Re: Zoe...your post from Brownstien's new book....

[Guest guest]

I totally agree! I've cut and paste many of the quotes, and some from

your post/message #21 on, I believe, the same book, in a email to my

doctor. He is alternative so I think he will be interested. He treats

adrenal, thyroid and estrogen dominance - I think this may be

the " missing link " for his treatment, since I'm doing so much better

since adding iodine.

Thanks so much!

Sharon

> are fabulous! Thank you so much for all the time and work you're

> putting into them.

>

> I really appreciate each one of them!

[Guest guest]

Ditto, this is juicy stuff.

On 2/26/06, sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote:

I totally agree! I've cut and paste many of the quotes, and some from your post/message #21 on, I believe, the same book, in a email to my doctor. He is alternative so I think he will be interested. He treats adrenal, thyroid and estrogen dominance - I think this may be the " missing link " for his treatment, since I'm doing so much better since adding iodine. Thanks so much!Sharon> are fabulous! Thank you so much for all the time and work you're > putting into them. > > I really appreciate each one of them!

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Dear , Sharon, Lynn, and others,

I am so glad you found the excerpts from Brownstein's book valuable! I think he has done something extraordinary in creating this small, yet incredibly useful, book on Iodine. The second edition is even better than the first.

And I'm glad you are considering getting your own copy. It is an excellent resource for anyone supplementing with Iodine.

I had a lot of resistance to getting the second edition just a month after I had purchased the first edition. However, I am very glad I did. There is so much new information.

Abraham and Brownstein have provided us with something truly amazing.

Sincerely,

Zoe

Ditto, this is juicy stuff.

On 2/26/06, sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote: I totally agree! I've cut and paste many of the quotes, and some from your post/message #21 on, I believe, the same book, in a email to my doctor. He is alternative so I think he will be interested. He treats adrenal, thyroid and estrogen dominance - I think this may be the "missing link" for his treatment, since I'm doing so much better since adding iodine. Thanks so much!Sharon> are fabulous! Thank you so much for all the time and work you're > putting into them. > > I really appreciate each one of them!

[Guest guest]

> I had a lot of resistance to getting the second edition just a

month after I had purchased the first edition. However, I am very

glad I did. There is so much new information.

>

> Abraham and Brownstein have provided us with something truly

amazing.

Hi Zoe,

I just got my second edition Iodine book and I admit I was somewhat

disappointed in some of it. The new version also raised some

important questions. First, though, I want to say that I agree that

Brownstein and Abraham have done a great job getting people to be

iodine-informed and for that I am appreciative. But some of the

reporting in this book is not well-documented.

In particular, I was disappointed with the chapter on estrogen and

iodine. He basically repeats and concurs with 's

assertions that iodine can help maintain the correct balance of the

three estrogens,specifically that Lugol " will help the body

metabolize the estrogen to favor the safer form of estrogen -

estriol. " This is fine if you are one of those women who are

estrogen-dominant and this whole theory may have gotten way too much

press over the years. Dr. Vliet in her books claims that there are

more women than we think who are low estrogen, esp considering women

who have been on the birth control pill.

is a proponent of tri-est and not everyone agrees

that is the best way to go about supplementing BHRT, however I am

not going to argue that point here, but it will point you towards

his bias.

Estriol helps make the vagina juicier and is thought to be safer

because it does not tend to build uterine lining and therefore the

dreaded big C word.

Now iodine may well have this effect on estrogen, but is it

desirable for most women? Estriol does not do much for brain fog or

joint aches or any other unpleasant menopausal symptoms. I think it

is very important that the researchers look more carefully at what

iodine does to women's estrogen levels and how that makes them feel,

both young and old.

I had hoped to see at least actual data in this either his or

s showing the three estrogen numbers after using iodine for

how long and what the ages of the women were and were they pre-meno

or post-meno.

I was intrigued with the chapter (see p.120/121) on breast cancer

women and normal women who were iodine deficient. He was shocked to

find that the iodine deficient b.c. women had " signficantly " higher

bromide and fluoride levels. This was a very small study of 8 b.c.

women and 10 normal women, so please keep this in mind! In research

circles this would be thought of as " interesting " and needing more

research to really say anything meaningful.

