intro and my story

[Guest guest]

Hi Jerica, you will get plenty of support from this list. And don't feel bad

for not researching beforehand. You have since learnt the truth and have made

an educated decision. It is not our fault doctors do not inform us of the

dangers when we become new mothers. Unfortunately, I have vaxed my oldest child

up to 18 months. When I learned the truth about vax, I decided not to do any

more without research. Needless to say, the research led me to not vaxing ever

again.

I am so sorry you had to find out the way you did. I was lucky enough to have a

friend who pointed me in the right direction. And good on your sister for

making the same choice to not vax. It will be easier for you in the long run,

having the support from her. I can understand her reasons for not mentioning

her status to you. But, many of us feel it is worth the negative reactions we

may get, if we can save a child. It is hard. But worth it when someone listens

and starts to question for themselves.

Fieldman

Intro and my story

Hello all,

I just joined the list and thought I'd give an intro and my story. I'm

35 and had my first child in May. She had the Hep B in the hospital

because the nurse there told me it was required for school. I had been

treated for preeclampsia and was coming off magnesium sulfate and

didn't have any solid info to go on or any way to research. I trusted

the docs. (stupid me)

When we came home I noticed my baby would sometimes move her eyes back

and forth really fast like she was having some kind of little seizure.

I mentioned it to the doc but they just waved it off. It happened

quite a few times that first month or so but I still don't know what

it was.

We took her for her shots at 2 months and the nurse gave them -- soon

as she finished she said we could go home and left the room. As we put

the baby in the car seat (she had cried but was asleep pretty quickly

after) I noticed she looked very pale. My husband noticed as well but

we didn't think much of it because we had not had time to really read

the papers we were given. When a nurse comes in with a bunch of

syringes and papers and tells you to sign stuff you don't really feel

like they're giving you time for research. I guess again I was stupid

in not looking into this stuff before I went. I didn't have any idea

what the possible reactions could be.

Paleness was listed as a severe allergic reaction on the paper they

gave me, and this troubled me no end. I asked a couple more

pediatricians about it and everyone said she got pale because she was

" upset about the shots. " No one took it seriously except me and my

husband. I finally decided -- no more shots. I can't take that chance

now that she's already had a reaction. She had 7 vaccinations that day

(3 shots and one oral with one of the shots a combo shot). Now I have

no idea what caused the reaction, but the worst thing is that the

medical community gave me papers that said it's an allergic reaction

and no one is taking it seriously.

I reported it to the database but I hadn't told the doc within 30 days

(I second guessed myself all month). With all of the pro vaccine

posters and literature I was given, I felt maybe I was overreacting. I

didn't trust my own judgement. Better late than never though, I guess.

I started reading up on vaccines, reading the inserts of the stuff my

child was given (Pediarix among others), and I got a chance to talk to

my sister about it. Her 2 yr old daughter has a speech delay. She can

only say a few words and only just started saying actual words (Hi,

bye, etc.) recently. My sis told me that my niece had been talking and

then she took her for shots and after that was lethargic and

unresponsive for most of the day. (My sis probably didn't go to the ER

because she and I are alike in second guessing ourselves and trusting

docs!) We now think the vaccines adversely affected her abilities.

My sister didn't know that you could opt out (we're in Texas). I had

no idea, either! Everyone says these things are " required " and no one

mentions choice. My sister also had an issue with CPS and told me they

" forced " her to take the kids in for shots. She used that word. She

said she was told her kids would be taken away if she didn't get shots

for them and that the caseworker actually drove them to the clinic.

(!!!) My sister hadn't mentioned any of this to me because she

thought I was pro vaccine and that I'd judge her etc.

My question now is whether to claim a medical or religiuos exemption.

My investigations have allowed me to understand that I can claim

either or both because I now understand that these vaccines are

against my faith and I can not morally or in any way with a clear

conscience let my child have any more of them. I can claim medical

because of the reaction she had, but I think if I approach her

pediatrician then she won't sign the exemption and try to blow off the

whole reaction.

Also, I don't know of any pediatricians who are ok with parents making

choices on this issue in TX. I need some help finding a good doctor

for my child.

Thanks everyone.

Jerica

[Guest guest]

Hi Jerica!

I'm so sorry about what you went through and your sister too. Like

you, I was conned and my baby suffered tremendously. Big cyber hug

from me to you. I would highly recommend your sister reading up on

the Texas law and getting acquainted with a vaccine lawyer. Go to

www.thinktwice.com for potential lawyers in your area to fight the

CPS issue. It sounds like her civil rights were severely violated.

