Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 http://fluoridealert.org/health/brain/idd.html look at rt3/t3 ratio in iodine defieicny normal thyroid.. > > Do you have a reference for this? Thanks. Zoe > > Re: Ioderal and adrenals > > > I read that iodine can alter t4 to t3 conversion due to lack of deiodoation in the liver. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Dorothy, > Maybe you could post your lab > results so those here with experience in these things (not me, I am > afraid) could give their opinion on whether or not your doctor knew > how to interpret them properly. sorry, I forgot to post the lab values. My latest ones were: FT3 3.03 pg/ml FT4 13.2 pg/ml TSH 1.41 mIU/l TPO <10 IU/ml TRAK <8.0 U/l ACTH 6.9 ng/l Cortisol 180.0 ng/ml DHEAS 2.9 mcg/ml Testosterone 5.6 ng/ml Dihydrotest. 1451 pg/ml GH 2.7 mcg/l IGF-1 385.0 ng/ml > Since I have been taking 50 mg of iodine/iodide a day my tinnitus > (basically from hypothyroidism, I think) has increased. I attribute it > to detoxing bromine and hope that means it will get better. I am > convinced iodine can only help. Two years ago when the adenoma had not yet been diagnosed, a doctor put me on 75mcg of Thyroxine which led to the same worsening of symptoms of fatigue and tinnitus as I am experiencing now with the potassium iodide. > > lab values for adrenal, thyroid, growth and sex hormones show > perfect values, but I am > > still not able to exercise without getting extremely mentally > fatigued the following two > > days. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Hi , I was very fatigued for many years before my thryoid attached itself from Hashimoto's. I was not aware of the 'adrenal fatigue' or what to do about it. I think what is going on with you is probably a few things. So you might want to get a saliva test and blood spot test for your adrenals and hormones. Your adrenals may be very low and need supplementation. Your hormones, including the thyroid could be off giving you trouble also. Was your doctor going by the TSH for your thryoid ? Or the Free T3 Free T4 ? (big differences). TSH is for the pituitary. Now you have also had a surgery ( assault) to your pituitary gland also. Iodine supplementation is always a great idea, as we are all deficient in that important thing that carries off toxins, bad cells etc. However, you might be feeling something off with your iodine supplementation. Are you doing Sea salt ( celtic, redmonds) loading to carry away the toxins, as well as taking a high amt of Vit C and Selinium ? The iodine may just be stirring up the toxins trying to come out of your body.. I hope this info helps you. Iodoral and Adrenals Hi everybody,I am 35 years old and new to this forum. For seven years I have been suffering from fatigue and quick exhaustion when performing mental or physical work. 6 months ago, a benign adenoma was discovered in my pituitary and successfully removed. Right now, the lab values for adrenal, thyroid, growth and sex hormones show perfect values, but I am still not able to exercise without getting extremely mentally fatigued the following two days. Additionally my body temperature is usually very low.I read a lot about orthoiodosupplement ation and want to try taking Iodoral. But as I am a careful person, I started by taking a small dose (800mcg) of conventional potassium iodide for five days. This small dose made my fatigue a lot worse. The last mornings I woke up totaly brain fogged and got completely tired after meals. Even the intensity of my tinnitus doubled. So now I am hesitant to try even more iodine.Does anybody have experience with this kind of reaction to iodide?After the surgery I was put on hydrocortisone which I slowly tapered off within 8 weeks.Might it be that the iodide is hurting my adrenals?Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Hi , I can empathize with your situation as I am almost 32 and have had debilitating fatigue and other symptoms for the last 4 years (though I can see how things were leading up to my decline before that)! I read about orthoiodosupplementation years ago, but was discouraged because I felt I got negative reactions even to very tiny amounts of iodine ... and I didn't even have my terrible fatigue until after I got on thyroid hormones - so I was very wary, to say the least! It wasn't until I did my first iodine spot and loading test early this year, and found that I was moderately deficient, that I became convinced and committed to giving iodine a real shot! I recommend doing the tests with Dr. Flechas (pretty affordable and you can do it long distance) because he gives a free consultation with each test - which I have found helpful - though it's short