Re: Protein requirement question

[Guest guest]

Your muscles need protein, your fat doesn't! That's a quote from my

PhD nurtritionist friend!

You need protein to feed and grow your muscles, but fat doesn't need

at at all. So your " ideal " weight, not your weight with the excess

fat, is the baseline.

If you're getting way over 60, I bet you're also getting too many

calories, since meats have more calories per gram that veggies. Most

meats contain fat.

What are you eating to provide way more than 60 grams of protein? I

bet you're a good bit over 1200-1500 calories too - although don't be

too worried about this until you get to a good fill level.

Too much protein can damage the kidneys, but it's unlikely to happen

from foods. you'd have to be taking a lot of protein supplements.

Kidney damage is very subtle, though - most people do not discover

they have it until they are in real kidney failure. The basic routine

tests do not reveal the suble damage until it is a big problem.

Sandy R

> Does anyone know why protein requirements of 50 - 60 grams are

figured

> out for ideal weight rather than actual body weight?? I'm getting

well

> over 60 grams most days. Will too much cause kidney problems??

>

> Kem in Eugene

> 286/265/150

> Dr. Neal 8.6.04

> <º)))><

[Guest guest]

I am also getting much more than 60g protein. But not necessarily

many calories. Example:

Oct 4: 1068 cals., 104g protein (supplement, canned chicken spread,

shrimp at SouthEnd Soup!, broccoli)

Oct 5: 1012 cals., 105g protein (supplement, cheese, atkins pasta,

canned chicken spread, tuna)

a, 33 y.o., 5'6'', -21.9 lbs in 5.9 weeks

highest 250 - size 22/24, surgery 227 - size 20, current 205.1 - size

18, goal: wherever I stabilize

Banded 8/26/04 - Dr. Rumbaut, Monterrey Mexico

Follow-up: Dr. Fox, Surgical Weight Loss Clinic, Tacoma WA

First fill scheduled for Oct 6 2004

//If you're getting way over 60, I bet you're also getting too

many calories, since meats have more calories per gram that veggies.

Most meats contain fat. What are you eating to provide way more than

60 grams of protein? I bet you're a good bit over 1200-1500 calories

too //

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure Why are you using the supplements? There's no reason at

all for this much protein, so you can drop the supplements and their

expense - eat solid meats and veggies! how about fiber, too? I'm not

seeing much, if any here - Just some suggestions... Sandy RN

>

> I am also getting much more than 60g protein. But not necessarily

> many calories. Example:

>

> Oct 4: 1068 cals., 104g protein (supplement, canned chicken spread,

> shrimp at SouthEnd Soup!, broccoli)

>

> Oct 5: 1012 cals., 105g protein (supplement, cheese, atkins pasta,

> canned chicken spread, tuna)

>

> a, 33 y.o., 5'6'', -21.9 lbs in 5.9 weeks

> highest 250 - size 22/24, surgery 227 - size 20, current 205.1 -

size

> 18, goal: wherever I stabilize

> Banded 8/26/04 - Dr. Rumbaut, Monterrey Mexico

> Follow-up: Dr. Fox, Surgical Weight Loss Clinic, Tacoma WA

> First fill scheduled for Oct 6 2004

[Guest guest]

I had to check smartbands Monday archives but found Jessie A. had

already answered this on Monday.. I'll pass it on as the advice is

good. See below.

Kem in Eugene

286/265/150

Dr. Neal 8.6.04

<º)))><

Jessie wrote:

Kem: " Protein is an essential nutrient for cell maintenance and repair,

and

regulation of a wide range of bodily functions. How much protein we

need to

eat in our diet usually depends on our ideal body weight. Ideal body

weight

is used because amino acids are not needed by fat cells, only by our

lean

body mass. "

A balanced diet is made up approximately as:

* ~20 % total daily calories from protein

* less than 30 % total daily calories from fat

* at least 50 ­ 55 % of your total daily calorie intake from

carbohydrate

These simple guidelines will help you to eat a balanced diet:

* Eat a variety of different foods

* Eat the right amount to achieve a healthy weight

* Eat lots of foods high in starch and fiber

* Eat lots of vegetables

* Don¹t eat many foods containing a lot of fat, especially saturated fat

* Don¹t eat many foods containing a lot of sugar

* If you drink alcohol, keep within recommended limits

* Use food labels to help you identify sources of the different

nutrients.