And even after iodine levels had gone up, the bromide levels did not

come down after 30 days post 50mg Iodoral/day! Apparently it is not

an easy task to get bromide or fluoride levels down, even when

iodine levels have been raised substantially! Brownstein recommends

people take high dose C, magnesium, take Celtic Salt and correct

their pH to help detox the body.

So all this raises more questions than answers in my mind.

Will iodine eventually detox bromide and fluoride? Is iodine

deficiency alone a big risk factor for breast cancer? Or are the

combination of iodine and high bromide/fluoride levels the risk

factors. In that case we should be testing not only our iodine

levels but our bromide and fluoride levels as well.

And then the big question is, how are we going the get rid of

those? Even Brownstein admits that his bromide levels are still up

there even after one year of iodine supplementation. Is it going to

take years or do we need to find other ways to get rid of those

toxic halogens?

Sorry this was long.

Madeleen

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Zoe -

Like you I have just gotten my copy of the first edition a month ago, but based on your recommendation I am going to buy the second edition. Where did you get yours?

Mike Early

Re: Re: Zoe...your post from Brownstien's new book....

Dear , Sharon, Lynn, and others,

I am so glad you found the excerpts from Brownstein's book valuable! I think he has done something extraordinary in creating this small, yet incredibly useful, book on Iodine. The second edition is even better than the first.

And I'm glad you are considering getting your own copy. It is an excellent resource for anyone supplementing with Iodine.

I had a lot of resistance to getting the second edition just a month after I had purchased the first edition. However, I am very glad I did. There is so much new information.

Abraham and Brownstein have provided us with something truly amazing.

Sincerely,

Zoe

Ditto, this is juicy stuff.

On 2/26/06, sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote: I totally agree! I've cut and paste many of the quotes, and some from your post/message #21 on, I believe, the same book, in a email to my doctor. He is alternative so I think he will be interested. He treats adrenal, thyroid and estrogen dominance - I think this may be the "missing link" for his treatment, since I'm doing so much better since adding iodine. Thanks so much!Sharon> are fabulous! Thank you so much for all the time and work you're > putting into them. > > I really appreciate each one of them!

[Guest guest]

Mike, I got it from Brownstein's site:

Iodine: Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without It, 2nd Ed To purchase book on Brownstein's site; gives table of contents http://www.drbrownstein.com/iodine.shtml

I found about 75% of the book to be identical. However, there were some significant additions that made it worth it to me--especially the discussion of estrogen and iodine, the new information on bromine and bromine detox, info on perchlorate, new case studies, and his comments on Abraham's research on saliva/serum iodide levels. It was definitely worth $15 plus postage to me. Whether it will be worth that to you, I can't say.

Maybe you can gift your 1st edition to a good friend....

Zoe

Like you I have just gotten my copy of the first edition a month ago, but based on your recommendation I am going to buy the second edition. Where did you get yours?

Mike Early

[Guest guest]

Dear Madeleen,

I certainly agree that I wish Brownstein's book were better documented. He frequently makes an intriguing statement without providing adequate documentation. He gains in readability, but makes it difficult to follow up on his ideas.

This is particularly true in the estrogen section. Everyone seems to be suggesting that there is a link between iodine and estrogen, but I have not yet come across a really good discussion of this issue. Do you happen to have the article he refers to? Do you know of anyone who has put together a few paragraphs on (1) the major questions re iodine and estrogen, (2) what do we know so far, and (3) what are possible next steps?

You bring up some important questions: "Will iodine eventually detox bromide and fluoride? Is iodine deficiency alone a big risk factor for breast cancer? Or are the combination of iodine and high bromide/fluoride levels the risk factors. In that case we should be testing not only our iodine levels but our bromide and fluoride levels as well. And then the big question is, how are we going the get rid of [the toxic halides]?"

Thanks for your thoughtful letter.

Zoe

Re: Zoe...your post from Brownstien's new book....