so you have to know what you need to ask him ahead of time! This time around, I am having less and less bad reactions to the iodine, as time goes by. Researching as well as asking questions to this group has helped me a lot!! Also taking a high quality multi-vitamin and the other supporting nutrients (especially Vit C) helps the response to iodine. I think I was deficient in a lot of things so ... Most people also do really well with the salt loading ... Another interesting thing I read is that thyroid hormones (specifically T4 only like Synthroid - though perhaps even Armour T3/T4 as well) can exacerbate an iodine deficiency. It could be why I responded so badly to thyroid hormones. Of course Adrenals can be a big factor as well ... Also I saw your test results - but could you possibly post the ranges too - because many ranges are different and relative ... We will be able to know more with the range information. Sincerely, Marlena > > Hi everybody, > > I am 35 years old and new to this forum. For seven years I have been suffering from > fatigue and quick exhaustion when performing mental or physical work. 6 months ago, a > benign adenoma was discovered in my pituitary and successfully removed. Right now, the > lab values for adrenal, thyroid, growth and sex hormones show perfect values, but I am > still not able to exercise without getting extremely mentally fatigued the following two > days. Additionally my body temperature is usually very low. > I read a lot about orthoiodosupplementation and want to try taking Iodoral. > But as I am a careful person, I started by taking a small dose (800mcg) of conventional > potassium iodide for five days. This small dose made my fatigue a lot worse. The last > mornings I woke up totaly brain fogged and got completely tired after meals. Even the > intensity of my tinnitus doubled. So now I am hesitant to try even more iodine. > Does anybody have experience with this kind of reaction to iodide? > After the surgery I was put on hydrocortisone which I slowly tapered off within 8 weeks. > Might it be that the iodide is hurting my adrenals? > > Cheers > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 mentioned that his tinnitus was worse with iodine, and Dorothy said: > Since I have been taking 50 mg of iodine/iodide a day my tinnitus > (basically from hypothyroidism, I think) has increased. I attribute it > to detoxing bromine and hope that means it will get better. I am > convinced iodine can only help. I also have tinnitus and have done a lot of research on the condition. It is not necessarily associated with low thyroid, but it IS a classic sign of adrenal depletion. The ears reflect the health of the kidney/adrenal complex. Likewise the eyes and skin reflect the health of the liver/detox mechanisms. Cheers, the Florida Herbalist --- nowski Hawthorne, Florida sumar@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 asked: > Have you found a real solution for your adrenal problems? > Hydrocortisone did not work for me. > I think will give Iodoral a try together with vitamin C. Will it be > wise to slowly ramp up to 50mg? There isn't any single " pill " or quick fix for adrenal exhaustion. You might be able to prop yourself up with cortisone (or with antidepressants...like many Americans do), but you will not find lasting health that way, and the problem will just continue to plague you or will show up as some more serious condition later. The only thing that REALLY heals the adrenals is TIME, REST, NOURISHMENT. You've got to adjust your expectations, reduce your stress levels, and get 9-10 hours of sleep each night or else you will never be able to overcome the depletion in the long run. Of course, our culture doesn't exactly support adrenal health, does it? ;-) Iodine is somewhat supportive of the adrenals, but what it really targets is the thyroid, which is almost always co-depleted with the adrenals. But once you help your adrenals come back to health, the thyroid will often follow. To rebuild the adrenals, you need to go on a protocol for adrenal deficiency...usually an adrenal glandular along with the supportive cofactors (vitamins and minerals, esp B vits, Vit C, Mg, Zn, sea salt), along with a super nourishing diet (check out the Weston Price Foundation diet -- lots of high-quality fats, cod liver oil, bone broths...), and REST. Google " adrenal exhaustion " and you'll get lots of information. I would suggest reading at least 3 or 4 protocols from different sources and then putting together a plan that makes sense for yourself. Look for organic glandulars from New Zealand, which are readily available on the market now. The supplements from Standard Process are good, but many of them