Re: cal/mag supp was Correction

[Guest guest]

Carol B:

"I just checked my cal product. It's from NOW and also contains magnesium, D, Zinc, Copper and Manganese. The problem is that there is double the cal to mag ratio as opposed to the other way around. Also, the mag form is oxide and aspartate."

I am taking a product I am happy with called Ionic Fizz by Pure Essence.

If you don't consume dairy, they recommend the one that includes calcium (which is in about a 1:1 ratio). If you do consume dairy, they recommend the one without calcium.

I take one scoop each day, since I get cal and mag in my multi as well. I usually take it before bed and it helps with relaxation. I have taken it during the day, and it provides some immediate energy. It also includes a bit of B-12 in the conezyme form. I have even taken it for a headache, and sometimes it helps with that (not always for my headaches though).

I also take cod liver oil for extra D (and A).

-Olif

[Guest guest]

That was my concern (the double cal). I have osteoporosis and was

taking it for that although with my past experience I'm not sure it's

doing anything for me. Now I see that mag is actually more needed

than cal. So much controversy out there. UGH! LOL I was wondering

about adding Mag to that at double the dose of the cal. Isn't

aspartate a chelated version? Not sure about oxide. I'm looking into

Magnesium Glycinate which was listed in the links (previous post) and

sounded real good. I do do dairy. I was just waiting for some replys

to my posts before I ordered anything. Day two on 4 tabs Idoral

(didn't do the loading test. Just went for it). My muscles have been

throbbing (head as well) along with cramping, charlie horses, breasts

the same way. But I think it's die off from the candida (taking three

lac) which is actually a good sign. I'm exhausted after being gone

all day but I'm going back out in a bit and will definately sleep

well tonight. :-) Thanks, Carol B

>

> Carol B:

> " I just

> checked my cal product. It's from NOW and also contains magnesium,

D,

> Zinc, Copper and Manganese. The problem is that there is double the

> cal to mag ratio as opposed to the other way around. Also, the mag

> form is oxide and aspartate. "

>

> I am taking a product I am happy with called Ionic Fizz by Pure

Essence.

>

> If you don't consume dairy, they recommend the one that includes

calcium (which is in about a 1:1 ratio). If you do consume dairy,

they recommend the one without calcium.

>

> I take one scoop each day, since I get cal and mag in my multi as

well. I usually take it before bed and it helps with relaxation. I

have taken it during the day, and it provides some immediate energy.

It also includes a bit of B-12 in the conezyme form. I have even

taken it for a headache, and sometimes it helps with that (not always

for my headaches though).

>

> I also take cod liver oil for extra D (and A).

>

> -Olif

>

[Guest guest]

I just looked up the best forms of magnesium and oxide (which is in the

NOW supplement) is the least available form (or one of them). Guess

I'll quit taking it. Bummer to as I purchased several jars at the time.

Carol B

[Guest guest]

Magnesium Oxide (MgO) is

not really designed to be a source of bio-available (available for the body to

use) dietary magnesium. It is however more bio-available for the body under the

following three conditions:

1. The quantity ingested must be so low, say 25 to 50 mg or so that

it has little or no effect on stomach pH, allowing for a complete conversion

into a magnesium salt of the stomach acids. This is why magnesium citrate is

more readily absorbed. The citrate salt is similar to the type of magnesium salt

that can be formed by small quantities of MgO in the stomach. Since MgO is

basic it will, if taken in quantities of 500 mg or so, have an antacid effect

which will not allow the conversion to the salt to proceed.

2. Magnesium oxide taken in fairly low quantities, under 300 mg, and

taken with large quantities of niacin in the form of nicotinic acid, and with

amino acids, especially L-Carnitine, can become bio-available. The niacin,

together with the amino acids, through a rather complex enzyme assisted series,

results in a reaction that can enhance the bioavailability of many minerals,

including magnesium. This combination can even help carry the minerals across

the blood-brain barrier. Vitamin D

may also increase the absorption rate of MgO.

3. Magnesium oxide taken with a large meal can result in hundreds of

reactions with some of them creating magnesium salts, some of which could

possibly be absorbed by the body. Even then, most of the MgO is not truly

bio-available. It usually ends up in the urine. MgO, even when taken with food

showed no meaningful change because the kidneys filter MgO out of the plasma.

The true test for bioavailability is a blood test measuring erythrocyte Mg

concentration not plasma concentration.

Some of the most useable forms (in the

body) of magnesium are aspartate, orotate, arginate and citrate. Magnesium chloride is used in most of

the magnesium oils that are now available.

I have tried the oils and they do seem to work for pain, muscle spasms,

muscle aches and relaxation.

Transdermal applications allow the magnesium to by-pass the digestive

tract and liver and go directly into the blood. Most people report that the oil “seems”

to work faster and better than capsules and certainly better than tablets. If possible tablets should be avoided

for most supplements unless a special coating is necessary (like for the

orotates) to get the supplement past the stomach acid and into the small

intestine for absorption.

Be Well--

Loretta

[Guest guest]

There is a great article on Magnesium Chloride

that I just received today at:

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/magnesiumchloride.html

Magnesium Chloride crystals can be purchased from

Dr. Shealy at:

http://selfhealthsystems.com/category.asp?Category=5

He has an excellent article on Magnesium at: http://normshealy.com/newsletter/newsletterArchivePreview.asp?DBRecordID=34

He has done a lot of research on magnesium.

He says Magnesium Taurate is the best magnesium to

take.

Best regards

Kallie

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ladybugsandbees

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007

9:14 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: cal/mag

supp was Correction

The first magnesium Dr. Brownstein had me on was Magnesium Carbonate

(in the

Buffered C Powder). Now he has me on the Biotics Research Brand Mg-zyme.

