Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 , Silica at 300-600mgs daily may take a little longer but doesn't hurt and doesn't fool the body. It is the catalyst for the production of glycosaminoglycans, the building block of collagen and consequently cartilage. No injections and no pain. Why does western medicine seem to want to always inject things into us or just remove the damaged part. Rick -----Original Message-----From: [mailto:kennio@...]Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:53 PMiodine Subject: Re: Prolotherapy. It can be used for backs and disks but I on used it for my torn cartilage in myknee. I was squatting for a couple weeks air brushing fake boulders in mypool...turned out great, but I developed a painful limp during the project andan MRI showed 3 significant tears to my meniscus. Two of the best surgeons inL.A. said I would never feel normal until I had surgery. After 3 months ofnon-stop pain I found out about Prolotherapy. A series of injections that arebasically sugar water or saline solutions injected deep into the joint. Theinjections don't hurt but within hours after the infusion the joint reactsstrongly; swelling and fairly significant pain. The concept is that the body is fooled into thinking that the area has a newinjury and responds with enzymes and chondrocytes to rebuild the damagetissues, cartilage and tighten tendons. I had two injections at a highstrength over a couple weeks (I told them to not ramp up with the strength andwaste my time and money)..so it was pretty painful. Now the knee is totallyrestored better than it was before the injury. I have no knee pain when istand for hours and I do squats with hundreds of pounds with no knee pain. It's amazing. Oh I also used it for tennis elbow once.C. Everett Koop, former Surgeon General endorses it and even use to practiceit, I believe, during the 60's. It has been around for over 50 years...suddenly it's on quackwatch. http://www.prolotherapysandiego.com/prolotherapy.html--- Skipper Beers <lsb149hotmail> wrote:> >From: <kennio >> >Reply-iodine > > >All though I haven't investigated escharotics yet, I do know that > >quackwatch is> >to be totally ignored. Too many things that I have tried that worked are> >listed as a scam on quackwatch... prolotherapy for one.> > Tell me a little about prolotherapy. That's for backs and herniated disks, > isn't it?> > Skipper> > __________________________________________________________> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Rick, you seem to have a lot of knowledge, is this all self-taught or is your profession in this direction? (Hope you don't mind me asking.) Karin -----Original Message-----From: iodine [mailto:iodine ]On Behalf Of Rick WagnerSent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:46 PMiodine Subject: RE: Prolotherapy. , Silica at 300-600mgs daily may take a little longer but doesn't hurt and doesn't fool the body. It is the catalyst for the production of glycosaminoglycans, the building block of collagen and consequently cartilage. No injections and no pain. Why does western medicine seem to want to always inject things into us or just remove the damaged part. Rick -----Original Message-----From: [mailto:kennio ]Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:53 PMiodine Subject: Re: Prolotherapy. It can be used for backs and disks but I on used it for my torn cartilage in myknee. I was squatting for a couple weeks air brushing fake boulders in mypool...turned out great, but I developed a painful limp during the project andan MRI showed 3 significant tears to my meniscus. Two of the best surgeons inL.A. said I would never feel normal until I had surgery. After 3 months ofnon-stop pain I found out about Prolotherapy. A series of injections that arebasically sugar water or saline solutions injected deep into the joint. Theinjections don't hurt but within hours after the infusion the joint reactsstrongly; swelling and fairly significant pain. The concept is that the body is fooled into thinking that the area has a newinjury and responds with enzymes and chondrocytes to rebuild the damagetissues, cartilage and tighten tendons. I had two injections at a highstrength over a couple weeks (I told them to not ramp up with the strength andwaste my time and money)..so it was pretty painful. Now the knee is totallyrestored better than it was before the injury. I have no knee pain when istand for hours and I do squats with hundreds of pounds with no knee pain. It's amazing. Oh I also used it for tennis elbow once.C. Everett Koop, former Surgeon General endorses it and even use to practiceit, I believe, during the 60's. It has been around for over 50 years...suddenly it's on quackwatch. http://www.prolotherapysandiego.com/prolotherapy.html--- Skipper Beers <lsb149hotmail> wrote:> >From: <kennio >> >Reply-iodine > > >All though I haven't investigated escharotics yet, I do know that > >quackwatch is> >to be totally ignored. Too many things that I have tried that worked are> >listed as a scam on quackwatch... prolotherapy for one.