Brownstein on Iodine and autoimmune diseases

[Guest guest]

I just got finished reading Brownstein's book about iodine, and he seems to be recommending iodine for most thyroid conditions (under supervision).However, I came across this, which seems to contradict this position for people with autoimmune conditions. unfortunately, autoimmune disease, in particular, Hashimoto's is the cause of most hypothyroid situations.does anyone know what is going on here?:Q. Is That So? The Claim: All Thyroid Patients Should Take Iodine excerpt:Hormone expert Brownstein, MD, also offers caution regarding iodine.Iodine supplementation in those that have an autoimmune thyroid problem can be akin to pouring gas over a fire. However, with hypothyroid conditions that are not autoimmune in nature, iodine-containing foods can actually help the thyroid function better. personally, I have Hashimotos', and I've been fine so far (but only been on it for almost 2 months). I have nails for the first time in my life. but I see from the article that Shomondid not do well.

[Guest guest]

Is that a symptom of low thyroid? My nails have been difficult also.

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> personally, I have Hashimotos', and I've been fine so far (but only

> been on it for almost 2 months).  I have nails for the first time in

> my life. 

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[Guest guest]

Confused here, too. Does he retract this belief?

>

> I just got finished reading Brownstein's book about iodine, and he seems

> to be recommending iodine for most thyroid conditions (under

> supervision).

>

> However, I came across this, which seems to contradict this position for

> people with autoimmune conditions. unfortunately, autoimmune disease,

> in particular, Hashimoto's is the cause of most hypothyroid situations.

>

> does anyone know what is going on here?:

>

> Q. Is That So? The Claim: All Thyroid Patients Should Take Iodine

> <http://thyroid.about.com/od/isthatso/f/iodine.htm>

> excerpt:

> Hormone expert Brownstein, MD, also offers caution regarding

> iodine.

>

> Iodine supplementation in those that have an autoimmune thyroid problem

> can be akin to pouring gas over a fire. However, with hypothyroid

> conditions that are not autoimmune in nature, iodine-containing foods

> can actually help the thyroid function better.

>

> personally, I have Hashimotos', and I've been fine so far (but only been

> on it for almost 2 months). I have nails for the first time in my life.

> but I see from the article that Shomondid not do well.

>

[Guest guest]

Brownstein did retract/modify his earlier position [below]

re Hashi/autoimmune thyroid.

Nevertheless, my personal experience tracks with his

earlier position.

Hashi patients vary in how they respond to high iodine -

unpredictable. You can try it and see. If you've been

taking for 2 mo with no hashi aggravation, you

probably won't have a problem. I speculate that most Hashi

aggravations - hyperthyroid, thyrotoxic, or thyroid

inflammation problems - show up within a few days to a month

(3-4 days later was my own experience).

Carol W.

willis_protocols

[see also my Links>Hormones>Thyroid folder]

[brownstein's earlier position:]

> > Q. Is That So? The Claim: All Thyroid Patients Should Take Iodine

> > <http://thyroid.about.com/od/isthatso/f/iodine.htm>

> > excerpt:

> > Hormone expert Brownstein, MD, also offers

> > caution regarding iodine.

> >

> > Iodine supplementation in those that have an

> > autoimmune thyroid problem

> > can be akin to pouring gas over a fire.

> > However, with hypothyroid

> > conditions that are not autoimmune in nature,

> > iodine-containing foods

> > can actually help the thyroid function better.

[Guest guest]

hi carol, i read your file as well as your post on your previous

experience. both were helpful-- thank you.

i'll be honest, i'm having a hard time knowing what to attribute what

symptom to and each group seems to have it's own theory and bent. i

know it's all interconnected and must be treated incrementally as a

system, but this is not my field at all so feeling a little

overwhelmed and underqualified.

so just trying to sort it out. ty-- heidi

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>

> Brownstein did retract/modify his earlier position [below]

> re Hashi/autoimmune thyroid.

>

> Nevertheless, my personal experience tracks with his

> earlier position.

>

> Hashi patients vary in how they respond to high iodine -

> unpredictable. You can try it and see. If you've been

> taking for 2 mo with no hashi aggravation, you

> probably won't have a problem. I speculate that most Hashi

> aggravations - hyperthyroid, thyrotoxic, or thyroid

> inflammation problems - show up within a few days to a month

> (3-4 days later was my own experience).

>

>

> Carol W.

> willis_protocols

> [see also my Links>Hormones>Thyroid folder]

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you are referring to the fact that he used to say no iodine for AIT

issues then yes. He no longer says this. He recommends iodine for all

conditions.

Steph

Re: Brownstein on Iodine and autoimmune diseases

> Confused here, too. Does he retract this belief?