> I had a lot of resistance to getting the second edition just a month after I had purchased the first edition. However, I am very glad I did. There is so much new information.> > Abraham and Brownstein have provided us with something truly amazing.Hi Zoe,I just got my second edition Iodine book and I admit I was somewhat disappointed in some of it. The new version also raised some important questions. First, though, I want to say that I agree that Brownstein and Abraham have done a great job getting people to be iodine-informed and for that I am appreciative. But some of the reporting in this book is not well-documented. In particular, I was disappointed with the chapter on estrogen and iodine. He basically repeats and concurs with 's assertions that iodine can help maintain the correct balance of the three estrogens,specifically that Lugol "will help the body metabolize the estrogen to favor the safer form of estrogen -estriol." This is fine if you are one of those women who are estrogen-dominant and this whole theory may have gotten way too much press over the years. Dr. Vliet in her books claims that there are more women than we think who are low estrogen, esp considering women who have been on the birth control pill. is a proponent of tri-est and not everyone agrees that is the best way to go about supplementing BHRT, however I am not going to argue that point here, but it will point you towards his bias. Estriol helps make the vagina juicier and is thought to be safer because it does not tend to build uterine lining and therefore the dreaded big C word. Now iodine may well have this effect on estrogen, but is it desirable for most women? Estriol does not do much for brain fog or joint aches or any other unpleasant menopausal symptoms. I think it is very important that the researchers look more carefully at what iodine does to women's estrogen levels and how that makes them feel, both young and old. I had hoped to see at least actual data in this either his or s showing the three estrogen numbers after using iodine for how long and what the ages of the women were and were they pre-meno or post-meno.I was intrigued with the chapter (see p.120/121) on breast cancer women and normal women who were iodine deficient. He was shocked to find that the iodine deficient b.c. women had "signficantly" higher bromide and fluoride levels. This was a very small study of 8 b.c. women and 10 normal women, so please keep this in mind! In research circles this would be thought of as "interesting" and needing more research to really say anything meaningful.And even after iodine levels had gone up, the bromide levels did not come down after 30 days post 50mg Iodoral/day! Apparently it is not an easy task to get bromide or fluoride levels down, even when iodine levels have been raised substantially! Brownstein recommends people take high dose C, magnesium, take Celtic Salt and correct their pH to help detox the body. So all this raises more questions than answers in my mind. Will iodine eventually detox bromide and fluoride? Is iodine deficiency alone a big risk factor for breast cancer? Or are the combination of iodine and high bromide/fluoride levels the risk factors. In that case we should be testing not only our iodine levels but our bromide and fluoride levels as well.And then the big question is, how are we going the get rid of those? Even Brownstein admits that his bromide levels are still up there even after one year of iodine supplementation. Is it going to take years or do we need to find other ways to get rid of those toxic halogens?Sorry this was long. Madeleen

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> This is particularly true in the estrogen section. Everyone seems

to be suggesting that there is a link between iodine and estrogen,

but I have not yet come across a really good discussion of this

issue. Do you happen to have the article he refers to? Do

you know of anyone who has put together a few paragraphs on (1) the

major questions re iodine and estrogen, (2) what do we know so far,

and (3) what are possible next steps?

Zoe, I do not know any researcher who has seriously looked at the

question of the interaction of iodine and estrogen. I am concerned

that not better data is being presented or even looked at carefully

for that matter.

Below is what I can find on estriol and iodine from . I will

assume that he is correct that iodine changes the metabolism of

estrogen in favor of the weaker estriol. But we need to be more

aware of what this does to women's hormone levels and if that is

desirable for everyone.

What I would propose is that women have their 3 estrogens

(estradiol, estrone and estriol) checked regularly along with their

thyroid TSH, free T3 and free T4, before and during iodine

supplementation.

An analogy here would be what happens to a hypothyroid person if

he/she is told to eat lots of goitrogen foods such as broccoli (good

against cancer)? Not such a good idea for a hypothyroid person,

right?!

See below for s articles:

http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/estrogen2.shtml

" It has been my clinical observation, not published in the

scientific literature, that when women have low estriol and more

estrone and estradiol - remember Dr. Lemon's theory that low estriol

levels represent a cancer risk - added iodine helps to raise the

levels of estriol and concomitantly lower the levels of estrone and

estradiol (which are more procarcinogenic). I don't know how it

works, but I've seen it work enough times since I first observed it

in the 1970s that I know it's true. "

And another reference where discusses estrogen and iodine

(SSKI in his case)see

http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/hrtbreastcancer.shtml.

