Chlorides, Magnesium and Bromide elimination

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Elimination of the bromides is accelerated by the salt loading protocol that is promoted by the MD's using hi does iodoral treatments. This is due to the chlorides in sodium chloride, not the sodium.

Even with recommendations for use of good quality unrefined sea salts, there will still be those who may have problems with an increased sodium load in this protocol. Though sodium is still a controversial topic, it seems that too high a sodium load has bearing on cardiovascular problems. Some people are definitely sodium sensitive. It has even been recommended that salt be restricted if candida overgrowth is present.

Dr. Mark Sircus wants people to understand that Magnesium chloride from natural sources can supply the chlorides (without the sodium) needed to eliminate the bromides, while at the same time, providing crucial magnesium which is also necessary to any successful detoxification program

"Chloride competes with bromide at the renal level and increases the renal clearance of bromide thus magnesium chloride is ideal for magnesium supplementation. Some patients require up to 2 years of iodine therapy to bring post loading urine bromide levels below 10 mg/24 hr, if chloride load is not included in the bromine detoxification program."[ii]

Dr. Brownstein promotes the use of magnesium as a supplement "synergistic" to treatment with iodine.

"As with using any nutritional supplement, a comprehensive holistic treatment plan provides the best results. Magnesium is an important part of the iodine treatment plan. Magnesium deficiency is very common. Magnesium is nature’s relaxing agent. Magnesium levels (via red blood cell magnesium levels) should be assessed and supplementation instituted. Magnesium supplementation will likely ensure optimal results with iodine" [iii]

Use of Magnesium oil can provide multiple benefits to those struggling with most of the problems expressed here in this group. I am very happy to see that Dr. Brownstein is going to be providing magnesium oil as part of his treatment protocol and recommendations. It is a natural “nutritional food” now so lacking in our daily diets, soils, and stripped from processing of the foods provided us. It should go hand in hand with any iodine supplementation and the reasons are numerous. Supplementation transdermally (topically) also avoids the digestive problems associated with oral intake of magnesium supplements, and ensures it will be absorbed at necessary levels.

Bromides are not the only problem, Iodine is known to also be active in elimination of heavy metals such as lead, mercury, cadmium and chemicals such as the perchlorates which are a byproduct of rocket fuel, alarmlingly showing up in our food supplies and bloodstreams. All of these can have a depressant or negative effect on thyroid functioning, as can pesticides we’re exposed to and adequate magnesium is protective of our cells against damage done by all of these.

French RN, LPHAAssistant Director International Medical Veritas Associationhttp://www.imva.info/

MagnesiumForLifehttp://www.magnesiumforlife.com/

Rauws, A.G., Pharmacokinetics of Bromide Ion-An Overview. Fd. Chem. Toxic., 21:379-382, 1983

[ii] Iodine and Chelation; Mark Sircus Ac., OMD; http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine2.htm

[iii] Iodine, the Rest of the Story; Brownstein M.D.; http://vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art1860 & zTYPE=2

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If I recall the bromide research correctly from the Bromide Dominance Theory research page, potassium chloride is not capable of displacing the bromide nearly as well as sodium chloride, if at all. The chloride seems to need the sodium to work.

http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedominancetheory

Lynne

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Lynn,

The site you pointed me to does not talk about the potassium chloride at all. It talks about another toxin, potassium bromide. I checked through some of the other iodine sites and recommendations by Shevin concerning his salt protocol and he and the others seem to concur that it is the chlorides and not the sodium making the difference in bromide detox, though one study showed the half life of bromide is shortened due to the sodium and sodium is easy to get. I'm definitely interested in learning more about this so I welcome your input and direction to appropriate site.

Dr. Shevin on Iodine4health states himself: “Iodine supplementation causes bromine to be released from within the tissues of the body, into the bloodstream, and if this happens rapidly and in sufficient quantities, produces toxic symptoms. This is treated with salt (the chloride ion flushes the bromine into the urine) and may necessitate the reduction of the iodine dosage. Bromide Lecture by Dr Shevin

And in Dr. brownsteins article on Iodine4Health, he also talks about the chlorides in salt being the necessary ingredient for adequate bromine elimination.