>>

>> I just got finished reading Brownstein's book about iodine, and he seems

>> to be recommending iodine for most thyroid conditions (under

>> supervision).

>>

>> However, I came across this, which seems to contradict this position for

>> people with autoimmune conditions. unfortunately, autoimmune disease,

>> in particular, Hashimoto's is the cause of most hypothyroid situations.

>>

>> does anyone know what is going on here?:

>>

>> Q. Is That So? The Claim: All Thyroid Patients Should Take Iodine

>> <http://thyroid.about.com/od/isthatso/f/iodine.htm>

>> excerpt:

>> Hormone expert Brownstein, MD, also offers caution regarding

>> iodine.

>>

>> Iodine supplementation in those that have an autoimmune thyroid problem

>> can be akin to pouring gas over a fire. However, with hypothyroid

>> conditions that are not autoimmune in nature, iodine-containing foods

>> can actually help the thyroid function better.

>>

>> personally, I have Hashimotos', and I've been fine so far (but only been

>> on it for almost 2 months). I have nails for the first time in my life.

>> but I see from the article that Shomondid not do well.

>>

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[Guest guest]

It's good to survey the field, hear a wide variety of

viewpoints and experience, but ultimately you have to have

your own experience. And we'd love to hear all about it,

in detail. :-)

Carol W.

> >

> >

> > Brownstein did retract/modify his earlier position [below]

> > re Hashi/autoimmune thyroid.

> >

> > Nevertheless, my personal experience tracks with his

> > earlier position.

> >

> > Hashi patients vary in how they respond to high iodine -

> > unpredictable. You can try it and see. If you've been

> > taking for 2 mo with no hashi aggravation, you

> > probably won't have a problem. I speculate that most Hashi

> > aggravations - hyperthyroid, thyrotoxic, or thyroid

> > inflammation problems - show up within a few days to a month

> > (3-4 days later was my own experience).

> >

> >

> > Carol W.

> > willis_protocols

> > [see also my Links>Hormones>Thyroid folder]

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol and all,

I am new to this group and had hyper issues when taking Lugol's on

skin several times. I also broke out on my face and back each time. I

thought it was detox . . .but why would I feel so hypo and and

sometimes hyper at the same time. Palitations, terrible blood flow,

cold legs, feet, and hands, hair fall out, thick skin around tipos of

fingers, dry facial skin etc. I think when I am hypo I get the racing

heart and palps.

I am going to try to intoduce Iodine in very slowly again but this

time in pill form and see if I have the same reactions. I would like

to get my progesterone levels up and can't take Progesterone(tried 15

times). I get lots of swelling. I've understand the iodine will help

raise progesterone and also it has helped my breast tissue i the past.

Thanks for listening and any input would be appreciated.

Best wishes,

Sue T

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> > >

> > >

> > > Brownstein did retract/modify his earlier position [below]

> > > re Hashi/autoimmune thyroid.

> > >

> > > Nevertheless, my personal experience tracks with his

> > > earlier position.

> > >

> > > Hashi patients vary in how they respond to high iodine -

> > > unpredictable. You can try it and see. If you've been

> > > taking for 2 mo with no hashi aggravation, you

> > > probably won't have a problem. I speculate that most Hashi

> > > aggravations - hyperthyroid, thyrotoxic, or thyroid

> > > inflammation problems - show up within a few days to a month

> > > (3-4 days later was my own experience).

> > >

> > >

> > > Carol W.

> > > willis_protocols

> > > [see also my Links>Hormones>Thyroid folder]

>

[Guest guest]

" Sue T " <morabshadow@...> wrote:

> I ... had hyper issues when taking Lugol's on

> skin several times. I also broke out on my face

> and back each time. I

> thought it was detox . . .but why would I feel

> so hypo and and

> sometimes hyper at the same time. Palitations,

> terrible blood flow,

> cold legs, feet, and hands, hair fall out,

> thick skin around tipos of

> fingers, dry facial skin etc. I think when

> I am hypo I get the racing heart and palps.

> ...any input would be appreciated.

>

> Best wishes,

> Sue T

I've had some racing heart and palps, or on slightest

exertion, when hypo or hyper. Most people think of hypo

as slow heartbeat, but especially in Hashi it can have

a fast heartbeat at times. Thyroid is a delicate balance.

High iodine can give hyper or hypo symptoms, or both,

or be just fine. Detox and then fine is another route.

These are all documented possibilities.

I had to abandon it, but many flourish. To each his own,

and more power to ya. :-)

Carol W.

[Guest guest]

hi Sue

what dose of Lugols were you taking? b/c hyper symptoms might be an indication that you need increased dose (Lugols was once used to treat hyperthyroidism). Also your adrenal glands might be unable to cope.

I am taking 100mg Iodoral per day and still need 250mg progesterone cream.

