Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 23-40 days with shots and VLCD then - 3 weeks in the maintainance part - eat all you want - BUT NO STARCHES OR SUGARS. Then, between then and your next protocol round - you can gradually add back in starches and sugars. Be careful though and if you gain 2 pounds - you have to immediatly have a steak day (the protocol says to skip breakfst and lunch and have the largest steak you can eat for dinner.) My friend is on her 2nd protocol and she says that she cooks up the steak in the morning and just has bites of it thru the day as she feels she needs it - the next day, she is back down to her set weight. I have had a sugar addiction all my life. There are a couple of good websites - www.happilythinnerafter.com - the moderator gave me some great advice cuz I was starving and craving too (This is my first protocol and my 16th day.) She said STOP eating the apples - they can cause some people to crave more and be hungrier. Go with the grapefruit and the strawberries. I eat the grapefruit at about 10:30 in the morning - it has a natural appetite supressor. That site also has a great chili recipe which she told me to make a large batch of it (look under FORUM - then recipes). There is also a great choc.cake recipe using egg whites and cocoa and splenda. It satisifies that sweet craving nicely. Drink lots of flavored tea's sweetened with stevia. I also upped my HcG a tiny bit - I was taking 125 iu - (.5cc's) and upped it to .65 cc's or aprox 150 iu. Between all of that, my hunger has finally subsided the past couple of days. At night, I take juice from 1/2 lemon, a hand full of strawberries, 18-22 drops of stevia and crushed ice. Put it in the blender and make a yummy slushy. I drink it an hour or so after dinner as a treat. - It also acts as a diruretic for me and I pee a bunch before bed - but that just helps the scales the next day. I also found that many people were using Walden Farms dressings, syrups, choc & caramel sauce - so I found a local store that carries them - they are calorie, carb & fat free - so they are totally legal on this diet. And they are rather yummy - choc. covered strawberries, choc. sauce over the cake recipe. They help me get thru. Hope these things help - the really helped me Jodi On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, lisamholmquist <lisamholmquist@...> wrote: Hello!I am new to HCG and have been on it for 7 days and have stuck to the diet exactly without fail! I have happily lost 9 pounds already :-)However I am hungrier than I have ever been and don't know if I am going to be able to keep control over the incredibly strong cravings that I have been having. I am going to need to do 3 or 4 runs in order to lose all of my weight but I don't know that I can be so strict for sooooooo long (including in between with the no sugar or starches. To keep myself going I had to shorten my goal and only commit to finishing this 40 day run of HCG. If I were to think about it as 7 months (which is what the time frame would be including my no sugar and no starch in between HCG times) I would have already gave up! So here is my question...When I am done with this 40 day run can I go to step three and close myself out of the diet but still do it again if and when I feel that I can handle the commitment again????? Or do I have to stay in stage 2 until I am done losing all of my weight????Thank you for your help and support! -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Thank you so much for all of those great tips Jodi! What is VLCD? From: Jodi Stoddard <jodistoddard@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:00:38 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? 23-40 days with shots and VLCD then - 3 weeks in the maintainance part - eat all you want - BUT NO STARCHES OR SUGARS. Then, between then and your next protocol round - you can gradually add back in starches and sugars. Be careful though and if you gain 2 pounds - you have to immediatly have a steak day (the protocol says to skip breakfst and lunch and have the largest steak you can eat for dinner.) My friend is on her 2nd protocol and she says that she cooks up the steak in the morning and just has bites of it thru the day as she feels she needs it - the next day, she is back down to her set weight. I have had a sugar addiction all my life. There are a couple of good websites - www.happilythinnerafter.com - the moderator gave me some great advice cuz I was starving and craving too (This is my first protocol and my 16th day.) She said STOP eating the apples - they can cause some people to crave more and be hungrier. Go with the grapefruit and the strawberries. I eat the grapefruit at about 10:30 in the morning - it has a natural appetite supressor. That site also has a great chili recipe which she told me to make a large batch of it (look under FORUM - then recipes). There is also a great choc.cake recipe using egg whites and cocoa and splenda. It satisifies that sweet craving nicely. Drink lots of flavored tea's sweetened with stevia. I also upped my HcG a tiny bit - I was taking 125 iu - (.5cc's) and upped it to .65 cc's or aprox 150 iu. Between all of that, my hunger has finally subsided the past couple of days. At night, I take juice from 1/2 lemon, a hand full of strawberries, 18-22 drops of stevia and crushed ice. Put it in the blender and make a yummy slushy. I drink it an hour or so after dinner as a treat. - It also acts as a diruretic for me and I pee a bunch before bed - but that just helps the scales the next day. I also found that many people were using Walden Farms dressings, syrups, choc & caramel sauce - so I found a local store that carries them - they are calorie, carb & fat free - so they are totally legal on this diet. And they are rather yummy - choc. covered strawberries, choc. sauce over the cake recipe. They help me get thru.. Hope these things help - the really helped me Jodi On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, lisamholmquist <lisamholmquist@...> wrote: Hello!I am new to HCG and have been on it for 7 days and have stuck to the diet exactly without fail! I have happily lost 9 pounds already :-)However I am hungrier than I have ever been and don't know if I am going to be able to keep control over the incredibly strong cravings that I have been having. I am going to need to do 3 or 4 runs in order to lose all of my weight but I don't know that I can be so strict for sooooooo long (including in between with the no sugar or starches. To keep myself going I had to shorten my goal and only commit to finishing this 40 day run of HCG. If I were to think about it as 7 months (which is what the time frame would be including my no sugar and no starch in between HCG times) I would have already gave up! So here is my question...When I am done with this 40 day run can I go to step three and close myself out of the diet but still do it again if and when I feel that I can handle the commitment again????? Or do I have to stay in stage 2 until I am done losing all of my weight????Thank you for your help and support! -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Sorry I guess I had a few more questions for you... CAKE! REALLY? These recipes are for after this 40 day run of HCG right, during the three week period? Otherwise I don't understand how you work it in? How do you eat your grapefruit. I have eaten them before but I always sprinkled sugar on top so I don't know if I could handle it on it's own (so sour!). I was just told by someone to take a probiotic and that should also help with my carb and suger cravings. I'll let you know if that helps me or not if you would like? What is a startch exactly? How do you know if something is a starch? Is milk a starch? Thanks again! From: Jodi StoSddard <jodistoddard@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:00:38 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? 