Madeleen

>

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I would post a hypothesis about estrogen and iodine from my studies

about thyroid disease, which I have studied MANY years. It is a well

known fact that estrogen binds thyroid hormones, where they are useless

to the body and cannot enter the cells. Thyroid hormones are made up of

iodine. I wonder if the estrogen that binds the thyroid also becomes

useless to the body and simply passes out. Now this is a long stretch

but I am just thinking out loud... This may well be from the iodine in

thyroid hormones.

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Val,

I hope I am not violating rules here but something posted on the Iodine forum may help to answer your question in part. So, I will re-post it here hoping not to infringe on anyone. Lee

> This is particularly true in the estrogen section. Everyone seems to be suggesting that there is a link between iodine and estrogen, but I have not yet come across a really good discussion of this issue. Do you happen to have the article he refers to? Do you know of anyone who has put together a few paragraphs on (1) the major questions re iodine and estrogen, (2) what do we know so far, and (3) what are possible next steps? Zoe, I do not know any researcher who has seriously looked at the question of the interaction of iodine and estrogen. I am concerned that not better data is being presented or even looked at carefully for that matter.Below is what I can find on estriol and iodine from . I will assume that he is correct that iodine changes the metabolism of estrogen in favor of the weaker estriol. But we need to be more aware of what this does to women's hormone levels and if that is desirable for everyone. What I would propose is that women have their 3 estrogens (estradiol, estrone and estriol) checked regularly along with their thyroid TSH, free T3 and free T4, before and during iodine supplementation. An analogy here would be what happens to a hypothyroid person if he/she is told to eat lots of goitrogen foods such as broccoli (good against cancer)? Not such a good idea for a hypothyroid person, right?! See below for s articles:http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/estrogen2.shtml"It has been my clinical observation, not published in the scientific literature, that when women have low estriol and more estrone and estradiol - remember Dr. Lemon's theory that low estriol levels represent a cancer risk - added iodine helps to raise the levels of estriol and concomitantly lower the levels of estrone and estradiol (which are more procarcinogenic). I don't know how it works, but I've seen it work enough times since I first observed it in the 1970s that I know it's true."And another reference where discusses estrogen and iodine (SSKI in his case)seehttp://www.tahoma-clinic.com/hrtbreastcancer.shtml

>I would post a hypothesis about estrogen and iodine from my studies about thyroid disease, which I have studied MANY years. It is a well known fact that estrogen binds thyroid hormones, where they are useless to the body and cannot enter the cells. Thyroid hormones are made up of iodine. I wonder if the estrogen that binds the thyroid also becomes useless to the body and simply passes out. Now this is a long stretch but I am just thinking out loud... This may well be from the iodine in thyroid hormones

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well

> known fact that estrogen binds thyroid hormones, where they are

useless

> to the body and cannot enter the cells. Thyroid hormones are made up

of

> iodine. I wonder if the estrogen that binds the thyroid also becomes

> useless to the body and simply passes out.

Wow does this ever open another can of worms for me. I had a complete

hysterectomy last July and have been on estradiol ever since. I don't

want to take it, don't know that I need to take it, but am afraid of

the horror stories I've heard of those who've gone without. It would

explain how my problems just snowballed starting 6 weeks after the

surgery which led me to discover the hypo...something I've suspected

for 14 years! I'm interested to learn more about iodine's relationship

to the estrogen. I wish I had more time to research this.

W

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I had a complete hyst when I was 27 years old, probably from being

under treated for hypothyroidism. I took Premarin for years and needed

it. I was taken off it for 6 months right after the surgery and you

don't WANT to go there! Now if you are close to the age of meno anyway

you might can slip by without it, but to take it for a while is a good

idea. NORMAL estrogen levels will not cause hypothyroidism. It is when

you get into estrogen dominance that it binds so much thyroid that you

will become hypo or MORE hypo if you already were. As long as your

doctor is monitoring your estrogen levels to keep your meds where they

should be for your age, you should be fine, and the hypo was probably

brewing all along, maybe even causing the need for your hysterectomy as

hypothyroidism is also known to cause Endometriosis which was why I have

to have all mine out.

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