Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Why do you want to eat peanut butter if you don't like it? Steve b. b12 shots and sleep > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > I am looking into trying b-12 injections. Probably my biggest > motivation > > for trying them is that my sleep is so poor. Some of my friends > who are on > > methylcobalamin shots report greatly improved sleep, deeper > sleep, and > > feeling more rested in the morning. > > > > However, since everything I ahve tried previously for energy has > made my > > insomnia worse, I'm not totally convinced that the b12 won't do > the same. > > Is there anyone here who has had insomnia caused by > methylcobalamin? I am > > also considering hydroxycobalamin, but wonder if it has the same > effect on > > sleep. Does anyone know? > > > > Also, I'd be really interested in hearing other people's > experiences with > > methylcobalamin, good, bad, or neutral. Thanks in advance for > your > > feedback! :-) > > > > Corina > > > > > > -- > > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ > > Like to read? Check out BookChat, my online reading group for > PWCs and > > their friends! Http://www.angelfire.com/bc/bookchat > > > > > > > > eGroups Sponsor > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences > with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested > in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 , I was told to avoid p.b. based on a test performed by Dr. Cheney but have substituted it with Almond Butter which I eat 4-5 times a week. Steve B. Re: PEANUT BUTTER > > > > > > It is the peanut that yields the results (buttering is not > > important)--- there are other foods or food combination too -- the > > goal is to have a rich diet in ALL of the components needed to make red > > blood cells - B12 is one of these (and we appear NOT to absorb it > > from food due to malabsorbtion -- but > > do absorb it from supplements). > > > > ==> REMEMBER Bell & Streeten reports CFIDS patients often have low > > red blood cell mass (total weight) SO trying to encourage the > > formation of more red blood cells is a logical response [and from > > Laurie and my experience -- a peanut butter sandwich seems to add a > > little extra pep if we are a little off...] > > > > When I was at my worst, I would have 2-3 peanut butter sandwiches a > > day -- I had a consistantly good feeling after each one (like my body > > was telling me that it hit the spot) > > > > > > M Lassesen, M.S. > > ex " Dr.Gui (MSDN) " , " Dr. VB " > > cv: http://www.folkarts.com/kenl/ KenL@... > > Phone: 360 297.4717 Cell: 360 509.8970 Fax 520 832.6836 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 It is the peanut that yields the results (buttering is not important)--- there are other foods or food combination too -- the goal is to have a rich diet in ALL of the components needed to make red blood cells - B12 is one of these (and we appear NOT to absorb it from food due to malabsorbtion -- but do absorb it from supplements). ==> REMEMBER Bell & Streeten reports CFIDS patients often have low red blood cell mass (total weight) SO trying to encourage the formation of more red blood cells is a logical response [and from Laurie and my experience -- a peanut butter sandwich seems to add a little extra pep if we are a little off...] When I was at my worst, I would have 2-3 peanut butter sandwiches a day -- I had a consistantly good feeling after each one (like my body was telling me that it hit the spot) M Lassesen, M.S. ex " Dr.Gui (MSDN) " , " Dr. VB " cv: http://www.folkarts.com/kenl/ KenL@... Phone: 360 297.4717 Cell: 360 509.8970 Fax 520 832.6836 PEANUT BUTTER IF there is one thing in the world I cannot stand its Peanut Butter! I think it must be psychological though as I can eat peanuts OK !! So......do you get the same benefits from eating salted peanuts or is there some thing in the " buttering " process that helps? And how much do you need to eat per day? Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 What torture! I looove peanut butter but it gives me cold sores. Apparently there's one ingredient in the p.b. that' responsible. Any substiutes? > Re: PEANUT BUTTER > > > It is the peanut that yields the results (buttering is not > important)--- there are other foods or food combination too -- the > goal is to have a rich diet in ALL of the components needed to make red > blood cells - B12 is one of these (and we appear NOT to absorb it > from food due to malabsorbtion -- but > do absorb it from supplements). > > ==> REMEMBER Bell & Streeten reports CFIDS patients often have low > red blood cell mass (total weight) SO trying to encourage the > formation of more red blood cells is a logical response [and from > Laurie and my experience -- a peanut butter sandwich seems to add a > little extra pep if we are a little off...] > > When I was at my worst, I would have 2-3 peanut butter sandwiches