23-40 days with shots and VLCD then - 3 weeks in the maintainance part - eat all you want - BUT NO STARCHES OR SUGARS. Then, between then and your next protocol round - you can gradually add back in starches and sugars. Be careful though and if you gain 2 pounds - you have to immediatly have a steak day (the protocol says to skip breakfst and lunch and have the largest steak you can eat for dinner.) My friend is on her 2nd protocol and she says that she cooks up the steak in the morning and just has bites of it thru the day as she feels she needs it - the next day, she is back down to her set weight. I have had a sugar addiction all my life. There are a couple of good websites - www.happilythinnerafter.com - the moderator gave me some great advice cuz I was starving and craving too (This is my first protocol and my 16th day.) She said STOP eating the apples - they can cause some people to crave more and be hungrier. Go with the grapefruit and the strawberries. I eat the grapefruit at about 10:30 in the morning - it has a natural appetite supressor. That site also has a great chili recipe which she told me to make a large batch of it (look under FORUM - then recipes). There is also a great choc.cake recipe using egg whites and cocoa and splenda. It satisifies that sweet craving nicely. Drink lots of flavored tea's sweetened with stevia. I also upped my HcG a tiny bit - I was taking 125 iu - (.5cc's) and upped it to .65 cc's or aprox 150 iu. Between all of that, my hunger has finally subsided the past couple of days. At night, I take juice from 1/2 lemon, a hand full of strawberries, 18-22 drops of stevia and crushed ice. Put it in the blender and make a yummy slushy. I drink it an hour or so after dinner as a treat. - It also acts as a diruretic for me and I pee a bunch before bed - but that just helps the scales the next day. I also found that many people were using Walden Farms dressings, syrups, choc & caramel sauce - so I found a local store that carries them - they are calorie, carb & fat free - so they are totally legal on this diet. And they are rather yummy - choc. covered strawberries, choc. sauce over the cake recipe. They help me get thru. Hope these things help - the really helped me Jodi On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, lisamholmquist <lisamholmquist@...> wrote: Hello!I am new to HCG and have been on it for 7 days and have stuck to the diet exactly without fail! I have happily lost 9 pounds already :-)However I am hungrier than I have ever been and don't know if I am going to be able to keep control over the incredibly strong cravings that I have been having. I am going to need to do 3 or 4 runs in order to lose all of my weight but I don't know that I can be so strict for sooooooo long (including in between with the no sugar or starches. To keep myself going I had to shorten my goal and only commit to finishing this 40 day run of HCG. If I were to think about it as 7 months (which is what the time frame would be including my no sugar and no starch in between HCG times) I would have already gave up! So here is my question...When I am done with this 40 day run can I go to step three and close myself out of the diet but still do it again if and when I feel that I can handle the commitment again????? Or do I have to stay in stage 2 until I am done losing all of my weight????Thank you for your help and support! -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Very Low Calorie Day On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Holmquist <lisamholmquist@...> wrote: Thank you so much for all of those great tips Jodi! What is VLCD? From: Jodi Stoddard <jodistoddard@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:00:38 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? 23-40 days with shots and VLCD then - 3 weeks in the maintainance part - eat all you want - BUT NO STARCHES OR SUGARS. Then, between then and your next protocol round - you can gradually add back in starches and sugars. Be careful though and if you gain 2 pounds - you have to immediatly have a steak day (the protocol says to skip breakfst and lunch and have the largest steak you can eat for dinner.) My friend is on her 2nd protocol and she says that she cooks up the steak in the morning and just has bites of it thru the day as she feels she needs it - the next day, she is back down to her set weight. I have had a sugar addiction all my life. There are a couple of good websites - www.happilythinnerafter.com - the moderator gave me some great advice cuz I was starving and craving too (This is my first protocol and my 16th day.) She said STOP eating the apples - they can cause some people to crave more and be hungrier. Go with the grapefruit and the strawberries. I eat the grapefruit at about 10:30 in the morning - it has a natural appetite supressor. That site also has a great chili recipe which she told me to make a large batch of it (look under FORUM - then recipes). There is also a great choc.cake recipe using egg whites and cocoa and splenda. It satisifies that sweet craving nicely. Drink lots of flavored tea's sweetened with stevia. I also upped my HcG a tiny bit - I was taking 125 iu - (.5cc's) and upped it to .65 cc's or aprox 150 iu. Between all of that, my hunger has finally subsided the past couple of days. At night, I take juice from 1/2 lemon, a hand full of strawberries, 18-22 drops of stevia and crushed ice. Put it in the blender and make a yummy slushy. I drink it an hour or so after dinner as a treat. - It also acts as a diruretic for me and I pee a bunch before bed - but that just helps the scales the next day. I also found that many people were using Walden Farms dressings, syrups, choc & caramel sauce - so I found a local store that carries them - they are calorie, carb & fat free - so they are totally legal on this diet. And they are rather yummy - choc. covered strawberries, choc. sauce over the cake recipe. They help me get thru.. Hope these things help - the really helped me Jodi On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, lisamholmquist <lisamholmquist@...> wrote: Hello!I am new to HCG and have been on it for 7 days and have stuck to the diet exactly without fail! I have happily lost 9 pounds already :-)However I am hungrier than I have ever been and don't know if I am going to be able to keep control over the incredibly strong cravings that I have been having. I am going to need to do 3 or 4 runs in order to lose all of my weight but I don't know that I can be so strict for sooooooo long (including in between with the no sugar or starches. To keep myself going I had to shorten my goal and only commit to finishing this 40 day run of HCG. If I were to think about it as 7 months (which is what the time frame would be including my no sugar and no starch in between HCG times) I would have already gave up! So here is my question...When I am done with this 40 day run can I go to step three and close myself out of the diet but still do it again if and when I feel that I can handle the commitment again????? Or do I have to stay in stage 2 until I am done losing all of my weight????Thank you for your help and support! -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 This cake is for the P2 (phase2)- which you are on right now. It is very low calorie, made with egg whites and cocoa and splenda - The cake only has 22 calories per serving. I just put a small peice in my mouth and let it disolve - so I eat it really slow and let the choc flavor fill up my mouth. I have the pink grape fruit - they are very sweet right now - or you could sprinkle Splenda, stevia, or sweet n low on them - but the ones I got at Costco don't need anything A starch is pasta, bread, rice, grains, potatoes. Milk is dairy, and you can use cottage cheese as a substitute for a protein (meat) Vegetarians do this. You can also substitute a couple of eggs for your protein. Sometimes I will hardboil 2 Jumbo eggs, and have 1/2 an egg about 1 hour before my lunch to get me thru till lunch time. I am also taking a probiotic - not sure if it is helping? I did get some Potassium from Walmart to take - especially for those days when I feel weak, shaky of fuzzy. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Holmquist <lisamholmquist@...> wrote: Sorry I guess I had a few more questions for you... CAKE! REALLY? These recipes are for after this 40 day run of HCG right, during the three week period? Otherwise I don't understand how you work it in? How do you eat your grapefruit. I have eaten them before but I always sprinkled sugar on top so I don't know if I could handle it on it's own (so sour!). I was just told by someone to take a probiotic and that should also help with my carb and suger cravings. I'll let you know if that helps me or not if you would like? What is a startch exactly? How do you know if something is a starch? Is milk a starch? Thanks again! From: Jodi StoSddard <jodistoddard@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:00:38 PM Subject: Re: Very Hungry Still? 