend a ton of money fighting against the broadening scope of allied health professionals such as physical or massage therapists who don't have anywhere close to our level of education. But I would suggest that a better idea, and possibly a battle we could truly win, entails us changing our image to be THINKERS AND DOERS -- experts in the conditions we diagnose and treat (possibly with the option of using " drugs " if we so choose [please don't shoot me]). V. Okay, I'll shut up (aka conclusion) I apologize for the extremely long post, but I feel strongly about this very interesting point that Rick made, and the future of the profession. Chiropractic Medicine (title as justified above) has a lot to offer the general public and the health care (dare I use the word medical) field. Presently, the musculoskeletal specialists in the medical profession are orthopedic surgeons. Having studied medicine for the last 4 years I can assure you that they want to be SURGEONS, not physicians. They want to do surgery and not spend a lot of their clinic time providing non-surgical care of musculoskeletal problems. What that means is that the position of EXPERT of conservative (non-surgical) musculoskeletal diagnosis and management is VACANT. Do we want that job? We just need to say " yes " and adjust our image out of the alternative and into the medical field. It wouldn't really require change of what we do, but it might require a small change in how we think. Even if DD Palmer wouldn't approve, its obviously not the rest of the medical community which is now keeping us from using the word medicine in our titles since they themselves (at Harvard of all places I think) are the ones who coined the term complementary MEDICINE. The simple definition of the word medicine supports this addition to our titles. At one time it was necessary for us to step away from medicine or fear incarceration, but now may be the time for us to step back in. AT Still, the father of osteopathy, may be rolling over in his grave about the condition of the osteopathic medicine profession, but they have paved the way for us also to make this change. It is a matter of identity and name change or not it is about time we secure ours today and for the future (instead of allowing others to secure it). These are just some things off the top of my head. Let's discuss this further. What do you guys all think? [i hope I'm not too new on this listserve to write something like this...ha ha] W. , D.C, MS-IV On 1/27/06, RMBALSIGER@... <RMBALSIGER@...> wrote: Hi docs, I remember a time in the dark ages shortly after I graduated and was licensed, (boy it was hard to hang that stone tablet on the cave wall!) that a member of my class was disciplined by the OBCE for putting " Chiropractic Medicine " on his letterhead. Has that changed? I thought the practice of medicine involved the dispensing or prescribing of substances called medicines. What kind of bottle does one use to contain chiropractic medicine? I think chiropractic physician fits what D.D. was seeking but chiropractic medicine (even with a spoonful of sugar) is a little hard to swallow. Rick (Nitpicker) Balsiger, D.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Thansk for the post. Nice to have you and Bush ( I think ) on board. sharron fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of & Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: I'm here! Colleagues, At the general request of Sharron, I decide that I would announce that I am "listening" along with Bush, Dick Cheney, et al. After graduating from LACC, I practiced as a chiropractic physician in the Grants Pass for about 2 1/2 years beginning in the year 2000. I then left Oregon and continued on to medical school. I am now a 4th year medical student with 16 weeks left of clerkships before I graduate. I am all set to start residency at the OHSU Cascades East Family Medicine Residency program in Klamath Falls. Since, my goal has always been to return back to Southern Oregon I decided to get back on the listserve. I didn't leave chiropractic because I hated it, didn't "believe", or couldn't make it. Rather I realized the great need of primary care (vs. portal of entry) medical providers in Southern Oregon and decided I wanted to be part of the solution. Now, nearly done with medical school, I am excited to use the skills and knowledge of both professions to provide comprehensive health care to my future patients. Interestingly, and to my surprise, none of the other chiros I knew in Chiropractic school went to medical school because they hated it either. In fact, all of the chiros in medical school I knew did very well (especially if they were from LACC/National/NYCC), were student government leaders, and were well respected for their previous professional degree. At no time was chiropractic picked on, preached against, etc. Instead, some of my professors sought out my opinion and care in regards to their aches and pains. Many others were clueless about chiropractic but willing to learn. As a DC/MD in Oregon, I hope to be an advocate for the chiropractic profession in supporting evidence-based responsible chiropractic medicine by those professionals who are really trained to provide it. Anyways, I hated to be a eavesdropper, so I thought I would introduce myself. Thank you for having me! W. , D.C., MS-IV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Helllo Mike .. you are doing great. What i heard of hcg mail they are very slow i am very leery of them . I and some others orfered from drugdelivery i ordered mine yesterday. Where