a > day -- I had a consistantly good feeling after each one (like my body > was telling me that it hit the spot) > > > M Lassesen, M.S. > ex " Dr.Gui (MSDN) " , " Dr. VB " > cv: http://www.folkarts.com/kenl/ KenL@... > Phone: 360 297.4717 Cell: 360 509.8970 Fax 520 832.6836 > ----- Original Message ----- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 > What torture! I looove peanut butter but it gives me cold sores. Apparently > there's one ingredient in the p.b. that' responsible. Watch out, because peanut allergies are common, and you may not know you have one. I fall asleep if I eat anything I'm allergic to, and my nose runs, but different people may have different symptoms. My doctor gave me the Meridian Valley food allergies test - I hadn't noticed before, but everything I came up allergic to provoked symptoms. There were so many allergens I hadn't realized that the symptoms were food-related. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 I really don't want to eat Peanut Butter.....I was just reading what Ken said about PB and red blood cell synthesis, and since I have had a long time raised MCV ( my red blood cells are too big) and have been investigated for this ( normal B12 and Folate and negative Schilling test) and no-one knows the answer, I thought it might be ......peanuts!! But not peanut butter! Anne > > > You may wish to consider the following model: > > > CFIDS appears to by hypoxia (shortage of oxygen delivery to the > > body) and one > > > symptom of hypoxia is insomnia. > > > Looking at ways to improve the delivery means less insomnia > > > > > > SO: > > > B12+ Peanut Butter --> all the raw ingrediants to produce red > > blood cells, thus more cells mean more > > > oxygen see http://www.folkarts.com/idef/peanut%5Fbutter.htm > > > Niacin and Vasciodilators (Grapeseed extract) expands the blood > > vessels allowing better flow... > > > Hale's breathing or a Rebreather increases CO2 (thus blood > > aciditiy) resulting in more O2 release from > > > red blood cells > > > Other anticoagulants ... improved flow of blood.... > > > > > > It may both explain why it works for some, but also the mechanicism > > by which the insomnia occurs and can be reduced.... > > > > > > M Lassesen, M.S. > > > ex " Dr.Gui (MSDN) " , " Dr. VB " > > > cv: http://www.folkarts.com/kenl/ KenL@e... > > > Phone: 360 297.4717 Cell: 360 509.8970 Fax 520 832.6836 > > > b12 shots and sleep > > > > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > I am looking into trying b-12 injections. Probably my biggest > > motivation > > > for trying them is that my sleep is so poor. Some of my friends > > who are on > > > methylcobalamin shots report greatly improved sleep, deeper > > sleep, and > > > feeling more rested in the morning. > > > > > > However, since everything I ahve tried previously for energy has > > made my > > > insomnia worse, I'm not totally convinced that the b12 won't do > > the same. > > > Is there anyone here who has had insomnia caused by > > methylcobalamin? I am > > > also considering hydroxycobalamin, but wonder if it has the same > > effect on > > > sleep. Does anyone know? > > > > > > Also, I'd be really interested in hearing other people's > > experiences with > > > methylcobalamin, good, bad, or neutral. Thanks in advance for > > your > > > feedback! :-) > > > > > > Corina > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- ~-~ > > > Like to read? Check out BookChat, my online reading group for > > PWCs and > > > their friends! Http://www.angelfire.com/bc/bookchat > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences > > with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested > > in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 According to my doctor, peanuts also can stimulate histamine production, so even if you don't have an allergy to peanuts, they can make your other allergies worse if you eat them frequently. Citrus foods, strawberries, some fish and dairy are also histamine stimulators. I've wondered if this is why I have problems with the undenatured whey proteins - not allergic to the whey, but it might be increasing other allergies I have. But I don't know if the undenatured whey proteins are histamine stimulators like other dairy products. On the subject of histamine, when you have elevated levels of histamine, it can pass into the brain and be substituted for some brain chemicals, causing fatigue and foggy thinking, which could probably make CFS worse. And as a contradiction, I've read that some people with CFS don't have enough histamine, so eating foods that are histamine stimulators might benefit them. lindaj@... Re: PEANUT BUTTER > > What torture! I looove peanut butter but it gives me cold sores. > Apparently > > there's one ingredient in the p.b. that' responsible. > > Watch out, because peanut allergies are common, and you may not know you > have one. I fall asleep if I eat anything I'm allergic