23-40 days with shots and VLCD then - 3 weeks in the maintainance part - eat all you want - BUT NO STARCHES OR SUGARS. Then, between then and your next protocol round - you can gradually add back in starches and sugars. Be careful though and if you gain 2 pounds - you have to immediatly have a steak day (the protocol says to skip breakfst and lunch and have the largest steak you can eat for dinner.) My friend is on her 2nd protocol and she says that she cooks up the steak in the morning and just has bites of it thru the day as she feels she needs it - the next day, she is back down to her set weight. I have had a sugar addiction all my life. There are a couple of good websites - www.happilythinnerafter.com - the moderator gave me some great advice cuz I was starving and craving too (This is my first protocol and my 16th day.) She said STOP eating the apples - they can cause some people to crave more and be hungrier. Go with the grapefruit and the strawberries. I eat the grapefruit at about 10:30 in the morning - it has a natural appetite supressor. That site also has a great chili recipe which she told me to make a large batch of it (look under FORUM - then recipes). There is also a great choc.cake recipe using egg whites and cocoa and splenda. It satisifies that sweet craving nicely. Drink lots of flavored tea's sweetened with stevia. I also upped my HcG a tiny bit - I was taking 125 iu - (.5cc's) and upped it to .65 cc's or aprox 150 iu. Between all of that, my hunger has finally subsided the past couple of days. At night, I take juice from 1/2 lemon, a hand full of strawberries, 18-22 drops of stevia and crushed ice. Put it in the blender and make a yummy slushy. I drink it an hour or so after dinner as a treat. - It also acts as a diruretic for me and I pee a bunch before bed - but that just helps the scales the next day. I also found that many people were using Walden Farms dressings, syrups, choc & caramel sauce - so I found a local store that carries them - they are calorie, carb & fat free - so they are totally legal on this diet. And they are rather yummy - choc. covered strawberries, choc. sauce over the cake recipe. They help me get thru. Hope these things help - the really helped me Jodi On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, lisamholmquist <lisamholmquist@...> wrote: Hello!I am new to HCG and have been on it for 7 days and have stuck to the diet exactly without fail! I have happily lost 9 pounds already :-)However I am hungrier than I have ever been and don't know if I am going to be able to keep control over the incredibly strong cravings that I have been having. I am going to need to do 3 or 4 runs in order to lose all of my weight but I don't know that I can be so strict for sooooooo long (including in between with the no sugar or starches. To keep myself going I had to shorten my goal and only commit to finishing this 40 day run of HCG. If I were to think about it as 7 months (which is what the time frame would be including my no sugar and no starch in between HCG times) I would have already gave up! So here is my question...When I am done with this 40 day run can I go to step three and close myself out of the diet but still do it again if and when I feel that I can handle the commitment again????? Or do I have to stay in stage 2 until I am done losing all of my weight????Thank you for your help and support! -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Hi , It sounds like you need to do some research. A starch is a potato. and the like. HCG is very specific. Do your home work so you do not hurt your self. Under no circumstance do you eat cake while on the HCG. You need your nutrients and those only come on the form of fruits, and vegetables that are fresh. I can answer your questions. I am a very experienced Nutritionist who studies a lot in the fields of Health and Alternative medicine. Pleas take it from me...You must be committed and that means learning about food. Whole foods verses refined and bleached foods etc... Blessings Sandi Best Regards Sandi J Harmon Please contact me on # +41 794 290 296.... "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein -- 1879-1955 From: Holmquist <lisamholmquist@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 7:50:01 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? Sorry I guess I had a few more questions for you... CAKE! REALLY? These recipes are for after this 40 day run of HCG right, during the three week period? Otherwise I don't understand how you work it in? How do you eat your grapefruit. I have eaten them before but I always sprinkled sugar on top so I don't know if I could handle it on it's own (so sour!). I was just told by someone to take a probiotic and that should also help with my carb and suger cravings. I'll let you know if that helps me or not if you would like? What is a startch exactly? How do you know if something is a starch? Is milk a starch? Thanks again! From: Jodi StoSddard <jodistoddard@ gmail.com>Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:00:38 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? 23-40 days with shots and VLCD then - 3 weeks in the maintainance part - eat all you want - BUT NO STARCHES OR SUGARS. Then, between then and your next protocol round - you can gradually add back in starches and sugars. Be careful though and if you gain 2 pounds - you have to immediatly have a steak day (the protocol says to skip breakfst and lunch and have the largest steak you can eat for dinner.) My friend is on her 2nd protocol and she says that she cooks up the steak in the morning and just has bites of it thru the day as she feels she needs it - the next day, she is back down to her set weight. I have had a sugar addiction all my life. There are a couple of good websites - www.happilythinnera fter.com - the moderator gave me some great advice cuz I was starving and craving too (This is my first protocol and my 16th day.) She said STOP eating the apples - they can cause some people to crave more and be hungrier. Go with the grapefruit and the strawberries. I eat the grapefruit at about 10:30 in the morning - it has a natural appetite supressor. That site also has a great chili recipe which she told me to make a large batch of it (look under FORUM - then recipes). There is also a great choc.cake recipe using egg whites and cocoa and splenda. It satisifies that sweet craving nicely. Drink lots of flavored tea's sweetened with stevia. I also upped my HcG a tiny bit - I was taking 125 iu - (.5cc's) and upped it to .65 cc's or aprox 150 iu. Between all of that, my hunger has finally subsided the past couple of days. At night, I take juice from 1/2 lemon, a hand full of strawberries, 18-22 drops of stevia and crushed ice. Put it in the blender and make a yummy slushy. I drink it an hour or so after dinner as a treat. - It also acts as a diruretic for me and I pee a bunch before bed - but that just helps the scales the next day. I also found that many people were using Walden Farms dressings, syrups, choc & caramel sauce - so I found a local store that carries them - they are calorie, carb & fat free - so they are totally legal on this diet. And they are rather yummy - choc. covered strawberries, choc. sauce over the cake recipe. They help me get thru. Hope these things help - the really helped me Jodi On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, lisamholmquist <lisamholmquist> wrote: Hello!I am new to HCG and have been on it for 7 days and have stuck to the diet exactly without fail! I have happily lost 9 pounds already :-)However I am hungrier than I have ever been and don't know if I am going to be able to keep control over the incredibly strong cravings that I have been having. I am going to need to do 3 or 4 runs in order to lose all of my weight but I don't know that I can be so strict for sooooooo long (including in between with the no sugar or starches. To keep myself going I had to shorten my goal and only commit to finishing this 40 day run of HCG. If I were to think about it as 7 months (which is what the time frame would be including my no sugar and no starch in between HCG times) I would have already gave up! So here is my question...When I am done with this 40 day run can I go to step three and close myself out of the diet but still do it again if and when I feel that I can handle the commitment again????? Or do I have to stay in stage 2 until I am done losing all of my weight????Thank you for your help and support! -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 go to www.happilythinnerafter.com - another support group for HcG. The P2 cake on there is made with perfectly approved ingredients - NO FLOUR or starch. It is made with egg whites, cocoa and splenda. There are other great recipes there too - all perfectly 'legal', healthy, etc. So, before you assume that they are not - check out the site and learn something new - it makes the long boring days 'survivable'. So, YES - you can eat cake on P2 - if it is this cake. . . . On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Sandi Harmon <sandijharmon@...