They will only walk all over you if you give them that power. That

is something to remember.

From what I am hearing, it is so much easier to do a religious

exemption because with a medical the doctor usually has to give a

time limit - what vaccines are exempt - blah blah blah.

In the meantime I would strongly suggest that you try to educate your

doctor. My son's pediatrician has been very open to everything...I

even gave her a copy of the Vaccine Safety Manual by Neil Z. .

She is the only doctor in my state now that will not pressure you to

vax or make you sign anything. I wouldn't doubt it if she leaves the

practice altogether too. She is an awesome doctor and very concerned

about kids. Truly in it for all of the right reasons....

Welcome and take care,

Dawn

>

> Hello all,

>

> I just joined the list and thought I'd give an intro and my story.

I'm

> 35 and had my first child in May. She had the Hep B in the hospital

> because the nurse there told me it was required for school. I had

been

> treated for preeclampsia and was coming off magnesium sulfate and

> didn't have any solid info to go on or any way to research. I

trusted

> the docs. (stupid me)

>

> When we came home I noticed my baby would sometimes move her eyes

back

> and forth really fast like she was having some kind of little

seizure.

> I mentioned it to the doc but they just waved it off. It happened

> quite a few times that first month or so but I still don't know what

> it was.

>

> We took her for her shots at 2 months and the nurse gave them --

soon

> as she finished she said we could go home and left the room. As we

put

> the baby in the car seat (she had cried but was asleep pretty

quickly

> after) I noticed she looked very pale. My husband noticed as well

but

> we didn't think much of it because we had not had time to really

read

> the papers we were given. When a nurse comes in with a bunch of

> syringes and papers and tells you to sign stuff you don't really

feel

> like they're giving you time for research. I guess again I was

stupid

> in not looking into this stuff before I went. I didn't have any idea

> what the possible reactions could be.

>

> Paleness was listed as a severe allergic reaction on the paper they

> gave me, and this troubled me no end. I asked a couple more

> pediatricians about it and everyone said she got pale because she

was

> " upset about the shots. " No one took it seriously except me and my

> husband. I finally decided -- no more shots. I can't take that

chance

> now that she's already had a reaction. She had 7 vaccinations that

day

> (3 shots and one oral with one of the shots a combo shot). Now I

have

> no idea what caused the reaction, but the worst thing is that the

> medical community gave me papers that said it's an allergic reaction

> and no one is taking it seriously.

>

> I reported it to the database but I hadn't told the doc within 30

days

> (I second guessed myself all month). With all of the pro vaccine

> posters and literature I was given, I felt maybe I was

overreacting. I

> didn't trust my own judgement. Better late than never though, I

guess.

>

> I started reading up on vaccines, reading the inserts of the stuff

my

> child was given (Pediarix among others), and I got a chance to talk

to

> my sister about it. Her 2 yr old daughter has a speech delay. She

can

> only say a few words and only just started saying actual words (Hi,

> bye, etc.) recently. My sis told me that my niece had been talking

and

> then she took her for shots and after that was lethargic and

> unresponsive for most of the day. (My sis probably didn't go to the

ER

> because she and I are alike in second guessing ourselves and

trusting

> docs!) We now think the vaccines adversely affected her abilities.

>

> My sister didn't know that you could opt out (we're in Texas). I had

> no idea, either! Everyone says these things are " required " and no

one

> mentions choice. My sister also had an issue with CPS and told me

they

> " forced " her to take the kids in for shots. She used that word. She

> said she was told her kids would be taken away if she didn't get

shots

> for them and that the caseworker actually drove them to the clinic.

> (!!!) My sister hadn't mentioned any of this to me because she

> thought I was pro vaccine and that I'd judge her etc.

>

> My question now is whether to claim a medical or religiuos

exemption.

> My investigations have allowed me to understand that I can claim

> either or both because I now understand that these vaccines are

> against my faith and I can not morally or in any way with a clear

> conscience let my child have any more of them. I can claim medical

> because of the reaction she had, but I think if I approach her

> pediatrician then she won't sign the exemption and try to blow off

the

> whole reaction.

>

> Also, I don't know of any pediatricians who are ok with parents

making

> choices on this issue in TX. I need some help finding a good doctor

> for my child.

>

> Thanks everyone.

> Jerica

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Jerica! Sorry it took a bad experience to bring you here, though. You

are very observant for a first time mom to figure out what was happening with

your daughter.