to, and my nose > runs, but different people may have different symptoms. > > My doctor gave me the Meridian Valley food allergies test - I hadn't noticed > before, but everything I came up allergic to provoked symptoms. There were > so many allergens I hadn't realized that the symptoms were food-related. > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 , It's the high arginine in peanuts that is giving you cold sores. It encourages the growth of herpes simplex type I, which is latent in your body. You could try taking L-lysine along with the peanut butter. It's the lysine to arginine ratio that matters where the herpes simplex is concerned. Rich > What torture! I looove peanut butter but it gives me cold sores. Apparently > there's one ingredient in the p.b. that' responsible. > > Any substiutes? > > > > > > Re: PEANUT BUTTER > > > > > > It is the peanut that yields the results (buttering is not > > important)--- there are other foods or food combination too -- the > > goal is to have a rich diet in ALL of the components needed to make red > > blood cells - B12 is one of these (and we appear NOT to absorb it > > from food due to malabsorbtion -- but > > do absorb it from supplements). > > > > ==> REMEMBER Bell & Streeten reports CFIDS patients often have low > > red blood cell mass (total weight) SO trying to encourage the > > formation of more red blood cells is a logical response [and from > > Laurie and my experience -- a peanut butter sandwich seems to add a > > little extra pep if we are a little off...] > > > > When I was at my worst, I would have 2-3 peanut butter sandwiches a > > day -- I had a consistantly good feeling after each one (like my body > > was telling me that it hit the spot) > > > > > > M Lassesen, M.S. > > ex " Dr.Gui (MSDN) " , " Dr. VB " > > cv: http://www.folkarts.com/kenl/ KenL@e... > > Phone: 360 297.4717 Cell: 360 509.8970 Fax 520 832.6836 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Ken, What are some alternatives to peanuts/peanut butter? I eat it every night practically but the clincher here is that I am allergic to it so I get hives - lately all the time. I feel so much worse without it that I eat it anyway (in conjunction with hydroxy IMs) > It is the peanut that yields the results (buttering is not important)--- there are other foods or food combination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Peanut butter is high in arginine - not so good for herpes (cold sores, etc). This has confused me about eating it. What is in it that is helping make rbcs? > What torture! I looove peanut butter but it gives me cold sores. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Rich, do you know what the proper ratio is? >You could try taking L-lysine along with the peanut > butter. It's the lysine to arginine ratio that matters where the > herpes simplex is concerned. > > Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 You may just be having hives because of the histamine stimulating effects of peanuts. If you stop eating them for a while, and give your histamine levels time to slow down, you might find you can eat it occassinally without the hives. And/or consider taking Quercitin and Vit. C to help reduce histamine levels. I've learned from experience that what you may think you're allergic to, isn't always what you're allergic to. lindaj@... Re: PEANUT BUTTER > Ken, > > What are some alternatives to peanuts/peanut butter? I eat it every night > practically but the clincher here is that I am allergic to it so I get > hives - lately all the time. I feel so much worse without it that I eat it > anyway (in conjunction with hydroxy IMs) > > > > > It is the peanut that yields the results (buttering is not important)--- > there are other foods or food combination > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 , Sorry, no, I don't. There was an article about this in the Saturday Evening Post a few years ago. I'll try to dig it up. Rich > Rich, do you know what the proper ratio is? > > > > >You could try taking L-lysine along with the peanut > > butter. It's the lysine to arginine ratio that matters where the > > herpes simplex is concerned. > > > > Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 , thanks. I will try off the peanut butter for awhile. I keep trying to get to aplace where I can take the ACT that tests for hidden (delayed) allergic resoponses - but I need to be off antihistamines for at least 48 hours. So far every time I have tried that, the hives get so bad that my throat closes etc and I am forced back on. I have tried for the past three weeks. The test requires an early morning blood draw. The C and Quercitin (called a steriod bridge - the lab suggsted 1000 mg of Quecertin in morning and at night and 2 grams of C an hour) hasn't seemed YET to cut it either but there is always next week and another try... Thanks for your suggestions. > You may just be having hives because of the