> > Tell me a little about prolotherapy. That's for backs and herniated disks, > isn't it?> > Skipper> > __________________________________________________________> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 >From: " Rick Wagner " <rickwagner@...> >, >Silica at 300-600mgs daily may take a little longer but doesn't hurt and >doesn't fool the body. It is the catalyst for the production of >glycosaminoglycans, the building block of collagen and consequently >cartilage. No injections and no pain. Why does western medicine seem to >want to always inject things into us or just remove the damaged part. >Rick I asked you before and never saw the answer. What is silica, and since you claim it is not from diet, how is it likely to be something beneficial to our health? I have a hard time believing substances like sand or glass that we wouldn't get in our ordinary diet is necessary or beneficial. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 The process seemed as far from western medicine as I could get, since it is just saline. I was already in pain and it was compounded by the subsequent swelling. Also keep in mind that two of the tears were in an area of the meniscus where there is no vascularity thus no blood flow, you thing silica would have helped? Injecting alternative substances like DMPS scares me too. --- Rick Wagner <rickwagner@...> wrote: > , > Silica at 300-600mgs daily may take a little longer but doesn't hurt and > doesn't fool the body. It is the catalyst for the production of > glycosaminoglycans, the building block of collagen and consequently > cartilage. No injections and no pain. Why does western medicine seem to > want to always inject things into us or just remove the damaged part. > Rick > Re: Prolotherapy. > > > It can be used for backs and disks but I on used it for my torn cartilage > in my > knee. I was squatting for a couple weeks air brushing fake boulders in my > pool...turned out great, but I developed a painful limp during the project > and > an MRI showed 3 significant tears to my meniscus. Two of the best surgeons > in > L.A. said I would never feel normal until I had surgery. After 3 months of > non-stop pain I found out about Prolotherapy. A series of injections that > are > basically sugar water or saline solutions injected deep into the joint. > The > injections don't hurt but within hours after the infusion the joint reacts > strongly; swelling and fairly significant pain. > > The concept is that the body is fooled into thinking that the area has a > new > injury and responds with enzymes and chondrocytes to rebuild the damage > tissues, cartilage and tighten tendons. I had two injections at a high > strength over a couple weeks (I told them to not ramp up with the strength > and > waste my time and money)..so it was pretty painful. Now the knee is > totally > restored better than it was before the injury. I have no knee pain when i > stand for hours and I do squats with hundreds of pounds with no knee pain. > It's amazing. Oh I also used it for tennis elbow once. > > C. Everett Koop, former Surgeon General endorses it and even use to > practice > it, I believe, during the 60's. It has been around for over 50 years... > suddenly it's on quackwatch. > > http://www.prolotherapysandiego.com/prolotherapy.html > > --- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote: > > > >From: <kennio@...> > > >Reply-iodine > > > > >All though I haven't investigated escharotics yet, I do know that > > >quackwatch is > > >to be totally ignored. Too many things that I have tried that worked > are > > >listed as a scam on quackwatch... prolotherapy for one. > > > > Tell me a little about prolotherapy. That's for backs and herniated > disks, > > isn't it? > > > > Skipper > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Unequivocally. Re: Prolotherapy.> > > It can be used for backs and disks but I on used it for my torn cartilage> in my> knee. I was squatting for a couple weeks air brushing fake boulders in my> pool...turned out great, but I developed a painful limp during the project> and> an MRI showed 3 significant tears to my meniscus. Two of the best surgeons> in> L.A. said I would never feel normal until I had surgery. After 3 months of> non-stop pain I found out about Prolotherapy. A series of injections that> are> basically sugar water or saline solutions injected deep into the joint.> The> injections don't hurt but within hours after the infusion the joint reacts> strongly; swelling and fairly significant pain.> > The concept is that the body is fooled into thinking that the area has a> new> injury and responds with enzymes and chondrocytes to rebuild the damage> tissues, cartilage and tighten tendons. I had two injections at a high> strength over a couple weeks (I told them to not ramp up with the strength> and> waste my time and money)..so it was pretty painful. Now the knee is> totally> restored better than it was before the injury. I have no knee pain when i> stand for hours and I do squats with hundreds of pounds with no knee pain.