''High-protein diets may accelerate the loss of kidney function in

people

with early problems. However, these high-protein diets do not seem to

affect

people with normal kidneys, suggests new research.

The problem is, as many as 20 million Americans are at risk for reduced

kidney function but don't know it. Therefore, people on high-protein

diets

may be unknowingly damaging their kidneys. "

You don't need 80-100 grams of protein a day unless you are VERY tall or

VERY active. Try to pick a reasonable balanced diet that you can stick

with

for the rest of your life. Avoid extremes of any kind. That's my advice.

I found all of that on the web. Just put your questions into google and

get

the advice of the world's experts. Look for sites with .edu or .gov if

you

want a consensus. Avoid sites that sell protein supplements and body

builder sites.

If you are losing 1-2 pounds per week what you are doing is probably

fine.

If not, change something. Ask you personal doctor for advice.

<< Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:54:53 -0700

From: Kem Tillford <iz2c@...>

Subject: Protein requirement question

Does anyone know why protein requirements of 50 - 60 grams are figured

out for ideal weight rather than actual body weight?? I'm getting well

over 60 grams most days. Will too much cause kidney problems??

Kem in Eugene

286/265/150

Dr. Neal 8.6.04

<º)))><>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your advice on the protein stuff Sandy. The question below

was addressed to a but it sparked something in me regarding why

I am using supplements. The only supplement I've been using is Isopure

zero carb clear and as I began to ponder your question at first I

thought it was because I liked the taste (kool aid)..but upon further

study into the reasons I realized that often I will drink one of these

early in the day before I actually eat any meat. By the time I've had

lunch and dinner, possibly a snack of beef jerky I find I am WAY over

the limits. So, I'm going to stop drinking Isopure in the

mornings/early afternoon and wait to see what my protein grams look

like after I've had lunch, dinner and snack. I'm willing to bet I'm

getting what I need with meat during the day and will find Isopure

would be a waste late in the day. Time to tweak what I've been doing.

Kem in Eugene

286/265/150

Dr. Neal 8.6.04

<º)))><

<< Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 02:11:09 -0000

From: " Sandy " <MoonshadowRN@...>

Subject: Re: Protein requirement question

I'm not sure Why are you using the supplements? There's no reason at

all for this much protein, so you can drop the supplements and their

expense - eat solid meats and veggies! how about fiber, too? I'm not

seeing much, if any here - Just some suggestions... Sandy RN>>

[Guest guest]

Well, the short answer is because I'm a patient of Dr. Fox (SWLC,

Tacoma). They are insistent on protein supplement, also for

bandsters, " for life " . That being said, part of the long answer

reason that I personally have still been on it, is partly I find it

easier to swallow in the morning. On those days mentioned, I happened

to make food choices for lunch & dinner that were also high protein.

I'm still working on all the pieces of the nutrition puzzle, trying

to get enough of some things, and not too much of others. Fiber is

still on the list to define a good goal for myself and work towards

it. Right now I've been concentrating on getting enough protein, not

too much fat, not too many carbs, not too many calories, enough

water, enough vitamins/calcium. Having never been attuned to my

nutritional intake before, it's a slow process that I'm taking in

little baby steps.

Thanks for your input! I am glad we have some medical professionals

on this list to weigh in with professional opinion/advice! :-)

a, 33 y.o., 5'6'', -23.1 lbs in 6. weeks

highest 250 - size 22/24, surgery 227 - size 20, current 203.9 - size

18, goal: wherever I stabilize

Banded 8/26/04 - Dr. Rumbaut, Monterrey Mexico

Follow-up: Dr. Fox, Surgical Weight Loss Clinic, Tacoma WA

1st fill 6 Oct 04: 2.0cc

//I'm not sure Why are you using the supplements? There's no

reason at all for this much protein, so you can drop the supplements

and their expense - eat solid meats and veggies! how about fiber,

too? I'm not seeing much, if any here - Just some suggestions...

Sandy RN//

[Guest guest]

Good basic advice, except I strongly disagree on " eat a lot of

starchy food. " - and I don't believe Jessie meant to say this.

Potatoesw, rice, pasta, and breads are useless to Bandsters. Very

poor nutrition, high calories, and often get stuck. Hre is why they

are not good:

http://www.personalmd.com/news/a1999030415.shtml

>

> Kem: " Protein is an essential nutrient for cell maintenance and

repair,

> and

> regulation of a wide range of bodily functions. How much protein we

> need to

> eat in our diet usually depends on our ideal body weight. Ideal

body

> weight

> is used because amino acids are not needed by fat cells, only by

our

> lean

> body mass. "

>

> A balanced diet is made up approximately as:

> * ~20 % total daily calories from protein

> * less than 30 % total daily calories from fat

> * at least 50 ­ 55 % of your total daily calorie intake from

> carbohydrate

>

> These simple guidelines will help you to eat a balanced diet:

> * Eat a variety of different foods

> * Eat the right amount to achieve a healthy weight

> * Eat lots of foods high in starch and fiber

> * Eat lots of vegetables

> * Don¹t eat many foods containing a lot of fat, especially

saturated fat

> * Don¹t eat many foods containing a lot of sugar

> * If you drink alcohol, keep within recommended limits

> * Use food labels to help you identify sources of the different

> nutrients.

>

> ''High-protein diets may accelerate the loss of kidney function in

> people

> with early problems. However, these high-protein diets do not seem

to

> affect

> people with normal kidneys, suggests new research.

>

> The problem is, as many as 20 million Americans are at risk for

reduced

> kidney function but don't know it. Therefore, people on high-

protein

> diets

> may be unknowingly damaging their kidneys. "

>

> You don't need 80-100 grams of protein a day unless you are VERY

tall or

> VERY active. Try to pick a reasonable balanced diet that you can

stick

> with

> for the rest of your life. Avoid extremes of any kind. That's my

advice.

> I found all of that on the web. Just put your questions into google

and

> get

> the advice of the world's experts. Look for sites with .edu or .gov

if

> you

> want a consensus. Avoid sites that sell protein supplements and body

> builder sites.

>

> If you are losing 1-2 pounds per week what you are doing is

probably

> fine.

> If not, change something. Ask you personal doctor for advice.

>

>

>

> << Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:54:53 -0700

> From: Kem Tillford <iz2c@h...>

> Subject: Protein requirement question

>

> Does anyone know why protein requirements of 50 - 60 grams are

figured

> out for ideal weight rather than actual body weight?? I'm getting

well

> over 60 grams most days. Will too much cause kidney problems??

>

> Kem in Eugene

> 286/265/150

> Dr. Neal 8.6.04

> <º)))><>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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My doctor along with many professionals do not want their patients

taking protein supplements. You can get plenty of protein from your

meats or meat substitutes. After the liquid phase there really is no

need for protein drinks except for the ocassional liquid days after

fills if you want. I just try and get in 3 oz. of protein 1 oz. of

vegies. That pretty much takes care of the not too many carbs. I am a

diabetic and had to watch the carbs. I still have to watch the carbs

but if I do 3 oz. of protein and 1 oz. of vegies then I am done eating

and the carbs take care of themselves. I don't count calories either.

Don't eat to many fating things.

Dawn

7/8/03

248/160/150