Re[5]: Daily Multi Vitamins

[Guest guest]

Hi again, a few more comments below.

Thursday, December 20, 2007, 4:58:08 AM, you wrote:

> That had many feminine touches in it. I've lost 20kg or 40 something pounds in

4 months

> so I know I should be happy for this achievement.

That's 44 pounds (20 kilos x 2.2) in four months or 11 pounds a month,

which is MUCH faster than average of 4 to 8 pounds a month, or 1 to 2

pounds a week.

So you should be VERY happy. Really. You're doing great.

> But in the same instance, I see these

> failures creeping back and it feels like a diet of yesteryear and that I'm

sabotaging

> myself once again.

You're not failing. You're just not being as perfect as you think you

" should be " . And to pull out another old AA saying (we have hundreds

of them): " don't should on yourself " .

> I've got 6ml in a 10ml band. Not much goes down but if it does, I can

> eat a fair whack of it.

That's actually the idea, of course. We're so used to " cleaning our

plate " and having giant servings it is really HARD to get to the idea

that we really only NEED a little bit, and the band helps to limit us

to that amount (more or less, all depending, etc)

> I can only just get my medications down in the mornings

> (unfortunately has to be mornings) so I am scared to get any further fills as

I have

Sounds like you're filled plenty tight. I'm same way in morning.

Other than this week when working graveyards (and that ends in about

three hours) I'm normally up at 0500 every day. It is rare for me to

try to eat anything solid before about noon. Earlier I have coffee

(which does a good job at dissolving my morning pills) and lots of

water. Some times I'll have a 200 calorie protein drink (10 grams of

protein), but not regularly. If it is a morning that I'm going out for

a run, I'll usually have a protein drink, and will take gatorade with

me.

> been overfilled once before and do not want to go through that again.

Same here. And it cost me about 1500 dollars to get the unfill, as

had to fly to Mexico, etc, etc. Learned my lesson on that one. And

it was indeed a case of thinking I was smarter than the doc who did

the fill. He did it under fluoro and said it was too tight. No, I

was too " smart " and said it was fine. WRONG!!

> I have to make a

> success of this. I've told tooooooo many people and would definitely feel the

fool. I

> did this on purpose to keep myself accountable. I guess I just put my

" naughtiness " in

> writing to admit it to myself.

Really, there shouldn't be any shame or thought of naughtiness.

Really. Of coruse that's easier said than done. RIght?

> is right and I know it is tough love but as we all

> know it's hard to hear. I don't eat chocolates, cakes, lollies, fast foods or

anything

> like that - never have done.

That's good. I've also never been a big sweeets eater, and have never

liked butter or hard candy or anything like that. Chocolate is ok,

but never have done a lot of that. For me a lot of it was growing up

pretty poor and never being sure what or when we'd eat next.

> It's the savoury snacks at night that have always killed me.

Can you fill my tired brain in on what the snacks are that you mean?

I'm familiar with the term in general but don't know what it means to

you. For me it would be cheese, olives, things that are high fat and

calorie.

And of course it just is NOT FAIR that we're tight in the morning when

ideally we'd have our biggest meal to get us going, and not tight in the

evening when we're HALT (horny, angry, lonely, tired) (or variations

on those...but you get the idea). But as I often say, if your mama

promised you life would be fair she was lying or stupid.

> My husband works away but he has

> holidays all of January.

Can I ask what he does? Drive truck? Mining? Oil rigs? Military?

Merchant marine?

> It's funny because when he's home, I loose weight.

One reason is you're not in HALT mode.

> He's never

> had a weight problem and is 10 years younger than me so definitely don't want

him to see

> me snacking. Thanks for the hugs.

That part sounds like you see him as " the inspector of your eating " or

something like that. Is that part of it? Is he critical of your

weight? If so, that's one of those things that can be difficult. For

a year or so I had a girlfriend who tried to " control me " and every

bite I ate. Finally I realized all I was doing was fighting her about

it (and much was passive/aggressive like eating in secret, when not

with her, etc). That was one of several reasons it ended. She was

trying to " fix me " and " make me a better person " . Fortunately Gail

and I both want each other to be at a healthy weight, but ONLY so

we'll be the healthiest we can be, and we'll live happily as long as

possible.

If there is an issue with your husband about your weight, I hope you

two can talk about it so that you won't be ashamed (or criticized by

him) if you have an occasional snack, or don't lose quite as quickly

as some people. How long has it been since he's seen you?

More hugs, dear ,

Wish could get to your side of Australia next December, but don't

think it can happen.

dan

--

" It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA

Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

[Guest guest]

Dan,

Yes snacks for me are savoury biscuits full of salt and fat, cheeze, salami etc.

My husband Dave works on a drill rig in the mining industry. He drills the holes

for the explosives to go into.

He does have an issue with my weight. Prior to meeting him, I had just ended an

awful 8 year abusive relationship and lost all of my weight to find a new man.

He kind of figures I tricked him. I know I looked good back then but within 1

year had stacked a lot back on. We've been married 7 years now and after 2

children and many illnesses the worst being rheumatoid arthritis diagnosed 3

years ago, he's ready to trade me in. I say it as a joke but sometimes I look at

what he's being landed with and wonder what he might think. He is supportive

generally but I've failed at weight loss so many times he thinks it's just

another one of my adventures. When I am down to goal weight he is a very jealous

person and part of me thinks that he may actually benefit from me being

overweight. I could go into a lot more in detail but just thought I'd give you a

general idea.