> It's amazing. Oh I also used it for tennis elbow once.> > C. Everett Koop, former Surgeon General endorses it and even use to> practice> it, I believe, during the 60's. It has been around for over 50 years...> suddenly it's on quackwatch.> > http://www.prolotherapysandiego.com/prolotherapy.html> > --- Skipper Beers <lsb149hotmail> wrote:> > > >From: <kennio >> > >Reply-iodine > >> > >All though I haven't investigated escharotics yet, I do know that> > >quackwatch is> > >to be totally ignored. Too many things that I have tried that worked> are> > >listed as a scam on quackwatch... prolotherapy for one.> >> > Tell me a little about prolotherapy. That's for backs and herniated> disks,> > isn't it?> >> > Skipper> >> > __________________________________________________________> > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's> FREE!> > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> >> >> > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Karin, I have been in the nutrition business for 10 years and will be receiving a Clinical Nutrition degree in several months. In actuality though, most of what I know is self taught and or personally experienced. Rick -----Original Message-----From: Karin Deutschler [mailto:kdeutschler@...]Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:40 PMiodine Subject: RE: Prolotherapy. Rick, you seem to have a lot of knowledge, is this all self-taught or is your profession in this direction? (Hope you don't mind me asking.) Karin -----Original Message-----From: iodine [mailto:iodine ]On Behalf Of Rick WagnerSent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:46 PMiodine Subject: RE: Prolotherapy. , Silica at 300-600mgs daily may take a little longer but doesn't hurt and doesn't fool the body. It is the catalyst for the production of glycosaminoglycans, the building block of collagen and consequently cartilage. No injections and no pain. Why does western medicine seem to want to always inject things into us or just remove the damaged part. Rick -----Original Message-----From: [mailto:kennio ]Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:53 PMiodine Subject: Re: Prolotherapy. It can be used for backs and disks but I on used it for my torn cartilage in myknee. I was squatting for a couple weeks air brushing fake boulders in mypool...turned out great, but I developed a painful limp during the project andan MRI showed 3 significant tears to my meniscus. Two of the best surgeons inL.A. said I would never feel normal until I had surgery. After 3 months ofnon-stop pain I found out about Prolotherapy. A series of injections that arebasically sugar water or saline solutions injected deep into the joint. Theinjections don't hurt but within hours after the infusion the joint reactsstrongly; swelling and fairly significant pain. The concept is that the body is fooled into thinking that the area has a newinjury and responds with enzymes and chondrocytes to rebuild the damagetissues, cartilage and tighten tendons. I had two injections at a highstrength over a couple weeks (I told them to not ramp up with the strength andwaste my time and money)..so it was pretty painful. Now the knee is totallyrestored better than it was before the injury. I have no knee pain when istand for hours and I do squats with hundreds of pounds with no knee pain. It's amazing. Oh I also used it for tennis elbow once.C. Everett Koop, former Surgeon General endorses it and even use to practiceit, I believe, during the 60's. It has been around for over 50 years...suddenly it's on quackwatch. http://www.prolotherapysandiego.com/prolotherapy.html--- Skipper Beers <lsb149hotmail> wrote:> >From: <kennio >> >Reply-iodine > > >All though I haven't investigated escharotics yet, I do know that > >quackwatch is> >to be totally ignored. Too many things that I have tried that worked are> >listed as a scam on quackwatch... prolotherapy for one.> > Tell me a little about prolotherapy. That's for backs and herniated disks, > isn't it?> > Skipper> > __________________________________________________________> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Sorry I paid no attention to the silica thread; I desperately want to build up my collagen. What is the best brand? Is it gotten in bone broth (which I cannot do more than once a month)? On Jul 27, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Rick Wagner wrote: > Silica at 300-600mgs daily may take a little longer but doesn't hurt > and doesn't fool the body. It is the catalyst for the production of > glycosaminoglycans, the building block of collagen and consequently > cartilage. No injections and no pain. Why does western medicine seem > to want to always inject things into us or just remove the damaged > part. > Rick Parashis artpages@... zine: artpagesonline.com portfolio: http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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