is Mass are you i have a brother there? take care Janice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 I ordered my hcg from hcgmail.com and I really wouldn't recommend doing it. They are WAY more expensive then the other places I've now found after the fact and they did take a while to get it here. It is a legit company and I received Pregnyl from Organon through them, but I would definitely advise finding somewhere else to save some money!! > > Hey everyone ! > > > I am just joining in. I have almost completed Phase 1 and have lost 14 > pounds, but I am looking forward to Phase 2 & 3. I have been waivering > about the Hcgmail.com and trying to get here in the US. Has anyone had > any experience with HCGmail? I live in Massachusetts and I am not sure > if there is someone who Rx's it here. Please help. > > Thanks > MIke > > PS I have some chronologial pics (weekly) that I will share. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Hello! I just went to their website. Do they give support (as stated) in any fashion, and follow the progress? Or do they just ship out the hcg?heathrod651 <heathrod651@...> wrote: I ordered my hcg from hcgmail.com and I really wouldn't recommend doing it. They are WAY more expensive then the other places I've now found after the fact and they did take a while to get it here. It is a legit company and I received Pregnyl from Organon through them, but I would definitely advise finding somewhere else to save some money!!>> Hey everyone !> > > I am just joining in. I have almost completed Phase 1 and have lost 14 > pounds, but I am looking forward to Phase 2 & 3. I have been waivering > about the Hcgmail.com and trying to get here in the US. Has anyone had > any experience with HCGmail? I live in Massachusetts and I am not sure > if there is someone who Rx's it here. Please help.> > Thanks> MIke> > PS I have some chronologial pics (weekly) that I will share.> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Auto Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Thanks - Any place that you recommend that won't a office visit and that can be trusted??heathrod651 <heathrod651@...> wrote: I ordered my hcg from hcgmail.com and I really wouldn't recommend doing it. They are WAY more expensive then the other places I've now found after the fact and they did take a while to get it here. It is a legit company and I received Pregnyl from Organon through them, but I would definitely advise finding somewhere else to save some money!!>> Hey everyone !> > > I am just joining in. I have almost completed Phase 1 and have lost 14 > pounds, but I am looking forward to Phase 2 & 3. I have been waivering > about the Hcgmail.com and trying to get here in the US. Has anyone had > any experience with HCGmail? I live in Massachusetts and I am not sure > if there is someone who Rx's it here. Please help.> > Thanks> MIke> > PS I have some chronologial pics (weekly) that I will share.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 I just ordered from drugdelivery.ca, but I haven't received the order yet so I really can't say either way with them. They are A LOT less expensive though. I received a phone call that they have billed me and the order will be shipping shortly...I just ordered last week...so far so good!! > > > > Hey everyone ! > > > > > > I am just joining in. I have almost completed Phase 1 and have > lost 14 > > pounds, but I am looking forward to Phase 2 & 3. I have been > waivering > > about the Hcgmail.com and trying to get here in the US. Has anyone > had > > any experience with HCGmail? I live in Massachusetts and I am not > sure > > if there is someone who Rx's it here. Please help. > > > > Thanks > > MIke > > > > PS I have some chronologial pics (weekly) that I will share. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 - I must have anticipated that or I am on the same page. I just ordered mine from the same group and they have already said it has been shipped! Woo Hoo! I will let you know when I get it OK? Talk to you soon. Mike from Massheathrod651 <heathrod651@...> wrote: I just ordered from drugdelivery.ca, but I haven't received the order yet so I really can't say either way with them. They are A LOT less expensive though. I received a phone call that they have billed me and the order will be shipping shortly...I just ordered last week...so far so good!!> >> > Hey everyone !> > > > > > I am just joining in. I have almost completed Phase 1 and have > lost 14 > > pounds, but I am looking forward to Phase 2 & 3. I have been > waivering > > about the Hcgmail.com and trying to get here in the US. Has anyone > had > > any experience with HCGmail? I live in Massachusetts and I am not > sure > > if there is someone who Rx's it here. Please help.> > > > Thanks> > MIke> > > > PS I have some chronologial pics (weekly) that I will share.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Best of luck to you Mike...I'm sure you'll do great!!!! > > > > > > Hey everyone ! > > > > > > > > > I am just joining in. I have almost completed Phase 1 and have > > lost 14 > > > pounds, but I am looking forward to Phase 2 & 3. I have been > > waivering > > > about the Hcgmail.com and trying to get here in the US. Has > anyone > > had > > > any experience with HCGmail? I live in Massachusetts and I am not > > sure > > > if there is someone who Rx's it here. Please help. > > > > > > Thanks > > > MIke > > > > > > PS I have some chronologial pics (weekly) that I will share. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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