Actually, for exemptions, you likely can't claim a medical exemption because it

has to be signed by a doctor. If you did get the doc to agree, this wouldn't

mean you could opt out of all vaccines, just the vaccines, or the component in

them, that your doc states there was a reaction to.

You're better off with a religious exemption anyway. Use it when the time comes.

It is NOT necessary now unless you enroll your child in daycare/school. Real

life doesn't require vaccination.

That stupid nurse who told you the Hep B was required for school should be aware

of exemptions and she should also know that you are not required to have the Hep

B vaccine at birth. You can get them all right before school starts. Depending

on your state laws, they might say wait a certain number of weeks/months in

between but you do NOT have to start at birth and follow any " recommended

schedule. "

Anyway, welcome!

Winnie

Intro and my story

Vaccinations

> Hello all,

>

> I just joined the list and thought I'd give an intro and my

> story. I'm

> 35 and had my first child in May. She had the Hep B in the hospital

> because the nurse there told me it was required for school. I

> had been

> treated for preeclampsia and was coming off magnesium sulfate and

> didn't have any solid info to go on or any way to research. I trusted

> the docs. (stupid me)

>

> When we came home I noticed my baby would sometimes move her

> eyes back

> and forth really fast like she was having some kind of little seizure.

> I mentioned it to the doc but they just waved it off. It happened

> quite a few times that first month or so but I still don't know what

> it was.

>

> We took her for her shots at 2 months and the nurse gave them -- soon

> as she finished she said we could go home and left the room. As

> we put

> the baby in the car seat (she had cried but was asleep pretty quickly

> after) I noticed she looked very pale. My husband noticed as

> well but

> we didn't think much of it because we had not had time to really read

> the papers we were given. When a nurse comes in with a bunch of

> syringes and papers and tells you to sign stuff you don't really feel

> like they're giving you time for research. I guess again I was stupid

> in not looking into this stuff before I went. I didn't have any idea

> what the possible reactions could be.

>

> Paleness was listed as a severe allergic reaction on the paper they

> gave me, and this troubled me no end. I asked a couple more

> pediatricians about it and everyone said she got pale because

> she was

> " upset about the shots. " No one took it seriously except me and my

> husband. I finally decided -- no more shots. I can't take that chance

> now that she's already had a reaction. She had 7 vaccinations

> that day

> (3 shots and one oral with one of the shots a combo shot). Now I have

> no idea what caused the reaction, but the worst thing is that the

> medical community gave me papers that said it's an allergic reaction

> and no one is taking it seriously.

>

> I reported it to the database but I hadn't told the doc within

> 30 days

> (I second guessed myself all month). With all of the pro vaccine

> posters and literature I was given, I felt maybe I was

> overreacting. I

> didn't trust my own judgement. Better late than never though, I guess.

>

> I started reading up on vaccines, reading the inserts of the

> stuff my

> child was given (Pediarix among others), and I got a chance to

> talk to

> my sister about it. Her 2 yr old daughter has a speech delay.

> She can

> only say a few words and only just started saying actual words (Hi,

> bye, etc.) recently. My sis told me that my niece had been

> talking and

> then she took her for shots and after that was lethargic and

> unresponsive for most of the day. (My sis probably didn't go to

> the ER

> because she and I are alike in second guessing ourselves and trusting

> docs!) We now think the vaccines adversely affected her abilities.

>

> My sister didn't know that you could opt out (we're in Texas). I had

> no idea, either! Everyone says these things are " required " and

> no one

> mentions choice. My sister also had an issue with CPS and told

> me they

> " forced " her to take the kids in for shots. She used that word. She

> said she was told her kids would be taken away if she didn't get shots

> for them and that the caseworker actually drove them to the clinic.

> (!!!) My sister hadn't mentioned any of this to me because she

> thought I was pro vaccine and that I'd judge her etc.

>

> My question now is whether to claim a medical or religiuos exemption.

> My investigations have allowed me to understand that I can claim

> either or both because I now understand that these vaccines are

> against my faith and I can not morally or in any way with a clear

> conscience let my child have any more of them. I can claim medical

> because of the reaction she had, but I think if I approach her

> pediatrician then she won't sign the exemption and try to blow

> off the

> whole reaction.

>

> Also, I don't know of any pediatricians who are ok with parents making

> choices on this issue in TX. I need some help finding a good doctor

> for my child.

>

> Thanks everyone.

> Jerica

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone!