Gracia

Hi Carol and all,I am new to this group and had hyper issues when taking Lugol's on skin several times. I also broke out on my face and back each time. I thought it was detox . . .but why would I feel so hypo and and sometimes hyper at the same time. Palitations, terrible blood flow, cold legs, feet, and hands, hair fall out, thick skin around tipos of fingers, dry facial skin etc. I think when I am hypo I get the racing heart and palps.I am going to try to intoduce Iodine in very slowly again but this time in pill form and see if I have the same reactions. I would like to get my progesterone levels up and can't take Progesterone(tried 15 times). I get lots of swelling. I've understand the iodine will help raise progesterone and also it has helped my breast tissue i the past.Thanks for listening and any input would be appreciated.Best wishes,Sue T?---

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[Guest guest]

Hi all, I have hashimotos and had never been able to consume any

iodine what-so-ever including multi-vitamins w/iodine or even eating

shellfish for that matter. I would get the pricklies and itchies, I

would call them, all over my body. Finally after reading Dr.

Brownstein's book, I decided to jump in and give it a try, starting

out with Lugol's then changing to Iodoral. I am now up to 3 Iodoral's

daily with no problems. It has taken some time to get this far

because I started out with real small doses and have been increasing

very, very slowly. As soon as I get to 4 Iodoral's (50mg) I plan on

taking the urine iodine test. I have to say that since I have been

doing this an ovarian cyst that I have had for years (I am way

menopausal), has started to shrink. Also my breast thermograms are

improving. I am also using progesterone cream so a combination of the

two could be working together. Just thought I'd relate my experience

with this to show that some hashi people can take iodine and I think

need it. V

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Brownstein did retract/modify his earlier position [below]

> > > > re Hashi/autoimmune thyroid.

> > > >

> > > > Nevertheless, my personal experience tracks with his

> > > > earlier position.

> > > >

> > > > Hashi patients vary in how they respond to high iodine -

> > > > unpredictable. You can try it and see. If you've been

> > > > taking for 2 mo with no hashi aggravation, you

> > > > probably won't have a problem. I speculate that most Hashi

> > > > aggravations - hyperthyroid, thyrotoxic, or thyroid

> > > > inflammation problems - show up within a few days to a month

> > > > (3-4 days later was my own experience).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Carol W.

> > > > willis_protocols

> > > > [see also my Links>Hormones>Thyroid folder]

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's great ! Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Steph

Re: Brownstein on Iodine and autoimmune diseases

> Hi all, I have hashimotos and had never been able to consume any

> iodine what-so-ever including multi-vitamins w/iodine or even eating

> shellfish for that matter. I would get the pricklies and itchies, I

> would call them, all over my body. Finally after reading Dr.

> Brownstein's book, I decided to jump in and give it a try, starting

> out with Lugol's then changing to Iodoral. I am now up to 3 Iodoral's

> daily with no problems. It has taken some time to get this far

> because I started out with real small doses and have been increasing

> very, very slowly. As soon as I get to 4 Iodoral's (50mg) I plan on

> taking the urine iodine test. I have to say that since I have been

> doing this an ovarian cyst that I have had for years (I am way

> menopausal), has started to shrink. Also my breast thermograms are

> improving. I am also using progesterone cream so a combination of the

> two could be working together. Just thought I'd relate my experience

> with this to show that some hashi people can take iodine and I think

> need it. V

>

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>> > > >

>> > > > Brownstein did retract/modify his earlier position [below]

>> > > > re Hashi/autoimmune thyroid.

>> > > >

>> > > > Nevertheless, my personal experience tracks with his

>> > > > earlier position.

>> > > >

>> > > > Hashi patients vary in how they respond to high iodine -

>> > > > unpredictable. You can try it and see. If you've been

>> > > > taking for 2 mo with no hashi aggravation, you

>> > > > probably won't have a problem. I speculate that most Hashi

>> > > > aggravations - hyperthyroid, thyrotoxic, or thyroid

>> > > > inflammation problems - show up within a few days to a month

>> > > > (3-4 days later was my own experience).

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > Carol W.

>> > > > willis_protocols

>> > > > [see also my Links>Hormones>Thyroid folder]

>> >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Carol, , and Gracia,

I appreciate everyone's input and experience. I am going to start in

tiny doses of Iodine maybe 50 mcg and work up to Iodoral over a month

or so. My adrenals are almost flat lined so I am increasing that too,

but with my newly diagnoses(self and saliva)celiac I swell up so much.

My gut has a hard time with steroids. I swell up with ANY food.

2 years ago when I was trying Lugols, then . . . my Urine Doctor's Data

Iodide was 3 times higher that the high red. Does that mean I was

taking way to much and did not need any or was it my body trying to get

rid of something it did'nt want?

Best wishes,

Sue T