> wrote: Hi , It sounds like you need to do some research. A starch is a potato. and the like. HCG is very specific. Do your home work so you do not hurt your self. Under no circumstance do you eat cake while on the HCG. You need your nutrients and those only come on the form of fruits, and vegetables that are fresh. I can answer your questions. I am a very experienced Nutritionist who studies a lot in the fields of Health and Alternative medicine. Pleas take it from me...You must be committed and that means learning about food. Whole foods verses refined and bleached foods etc... Blessings Sandi Best Regards Sandi J Harmon Please contact me on # +41 794 290 296.... " Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. " Albert Einstein -- 1879-1955 From: Holmquist <lisamholmquist@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 7:50:01 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? Sorry I guess I had a few more questions for you... CAKE! REALLY? These recipes are for after this 40 day run of HCG right, during the three week period? Otherwise I don't understand how you work it in? How do you eat your grapefruit. I have eaten them before but I always sprinkled sugar on top so I don't know if I could handle it on it's own (so sour!). I was just told by someone to take a probiotic and that should also help with my carb and suger cravings. I'll let you know if that helps me or not if you would like? What is a startch exactly? How do you know if something is a starch? Is milk a starch? Thanks again! From: Jodi StoSddard <jodistoddard@ gmail.com> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:00:38 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? 23-40 days with shots and VLCD then - 3 weeks in the maintainance part - eat all you want - BUT NO STARCHES OR SUGARS. Then, between then and your next protocol round - you can gradually add back in starches and sugars. Be careful though and if you gain 2 pounds - you have to immediatly have a steak day (the protocol says to skip breakfst and lunch and have the largest steak you can eat for dinner.) My friend is on her 2nd protocol and she says that she cooks up the steak in the morning and just has bites of it thru the day as she feels she needs it - the next day, she is back down to her set weight. I have had a sugar addiction all my life. There are a couple of good websites - www.happilythinnera fter.com - the moderator gave me some great advice cuz I was starving and craving too (This is my first protocol and my 16th day.) She said STOP eating the apples - they can cause some people to crave more and be hungrier. Go with the grapefruit and the strawberries. I eat the grapefruit at about 10:30 in the morning - it has a natural appetite supressor. That site also has a great chili recipe which she told me to make a large batch of it (look under FORUM - then recipes). There is also a great choc.cake recipe using egg whites and cocoa and splenda. It satisifies that sweet craving nicely. Drink lots of flavored tea's sweetened with stevia. I also upped my HcG a tiny bit - I was taking 125 iu - (.5cc's) and upped it to .65 cc's or aprox 150 iu. Between all of that, my hunger has finally subsided the past couple of days. At night, I take juice from 1/2 lemon, a hand full of strawberries, 18-22 drops of stevia and crushed ice. Put it in the blender and make a yummy slushy. I drink it an hour or so after dinner as a treat. - It also acts as a diruretic for me and I pee a bunch before bed - but that just helps the scales the next day. I also found that many people were using Walden Farms dressings, syrups, choc & caramel sauce - so I found a local store that carries them - they are calorie, carb & fat free - so they are totally legal on this diet. And they are rather yummy - choc. covered strawberries, choc. sauce over the cake recipe. They help me get thru. Hope these things help - the really helped me Jodi On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, lisamholmquist <lisamholmquist> wrote: Hello!I am new to HCG and have been on it for 7 days and have stuck to the diet exactly without fail! I have happily lost 9 pounds already :-)However I am hungrier than I have ever been and don't know if I am going to be able to keep control over the incredibly strong cravings that I have been having. I am going to need to do 3 or 4 runs in order to lose all of my weight but I don't know that I can be so strict for sooooooo long (including in between with the no sugar or starches. To keep myself going I had to shorten my goal and only commit to finishing this 40 day run of HCG. If I were to think about it as 7 months (which is what the time frame would be including my no sugar and no starch in between HCG times) I would have already gave up! So here is my question...When I am done with this 40 day run can I go to step three and close myself out of the diet but still do it again if and when I feel that I can handle the commitment again????? Or do I have to stay in stage 2 until I am done losing all of my weight????Thank you for your help and support! -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 All you newbies on here trying to gather all this information you need to buy CC's HCG E-BOOK. It is very easy to read and every question in the world you can possibly think of is in here. You will be so glad you bought it. I refer to it every single day of my life and have for for way over a year. You will love it and be so happy you purchased. It it will be your survival guide through this whole journey. If you don't get it is it your loss. It it worth a million times over its purchase price which is less that a dinner out. It's very inexpensive and you can even print it off. Take it from me I wouldn't give mine up for anything else in the world. If you have any questions just ask. Darena From: Jodi Stoddard <jodistoddard@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 3:38:53 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? go to www.happilythinnera fter.com - another support group for HcG. The P2 cake on there is made with perfectly approved ingredients - NO FLOUR or starch. It is made with egg whites, cocoa and splenda. There are other great recipes there too - all perfectly 'legal', healthy, etc. So, before you assume that they are not - check out the site and learn something new - it makes the long boring days 'survivable'. So, YES - you can eat cake on P2 - if it is this cake. . . . On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Sandi Harmon <sandijharmon> wrote: Hi , It sounds like you need to do some research. A starch is a potato. and the like. HCG is very specific. Do your home work so you do not hurt your self. Under no circumstance do you eat cake while on the HCG. You need your nutrients and those only come on the form of fruits, and vegetables that are fresh. I can answer your questions. I am a very experienced Nutritionist who studies a lot in the fields of Health and Alternative medicine. Pleas take it from me...You must be committed and that means learning about food. Whole foods verses refined and bleached foods etc... Blessings Sandi Best Regards Sandi J Harmon Please contact me on # +41 794 290 296.... "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein -- 1879-1955 From: Holmquist <lisamholmquist>Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 7:50:01 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? Sorry I guess I had a few more questions for you... CAKE! REALLY? These recipes are for after this 40 day run of HCG right, during the three week period? Otherwise I don't understand how you work it in? How do you eat your grapefruit. I have eaten them before but I always sprinkled sugar on top so I don't know if I could handle it on it's own (so sour!). I was just told by someone to take a probiotic and that should also help with my carb and suger cravings. I'll let you know if that helps me or not if you would like? What is a startch exactly? How do you know if something is a starch? Is milk a starch? Thanks again! From: Jodi StoSddard <jodistoddard@ gmail.com>Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:00:38 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? 