histamine stimulating effects of > peanuts. If you stop eating them for a while, and give your histamine levels > time to slow down, you might find you can eat it occassinally without the > hives. And/or consider taking Quercitin and Vit. C to help reduce histamine > levels. > > I've learned from experience that what you may think you're allergic to, > isn't always what you're allergic to. > > > lindaj@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Cort, You bring up something I forgot to mention in my posting of my regimen recommended by Cheney. He suggests an elimination diet where you exclude a particular food for a while and see if you feel better. If you do, you eliminate it, if you don't you continue eating it and eliminate another item and see the result. This is an oversimplification. I believe there have been books written on elimination diets. A rotation diet probably also makes sense for PWC's. Unfortunately, I've never been able to tie changes in my condition to changes in diet, although I haven't gone about it very methodically. It's a lot of work and a hassle. Steve Bullock b12 shots and sleep > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > I am looking into trying b-12 injections. Probably my biggest > > > motivation > > > > for trying them is that my sleep is so poor. Some of my friends > > > who are on > > > > methylcobalamin shots report greatly improved sleep, deeper > > > sleep, and > > > > feeling more rested in the morning. > > > > > > > > However, since everything I ahve tried previously for energy has > > > made my > > > > insomnia worse, I'm not totally convinced that the b12 won't do > > > the same. > > > > Is there anyone here who has had insomnia caused by > > > methylcobalamin? I am > > > > also considering hydroxycobalamin, but wonder if it has the same > > > effect on > > > > sleep. Does anyone know? > > > > > > > > Also, I'd be really interested in hearing other people's > > > experiences with > > > > methylcobalamin, good, bad, or neutral. Thanks in advance for > > > your > > > > feedback! :-) > > > > > > > > Corina > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ > > > > Like to read? Check out BookChat, my online reading group for > > > PWCs and > > > > their friends! Http://www.angelfire.com/bc/bookchat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences > > > with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested > > > in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 If no one researches up an alternative... I will try to get it done tonight or tomorrow... See http://www.hdsservices.com/vitmanchart.htm . The following are needed for forming red blood cells vitamin E Vitamin B6 Pyridoxine Vitamin B12 Cyanocobalamin Folic Acid (Folacin) Copper .... I'm reading and doing a code review on ~ 1 megabyte of code right now... I'm aware of the allergy problem -- it is just that PB is one of the CHEAPEST sources... M Lassesen, M.S. ex " Dr.Gui (MSDN) " , " Dr. VB " cv: http://www.folkarts.com/kenl/ KenL@... Phone: 360 297.4717 Cell: 360 509.8970 Fax 520 832.6836 Re: PEANUT BUTTER Ken, What are some alternatives to peanuts/peanut butter? I eat it every night practically but the clincher here is that I am allergic to it so I get hives - lately all the time. I feel so much worse without it that I eat it anyway (in conjunction with hydroxy IMs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 From an food allergy standpoint - which is important as Dr. Cheney notes the high incidence of food allergies in CFS - peanut butter is a poor choice - a very common food allergen. >From: " R. Bullock " <bullocks@...> >Reply-egroups ><egroups> >Subject: Re: PEANUT BUTTER >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:21:56 -0700 > >Why do you want to eat peanut butter if you don't like it? Steve b. > b12 shots and sleep > > > > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > I am looking into trying b-12 injections. Probably my biggest > > motivation > > > for trying them is that my sleep is so poor. Some of my friends > > who are on > > > methylcobalamin shots report greatly improved sleep, deeper > > sleep, and > > > feeling more rested in the morning. > > > > > > However, since everything I ahve tried previously for energy has > > made my > > > insomnia worse, I'm not totally convinced that the b12 won't do > > the same. > > > Is there anyone here who has had insomnia caused by > > methylcobalamin? I am > > > also considering hydroxycobalamin, but wonder if it has the same > > effect on > > > sleep. Does anyone know? > > > > > > Also, I'd be really interested in hearing other people's > > experiences with > > > methylcobalamin, good, bad, or neutral. Thanks in advance for > > your > > > feedback! :-) > > > > > > Corina > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ > > > Like to read? Check out BookChat, my online reading group for > > PWCs and > > > their friends! Http://www.angelfire.com/bc/bookchat > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences > > with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested > > in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 This is where this ACT could come in handy. It tests for delayed allergic reactions up to I think 4 days - which is the same time frame that most rotation diets and elimination protocols call for. ACT is given by...? Serramune Physicians Lab in PA, USA. > You bring up something I forgot to mention in my posting of my regimen > recommended by Cheney. He suggests an elimination diet where you exclude a > particular food for a while and see if you feel better. If you do, you > eliminate it, if you don't you continue eating it and eliminate another item > and see the result. This is an oversimplification. I believe there have > been books written on elimination diets. A rotation diet probably also > makes sense for PWC's. Unfortunately, I've never been able to tie changes > in my condition to changes in diet, although I haven't gone about it very > methodically. It's a lot of work and a hassle. Steve Bullock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Going about it methodically is the key, unfortunately for rotation diets. If someone with CFS is allergic to many foods then a rotation diet is the best. Eliminating a couple of foods may not show the real boost that rotating food groups will. I didn't notice a huge change by eliminating wheat,bananas, peanut butter from my diet but I did notice a huge change when I went on a rotation diet (which I ulitmately had to cut down because it gave my energy and my bad reaction, but thats another story) It is a hassle initially but ultimately its quite simple - since the goal is simplicity (a few foods at a meal is the ideal). So instead of having a multigrain cereal with milk and raisans you have whole wheat with nuts and water (I use water, its not bad). Instead of a muffin for a snack you have brazil nuts and a dried fruit. Instead of a teriyaki rice bowl you have rice and chicken. What you end up doing is buying a much larger variety of foods and combining individual items. You end up eating alot more fruits and vegies and using alot less sauces and dressings. Prepared foods are basically out. There are sources on the web. A book called Brain Allergies has the best single introduction I know of. >From: " R. Bullock " <bullocks@...> >Reply-egroups ><egroups> >Subject: Re: PEANUT BUTTER >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:07:55 -0700 > >Cort, > >You bring up something I forgot to mention in my posting of my regimen >recommended by Cheney. He suggests an elimination diet where you exclude a >particular food for a while and see if you feel better. If you do, you >eliminate it, if you don't you continue eating it and eliminate another >item >and see the result. This is an oversimplification. I believe there have >been books written on elimination diets. A rotation diet probably also >makes sense for PWC's. Unfortunately, I've never been able to tie changes >in my condition to changes in diet, although I haven't gone about it very >methodically. It's a lot of work and a hassle. Steve Bullock > b12 shots and sleep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > > > I am looking into trying b-12 injections. Probably my biggest > > > > motivation > > > > > for trying them is that my sleep is so poor. Some of my friends > > > > who are on > > > > > methylcobalamin shots report greatly improved sleep, deeper > > > > sleep, and > > > > > feeling more rested in the morning. > > > > > > > > > > However, since everything I ahve tried previously for energy has > > > > made my > > > > > insomnia worse, I'm not totally convinced that the b12 won't do > > > > the same. > > > > > Is there anyone here who has had insomnia caused by > > > > methylcobalamin? I am > > > > > also considering hydroxycobalamin, but wonder if it has the same > > > > effect on > > > > > sleep. Does anyone know? > > > > > > > > > > Also, I'd be really interested in hearing other people's > > > > experiences with > > > > > methylcobalamin, good, bad, or neutral. Thanks in advance for > > > > your > > > > > feedback! :-) > > > > > > > > > > Corina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > >~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ > > > > > Like to read? Check out BookChat, my online reading group for > > > > PWCs and > > > > > their friends! Http://www.angelfire.com/bc/bookchat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences > > > > with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested > > > > in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Actually, under the new FDA labeling guidelines, peanut butter already qualifies as a trans-fat free food. There is partially hydrogenated oil listed on the label, but it's a tiny amount. The trans fats in emulsified peanut butter (grocery store brands