Re: Is this restriction or is my esophagus spasming?

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,

if you are looking for the " full feeling " like bloaded, to the point you need

to unbutton your pants or after a big meal at Sizzler...FORGET IT!

Is not like that. The band will give you a feeling of satisfaction and not

hunger for about 4 hours.

But but, we still have our head hunger....yea, we had eaten a good meal about

1 to 1 and half cup of food and still want the sweet things, the things that go

in easy ( ice cream, cheese cake , etc etc) and it is so easy to wait about half

an hour and then we can have it without a problem.

So, we have to keep in mind that the band is a tool and proper discipline and

helthy eating is number one priority. Does this means I do not eat ice cream, no

way, i do!, but moderate and once a week.

here I am a slow looser, but I know that in over a year I had gain lot of

knowleadge about my band, it takes time.

Good Luck!

Lidia

5/20/06

225/195/150

cindywebb1667 <cindywebb1667@...> wrote:

Banded 7/24 - 1st fill 8/24 - no restriction - 2nd fill 9/17

I'm not sure if what I'm about to describe is restriction or if

something else is going on.

When I eat too fast, chew too little, take too big of a bite OR I

drink with my meal (I know-I know) my esophagus seems to tighten up,

I get pain in the middle of my chest and everything seems to back up.

I've NEVER slimed - PB'd or even gotten nauseaous.

All of this sounds like restriction, HOWEVER, I never really feel

full. I thought the band and smaller stomach would make me feel

full.

Could my band have shifted leaving a larger pouch? I had fluro

right after surgery but not since.

I'm scheduled for another fill in October which I want because I

never feel full but I'm afraid of overfill if I'm already getting

backed up and stuck?

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Hello cindywebb1667,

Wednesday, September 26, 2007, 11:58:02 AM, you wrote:

> Banded 7/24 - 1st fill 8/24 - no restriction - 2nd fill 9/17

> I'm not sure if what I'm about to describe is restriction or if

> something else is going on.

> When I eat too fast, chew too little, take too big of a bite OR I

> drink with my meal (I know-I know) my esophagus seems to tighten up,

> I get pain in the middle of my chest and everything seems to back up.

> I've NEVER slimed - PB'd or even gotten nauseaous.

That's restriction, and your body is saying " don't stick so much stuff

down there " , just as it does with slime or other messages.

> All of this sounds like restriction, HOWEVER, I never really feel

> full. I thought the band and smaller stomach would make me feel

> full.

What are you eating? All solid foods. Avoid drinking with meals.

I'd guess the issue might well be " mouth hunger " as opposed to

" stomach hunger " . Most of us are compulsive and have to clean the

plate, want more even if we're physically full, etc. Most of us have

NEVER felt genuine physical hunger. It is another big part of

learning and adjusting, and I think one of the hardest.

> Could my band have shifted leaving a larger pouch? I had fluro

> right after surgery but not since.

Highly unlikely, though your first and second fills were both sooner

than most docs would do.

> I'm scheduled for another fill in October which I want because I

> never feel full but I'm afraid of overfill if I'm already getting

> backed up and stuck?

I'd not get another fill now. Fills should be by NEED, and NOT BY

CALENDAR.

>

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

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I had truly hoped that my tiny stomach would help with the mind or

mouth hunger.... : (

>

> > Banded 7/24 - 1st fill 8/24 - no restriction - 2nd fill 9/17

>

> > I'm not sure if what I'm about to describe is restriction or if

> > something else is going on.

>

> > When I eat too fast, chew too little, take too big of a bite OR I

> > drink with my meal (I know-I know) my esophagus seems to tighten

up,

> > I get pain in the middle of my chest and everything seems to back

up.

>

> > I've NEVER slimed - PB'd or even gotten nauseaous.

>

> That's restriction, and your body is saying " don't stick so much

stuff

> down there " , just as it does with slime or other messages.

>

> > All of this sounds like restriction, HOWEVER, I never really feel

> > full. I thought the band and smaller stomach would make me feel

> > full.

>

> What are you eating? All solid foods. Avoid drinking with meals.

>

> I'd guess the issue might well be " mouth hunger " as opposed to

> " stomach hunger " . Most of us are compulsive and have to clean the

> plate, want more even if we're physically full, etc. Most of us

have

> NEVER felt genuine physical hunger. It is another big part of

> learning and adjusting, and I think one of the hardest.

>

> > Could my band have shifted leaving a larger pouch? I had fluro

> > right after surgery but not since.

>

> Highly unlikely, though your first and second fills were both sooner

> than most docs would do.

>

> > I'm scheduled for another fill in October which I want because I

> > never feel full but I'm afraid of overfill if I'm already getting

> > backed up and stuck?

>

> I'd not get another fill now. Fills should be by NEED, and NOT BY

> CALENDAR.

>

>

> >

>

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

[Guest guest]

One more thing.... If I don't feel full how will I know if I'm eating

too much and stretching my pouch?

>

> > Banded 7/24 - 1st fill 8/24 - no restriction - 2nd fill 9/17

>

> > I'm not sure if what I'm about to describe is restriction or if

> > something else is going on.

>

> > When I eat too fast, chew too little, take too big of a bite OR I

> > drink with my meal (I know-I know) my esophagus seems to tighten

up,

> > I get pain in the middle of my chest and everything seems to back

up.

>

> > I've NEVER slimed - PB'd or even gotten nauseaous.

>

> That's restriction, and your body is saying " don't stick so much

stuff

> down there " , just as it does with slime or other messages.

>

> > All of this sounds like restriction, HOWEVER, I never really feel

> > full. I thought the band and smaller stomach would make me feel

> > full.

>

> What are you eating? All solid foods. Avoid drinking with meals.

>

> I'd guess the issue might well be " mouth hunger " as opposed to

> " stomach hunger " . Most of us are compulsive and have to clean the

> plate, want more even if we're physically full, etc. Most of us

have

> NEVER felt genuine physical hunger. It is another big part of

> learning and adjusting, and I think one of the hardest.

>

> > Could my band have shifted leaving a larger pouch? I had fluro

> > right after surgery but not since.

>

> Highly unlikely, though your first and second fills were both sooner

> than most docs would do.

>

> > I'm scheduled for another fill in October which I want because I

> > never feel full but I'm afraid of overfill if I'm already getting

> > backed up and stuck?

>

> I'd not get another fill now. Fills should be by NEED, and NOT BY

> CALENDAR.

>

>

> >

>

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

[Guest guest]

>> One more thing.... If I don't feel full how will I know if I'm eating

too much and stretching my pouch?<<

When you have adequate restriction, the band will let you know.

[Guest guest]

>> I had truly hoped that my tiny stomach would help with the mind or

mouth hunger....<<

It will -- but not without help from you. When you find yourself wanting

to stuff down some feelings with food -- and that's what mind/mouth

hunger is all about -- you have to stop and identify what it is you're

actually feeling. Are you tired or angry or anxious or frustrated or

something else? Eating to " solve " emotional issues doesn't work as we

all know. You can eat the entire contents of the refrigerator and none

of those issues have been solved -- just smothered for a while.

This takes time and may require the assistance of a therapist. Emotional

eating cannot be cured with surgery, but it can be alleviated greatly.

It takes time.

Re: Is this restriction or is my esophagus

spasming?

I had truly hoped that my tiny stomach would help with the mind or

mouth hunger.... : (

>

> > Banded 7/24 - 1st fill 8/24 - no restriction - 2nd fill 9/17

>

> > I'm not sure if what I'm about to describe is restriction or if

> > something else is going on.

>

> > When I eat too fast, chew too little, take too big of a bite OR I

> > drink with my meal (I know-I know) my esophagus seems to tighten

up,

> > I get pain in the middle of my chest and everything seems to back

up.

>

> > I've NEVER slimed - PB'd or even gotten nauseaous.

>

> That's restriction, and your body is saying " don't stick so much

stuff

> down there " , just as it does with slime or other messages.

>

> > All of this sounds like restriction, HOWEVER, I never really feel

> > full. I thought the band and smaller stomach would make me feel

> > full.

>

> What are you eating? All solid foods. Avoid drinking with meals.

>

> I'd guess the issue might well be " mouth hunger " as opposed to

> " stomach hunger " . Most of us are compulsive and have to clean the

> plate, want more even if we're physically full, etc. Most of us

have

> NEVER felt genuine physical hunger. It is another big part of

> learning and adjusting, and I think one of the hardest.

>

> > Could my band have shifted leaving a larger pouch? I had fluro

> > right after surgery but not since.

>

> Highly unlikely, though your first and second fills were both sooner

> than most docs would do.

>

> > I'm scheduled for another fill in October which I want because I

> > never feel full but I'm afraid of overfill if I'm already getting

> > backed up and stuck?

>

> I'd not get another fill now. Fills should be by NEED, and NOT BY

> CALENDAR.

>

>

> >

>

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

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Hello cindywebb1667,

Wednesday, September 26, 2007, 3:14:36 PM, you wrote:

> I had truly hoped that my tiny stomach would help with the mind or

> mouth hunger.... : (

Well, for that to happen you'd need a band on your brain, not just

your stomach. :-)

Seriously, as I'm sure you know, most of us have all sorts of " brain

issues " , whether habits, compulsions, defense mechanisms, or whatever.

I have a " completion compulsion " (my term, doubt it is in DSM4). That

means for years if several of us were sharing a pizza or two, and

every one else was full, and there were two pieces left, I felt truly

obligated to finish them, even if I'd already had eight pieces and was

stuffed physically. And I would eat them. I never imagined having a

" doggie bag " (or these days a foam box) to take stuff home. I

finished it in the restaurant. After all I paid for it. And same at

a buffet. I was darn sure going to " get my money's worth " by cramming

in as much as possible. Why do I have this? Mainly because my folks

were raised in the depression and were very poor, like most folks.

They weren't standing in bread lines, but they sure didn't waste a

bit. So I was taught " clean your plate, they're starving in

India/Africa/China/Korea or some other place of the month " . One time

I told my dad that he could send the stuff to India. You can bet I

only did THAT once. Duuuhhhh.

In later years I talked with my mother about it (my dad died when I

was 17) and she was so apologetic. I reminded her that it wasn't her

fault, and just like lots of other things parents did in the 40s and

50s, and no one would do now, they did the best they could with what

they knew then. And I'm sure some of what my kids do with my

grandkids now will be considered " stupid " or " wrong " in another 30 or

50 years.

So....we all have our own stuff to shovel through...and that's a

really vital part of the process, and the band gives us the physical

assistance that forces us to deal with the mental stuff.

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

Hello cindywebb1667,

Wednesday, September 26, 2007, 3:57:03 PM, you wrote:

> One more thing.... If I don't feel full how will I know if I'm eating

> too much and stretching my pouch?

You will learn a different " fullness " when you're on solid food. And

when you are still learning you might slime or barf or get pains or

whatever. The band has all sorts of ways of teaching us to do what

our grandmas tried to teach us:

Put your fork down between bites.

Chew each bite twenty times, slowly.

Don't take big bites.

Don't talk with your mouth full.

etc etc

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

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Maybe I just need a zipper on my mouth ; )

Seriously, thanks for the advice. I think I will make an appointment

with my surgeons therapist. I like to think I've " got it all

together " and " what could a therapist say or do that would help? " but

obviously I'm an addict and do need help.

I've already analyzed all the reasons I think I overeat; my mom loves

to feed me (she still cooks for me whenever she can even though I'm

51 years old!) - I'm a type A personality that thinks all things

should be organized and completed (including the food on my plate and

in my frig) - I need to " get my money's worth " so I eat all leftover

food rather than through it away - I have a binge eating disorder

(doesn't every overweight person?) - I eat to give me pleasure when

I'm doing things (like my accounting work) that stresses me out (WOW

did I type that? I think I just had a revelation,

seriously)....Anyway.....I mostly eat because I LOVE TO - it is my

entertainment - my 'me' time - my reward to myself. How do you

counteract the fact that I just LOVE TO EAT !!!!!

Guess I have more things to work out than just restriction...... :0(

Thanks for your guidance, Dan.

cindy

>

> > I had truly hoped that my tiny stomach would help with the mind

or

> > mouth hunger.... : (

>

> Well, for that to happen you'd need a band on your brain, not just

> your stomach. :-)

>

> Seriously, as I'm sure you know, most of us have all sorts of " brain

> issues " , whether habits, compulsions, defense mechanisms, or

whatever.

>

> I have a " completion compulsion " (my term, doubt it is in DSM4).

That

> means for years if several of us were sharing a pizza or two, and

> every one else was full, and there were two pieces left, I felt

truly

> obligated to finish them, even if I'd already had eight pieces and

was

> stuffed physically. And I would eat them. I never imagined having

a

> " doggie bag " (or these days a foam box) to take stuff home. I

> finished it in the restaurant. After all I paid for it. And same

at

> a buffet. I was darn sure going to " get my money's worth " by

cramming

> in as much as possible. Why do I have this? Mainly because my

folks

> were raised in the depression and were very poor, like most folks.

> They weren't standing in bread lines, but they sure didn't waste a

> bit. So I was taught " clean your plate, they're starving in

> India/Africa/China/Korea or some other place of the month " . One

time

> I told my dad that he could send the stuff to India. You can bet I

> only did THAT once. Duuuhhhh.

>

> In later years I talked with my mother about it (my dad died when I

> was 17) and she was so apologetic. I reminded her that it wasn't

her

> fault, and just like lots of other things parents did in the 40s and

> 50s, and no one would do now, they did the best they could with what

> they knew then. And I'm sure some of what my kids do with my

> grandkids now will be considered " stupid " or " wrong " in another 30

or

> 50 years.

>

> So....we all have our own stuff to shovel through...and that's a

> really vital part of the process, and the band gives us the physical

> assistance that forces us to deal with the mental stuff.

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

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, were we separated at birth??? I'm type A, obsessive-compulsive (I'm not

like a hand washer or anything, but Type A sums it up!), love to eat, and I'm a

junior accountant. The pre-op shrink told me I'm also a social eater so my

husband can easily make me want to eat by overeating himself (he is banded as

well, not doing as well, not really caring right now-UGH).

Sometimes being a loser is a GOOD thing!

5'11 " 306 / 239 / 180

PreOp / Now/ Goal

Banded 09/14/06

@...: cindywebb1667@...: Thu, 27

Sep 2007 16:36:56 +0000Subject: Re: Is this restriction or is

my esophagus spasming?

Maybe I just need a zipper on my mouth ; )Seriously, thanks for the advice. I

think I will make an appointment with my surgeons therapist. I like to think

I've " got it all together " and " what could a therapist say or do that would

help? " but obviously I'm an addict and do need help.I've already analyzed all

the reasons I think I overeat; my mom loves to feed me (she still cooks for me

whenever she can even though I'm 51 years old!) - I'm a type A personality that

thinks all things should be organized and completed (including the food on my

plate and in my frig) - I need to " get my money's worth " so I eat all leftover

food rather than through it away - I have a binge eating disorder (doesn't every

overweight person?) - I eat to give me pleasure when I'm doing things (like my

accounting work) that stresses me out (WOW did I type that? I think I just had a

revelation, seriously)....Anyway.....I mostly eat because I LOVE TO - it is my

entertainment - my 'me' time - my reward to myself. How do you counteract the

fact that I just LOVE TO EAT !!!!!Guess I have more things to work out than just

restriction...... :0(Thanks for your guidance, Dan.cindy> > > I

had truly hoped that my tiny stomach would help with the mind or > > mouth

hunger.... : ( > > Well, for that to happen you'd need a band on your brain, not

just> your stomach. :-)> > Seriously, as I'm sure you know, most of us have all

sorts of " brain> issues " , whether habits, compulsions, defense mechanisms, or

whatever.> > I have a " completion compulsion " (my term, doubt it is in DSM4).

That> means for years if several of us were sharing a pizza or two, and> every

one else was full, and there were two pieces left, I felt truly> obligated to

finish them, even if I'd already had eight pieces and was> stuffed physically.

And I would eat them. I never imagined having a> " doggie bag " (or these days a

foam box) to take stuff home. I> finished it in the restaurant. After all I paid

for it. And same at> a buffet. I was darn sure going to " get my money's worth "

by cramming> in as much as possible. Why do I have this? Mainly because my

folks> were raised in the depression and were very poor, like most folks.> They

weren't standing in bread lines, but they sure didn't waste a> bit. So I was

taught " clean your plate, they're starving in> India/Africa/China/Korea or some

other place of the month " . One time> I told my dad that he could send the stuff

to India. You can bet I> only did THAT once. Duuuhhhh.> > In later years I

talked with my mother about it (my dad died when I> was 17) and she was so

apologetic. I reminded her that it wasn't her> fault, and just like lots of

other things parents did in the 40s and> 50s, and no one would do now, they did

the best they could with what> they knew then. And I'm sure some of what my kids

do with my> grandkids now will be considered " stupid " or " wrong " in another 30

or> 50 years.> > So....we all have our own stuff to shovel through...and that's

a> really vital part of the process, and the band gives us the physical>

assistance that forces us to deal with the mental stuff.> > -- > Best regards,>

Dan mailto:honu@...>

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>> I need to " get my money's worth " so I eat all leftover food rather

than through it away<<

You can throw it out or you can throw it in.

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Sounds like we are twins!

> > > I had truly hoped that my tiny

stomach would help with the mind or > > mouth hunger.... : ( > >

Well, for that to happen you'd need a band on your brain, not just>

your stomach. :-)> > Seriously, as I'm sure you know, most of us have

all sorts of " brain> issues " , whether habits, compulsions, defense

mechanisms, or whatever.> > I have a " completion compulsion " (my

term, doubt it is in DSM4). That> means for years if several of us

were sharing a pizza or two, and> every one else was full, and there

were two pieces left, I felt truly> obligated to finish them, even if

I'd already had eight pieces and was> stuffed physically. And I would

eat them. I never imagined having a> " doggie bag " (or these days a

foam box) to take stuff home. I> finished it in the restaurant. After

all I paid for it. And same at> a buffet. I was darn sure going

to " get my money's worth " by cramming> in as much as possible. Why do

I have this? Mainly because my folks> were raised in the depression

and were very poor, like most folks.> They weren't standing in bread

lines, but they sure didn't waste a> bit. So I was taught " clean your

plate, they're starving in> India/Africa/China/Korea or some other

place of the month " . One time> I told my dad that he could send the

stuff to India. You can bet I> only did THAT once. Duuuhhhh.> > In

later years I talked with my mother about it (my dad died when I> was

17) and she was so apologetic. I reminded her that it wasn't her>

fault, and just like lots of other things parents did in the 40s and>

50s, and no one would do now, they did the best they could with what>

they knew then. And I'm sure some of what my kids do with my>

grandkids now will be considered " stupid " or " wrong " in another 30

or> 50 years.> > So....we all have our own stuff to shovel

through...and that's a> really vital part of the process, and the

band gives us the physical> assistance that forces us to deal with

the mental stuff.> > -- > Best regards,> Dan mailto:honu@>

>

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heather,

what a dilema you are faced with. i'm so sorry you're stuck in the

middle with someone you love who is trying to kill himself slowly.

the fact that your hubbie complains that your comments are negative

criticism and uses that as a tool to shut you up is his way of

avoiding taking the responsibility for his own misbehavior.

clearly, i don't know what's what in your home and in your

relationship,so my advice should be taken with a grain of salt. i

certainly don't want my advice to put you in jeopardy, but my

advice , clearly from an ideal world over here, is to not allow him

to make you the villain in his journey.

also, if there are children in your home, the fact that he is setting

a terrible example for them is another tragic aspect of his

behavior. one from the standpoint of ruining his health and failing

to follow through on a committment and then to put the onus on

everyone else for being over critical. these are behaviors the kids

would learn as tools to control others and to avoid thriving in their

own lives.

> , were we separated at birth??? I'm type A,> obsessive-

compulsive (I'm not like a hand washer or anything, but> Type A sums

it up!), love to eat, and I'm a junior accountant. TheYes, sounds

like lots of us.> pre-op shrink told me I'm also a social eater so my

husband can> easily make me want to eat by overeating himself (he is

banded asActually your husband can NOT make you overeat....but eating

when hedoes is a habit, like all the others we need to break. And

many of usare social eaters....think of all the social events we

eatat...parties, weddings, funerals, birthdays, etc, etc....> well,

not doing as well, not really caring right now-UGH)And as you know,

you can only control you. You may be able to helpyourself (and also

perhaps him) by never having junk in the house. Ifhe wants to have

chips or ice cream, let him go out and get it himselfand NOT bring it

home. I see that as being like what many of us tellfriends who

smoke: " you're welcome to smoke out in the yard, but notin my house " .

Same with the equally " evil " food items.If I get a craving for ice

cream at 900 pm and there isn't any, itwill pass if there's none in

the house. If it is in the house it willprobably get eaten. But it is

unlikely I'll get dressed, go out tothe car, drive to the store, etc,

etc.dan-- Best regards,Dan mailto:honu@...

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