23-40 days with shots and VLCD then - 3 weeks in the maintainance part - eat all you want - BUT NO STARCHES OR SUGARS. Then, between then and your next protocol round - you can gradually add back in starches and sugars. Be careful though and if you gain 2 pounds - you have to immediatly have a steak day (the protocol says to skip breakfst and lunch and have the largest steak you can eat for dinner.) My friend is on her 2nd protocol and she says that she cooks up the steak in the morning and just has bites of it thru the day as she feels she needs it - the next day, she is back down to her set weight. I have had a sugar addiction all my life. There are a couple of good websites - www.happilythinnera fter.com - the moderator gave me some great advice cuz I was starving and craving too (This is my first protocol and my 16th day.) She said STOP eating the apples - they can cause some people to crave more and be hungrier. Go with the grapefruit and the strawberries. I eat the grapefruit at about 10:30 in the morning - it has a natural appetite supressor. That site also has a great chili recipe which she told me to make a large batch of it (look under FORUM - then recipes). There is also a great choc.cake recipe using egg whites and cocoa and splenda. It satisifies that sweet craving nicely. Drink lots of flavored tea's sweetened with stevia. I also upped my HcG a tiny bit - I was taking 125 iu - (.5cc's) and upped it to .65 cc's or aprox 150 iu. Between all of that, my hunger has finally subsided the past couple of days. At night, I take juice from 1/2 lemon, a hand full of strawberries, 18-22 drops of stevia and crushed ice. Put it in the blender and make a yummy slushy. I drink it an hour or so after dinner as a treat. - It also acts as a diruretic for me and I pee a bunch before bed - but that just helps the scales the next day. I also found that many people were using Walden Farms dressings, syrups, choc & caramel sauce - so I found a local store that carries them - they are calorie, carb & fat free - so they are totally legal on this diet. And they are rather yummy - choc. covered strawberries, choc. sauce over the cake recipe. They help me get thru. Hope these things help - the really helped me Jodi On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, lisamholmquist <lisamholmquist> wrote: Hello!I am new to HCG and have been on it for 7 days and have stuck to the diet exactly without fail! I have happily lost 9 pounds already :-)However I am hungrier than I have ever been and don't know if I am going to be able to keep control over the incredibly strong cravings that I have been having. I am going to need to do 3 or 4 runs in order to lose all of my weight but I don't know that I can be so strict for sooooooo long (including in between with the no sugar or starches. To keep myself going I had to shorten my goal and only commit to finishing this 40 day run of HCG. If I were to think about it as 7 months (which is what the time frame would be including my no sugar and no starch in between HCG times) I would have already gave up! So here is my question...When I am done with this 40 day run can I go to step three and close myself out of the diet but still do it again if and when I feel that I can handle the commitment again????? Or do I have to stay in stage 2 until I am done losing all of my weight????Thank you for your help and support! -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Oh, I forgot to mention it has many wonderful recipies in there to boot. Whatever is associated with HCG your answer plus lots of tips and bonus things are in there. You will be pleasently surprised. Darena From: Jodi Stoddard <jodistoddard@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 3:38:53 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? go to www.happilythinnera fter.com - another support group for HcG. The P2 cake on there is made with perfectly approved ingredients - NO FLOUR or starch. It is made with egg whites, cocoa and splenda. There are other great recipes there too - all perfectly 'legal', healthy, etc. So, before you assume that they are not - check out the site and learn something new - it makes the long boring days 'survivable'. So, YES - you can eat cake on P2 - if it is this cake. . . . On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Sandi Harmon <sandijharmon> wrote: Hi , It sounds like you need to do some research. A starch is a potato. and the like. HCG is very specific. Do your home work so you do not hurt your self. Under no circumstance do you eat cake while on the HCG. You need your nutrients and those only come on the form of fruits, and vegetables that are fresh. I can answer your questions. I am a very experienced Nutritionist who studies a lot in the fields of Health and Alternative medicine. Pleas take it from me...You must be committed and that means learning about food. Whole foods verses refined and bleached foods etc... Blessings Sandi Best Regards Sandi J Harmon Please contact me on # +41 794 290 296.... "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein -- 1879-1955 From: Holmquist <lisamholmquist>Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 7:50:01 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? Sorry I guess I had a few more questions for you... CAKE! REALLY? These recipes are for after this 40 day run of HCG right, during the three week period? Otherwise I don't understand how you work it in? How do you eat your grapefruit. I have eaten them before but I always sprinkled sugar on top so I don't know if I could handle it on it's own (so sour!). I was just told by someone to take a probiotic and that should also help with my carb and suger cravings. I'll let you know if that helps me or not if you would like? What is a startch exactly? How do you know if something is a starch? Is milk a starch? Thanks again! From: Jodi StoSddard <jodistoddard@ gmail.com>Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:00:38 PMSubject: Re: Very Hungry Still? 23-40 days with shots and VLCD then - 3 weeks in the maintainance part - eat all you want - BUT NO STARCHES OR SUGARS. Then, between then and your next protocol round - you can gradually add back in starches and sugars. Be careful though and if you gain 2 pounds - you have to immediatly have a steak day (the protocol says to skip breakfst and lunch and have the largest steak you can eat for dinner.) My friend is on her 2nd protocol and she says that she cooks up the steak in the morning and just has bites of it thru the day as she feels she needs it - the next day, she is back down to her set weight. I have had a sugar addiction all my life. There are a couple of good websites - www.happilythinnera fter.com - the moderator gave me some great advice cuz I was starving and craving too (This is my first protocol and my 16th day.) She said STOP eating the apples - they can cause some people to crave more and be hungrier. Go with the grapefruit and the strawberries. I eat the grapefruit at about 10:30 in the morning - it has a natural appetite supressor. That site also has a great chili recipe which she told me to make a large batch of it (look under FORUM - then recipes). There is also a great choc.cake recipe using egg whites and cocoa and splenda. It satisifies that sweet craving nicely. Drink lots of flavored tea's sweetened with stevia. I also upped my HcG a tiny bit - I was taking 125 iu - (.5cc's) and upped it to .65 cc's or aprox 150 iu. Between all of that, my hunger has finally subsided the past couple of days. At night, I take juice from 1/2 lemon, a hand full of strawberries, 18-22 drops of stevia and crushed ice. Put it in the blender and make a yummy slushy. I drink it an hour or so after dinner as a treat. - It also acts as a diruretic for me and I pee a bunch before bed - but that just helps the scales the next day. I also found that many people were using Walden Farms dressings, syrups, choc & caramel sauce - so I found a local store that carries them - they are calorie, carb & fat free - so they are totally legal on this diet. And they are rather yummy - choc. covered strawberries, choc. sauce over the cake recipe. They help me get thru. Hope these things help - the really helped me Jodi On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, lisamholmquist <lisamholmquist> wrote: Hello!I am new to HCG and have been on it for 7 days and have stuck to the diet exactly without fail! I have happily lost 9 pounds already :-)However I am hungrier than I have ever been and don't know if I am going to be able to keep control over the incredibly strong cravings that I have been having. I am going to need to do 3 or 4 runs in order to lose all of my weight but I don't know that I can be so strict for sooooooo long (including in between with the no sugar or starches. To keep myself going I had to shorten my goal and only commit to finishing this 40 day run of HCG. If I were to think about it as 7 months (which is what the time frame would be including my no sugar and no starch in between HCG times) I would have already gave up! So here is my question...When I am done with this 40 day run can I go to step three and close myself out of the diet but still do it again if and when I feel that I can handle the commitment again????? Or do I have to stay in stage 2 until I am done losing all of my weight????Thank you for your help and support! -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Jodi, if you're still in the VLCD and taking hCG, the choc. cake and syrups are really going to cause problems, if not now, then later when you try to stablize. According to Dr. S, it doesn't matter whether the things are calorie, carb, fat, starch or otherwise 'free', the food list was carefully calculated to be effective in maximizing weight loss and helping reset the hypothalumus to the new lower weight. Adding in foods not on the food list, even if they are *everything* free (like the syrups) causes the body to react differently, which will affect your weight loss and make