contain wheat and/or dairy, so watch out if you are sensitive to either of those. SP's glandulars unfortunately are not organic. Plan to stay on your program for at two years. After the first year, you can consider adding herbal " adaptogens " to your protocol. Adaptogens (like Siberian ginseng, for example) help your body (i.e., your adrenals) adapt to and overcome the effects of stress. BUT you can't get better adapted if your adrenal are totally deficient. So build them up first (in year one), then become more adaptive (in year two). Resist the urge to take some combination product that contains a whole bunch of herbs that promise to help, because you really need to nourish the physical structure of the adrenal glands first with the glandulars before you do anything else. Does that make sense? And find out if you have a food sensitivity. Gluten sensitivity is a common one for adrenal and thyroid depletion. If you can find a local practitioner to support you, it will help immensely. Luck, --- nowski Hawthorne, Florida sumar@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 I disagree with this. I would have no life at all without HC. I was untreated hypo/iodine deficient for 50 years. Read Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies MD Gracia asked:> Have you found a real solution for your adrenal problems? > Hydrocortisone did not work for me.> I think will give Iodoral a try together with vitamin C. Will it be > wise to slowly ramp up to 50mg?There isn't any single "pill" or quick fix for adrenal exhaustion. Youmight be able to prop yourself up with cortisone (or withantidepressants...like many Americans do), but you will not find lastinghealth that way, and the problem will just continue to plague you orwill show up as some more serious condition later. The only thing thatREALLY heals the adrenals is TIME, REST, NOURISHMENT. You've got toadjust your expectations, reduce your stress levels, and get 9-10 hoursof sleep each night or else you will never be able to overcome thedepletion in the long run. Of course, our culture doesn't exactlysupport adrenal health, does it? ;-)Iodine is somewhat supportive of the adrenals, but what it reallytargets is the thyroid, which is almost always co-depleted with theadrenals. But once you help your adrenals come back to health, thethyroid will often follow. To rebuild the adrenals, you need to go on aprotocol for adrenal deficiency...usually an adrenal glandular alongwith the supportive cofactors (vitamins and minerals, esp B vits, Vit C,Mg, Zn, sea salt), along with a super nourishing diet (check out theWeston Price Foundation diet -- lots of high-quality fats, cod liveroil, bone broths...), and REST. Google "adrenal exhaustion" and you'llget lots of information. I would suggest reading at least 3 or 4protocols from different sources and then putting together a plan thatmakes sense for yourself. Look for organic glandulars from New Zealand,which are readily available on the market now. The supplements fromStandard Process are good, but many of them contain wheat and/or dairy,so watch out if you are sensitive to either of those. SP's glandularsunfortunately are not organic. Plan to stay on your program for at two years. After the first year, youcan consider adding herbal "adaptogens" to your protocol. Adaptogens(like Siberian ginseng, for example) help your body (i.e., youradrenals) adapt to and overcome the effects of stress. BUT you can't getbetter adapted if your adrenal are totally deficient. So build them upfirst (in year one), then become more adaptive (in year two). Resist theurge to take some combination product that contains a whole bunch ofherbs that promise to help, because you really need to nourish thephysical structure of the adrenal glands first with the glandularsbefore you do anything else. Does that make sense?And find out if you have a food sensitivity. Gluten sensitivity is acommon one for adrenal and thyroid depletion. If you can find a localpractitioner to support you, it will help immensely.Luck, --- nowskiHawthorne, Floridasumarfastmail (DOT) fm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 Amen. I already lost 30+ years---just do not have the psychic energy to struggle and try harder anymore. Gracia In the real world it is impossible to "reduce your stress levels, and get 9-10 hours of sleep". Even if you could I do not believe that alone would heal your adrenals. 2 YEARS??? Who here can wait 2 years???? How much more damage would be done in that 2 years? Test all hormones, replace the ones you are missing. It is as simple as that. Darla--- .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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