My name is Connie and I live in , SD.

I wanted to tell you about my lap band experience and ask

Anyone if they've had a similar experience or knew anyone that did..

I was banded 1-11-08 in South Dakota. I started out at 250 pounds.

No matter what I did I wasn't really losing weight. The doctor that did the

Lap for me moved out of state and I got a new doctor. A very respected

Surgeon in my city.

Finally in January of this year, I had a barium swallow test and found I

Also had a stricture in my lower esophagus..My doctor did an EGD and found I

Had a hiatal hernia that was coming up through my band, and my band wasn't

Positioned correctly, it was too low.

So I had a hiatal hernia repair and lap band revision where he moved the

Band up.

I immediately felt the difference, I had never really felt full before.

Shortly after that I started pbing all the time. I have no fluid at all in

my band. He did another barium Swallow and it showed that only a trickle of

fluid was going through to my Stomach. The rest was just sitting at the

bottom of my esophagus and I was Pbing it back up. I then started waking up

several times a night coughing And choking and having to throw up. I'm so

afraid I'm going to choke to Death or aspirate into my lungs and end up with

aspiration pneumonia.

He did another EGD this last week to try to dilate things. It didn't work.

So now he wants to do some sort of study this coming week where they put a

Catheter down my nose into my esophagus and stomach to see if my esophagus

is relaxing like It should.

He also said he'd possibly do another EGD and try and dilate again or to go

in and remove a stitch or 2 From my diaphragm from my hernia repair.

I'm thinking my doctor doesn't have a clue what is wrong and is grasping at

Straws. I'm so far in debt from this procedure now, I'll never get out. All

In all I've only lost 46 pounds in a year and a half. Most this year because

I can't keep anything down!!

I'd really appreciate some opinions from all of you. I'm so confused, I'm

About ready to have the band removed and forget it.

I'm getting more and more depressed over this and just want it fixed, I can

t live like this!!

I just re-read my previous statement, I am depressed but not THAT depressed

Ok??

Thanks for letting my vent!

Connie

[Guest guest]

Connie,

So glad you decided to come here and post to this group.There are alot of

very knowledgeable people here.I am sure Sandy,Dan and a few others may have

some advise for you.I know nothing about your issues but glad you came here.Good

luck with finding answers and take care.

SharonS

In , " Connie " <connie6344@...> wrote:

>

> Hi everyone!

> My name is Connie and I live in , SD.

> I wanted to tell you about my lap band experience and ask

> Anyone if they've had a similar experience or knew anyone that did..

>

> I was banded 1-11-08 in South Dakota. I started out at 250 pounds.

> No matter what I did I wasn't really losing weight. The doctor that did the

> Lap for me moved out of state and I got a new doctor. A very respected

> Surgeon in my city.

> Finally in January of this year, I had a barium swallow test and found I

> Also had a stricture in my lower esophagus..My doctor did an EGD and found I

> Had a hiatal hernia that was coming up through my band, and my band wasn't

> Positioned correctly, it was too low.

> So I had a hiatal hernia repair and lap band revision where he moved the

> Band up.

> I immediately felt the difference, I had never really felt full before.

> Shortly after that I started pbing all the time. I have no fluid at all in

> my band. He did another barium Swallow and it showed that only a trickle of

> fluid was going through to my Stomach. The rest was just sitting at the

> bottom of my esophagus and I was Pbing it back up. I then started waking up

> several times a night coughing And choking and having to throw up. I'm so

> afraid I'm going to choke to Death or aspirate into my lungs and end up with

> aspiration pneumonia.

> He did another EGD this last week to try to dilate things. It didn't work.

> So now he wants to do some sort of study this coming week where they put a

> Catheter down my nose into my esophagus and stomach to see if my esophagus

> is relaxing like It should.

> He also said he'd possibly do another EGD and try and dilate again or to go

> in and remove a stitch or 2 From my diaphragm from my hernia repair.

> I'm thinking my doctor doesn't have a clue what is wrong and is grasping at

> Straws. I'm so far in debt from this procedure now, I'll never get out. All

> In all I've only lost 46 pounds in a year and a half. Most this year because

> I can't keep anything down!!

> I'd really appreciate some opinions from all of you. I'm so confused, I'm

> About ready to have the band removed and forget it.

> I'm getting more and more depressed over this and just want it fixed, I can

> t live like this!!

> I just re-read my previous statement, I am depressed but not THAT depressed

> Ok??

> Thanks for letting my vent!

> Connie

>

>