"Salt contains approximately 40% to 50% chloride. Chloride and bromine compete for reabsorption in the kidneys. When there is a decreased amount of chloride in the body (which is common in low-salt diets), less bromine will be excreted from the kidneys resulting in elevated bromine levels. Increasing the amount of chloride in the diet will allow the kidneys to release more bromine into the urine for excretion"

I would appreciate if you could point me to the information where this is discussed and where soidium attached to chloride is the only effective means of combatting these detox effects.

I have been informed that there is one MD who is going to be trying Magnesium Chloride instead of sodium Chloride for bromide detox, because he felt it would work. Hopefully we'll hear how it goes from him.

The iodine protocol for breast cancer includes magnesium supplementation, and I believe that magnesium chloride in the form of natural magnesium oil can indeed provide some of the chloride load to either prevent or allay some of the associated bromide detox symptoms.

Thanks,

Re: Chlorides, Magnesium and Bromide elimination

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If I recall the bromide research correctly from the Bromide Dominance Theory research page, potassium chloride is not capable of displacing the bromide nearly as well as sodium chloride, if at all. The chloride seems to need the sodium to work.

http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedominancetheory

Lynne

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What you say about additional toxins being detoxed besides bromides

strikes a chord with me. I've read people on here who started out

taking 50 mg of iodine w/o detoxing effects, and others with minor

detoxing.

By contrast, I began taking Iodoral, going from 1/2 tab to 3 tabs/dy

within a week. In retrospect, thanks to reading this group and the

links, I realized I had a significant amount of detoxing, with a whole

lot of symptoms. I'm sure it was detoxing because they ceased as soon

as I stopped the Iodoral.

What I find specially curious is I've had many of these symptoms,to

varying degrees, during my life. Do detoxing symptoms normally

reflect, or bring out, one's own innate health issues? Or is this

coincidence [i rarely believe in coincidence]? Or maybe its just a

resident overload of toxins, [which would go back to innate health

issues I guess]? All of the above? Other?

Any thoughts would be appreciated?

>Bromides are not the only problem, Iodine is known to also be active

>in elimination of heavy metals such as lead, mercury, cadmium and

>chemicals such as the perchlorates which are a byproduct of rocket

>fuel, alarmlingly showing up in our food supplies and bloodstreams.

>All of these can have a depressant or negative effect on thyroid

>functioning, as can pesticides we're exposed to and adequate

>magnesium is protective of our cells against damage done by all of

>these.

>

> Elimination of the bromides is accelerated by the salt loading

protocol that is promoted by the MD's using hi does iodoral

treatments. This is due to the chlorides in sodium chloride, not the

sodium.

>

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Toxins can definitely affect specific weak areas in a person's body more than other areas and thus detox symptoms can also occur in specific body parts when they are being eliminated.

There are many ways such as using sauna, clay, etc. to ensure these toxins are getting out of the body and not just being distributed elsewhere. Ensuring proper elimination in addition to chelation/detoxification is crucial.

Adequate mineral support , especially with magnesium provides the body its ability to maintain a strong immune system through it all.

Re: Chlorides, Magnesium and Bromide elimination

What you say about additional toxins being detoxed besides bromidesstrikes a chord with me. I've read people on here who started outtaking 50 mg of iodine w/o detoxing effects, and others with minordetoxing. By contrast, I began taking Iodoral, going from 1/2 tab to 3 tabs/dywithin a week. In retrospect, thanks to reading this group and thelinks, I realized I had a significant amount of detoxing, with a wholelot of symptoms. I'm sure it was detoxing because they ceased as soonas I stopped the Iodoral.What I find specially curious is I've had many of these symptoms,tovarying degrees, during my life. Do detoxing symptoms normallyreflect, or bring out, one's own innate health issues? Or is thiscoincidence [i rarely believe in coincidence]? Or maybe its just aresident overload of toxins, [which would go back to innate healthissues I guess]? All of the above? Other?Any thoughts would be appreciated?>Bromides are not the only problem, Iodine is known to also be active>in elimination of heavy metals such as lead, mercury, cadmium and>chemicals such as the perchlorates which are a byproduct of rocket>fuel, alarmlingly showing up in our food supplies and bloodstreams.>All of these can have a depressant or negative effect on thyroid>functioning, as can pesticides we're exposed to and adequate>magnesium is protective of our cells against damage done by all of>these. >> Elimination of the bromides is accelerated by the salt loadingprotocol that is promoted by the MD's using hi does iodoraltreatments. This is due to the chlorides in sodium chloride, not thesodium. >