P3-stabilization a nightmare. Also, eating syrups and chocolate cake will keep sweet cravings going...... Consider the possibility that you'll have trouble stabilizing later, and whether that sweet now is worth days or weeks of yo-yo-ing weight later...a lot of folks who cheated on the hcgdieters group had issues stabilizing, and some gained all the weight back after having a P2 with lots of cheats.... If you haven't already, get a copy of Pounds and Inches http://www.hcgloss.com/pounds-and-inches.html and look over the section he has on how deviations from the food list affect the ability to stabilize later... Vicky - who also has a huge sweet tooth (and is a carbaholic), but managed to feed it during P2 with stevia sweetened chai tea..... Vicky Rowe Owner & Webmistress, http://www.hcgloss.com Learn how lose weight for good with hCG using Pounds & Inches! Follow my progress on my blog at http://www.hcgloss.com/wordpress/ 211.4/190/135 (Whoohoo, on my way!!) Doing Zen of Michele P3 – just eat when you're hungry! > > Hello! > > I am new to HCG and have been on it for 7 days and have stuck to the > diet exactly without fail! I have happily lost 9 pounds already :-) > > However I am hungrier than I have ever been and don't know if I am > going to be able to keep control over the incredibly strong cravings > that I have been having. I am going to need to do 3 or 4 runs in > order to lose all of my weight but I don't know that I can be so > strict for sooooooo long (including in between with the no sugar or > starches. > > To keep myself going I had to shorten my goal and only commit to > finishing this 40 day run of HCG. If I were to think about it as 7 > months (which is what the time frame would be including my no sugar > and no starch in between HCG times) I would have already gave up! So > here is my question... > > When I am done with this 40 day run can I go to step three and close > myself out of the diet but still do it again if and when I feel that > I can handle the commitment again????? Or do I have to stay in stage > 2 until I am done losing all of my weight???? > > Thank you for your help and support! > > > > > > -- > Jodi Stoddard > Heartland Bazaar > Your Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant > 509-786-4064 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Jodi, that clinic is not giving you correct information on the hCG program, they've made changes for convenience that aren't on the protocol... If you're doing the Simeons Protocol according to his rules, there is no cake, of any kind, no matter what they say. Keep in mind, many of the clinics prescribing hCG will mess with the protocol, and recommend foods that will slow, stall or even sabatoge your weight loss entirely, causing you to gain it all back in P3, thereby making sure you have to keep coming back and giving them money. The entire process of P2 is to help your hypothalumus reset so you can stabilize in P3. Don't believe the clinics, please get your own copy of Pounds and Inches http://www.hcgloss.com/pounds-and-inches.html and read it, highlight it (and then re-read it, there is *so* much there, LOL). Don't let the clinic keep you from maximizing your success on this program!! Here is what the original protocol says on food (taken verbatim from Pounds and Inches): " The 500 Calorie diet is explained on the day of the second injection to those patients who will be preparing their own food, and it is most important that the person who will actually cook is present - the wife, the mother or the cook, as the case may be. Here in Italy patients are given the following diet sheet. BREAKFAST: Tea or coffee in any quantity without sugar. Only one tablespoonful of milk allowed in 24 hours. Saccharin or other sweeteners may be used. LUNCH: 1. 100 grams of veal, beef, chicken breast, fresh white fish, lobster, crab, or shrimp. All visible fat must be carefully removed before cooking, and the meat must be weighed raw. It must be boiled or grilled without additional fat. Salmon, eel, tuna, herring, dried or pickled fish are not allowed. The chicken breast must be removed raw from the bird. 2. One type of vegetable only to be chosen from the following: spinach, chard, chicory, beet-greens, green salad, tomatoes, celery, fennel, onions, red radishes, cucumbers, asparagus, cabbage. 3. One breadstick (grissino) or one Melba toast. 4. An apple or an orange or a handful of strawberries or one-half grapefruit. DINNER : The same four choices as lunch. The juice of one lemon daily is allowed for all purposes. Salt, pepper, vinegar, mustard powder, garlic, sweet basil, parsley, thyme, majoram, etc., may be used for seasoning, but no oil, butter or dressing. Tea, coffee, plain water, or mineral water are the only drinks allowed, but they may be taken in any quantity and at all times. In fact, the patient should drink about 2 liters of these fluids per day. Many patients are afraid to drink so much because they fear that this may make them retain more water. This is a wrong notion as the body is more inclined to store water when the intake falls below its normal requirements. The fruit or the breadstick may be eaten between meals instead of with lunch or dinner, but not more than than four items listed for lunch and dinner may be eaten at one meal. No medicines or cosmetics other than lipstick, eyebrow pencil and powder may be used without special permission ****READ THIS PART CAREFULLY****** Every item in the list is gone over carefully, continually stressing the point that no variations other than those listed may be introduced. ***All things not listed are forbidden***, and the patient is assured that nothing permissible has been left out. The 100 grams of meat must he scrupulously weighed raw after all visible fat has been removed. To do this accurately the patient must have a letter-scale, as kitchen scales are not sufficiently accurate and the butcher should certainly not be relied upon. Those not uncommon patients who feel that even so little food is too much for them, can omit anything they wish. There is no objection to breaking up the two meals. For instance having a breadstick and an apple for breakfast or an orange before going to bed, provided they are deducted from the regular meals. The whole daily ration of two breadsticks or two fruits may not be eaten at the same time, nor can any item saved from the previous day be added on the following day. In the beginning patients are advised to check every meal against their diet sheet before starting to eat and not to rely on their memory. It is also worth pointing out that any attempt to observe this diet without HCG will lead to trouble in two to three days. We have had cases in which patients have proudly flaunted their dieting powers in front of their friends without mentioning the fact that they are also receiving treatment with HCG. They let their friends try the same diet, and when this proves to be a failure - as it necessarily must - the patient starts raking in unmerited kudos for superhuman willpower. It should also be mentioned that two small apples weighing as much as one large one never the less have a higher caloric value and are therefore not allowed though there is no restriction on the size of one apple. Some people do not realize that a tangerine is not an orange and that chicken breast does not mean the breast of any other fowl, nor does it mean a wing or drumstick. ***AND THIS - WHERE CLINICS MESS IT UP**** The most tiresome patients are those who start counting Calories and then come up with all manner of ingenious variations which they compile from their little books. When one has spent years of weary research trying to make a diet as attractive as possible without jeopardizing the loss of weight, culinary geniuses who are out to improve their unhappy lot are hard to take. Making up the Calories The diet used in conjunction with HCG must not exceed 500 Calories per day, and the way these Calories are made up is of utmost importance. For instance, if a patient drops the apple and eats an extra breadstick instead, he will not be getting more Calories but he will not lose weight. There are a number of foods, particularly fruits and vegetables, which have the same or even lower caloric values than those listed as permissible, and yet we find that they interfere with the regular loss of weight under HCG, presumably owing to the nature of their composition. Pimiento peppers, okra, artichokes and pears are examples of this. While this diet works satisfactorily in Italy, certain modifications have to be made in other countries. For instance, American beef has almost double the caloric value of South Italian beef, which is not marbled with fat. This marbling is impossible to remove. In America, therefore, low-grade veal should be used for one meal and fish (excluding all those species