like Skippy and Jif) are 100 times lower than the proposed FDA guideline of .5g per 2 tablespoons. The Facts About Fat In Peanut Butter http://www.peanut-institute.org/04feb00_PeanutButter_Facts.html Now, I realize that the original research came from the Peanut Institute, but the study in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition is legit. (I looked it up on MedLine) and the Peanut Institute's claims have now been duplicated by Prevention magazine. I'll paste in what Prevention says: ---------------- Prevention magazine had a laboratory measure trans fat in four homogenized brands: Skippy, Jif, Pan and Finast (a supermarket label). The good news: The levels of trans fats per 2-tablespoon serving in all four brands were far lower than 0.5 gram. They were so low that, under proposed laws, they can legally claim 0 gram trans fat on labels. This confirms tests by the Peanut Institute that we reported last July. While only natural brands are totally trans-free, homogenized brands are ultralow in trans fat. What about Sugar? Again, we compared labels. Per 2-tablespoon serving, homogenized brands contain an average of 3 grams of sugar, while natural brands contain 2 grams. No meaningful difference there. So choose natural or homogenized, whichever you prefer. We think both are healthy. But we don't recommend homogenized reduced-fat peanut butter. You get less healthy monounsaturated fat, and you save few, if any, calories! ---------------- Now, why did I go to all this research trouble you ask? Because I eat 2-4 tablespoons of peanut butter a day. :-) I do it mostly to gross out Miche, but it also helps me with satiety and fat loss. I don't recommend eating nearly that much if you're following BFL by the book (my diet is almost 35% fat compared to BFL's 20%). Remember that peanut butter is not considered a protein source on BFL. It counts as fat and should be used in moderation. I just wanted to point out that peanut butter won't actually kill you if you like a little on your celery. I'm not responsible if you grab a spoon and eat a whole jar as a result of my research. :-) Re: Re: I Can't Believe it's Not Butter (a must read!) astramari02 wrote: > Not too mention...errr...trans-fatty acids. Have you seen that Smart Beat " butter " stuff that's billed as transfatty acid free? Serenity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Have you tried Peanut Wonder or Better 'n Peanut Butter (marketed under both names)? I love natural PB but also have tried this, and if you expect it to taste like PB, you'll hate it, but if you look at it more like a sweet peanut spread, you might like it like me. But I was procrastinating this weekend and started doing PB research! The Peanut Wonder has more carbs 13, and more sugar by a few grams (Peanut Wonder-5g, PB, 2g), but the Peanut Wonder saves 100 calories a serving and much of the fat (although I know it's good fat). Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 LOL, Ummm...babe, not that I don't appreciate the information, but we were kinda talking about BUTTER (mostly the fake stuff)..ya know, moo stuff. However, this is very accurate information...speaking as a peanut butter lover myself! I eat a teaspoon everyday and I also eat about 30-35% of my diet from fat...healthy of course, which qualifies pnut butter! It totally helps to satisfy me, since I've cut all sugar and trans-fats (TRYING) natural pnut butter is wonderful! Astra > > > Not too mention...errr...trans-fatty acids. > > Have you seen that Smart Beat " butter " stuff that's billed as transfatty > acid free? > Serenity > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 I too went the natural peanutbutter route in search of a healthier peanutbutter (or should I say to satisfy those cravings?) but found something else all you peanutbutter addicts might want to try instead.. Its called 'IM Healthy' SoybutButter ~ I get the honey chunky kind and you can find it in your local grocery store (Raleys for me) in the healthfood aisle ~ whats in it? Here's the stats: For TWO TABLESPOONS: Calories 170 Total Fat 11 grams (but only 1.5 is saturated) Carbohydrates: 12grams (and only 2 grams are sugar) Dietary fiber: 2 grams (we need all the fiber we can get) Protein: 7 grams!! (yes this is made from SOYnuts not a peanut in it!) <<joni>> *just another alternative to add in some variety* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 astra, how funny, right under where you said you were talking about BUTTER, you had a long post about PEANUT butter:)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2002 Report Share Posted June 10, 2002 Can't claim that one, hon. That was skwiggy baby's doing! I was cracking up, though! : > astra, how funny, right under where you said you were talking about > BUTTER, you had a long post about PEANUT butter:)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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