It has magnesium aspratate, magnesium gluconate & magnesium glycinate.

[Guest guest]

Just a heads up about Dr.

Shealy’s magnesium lotions. He is using Germaben II as a

preservative which contains parabens and propylene glycol. Parabens can have a estrogenic effect.

I believe there are other magnesium oils out there that use much safer

preservatives.

Loretta

[Guest guest]

Thanks Loretta for the info. I have NO stomache acid (or very little

according to a stool test from GSDL) and that's part of my problem.

Glycinate was touted as the queen of mag according to one poster so I

thought I'd give it a try. I have tried others in the past. Carol B

-- In iodine , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier "

<LorettaLanphier@...> wrote:

>

> Magnesium Oxide (MgO) is not really designed to be a source of bio-

available

> (available for the body to use) dietary magnesium. It is however

more

> bio-available for the body under the following three conditions:

> 1. The quantity ingested must be so low, say 25 to 50 mg or

so that it

> has little or no effect on stomach pH, allowing for a complete

conversion

> into a magnesium salt of the stomach acids. This is why magnesium

citrate is

> more readily absorbed. The citrate salt is similar to the type of

magnesium

> salt that can be formed by small quantities of MgO in the stomach.

Since MgO

> is basic it will, if taken in quantities of 500 mg or so, have an

antacid

> effect which will not allow the conversion to the salt to proceed.

> 2. Magnesium oxide taken in fairly low quantities, under 300

mg, and

> taken with large quantities of niacin in the form of nicotinic

acid, and

> with amino acids, especially L-Carnitine, can become bio-available.

The

> niacin, together with the amino acids, through a rather complex

enzyme

> assisted series, results in a reaction that can enhance the

bioavailability

> of many minerals, including magnesium. This combination can even

help carry

> the minerals across the blood-brain barrier. Vitamin D may also

increase

> the absorption rate of MgO.

> 3. Magnesium oxide taken with a large meal can result in

hundreds of

> reactions with some of them creating magnesium salts, some of which

could

> possibly be absorbed by the body. Even then, most of the MgO is not

truly

> bio-available. It usually ends up in the urine. MgO, even when

taken with

> food showed no meaningful change because the kidneys filter MgO out

of the

> plasma. The true test for bioavailability is a blood test measuring

> erythrocyte Mg concentration not plasma concentration.

> Some of the most useable forms (in the body) of magnesium are

aspartate,

> orotate, arginate and citrate. Magnesium chloride is used in most

of the

> magnesium oils that are now available. I have tried the oils and

they do

> seem to work for pain, muscle spasms, muscle aches and relaxation.

> Transdermal applications allow the magnesium to by-pass the

digestive tract

> and liver and go directly into the blood. Most people report that

the oil

> " seems " to work faster and better than capsules and certainly

better than

> tablets. If possible tablets should be avoided for most

supplements unless

> a special coating is necessary (like for the orotates) to get the

supplement

> past the stomach acid and into the small intestine for absorption.

>

> Be Well--

> Loretta

>

[Guest guest]

Loretta,

Thanks for the terrific post. I have been using magnesium taurate for

a few months now and really like it. It causes me no GI upset (from

lack of absorption) and has stabilized my heart rate (it used to

fluctuate). It is not available in any stores I go to, so I order it

on line. I get the 125mg from Cardiovascular Research from

Vitaminshoppe.com. Also, I understand that Epsom Salts baths

(magnesium sulfate) or magnesium chloride baths are a good way of

absorbing magnesium.

>

> Magnesium Oxide (MgO) is not really designed to be a source of

bio-available

> (available for the body to use) dietary magnesium. It is however more

> bio-available for the body under the following three conditions:

> 1. The quantity ingested must be so low, say 25 to 50 mg or so

that it

> has little or no effect on stomach pH, allowing for a complete

conversion

> into a magnesium salt of the stomach acids. This is why magnesium

citrate is

> more readily absorbed. The citrate salt is similar to the type of

magnesium

> salt that can be formed by small quantities of MgO in the stomach.

Since MgO

> is basic it will, if taken in quantities of 500 mg or so, have an

antacid

> effect which will not allow the conversion to the salt to proceed.

> 2. Magnesium oxide taken in fairly low quantities, under 300

mg, and

> taken with large quantities of niacin in the form of nicotinic acid, and

> with amino acids, especially L-Carnitine, can become bio-available. The

> niacin, together with the amino acids, through a rather complex enzyme

> assisted series, results in a reaction that can enhance the

bioavailability

> of many minerals, including magnesium. This combination can even

help carry

> the minerals across the blood-brain barrier. Vitamin D may also

increase

> the absorption rate of MgO.

> 3. Magnesium oxide taken with a large meal can result in

hundreds of

> reactions with some of them creating magnesium salts, some of which

could

> possibly be absorbed by the body. Even then, most of the MgO is not

truly

> bio-available. It usually ends up in the urine. MgO, even when taken

with

> food showed no meaningful change because the kidneys filter MgO out

of the

> plasma. The true test for bioavailability is a blood test measuring

> erythrocyte Mg concentration not plasma concentration.

> Some of the most useable forms (in the body) of magnesium are aspartate,

> orotate, arginate and citrate. Magnesium chloride is used in most

of the

> magnesium oils that are now available. I have tried the oils and

they do

> seem to work for pain, muscle spasms, muscle aches and relaxation.

> Transdermal applications allow the magnesium to by-pass the

digestive tract

> and liver and go directly into the blood. Most people report that

the oil

> " seems " to work faster and better than capsules and certainly better

than

> tablets. If possible tablets should be avoided for most supplements

unless

> a special coating is necessary (like for the orotates) to get the

supplement

> past the stomach acid and into the small intestine for absorption.

>

> Be Well--

> Loretta

>