such as herring, mackerel, tuna, salmon, eel, etc., which have a high fat content, and all dried, smoked or pickled fish), chicken breast, lobster, crawfish, prawns, shrimps, crabmeat or kidneys for the other meal. Where the Italian breadsticks, the so-called grissini, are not available, one Melba toast may be used instead, though they are psychologically less satisfying. A Melba toast has about the same weight as the very porous grissini which is much more to look at and to chew. In many countries specially prepared unsweetened and low Calorie foods are freely available, and some of these can be tentatively used. When local conditions or the feeding habits of the population make changes necessary it must be borne in mind that the total daily intake must not exceed 500 Calories if the best possible results are to be obtained, that the daily ration should contain 200 grams of fat-free protein and a very small amount of starch. Just as the daily dose of HCG is the same in all cases, so the same diet proves to be satisfactory for a small elderly lady of leisure or a hard working muscular giant. Under the effect of HCG the obese body is always able to obtain all the Calories it needs from the abnormal fat deposits, regardless of whether it uses up 1500 or 4000 per day. It must be made very clear to the patient that he is living to a far greater extent on the fat which he is losing than on what he eats. Many patients ask why eggs are not allowed. The contents of two good sized eggs are roughly equivalent to 100 grams of meat, but fortunately the yolk contains a large amount of fat, which is undesirable. Very occasionally we allow egg - boiled, poached or raw - to patients who develop an aversion to meat, but in this case they must add the white of three eggs to the one they eat whole. In countries where cottage cheese made from skimmed milk is available 100 grams may occasionally be used instead of the meat, but no other cheeses are allowed. " ***AND FINALLY HE SAYS*** " Few patients will take one's word for it that the slightest deviation from the diet has under HCG disastrous results as far as the weight is concerned. This extreme sensitivity has the advantage that the smallest error is immediately detectable at the daily weighing but most patients have to make the experience before they will believe it. " Vicky - who learned the hard way that the Good Dr. means what he says, and only lost 20 lbs during her P2 40 days...... Vicky Rowe Owner & Webmistress, http://www.hcgloss.com Learn how lose weight for good with hCG using Pounds & Inches! Follow my progress on my blog at http://www.hcgloss.com/wordpress/ 211.4/190/135 (Whoohoo, on my way!!) Doing Zen of Michele P3 – just eat when you're hungry! > > go to www.happilythinnerafter.com - another support group for HcG. > The P2 cake on there is made with perfectly approved ingredients - NO FLOUR > or starch. > It is made with egg whites, cocoa and splenda. There are other great > recipes there too - all perfectly 'legal', healthy, etc. So, before you > assume that they are not - check out the site and learn something new - it > makes the long boring days 'survivable'. So, YES - you can eat cake on P2 - > if it is this cake. . . . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 the recipe I received and quoted is on HappilyThinnerAfter.com - a website devoted to HcG only. Did you read my email? I listed the ingredients - which are all P2 approved. I am not going thru a clinic. I have read the Pounds and Inches and I own Spinster and Trudeaus books which I have also studied and read. You are preaching to the choir. Have you checked out the HappilyThinnerAfter website? They are devoted to helping people be successful and are very strict on there. I thought that was where this original email came from was that website??? Again - eggs ARE approved on the diet - this recipe only used egg whites - and approved sweetners, There is nothing 'illegal' in this recipe. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:58 AM, meadwench <gotmead@...> wrote: Jodi, that clinic is not giving you correct information on the hCGprogram, they've made changes for convenience that aren't on theprotocol...If you're doing the Simeons Protocol according to his rules, there is no cake, of any kind, no matter what they say. Keep in mind, many of the clinics prescribing hCG will mess with theprotocol, and recommend foods that will slow, stall or even sabatogeyour weight loss entirely, causing you to gain it all back in P3, thereby making sure you have to keep coming back and giving themmoney. The entire process of P2 is to help your hypothalumus reset soyou can stabilize in P3. Don't believe the clinics, please get your own copy of Pounds and Inches http://www.hcgloss.com/pounds-and-inches.html and read it,highlight it (and then re-read it, there is *so* much there, LOL).Don't let the clinic keep you from maximizing your success on this program!!Here is what the original protocol says on food (taken verbatim fromPounds and Inches): " The 500 Calorie diet is explained on the day of the second injectionto those patients who will be preparing their own food, and it is most important that the person who will actually cook is present - thewife, the mother or the cook, as the case may be. Here in Italypatients are given the following diet sheet.BREAKFAST:Tea or coffee in any quantity without sugar. Only one tablespoonful of milk allowed in 24 hours. Saccharin or other sweeteners may be used.LUNCH:1. 100 grams of veal, beef, chicken breast, fresh white fish,lobster, crab, or shrimp. All visible fat must be carefully removed before cooking, and the meat must be weighed raw. It must be boiled orgrilled without additional fat. Salmon, eel, tuna, herring, dried orpickled fish are not allowed. The chicken breast must be removed rawfrom the bird. 2. One type of vegetable only to be chosen from the following:spinach, chard, chicory, beet-greens, green salad, tomatoes, celery,fennel, onions, red radishes, cucumbers, asparagus, cabbage.3. One breadstick (grissino) or one Melba toast. 4. An apple or an orange or a handful of strawberries or one-halfgrapefruit.DINNER :The same four choices as lunch.The juice of one lemon daily is allowed for all purposes. Salt,pepper, vinegar, mustard powder, garlic, sweet basil, parsley, thyme, majoram, etc., may be used for seasoning, but no oil, butter or dressing.Tea, coffee, plain water, or mineral water are the only drinksallowed, but they may be taken in any quantity and at all times.In fact, the patient should drink about 2 liters of these fluids per day. Many patients are afraid to drink so much because they fear thatthis may make them retain more water. This is a wrong notion as thebody is more inclined to store water when the intake falls below itsnormal requirements. The fruit or the breadstick may be eaten between meals instead of withlunch or dinner, but not more than than four items listed for lunchand dinner may be eaten at one meal.No medicines or cosmetics other than lipstick, eyebrow pencil and powder may be used without special permission****READ THIS PART CAREFULLY******Every item in the list is gone over carefully, continually stressingthe point that no variations other than those listed may be introduced. ***All things not listed are forbidden***, and the patientis assured that nothing permissible has been left out. The 100 gramsof meat must he scrupulously weighed raw after all visible fat hasbeen removed. To do this accurately the patient must have a letter-scale, as kitchen scales are not sufficiently accurate and thebutcher should certainly not be relied upon. Those not uncommonpatients who feel that even so little food is too much for them, canomit anything they wish. There is no objection to breaking up the two meals. For instancehaving a breadstick and an apple for breakfast or an orange beforegoing to bed, provided they are deducted from the regular meals. Thewhole daily ration of two breadsticks or two fruits may not be eaten at the same time, nor can any item saved from the previous day beadded on the following day. In the beginning patients are advised tocheck every meal against their diet sheet before starting to eat andnot to rely on their memory. It is also worth pointing out that any attempt to observe this diet without HCG will lead to trouble in twoto three days. We have had cases in which patients have proudlyflaunted their dieting powers in front of their friends withoutmentioning the fact that they are also receiving treatment with HCG. They let their friends try the same diet, and when this proves to be afailure - as it necessarily must - the patient starts raking inunmerited kudos for superhuman willpower.It should also be mentioned that two small apples weighing as much as one large one never the less have a higher caloric value and aretherefore not allowed though there is no restriction on the size ofone apple. Some people do not realize that a tangerine is not anorange and that chicken breast does not mean the breast of any other fowl, nor does it mean a wing or drumstick.