Yes it is a shame you can't make it to the West. I think it's the best part of

Australia but I'm biased. Anyway thanks for the chat Dan.

> Dan Lester <honu@...> wrote:

>

> Hi again, a few more comments below.

>

> Thursday, December 20, 2007, 4:58:08 AM, you wrote:

>

> > That had many feminine touches in it. I've lost 20kg or 40 something

> pounds in 4 months

> > so I know I should be happy for this achievement.

>

> That's 44 pounds (20 kilos x 2.2) in four months or 11 pounds a month,

> which is MUCH faster than average of 4 to 8 pounds a month, or 1 to 2

> pounds a week.

>

> So you should be VERY happy. Really. You're doing great.

>

> > But in the same instance, I see these

> > failures creeping back and it feels like a diet of yesteryear and that

> I'm sabotaging

> > myself once again.

>

> You're not failing. You're just not being as perfect as you think you

> " should be " . And to pull out another old AA saying (we have hundreds

> of them): " don't should on yourself " .

>

> > I've got 6ml in a 10ml band. Not much goes down but if it does, I can

> > eat a fair whack of it.

>

> That's actually the idea, of course. We're so used to " cleaning our

> plate " and having giant servings it is really HARD to get to the idea

> that we really only NEED a little bit, and the band helps to limit us

> to that amount (more or less, all depending, etc)

>

> > I can only just get my medications down in the mornings

> > (unfortunately has to be mornings) so I am scared to get any further

> fills as I have

>

> Sounds like you're filled plenty tight. I'm same way in morning.

> Other than this week when working graveyards (and that ends in about

> three hours) I'm normally up at 0500 every day. It is rare for me to

> try to eat anything solid before about noon. Earlier I have coffee

> (which does a good job at dissolving my morning pills) and lots of

> water. Some times I'll have a 200 calorie protein drink (10 grams of

> protein), but not regularly. If it is a morning that I'm going out for

> a run, I'll usually have a protein drink, and will take gatorade with

> me.

>

> > been overfilled once before and do not want to go through that again.

>

> Same here. And it cost me about 1500 dollars to get the unfill, as

> had to fly to Mexico, etc, etc. Learned my lesson on that one. And

> it was indeed a case of thinking I was smarter than the doc who did

> the fill. He did it under fluoro and said it was too tight. No, I

> was too " smart " and said it was fine. WRONG!!

>

> > I have to make a

> > success of this. I've told tooooooo many people and would definitely

> feel the fool. I

> > did this on purpose to keep myself accountable. I guess I just put my

> " naughtiness " in

> > writing to admit it to myself.

>

> Really, there shouldn't be any shame or thought of naughtiness.

> Really. Of coruse that's easier said than done. RIght?

>

> > is right and I know it is tough love but as we all

> > know it's hard to hear. I don't eat chocolates, cakes, lollies, fast

> foods or anything

> > like that - never have done.

>

> That's good. I've also never been a big sweeets eater, and have never

> liked butter or hard candy or anything like that. Chocolate is ok,

> but never have done a lot of that. For me a lot of it was growing up

> pretty poor and never being sure what or when we'd eat next.

>

> > It's the savoury snacks at night that have always killed me.

>

> Can you fill my tired brain in on what the snacks are that you mean?

> I'm familiar with the term in general but don't know what it means to

> you. For me it would be cheese, olives, things that are high fat and

> calorie.

>

> And of course it just is NOT FAIR that we're tight in the morning when

> ideally we'd have our biggest meal to get us going, and not tight in the

> evening when we're HALT (horny, angry, lonely, tired) (or variations

> on those...but you get the idea). But as I often say, if your mama

> promised you life would be fair she was lying or stupid.

>

> > My husband works away but he has

> > holidays all of January.

>

> Can I ask what he does? Drive truck? Mining? Oil rigs? Military?

> Merchant marine?

>

> > It's funny because when he's home, I loose weight.

>

> One reason is you're not in HALT mode.

>

> > He's never

> > had a weight problem and is 10 years younger than me so definitely

> don't want him to see

> > me snacking. Thanks for the hugs.

>

> That part sounds like you see him as " the inspector of your eating " or

> something like that. Is that part of it? Is he critical of your

> weight? If so, that's one of those things that can be difficult. For

> a year or so I had a girlfriend who tried to " control me " and every

> bite I ate. Finally I realized all I was doing was fighting her about

> it (and much was passive/aggressive like eating in secret, when not

> with her, etc). That was one of several reasons it ended. She was

> trying to " fix me " and " make me a better person " . Fortunately Gail

> and I both want each other to be at a healthy weight, but ONLY so

> we'll be the healthiest we can be, and we'll live happily as long as

> possible.

>

> If there is an issue with your husband about your weight, I hope you

> two can talk about it so that you won't be ashamed (or criticized by

> him) if you have an occasional snack, or don't lose quite as quickly

> as some people. How long has it been since he's seen you?

>

> More hugs, dear ,

>

> Wish could get to your side of Australia next December, but don't

> think it can happen.

>

> dan

>

> --

> " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon

> Jovi

> Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA

> Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

> Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana