Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 I know this is a little off the subject line, but I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how I can rid of Candida in our home. We all have it. Not sure about my 8 week old, but he's probably well on his way. We need to do something proactive NOW!!! HELP!!! Tara Belderok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Good to here you are doing well on the cellulase , thanks, -D ----- Original Message ----- From: Moeck<mailto:dmoeck@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Candida Hi Tara, I am having great success with a product called Yeast Away (http://peakhealthcareproducts.com/<http://peakhealthcareproducts.com/>) Ph: 1-866-442-0617. I ended up with a serious case of systemic candida 25 years ago when I was under heavy physical and emotional strain and had to take a very strong antibiotic. I spent over $5000. in the first 2 or 3 years trying everything available then. I did a 10-day wheat grass fast and 1 1/2 years of the strict candida diet all to no avail. So I basically gave up on it until this last year when I started having blood sugar and urinary problems. I have been on Yeast Away for about 9 weeks now and all the symptoms seem to be gone. I am itch free for the first time in 25 years and all the other symptoms seem to be gone as well. And what I like the most about it is that there is no die-off and no special diet is required. Just take the capsules every day until the yeast is gone. The product is just a very strong probiotic plus cellulase. The cellulase breaks through the cell wall of the yeast killing it in a way that does not leave a toxic load behind as most anti-fungals do. Good luck, At 09:53 AM 12/8/2006, you wrote: >I know this is a little off the subject line, but I'm wondering if anyone >can tell me how I can rid of Candida in our home. We all have it. Not sure >about my 8 week old, but he's probably well on his way. We need to do >something proactive NOW!!! HELP!!! > >Tara Belderok > > > >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.18 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 ---------- ---------- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.18 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Hi Dave, Thank you. I have kept your words in mind over the past 2 months, wondering if I was spending too much for it. All I know is it seems to have been more effective than anything else I ever tried and I haven't even used $100. worth of it yet. It seems to be a no stress slow and steady type of approach to candida. I am hoping that means that it is also thorough and lasting. At 04:24 PM 12/8/2006, you wrote: >Good to here you are doing well on the cellulase , thanks, -D >----- Original Message ----- >From: Moeck<mailto:dmoeck@...> >To: ><mailto:gallstones%40>gallstones <mailto:gallston\ es > > >Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:09 PM >Subject: Re: Candida > >Hi Tara, > >I am having great success with a product called Yeast Away >(<http://peakhealthcareproducts.com/>http://peakhealthcareproducts.com/<http://\ peakhealthcareproducts.com/>) >Ph: 1-866-442-0617. > >I ended up with a serious case of systemic candida 25 years ago when I was >under heavy physical and emotional strain and had to take a very strong >antibiotic. I spent over $5000. in the first 2 or 3 years trying everything >available then. I did a 10-day wheat grass fast and 1 1/2 years of the >strict candida diet all to no avail. So I basically gave up on it until >this last year when I started having blood sugar and urinary problems. I >have been on Yeast Away for about 9 weeks now and all the symptoms seem to >be gone. I am itch free for the first time in 25 years and all the other >symptoms seem to be gone as well. And what I like the most about it is that >there is no die-off and no special diet is required. Just take the capsules >every day until the yeast is gone. The product is just a very strong >probiotic plus cellulase. The cellulase breaks through the cell wall of the >yeast killing it in a way that does not leave a toxic load behind as most >anti-fungals do. > >Good luck, > > >At 09:53 AM 12/8/2006, you wrote: > > >I know this is a little off the subject line, but I'm wondering if anyone > >can tell me how I can rid of Candida in our home. We all have it. Not sure > >about my 8 week old, but he's probably well on his way. We need to do > >something proactive NOW!!! HELP!!! > > > >Tara Belderok > > > > > > > >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.18 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 > >---------- > >---------- > >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.18 - Release Date: 11/27/2006 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Hi. I am new and from South Africa. After much searching for Sodium Chlorite or MMS, I was told by a pharmaceutical company that Hydrogen peroxide has a similar effect if dosed correctly. Is there anyone who has used this product for candida and had any success or feedback re side effects? Kind Regards Bronwyn Mathews 1 Call ASAP | Call Centre | Manager T:0861111777 F:0866336708 C:0833833156 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of b_blackthorn70 Sent: 16 January 2008 03:44 AM To: Subject: [ ] Hello! Cold sores? Hello, I am new to MMS and this group. I have Lyme Disease and am currently on my 7th day of taking MMS (7 drops, 2x/day). I am going up one drop per dose each day. What about cold sores? I have had a nagging one in the corner of my mouth for over 2 months. Last night I mixed up a small amount of activated MMS and applied some to the sore with a q-tip. I left it on there until it felt " burny " and then I washed it off. It seems less crusty today... Anyone had luck with topical activated MMS for cold sores? According to J. Humble's site, he says MMS will work for Herpes (oral or otherwise) in about 2 weeks of the full strength dose. I suppose the amount I am taking orally will just kill off the virus eventually anyways but I'd like to attack it from another angle. BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Hi new. MMS you can get from ebay as some seller ship world wide. Most poeple will refuse to ship hydrogen peroxyde and it is dangerous if spilled. You can get it from health store. people that sprout seed for food use food grade hydrogen peroxyde to prevent mold . Personnaly I would rather use h2o2 if it does the job because MMS makes me look older when I use it . I suspect the Chlorine in it replace the iodine in my thyroid and drop my hormones level. Iodine fluorine chlorine bromine are in the same atomic class and can subtitude each other in chemical reaction. MMS will kill large amount of bacteria for shure but I was told it is not the best thing for candida. I would rather try grape fruit seed oil or oregano oil. s RE: [ ] Candida Hi. I am new and from South Africa. After much searching for Sodium Chlorite or MMS, Iwas told by a pharmaceutical company that Hydrogen peroxide has a similareffect if dosed correctly. Is there anyone who has used this product forcandida and had any success or feedback re side effects? Kind Regards Bronwyn Mathews 1 Call ASAP | Call Centre | Manager T:0861111777 F:0866336708 C:0833833156 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of b_blackthorn70Sent: 16 January 2008 03:44 AM Subject: [ ] Hello! Cold sores? Hello,I am new to MMS and this group. I have Lyme Disease and am currentlyon my 7th day of taking MMS (7 drops, 2x/day). I am going up one dropper dose each day.What about cold sores? I have had a nagging one in the corner of mymouth for over 2 months. Last night I mixed up a small amount ofactivated MMS and applied some to the sore with a q-tip. I left it onthere until it felt "burny" and then I washed it off. It seems lesscrusty today...Anyone had luck with topical activated MMS for cold sores? Accordingto J. Humble's site, he says MMS will work for Herpes (oral orotherwise) in about 2 weeks of the full strength dose. I suppose theamount I am taking orally will just kill off the virus eventuallyanyways but I'd like to attack it from another angle.BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Hey there, I will try and answer both this and Fred's post at the same time. First, the 4 step process that Fred mentioned is essentially it. The fact that both of these situations are " self diagnosed " does not worry me a bit. You guys are far more in touch with yourselves than most medical practitioners. I see the " miss diagnosis " of " candida " as much from the alternative community as I do from individuals. After saying that I still have to remain suspect and here is why: These symptoms can be caused by a myriad of situations, bacteria, funguses, and protozoa not being the least. When you look at a questionnaire to determine whether or not you have candida and you end up having a whole lot of boxes x'ed, you end up making the assumption that it is candida. And it may very well be. I would estimate that 3 out of 4 times that someone comes to me to try and handle candida, the candida is not the main issue. We all have candida in our systems. Candida becomes an issue when it overgrows and muscles out the probiotics. Other organisms can do the same thing. From the dietary standpoint if the actual issue is a different organism the protocol is usually pretty similar but could involve proteins or something else. Allergic reactions or allergic like reactions can also cause these types of symptoms. When I say allergic like let me give you an example. You have a bacteria that loves corn. You ingest corn and the bacteria comes to dinner, reproduces in large quantity, and produces a lot of metabolic waste products. You have a sensitivity to these metabolic waste products and become miserable. This was not a corn allergy. If you control the bacteria, you can still eat corn. Yeasts and funguses are very similar in terms of a program but bacteria and viruses are very different in some ways. And of course if the symptoms are not being created by an organism the program will possibly be all together different in most or all ways. I am not familiar with threelac but by the name am assuming that it is a product containing three strains of lactobacillus. Again, my normal approach would be to commit genocide and then to come in with the probiotics afterwards which is a very important part. I am also not familiar with the allergy tests mentioned. I can tell you that skin tests are a close to worthless as is possible. 80% of all positives are false positives. The only fairly accurate test is the 24 hour blood test where the introduce the allergen to live blood and then watch the blood's response over the next 24 hours. even then this is a crap shoot because you are subjecting the blood sample to the allergen directly and skipping the digestive and assimilation processes. I use an energetic method to to evaluate the situation which is completely different. Kolorex is an excellent product but is quite expensive so I only use it when stuck and not able to handle the issue with normal means. When I need it it is invaluable. Caprylic and the other similar medium chain triglycerides are usually extracted commercially from coconut oil. The herbs I mentioned is a very unconventional group for this issue. The celandine leaf is an European liver herb and probably the most anti yeast. A large herb shop that has a European bent would probably have it but finding it in a health food store is not too likely. White oak bark is also European and quite common. the amur cork tree bark is known as huang bo in Chinese medicine and would be available in any Chinese herb shop. A typical regime would be 8-12 " 00 " caps of celandine with 4-8 caps of both amur cork and white oak per day. The caprylic acid would be 2-4 per day for the first 5-14 days. These figures are just general averages and each individual is completely different. Sorry for such a nefarious answer but there is no way that I can give specific dosages over the internet. I have yet to see a situation where we needed to rotate the antifungals. As long as you hit a complete group you can whack it pretty well. I have seen where the candida adjusted and morphed to the point that the program had to change in order to " chase " it. You will never get rid of it all for good. This is not the object. the object is to reduce the colony dramatically and then rebuild the probiotics. Once the probiotic colonies are reestablished and the proper environment is created the competition will keep the candida at a manageable level. Hope this helps. -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: dreaminginnoother<mailto:dreaminginnoother@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Re: COLONICS Your protocol sounds pretty inclusive of what most recommend for candida. I agree that candida is blamed for almost everything now in the alternative community, and I have lots of symptoms that fall under the candida umbrella, but what makes me specifically think it is candida related is the drunkeness and laughing fits I always used to get. I found cutting out carbs made a big difference on this, but did not make me better so I have been shooting every therapy down my throat that I can find. Have you had any experience with threelac? I have come across kolorex before but never tried it. You have much luck with that? What do you think about food allergy testing like ALCAT or LEAP? greg > > Hi Fred, > > When dealing with clients and candida I always develop an individual protocol depending on the situation. Everyone is different and therefore the program should be too. However I can give you the blood and guts foundation information but you may need to tweak it around a bit. > > First thing is that when someone comes to me with a diagnosis of " candida " I am always suspect. This is a condition du jour (sp?). Often when people cannot figure it out they tag someone with this. Often I find that it is something else. Having said that and assuming in your case that it is candida here we go. > > Candida is considered a yeast but can show up differently morphologically depending on the position in it's life cycle and in reaction to it's environment. when it get's really nasty it looks like some type of spiked " mid evil " (sp correct) weapon and can perforate the intestinal wall (causing leaky gut) and then go systemic. If we can catch it before this it is relatively easy to deal with. All this garbage that we use against it that we throw down the throat gets to it in the digestive tract easily and in high concentration but if it gets systemic we have to assimilate the substances systemically where they are also diluted. The program will be pretty much the same in either case but it is far more difficult when systemic. > > No matter what is used the approach is basically the same. Shock and awe. We throw an onslaught at it that it cannot defend against. We are Borg, resistance is futile. After we have kicked butt, there will always be some survivors so we resettle the territory with our friends and create the environment that is beneficial to our desired inhabitants and not so comfortable for the candida. > > The herbal base is celandine leaf, amur cork tree bark, and white oak bark. The biggest gun is caprylic (or other fatty acids within the group such as undelic (sp?) acid) acid but it is usually in in small amounts short term in the very beginning. It will usually be in (if appropriate for 7-14 days and then it will be strictly the herbs from there on out. These fatty acids can be a bit irritating to the digestive tract at times. Once in awhile there is a case where these will not quite do it in which case we bring in a very obscure herb that comes from New Zealand, puedowinteria colorata. There is only one company that has this, they have an exclusive contract with the government, Forrest Herbs. the product is called Kolorex and it will come with capsules of anise seed that increases the effect when used together. > Once we have created yeast and fungal genocide, we bring in the probiotic settlers and FOSs (fructo oligo saccarides) to farm the land. The changing of diet (dramatic reduction in processed carbohydrates) is usually a very good idea and sometimes imperative. > > Other substances that may be helpful in different cases are Pau d'arco (delicious in tea form and a great immune enhancer no matter what), oregano oil, gum benzoin, chaparral, grapefruit seed extract, zinc, selenium, any and all astringent herbs. > > Hope you find this useful. > > Always, in all ways, > -Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...> > To: gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\ <mailto:gallstones >> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:54 AM > Subject: Re: COLONICS > > > Dave, what is your recommended protocol for candida? I will be sitting > on the edge of my seat waiting for your response! > > Thanks so much!!! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Do you all know about the home test for yeast? Set a glass of water out at night before going to bed. The next morning, don't touch the glass of water, just lean over and spit (I know - yucky) in the glass of water. Look at the glass about 15 minutes later. If your sputum is floating on top of the water, you do not have a yeast problem. If it has sunk to the bottom, or is stringing down toward the bottom, then you do. Guy , president of BioActive Nutrients, sells an antifungal kit, which you take in rotation. He has a brochure which explains about this procedure. He may even explain in on his website; I haven't looked in awhile. Amber When you look at a questionnaire to determine whether or not you have candida and you end up having a whole lot of boxes x'ed, you end up making the assumption that it is candida. I have yet to see a situation where we needed to rotate the antifungals. -Dave . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Dave, how do you know that candida is not the issue in most of these people? How do you determine this? Maybe your reply will help me determine whether I have a firm diagnosis or not. As for rotating the antifungals, you say that is not necessary. But you also say that the candida morphs and you have to change the program. I thought that was the idea behind the need for rotation, that the candida can build up resistance. Can you clarify this for me? Thanks so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I have candida infection which was diagnosed by ALCAT test first. It showed many other intolerances for foods, mold and chemicals. It helped me very much bc I am able to avoid pain and bloating from intolerance.I was able to treat disbyosis and even allergy with Probiotics taking it for 1 year.But I believe that i still have candida even after Duflican drug and Candex in maintenance dose. Now it is not such bad, no brain fog, no thrush and no much pain in my muscles but my tongue is still whitish.I still have weakness and anxiety, pain in stomach and esophagus I may have the same symptoms from H. Pylori infection. What would you recommend for H.Pylori? Do you think I will not be able to treat it if I still have candida? I can`t tolerate many supplements bc of gastritis, GERD and intolerances. Caprilic acid supposed to be acidic. I have red that nobody can cure any infection if immune system and hormones are not balansed. But I am afraid to take hormones due to sensitivity to that. Immune boosters are usually create much side effects too.I can`t move bile too bc I have pain in the stomach after that. I would appreciate to have your opinion. Liz -- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote: > > Hey there, > > I will try and answer both this and Fred's post at the same time. First, the 4 step process that Fred mentioned is essentially it. The fact that both of these situations are " self diagnosed " does not worry me a bit. You guys are far more in touch with yourselves than most medical practitioners. I see the " miss diagnosis " of " candida " as much from the alternative community as I do from individuals. After saying that I still have to remain suspect and here is why: These symptoms can be caused by a myriad of situations, bacteria, funguses, and protozoa not being the least. When you look at a questionnaire to determine whether or not you have candida and you end up having a whole lot of boxes x'ed, you end up making the assumption that it is candida. And it may very well be. I would estimate that 3 out of 4 times that someone comes to me to try and handle candida, the candida is not the main issue. We all have candida in our systems. Candida becomes an issue when it overgrows and muscles out the probiotics. Other organisms can do the same thing. From the dietary standpoint if the actual issue is a different organism the protocol is usually pretty similar but could involve proteins or something else. Allergic reactions or allergic like reactions can also cause these types of symptoms. When I say allergic like let me give you an example. You have a bacteria that loves corn. You ingest corn and the bacteria comes to dinner, reproduces in large quantity, and produces a lot of metabolic waste products. You have a sensitivity to these metabolic waste products and become miserable. This was not a corn allergy. If you control the bacteria, you can still eat corn. Yeasts and funguses are very similar in terms of a program but bacteria and viruses are very different in some ways. And of course if the symptoms are not being created by an organism the program will possibly be all together different in most or all ways. > > > I am not familiar with threelac but by the name am assuming that it is a product containing three strains of lactobacillus. Again, my normal approach would be to commit genocide and then to come in with the probiotics afterwards which is a very important part. I am also not familiar with the allergy tests mentioned. I can tell you that skin tests are a close to worthless as is possible. 80% of all positives are false positives. The only fairly accurate test is the 24 hour blood test where the introduce the allergen to live blood and then watch the blood's response over the next 24 hours. even then this is a crap shoot because you are subjecting the blood sample to the allergen directly and skipping the digestive and assimilation processes. I use an energetic method to to evaluate the situation which is completely different. Kolorex is an excellent product but is quite expensive so I only use it when stuck and not able to handle the issue with normal means. When I need it it is invaluable. > > Caprylic and the other similar medium chain triglycerides are usually extracted commercially from coconut oil. The herbs I mentioned is a very unconventional group for this issue. The celandine leaf is an European liver herb and probably the most anti yeast. A large herb shop that has a European bent would probably have it but finding it in a health food store is not too likely. White oak bark is also European and quite common. the amur cork tree bark is known as huang bo in Chinese medicine and would be available in any Chinese herb shop. A typical regime would be 8- 12 " 00 " caps of celandine with 4-8 caps of both amur cork and white oak per day. The caprylic acid would be 2-4 per day for the first 5- 14 days. These figures are just general averages and each individual is completely different. Sorry for such a nefarious answer but there is no way that I can give specific dosages over the internet. > > I have yet to see a situation where we needed to rotate the antifungals. As long as you hit a complete group you can whack it pretty well. I have seen where the candida adjusted and morphed to the point that the program had to change in order to " chase " it. You will never get rid of it all for good. This is not the object. the object is to reduce the colony dramatically and then rebuild the probiotics. Once the probiotic colonies are reestablished and the proper environment is created the competition will keep the candida at a manageable level. > > Hope this helps. > > -Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dreaminginnoother<mailto:dreaminginnoother@...> > To: gallstones <mailto:gallstones > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: COLONICS > > > Your protocol sounds pretty inclusive of what most recommend for > candida. I agree that candida is blamed for almost everything now in > the alternative community, and I have lots of symptoms that fall under > the candida umbrella, but what makes me specifically think it is > candida related is the drunkeness and laughing fits I always used to > get. I found cutting out carbs made a big difference on this, but did > not make me better so I have been shooting every therapy down my > throat that I can find. > Have you had any experience with threelac? I have come across kolorex > before but never tried it. You have much luck with that? What do you > think about food allergy testing like ALCAT or LEAP? > > greg > > > > > > Hi Fred, > > > > When dealing with clients and candida I always develop an > individual protocol depending on the situation. Everyone is different > and therefore the program should be too. However I can give you the > blood and guts foundation information but you may need to tweak it > around a bit. > > > > First thing is that when someone comes to me with a diagnosis > of " candida " I am always suspect. This is a condition du jour (sp?). > Often when people cannot figure it out they tag someone with this. > Often I find that it is something else. Having said that and assuming > in your case that it is candida here we go. > > > > Candida is considered a yeast but can show up differently > morphologically depending on the position in it's life cycle and in > reaction to it's environment. when it get's really nasty it looks > like some type of spiked " mid evil " (sp correct) weapon and can > perforate the intestinal wall (causing leaky gut) and then go > systemic. If we can catch it before this it is relatively easy to > deal with. All this garbage that we use against it that we throw down > the throat gets to it in the digestive tract easily and in high > concentration but if it gets systemic we have to assimilate the > substances systemically where they are also diluted. The program will > be pretty much the same in either case but it is far more difficult > when systemic. > > > > No matter what is used the approach is basically the same. > Shock and awe. We throw an onslaught at it that it cannot defend > against. We are Borg, resistance is futile. After we have kicked > butt, there will always be some survivors so we resettle the territory > with our friends and create the environment that is beneficial to our > desired inhabitants and not so comfortable for the candida. > > > > The herbal base is celandine leaf, amur cork tree bark, and > white oak bark. The biggest gun is caprylic (or other fatty acids > within the group such as undelic (sp?) acid) acid but it is usually in > in small amounts short term in the very beginning. It will usually be > in (if appropriate for 7-14 days and then it will be strictly the > herbs from there on out. These fatty acids can be a bit irritating to > the digestive tract at times. Once in awhile there is a case where > these will not quite do it in which case we bring in a very obscure > herb that comes from New Zealand, puedowinteria colorata. There is > only one company that has this, they have an exclusive contract with > the government, Forrest Herbs. the product is called Kolorex and it > will come with capsules of anise seed that increases the effect when > used together. > > Once we have created yeast and fungal genocide, we bring in the > probiotic settlers and FOSs (fructo oligo saccarides) to farm the > land. The changing of diet (dramatic reduction in processed > carbohydrates) is usually a very good idea and sometimes imperative. > > > > Other substances that may be helpful in different cases are Pau > d'arco (delicious in tea form and a great immune enhancer no matter > what), oregano oil, gum benzoin, chaparral, grapefruit seed extract, > zinc, selenium, any and all astringent herbs. > > > > Hope you find this useful. > > > > Always, in all ways, > > -Dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@> > > To: gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto: gallstones <mailto:gallstones >> > > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:54 AM > > Subject: Re: COLONICS > > > > > > Dave, what is your recommended protocol for candida? I will be > sitting > > on the edge of my seat waiting for your response! > > > > Thanks so much!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Again, I use an energetic technique to evaluate a situation. This unfortunately is not explainable over the internet. You probably do not need to worry whether you have a firm diagnosis or not, the proof would be in the pudding... Have you been applying candida remedies, and have you gotten significantly better? If the answer is yes, then you can be pretty sure your on to it. If you have been applying therapies and there has not been significant progress then you probably are off the mark. I know this is again a nefarious answer but the best I can give over cyberspace. The standard treatments like pau d'arco, oregano oil, Nystatin, etc should have some effect no matter what even though they might not be the total answer. I see a lot of people who have been dealing with " candida " for sometimes many years. This is the first warning sign that it might not be candida. This should not be a situation where you try and manage it for the rest of your life. My experience has been that with people who truly have a candida infestation that intestinally it is a matter of a few weeks and systemically a matter of a few months. As I have said this litany of symptoms can be caused by a myriad of other issues at times and after evaluation it looks like it could be a different imbalance and then we apply a program geared for the other issue and the person gets significantly better in a short period of time, I make the assumption that it was probably not candida. I do not diagnose and prescribe. I look for indications of imbalances and then make suggestions of things that may help to bring the individual back to " balance " and " homeostasis " . Stasis of the human body is not with an infestation of this organism anymore than it is with gallstones. Gallstones may form " normally " but they are not " normal " . This is the great difference between an allopathic approach and a " natural health " approach. Notice that I did not say " natural medicine " . Allopathy is the treatment of symptoms, conditions, or organisms. The concept is that the individual is imperfect and that management exogenously is needed. Natural health takes the tact that the human body is for the most part an exceptional organism and as long as given what it needs, not subjected to those things that may be detrimental, and it eliminates what it does not need or is detrimental that it will maintain a high level of health. The diagnosis is immaterial and in many cases may be detrimental. The question is, " In what way is this individual off their gyroscope? " . And then, " How do we bring them back to center? " Where allopathy excels is in emergency medicine, situations of lack of compliance, and issues of damage or insufficiency with the normal processes. If you are a type one diabetic you had probably better take insulin. If you are a hemophiliac, a synthetic blood clotting agent may save your life (as well as a transfusion). Natural health can be foolishly followed as well. The concept of rotating the anti fungals is a protocol based action. Since I use an energetic method to evaluate, I have seen this " energetic " morph which required the changing of the program and radically so but this is extremely rare. So the protocol approach of rotation not only is mostly unnecessary but could potentially screw up the treatment if the treatment you are using is correct and then you rotate to something that is not. It is bouncing around and may give the candida colony time to regroup. I also see this all the time where for a particular issue a proper approach is deserted for a " potentially better " one too soon and the client goes round and round to no avail. Again, hope this helps, -Dave From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: Re: candida Dave, how do you know that candida is not the issue in most of these people? How do you determine this? Maybe your reply will help me determine whether I have a firm diagnosis or not. As for rotating the antifungals, you say that is not necessary. But you also say that the candida morphs and you have to change the program. I thought that was the idea behind the need for rotation, that the candida can build up resistance. Can you clarify this for me? Thanks so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 thanks for all the info, dave. greg > > > > Hi Fred, > > > > When dealing with clients and candida I always develop an > individual protocol depending on the situation. Everyone is different > and therefore the program should be too. However I can give you the > blood and guts foundation information but you may need to tweak it > around a bit. > > > > First thing is that when someone comes to me with a diagnosis > of " candida " I am always suspect. This is a condition du jour (sp?). > Often when people cannot figure it out they tag someone with this. > Often I find that it is something else. Having said that and assuming > in your case that it is candida here we go. > > > > Candida is considered a yeast but can show up differently > morphologically depending on the position in it's life cycle and in > reaction to it's environment. when it get's really nasty it looks > like some type of spiked " mid evil " (sp correct) weapon and can > perforate the intestinal wall (causing leaky gut) and then go > systemic. If we can catch it before this it is relatively easy to > deal with. All this garbage that we use against it that we throw down > the throat gets to it in the digestive tract easily and in high > concentration but if it gets systemic we have to assimilate the > substances systemically where they are also diluted. The program will > be pretty much the same in either case but it is far more difficult > when systemic. > > > > No matter what is used the approach is basically the same. > Shock and awe. We throw an onslaught at it that it cannot defend > against. We are Borg, resistance is futile. After we have kicked > butt, there will always be some survivors so we resettle the territory > with our friends and create the environment that is beneficial to our > desired inhabitants and not so comfortable for the candida. > > > > The herbal base is celandine leaf, amur cork tree bark, and > white oak bark. The biggest gun is caprylic (or other fatty acids > within the group such as undelic (sp?) acid) acid but it is usually in > in small amounts short term in the very beginning. It will usually be > in (if appropriate for 7-14 days and then it will be strictly the > herbs from there on out. These fatty acids can be a bit irritating to > the digestive tract at times. Once in awhile there is a case where > these will not quite do it in which case we bring in a very obscure > herb that comes from New Zealand, puedowinteria colorata. There is > only one company that has this, they have an exclusive contract with > the government, Forrest Herbs. the product is called Kolorex and it > will come with capsules of anise seed that increases the effect when > used together. > > Once we have created yeast and fungal genocide, we bring in the > probiotic settlers and FOSs (fructo oligo saccarides) to farm the > land. The changing of diet (dramatic reduction in processed > carbohydrates) is usually a very good idea and sometimes imperative. > > > > Other substances that may be helpful in different cases are Pau > d'arco (delicious in tea form and a great immune enhancer no matter > what), oregano oil, gum benzoin, chaparral, grapefruit seed extract, > zinc, selenium, any and all astringent herbs. > > > > Hope you find this useful. > > > > Always, in all ways, > > -Dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@> > > To: gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\ <mailto:gallstones >> > > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:54 AM > > Subject: Re: COLONICS > > > > > > Dave, what is your recommended protocol for candida? I will be > sitting > > on the edge of my seat waiting for your response! > > > > Thanks so much!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I have come across this test many times in the past few years. I have taken multiple products that claim to change the results of this test. Yet I have consistently, through all my therapies, had a very stringy spit that makes it all the way to bottom of the glass within a couple minutes. If that test is true, I definitely have candida. But for some reason nothing seems to change it. greg > > Do you all know about the home test for yeast? Set a glass of water out at night before going to bed. The next morning, don't touch the glass of water, just lean over and spit (I know - yucky) in the glass of water. Look at the glass about 15 minutes later. If your sputum is floating on top of the water, you do not have a yeast problem. If it has sunk to the bottom, or is stringing down toward the bottom, then you do. Guy , president of BioActive Nutrients, sells an antifungal kit, which you take in rotation. He has a brochure which explains about this procedure. He may even explain in on his website; I haven't looked in awhile. > > Amber > > > > > When you look at a questionnaire to determine whether or not you have candida and you end up having a whole lot of boxes x'ed, you end up making the assumption that it is candida. > > I have yet to see a situation where we needed to rotate the antifungals. > > > -Dave > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Yup, that's the test all right. Sounds like you had a good case of it. Do you have a Dr. who would prescribe Nystatin or Diflucan for you? If not, you may want to check with BioActive Nutrients and try their antifungal kit. Amber I have come across this test many times in the past few years. I have taken multiple products that claim to change the results of this test. Yet I have consistently, through all my therapies, had a very stringy spit that makes it all the way to bottom of the glass within a couple minutes. If that test is true, I definitely have candida. But for some reason nothing seems to change it. greg . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 I have brought up the ALCAT thing here before. Would you say the test was worth the $400 or whatever? Does avoidance of certain foods really make a big difference? greg > > I have candida infection which was diagnosed by ALCAT test first. It > showed many other intolerances for foods, mold and chemicals. It > helped me very much bc I am able to avoid pain and bloating from > intolerance.I was able to treat disbyosis and even allergy with > Probiotics taking it for 1 year.But I believe that i still have > candida even after Duflican drug and Candex in maintenance dose. Now > it is not such bad, no brain fog, no thrush and no much pain in my > muscles but my tongue is still whitish.I still have weakness and > anxiety, pain in stomach and esophagus I may have the same symptoms > from H. Pylori infection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 You can benefit at least from avoidance of worst intolerances and less pain, imflamation and other problems. And probably you can restore ability to digest some foods after 3 - 6 months of diet. I still have many intolerances but at least I know what to eat. Before that I tried to elimination test and tried to write down all what I eat. It is very difficult to find out intolerance. It can show up in a day or two and you will not know why. There are many other tests but I didn`t try them. Eg G antigen test can be done through allergy doc, it is better that Eg E test for food. But you can try home test if you want. Put one kind of food under tongue and hold 10 minutes. Check your pulse before and after that. If it changed you may have allergy or intolerance. Another test: dring milk on empty stomach and watch 4 hours. If you will have any symptoms like pain, bloating, anxiety, paltipation, clogged nose, post-nasal drip, skin irritation, etc, you may have intolerance. I never suspect I have milk protein intolerance even after operation on my nose. I didn`t notised it at all. But after diet for 3 months it became more clear bc I had running nose and finally bag cold. I still don`t see any symptoms of gladin/gluten intolerance but I eat gluten, wheat and yeast free bread. I buy it from health store and cook myself in oven. Amber, thanks for advice. You probably bought Mastic Gam or Colostrum in health store. I can`t tolerate both bc it is milk and sugar. Liz > > > > I have candida infection which was diagnosed by ALCAT test first. It > > showed many other intolerances for foods, mold and chemicals. It > > helped me very much bc I am able to avoid pain and bloating from > > intolerance.I was able to treat disbyosis and even allergy with > > Probiotics taking it for 1 year.But I believe that i still have > > candida even after Duflican drug and Candex in maintenance dose. Now > > it is not such bad, no brain fog, no thrush and no much pain in my > > muscles but my tongue is still whitish.I still have weakness and > > anxiety, pain in stomach and esophagus I may have the same symptoms > > from H. Pylori infection. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Could have been the first thing, because I know it wasn't Colostrum. But it did help her. Amber Amber, thanks for advice. You probably bought Mastic Gam or Colostrum in health store. I can`t tolerate both bc it is milk and sugar. Liz . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Mastic gum is the exude from the bark of the mastic tree (I believe an acacia), no dairy. -D ----- Original Message ----- From: Amber <mailto:amber@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: candida Could have been the first thing, because I know it wasn't Colostrum. But it did help her. Amber Amber, thanks for advice. You probably bought Mastic Gam or Colostrum in health store. I can`t tolerate both bc it is milk and sugar. Liz . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Well intolerances to gluten and dairy are the common ones and I avoid those. I have not noticed a huge difference with the intake of gluten either, but I also avoid it. My reaction to dairy is clear though. I will get a runny nose within a few hours. I am curious about specific foods. I have tried elimination diets, but eating 2 or 3 foods for a couple of weeks is very hard, and no elimination diet I have tried has gotten rid of the bloating or reflux, so either I have reaction to the foods I was doing the diet on, or it is not a food specific problem at all. Also I was reading somewhere else how the testing does not address the gut bacterial reactions or their biproducts to certain foods. I still think I will try one of these tests just because I have tried everything else with no success. greg > > > > > > I have candida infection which was diagnosed by ALCAT test > first. It > > > showed many other intolerances for foods, mold and chemicals. It > > > helped me very much bc I am able to avoid pain and bloating from > > > intolerance.I was able to treat disbyosis and even allergy with > > > Probiotics taking it for 1 year.But I believe that i still have > > > candida even after Duflican drug and Candex in maintenance dose. > Now > > > it is not such bad, no brain fog, no thrush and no much pain in > my > > > muscles but my tongue is still whitish.I still have weakness and > > > anxiety, pain in stomach and esophagus I may have the same > symptoms > > > from H. Pylori infection. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 You don`t have to be on one food for elimination test I wrote about. Just eliminate one food for one week or two. Thank do this test with pulse or eat it on emply stomach to see results.Write down it and nexy week try another food.I have see more cheap tests but I don`t know how good is it. You can google for it or if you will not find I can find my old records. Liz > > > > > > > > I have candida infection which was diagnosed by ALCAT test > > first. It > > > > showed many other intolerances for foods, mold and chemicals. It > > > > helped me very much bc I am able to avoid pain and bloating from > > > > intolerance.I was able to treat disbyosis and even allergy with > > > > Probiotics taking it for 1 year.But I believe that i still have > > > > candida even after Duflican drug and Candex in maintenance dose. > > Now > > > > it is not such bad, no brain fog, no thrush and no much pain in > > my > > > > muscles but my tongue is still whitish.I still have weakness and > > > > anxiety, pain in stomach and esophagus I may have the same > > symptoms > > > > from H. Pylori infection. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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