***AND THIS - WHERE CLINICS MESS IT UP****The most tiresome patients are those who start counting Calories andthen come up with all manner of ingenious variations which they compile from their little books. When one has spent years of wearyresearch trying to make a diet as attractive as possible withoutjeopardizing the loss of weight, culinary geniuses who are out toimprove their unhappy lot are hard to take. Making up the CaloriesThe diet used in conjunction with HCG must not exceed 500 Calories perday, and the way these Calories are made up is of utmost importance.For instance, if a patient drops the apple and eats an extra breadstick instead, he will not be getting more Calories but he willnot lose weight. There are a number of foods, particularly fruits andvegetables, which have the same or even lower caloric values thanthose listed as permissible, and yet we find that they interfere with the regular loss of weight under HCG, presumably owing to the natureof their composition. Pimiento peppers, okra, artichokes and pears areexamples of this.While this diet works satisfactorily in Italy, certain modifications have to be made in other countries. For instance, American beef hasalmost double the caloric value of South Italian beef, which is notmarbled with fat. This marbling is impossible to remove. In America,therefore, low-grade veal should be used for one meal and fish (excluding all those species such as herring, mackerel, tuna, salmon,eel, etc., which have a high fat content, and all dried, smoked orpickled fish), chicken breast, lobster, crawfish, prawns, shrimps,crabmeat or kidneys for the other meal. Where the Italian breadsticks, the so-called grissini, are not available, one Melba toast may be usedinstead, though they are psychologically less satisfying. A Melbatoast has about the same weight as the very porous grissini which ismuch more to look at and to chew. In many countries specially prepared unsweetened and low Calorie foodsare freely available, and some of these can be tentatively used. Whenlocal conditions or the feeding habits of the population make changes necessary it must be borne in mind that the total daily intake mustnot exceed 500 Calories if the best possible results are to beobtained, that the daily ration should contain 200 grams of fat-freeprotein and a very small amount of starch. Just as the daily dose of HCG is the same in all cases, so the samediet proves to be satisfactory for a small elderly lady of leisure ora hard working muscular giant. Under the effect of HCG the obese body is always able to obtain all the Calories it needs from the abnormalfat deposits, regardless of whether it uses up 1500 or 4000 per day.It must be made very clear to the patient that he is living to a fargreater extent on the fat which he is losing than on what he eats. Many patients ask why eggs are not allowed. The contents of two goodsized eggs are roughly equivalent to 100 grams of meat, butfortunately the yolk contains a large amount of fat, which isundesirable. Very occasionally we allow egg - boiled, poached or raw - to patients who develop an aversion to meat, but in this case theymust add the white of three eggs to the one they eat whole. Incountries where cottage cheese made from skimmed milk is available 100grams may occasionally be used instead of the meat, but no other cheeses are allowed. " ***AND FINALLY HE SAYS*** " Few patients will take one's word for it that the slightest deviationfrom the diet has under HCG disastrous results as far as the weight is concerned. This extreme sensitivity has the advantage that thesmallest error is immediately detectable at the daily weighing butmost patients have to make the experience before they will believe it. " Vicky - who learned the hard way that the Good Dr. means what he says, and only lost 20 lbs during her P2 40 days...... Vicky RoweOwner & Webmistress,http://www.hcgloss.comLearn how lose weight for good with hCG using Pounds & Inches!Follow my progress on my blog at http://www.hcgloss.com/wordpress/ 211.4/190/135 (Whoohoo, on my way!!)Doing Zen of Michele P3 – just eat when you're hungry! >> go to www.happilythinnerafter.com - another support group for HcG.> The P2 cake on there is made with perfectly approved ingredients - NO FLOUR> or starch.> It is made with egg whites, cocoa and splenda. There are other great> recipes there too - all perfectly 'legal', healthy, etc. So, before you> assume that they are not - check out the site and learn something new - it> makes the long boring days 'survivable'. So, YES - you can eat cakeon P2 -> if it is this cake. . . .> -- Jodi StoddardHeartland BazaarYour Fashion Accessory & Gift Consultant509-786-4064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Hey Jodi, Yeah, I realized you weren't using a clinic after I posted, my bad. However, I still contend the chocolate cake isn't approved. Cocoa is *NOT* on the approved foods list, and the Good Dr. says that *any* deviation will affect both your loss rate, and your later ability to stabilize. Of course, everyone does what they prefer, but I stick to the letter of the study as much as I can, and don't eat things like cocoa during the VLCD/hCG phase of the diet. However that might be a good thing during stabilization.... The good doctor says: " The juice of one lemon daily is allowed for all purposes. Salt, pepper, vinegar, mustard powder, garlic, sweet basil, parsley, thyme, majoram, etc., may be used for seasoning, but no oil, butter or dressing. " <==Cocoa is not in this list, and it has fats and oils in it that are forbidden. No fat on the VLCD. The protocol also says that any food not listed is not allowed. When we are told to stop using oil-containing lotions and body-care products, consider the damage that cocoa, which is 20-25% fat, could do, long-term damage-wise to your losses and stabilization. This process is very precise, and he spent many years perfecting it. It's only 40 days, and *then* there is the cake, LOL. Use your own copy of the protocol to cross-check approved foods. Lots and *lots* of recipes with stuff in them that is not approved appear out there, and you are the only person who can police yourself.... Dr. Simeons also says: " The diet used in conjunction with HCG must not exceed 500 Calories per day, and ***the way these Calories are made up is of utmost importance***. ... There are a number of foods, particularly fruits and vegetables, which have the same or even lower caloric values than those listed as permissible, and yet we find that they interfere with the regular loss of weight under HCG, presumably owing to the nature of their composition. " I have looked at the happilythinner site, and see that most of it is members only. I haven't signed up yet. My site is open to all, and only forum posters need sign up. The site is devoted to the protocol and what works, including recommending that the VLCD phase be followed exactly according to Dr. Simeons process to ensure both the best losses and the best chance for stabilizing later. Remember, only 60-70% will stabilize well, according to Dr. Simeons' notes, and those that don't were probably the ones that that ate non-protocol foods, even a little bit. Give yourself the best chance to be in that stabilized group after you finish the hCG phase.... Vicky - who knows how badly cheats can hurt, I ate 4 bacon-wrapped scallops and lost 4 days of loss......I shudder to think what cocoa with all that oil might do.... Namaste, Vicky Rowe Owner & Webmistress, http://www.hcgloss.com Learn how lose weight for good with hCG using Pounds & Inches! Follow my progress on my blog at http://www.hcgloss.com/wordpress/ 211.4/190/135 (Whoohoo, on my way!!) Doing Zen of Michele P3 – just eat when you're hungry! Remember: Pain is inevitable, but suffering is *optional*! > > the recipe I received and quoted is on HappilyThinnerAfter.com - a website > devoted to HcG only. > > Did you read my email? I listed the ingredients - which are all P2 > approved. I am not going thru a clinic. I have read the Pounds and Inches > and I own Spinster and Trudeaus books which I have also studied > and read. You are preaching to the choir. > > Have you checked out the HappilyThinnerAfter website? They are devoted to > helping people be successful and are very strict on there. I thought that > was where this original email came from was that website??? > > Again - eggs ARE approved on the diet - this recipe only used egg whites - > and approved sweetners, There is nothing 'illegal' in this recipe. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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