Re: sleeping hints for a sleep deprived person please!!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Pat,

I'd suspect the cortisol rhythm is out of synch.

Apparently hypoglycemic (sugar craving)....heading towards diabetes?

try dropping the selenium for a few days, but in any case, alternate

the zinc and selenium to every other day (to improve absorbtion) and

maybe consider requesting a test for zinc, copper and selenium.

The justification for these metal tests relies upon the evidence for

low copper leading to aortic aneurysm; the association of low zinc or

selenium with some other nasty conditions and the other problem that

zinc and copper do a 'see-saw' in their levels in blood. If one goes

up the other goes down.

Low zinc may associate with diabetes.

Do you know what is the 'change' in yourself if you drop all of the

supplements? for one day or two days? You ought to know this for the

future, to try and eleminate those that are unnecessary, but

especially if your endocrine system then returns to a more 'normal'

pattern with correct thyroid treatment.

Your doc will need to have been trained fairly recently to know (or

care) about the relavance of trace metals.

best wishes

Bob

>

> Ok, another question.

>

> I'm very sleep deprived.

>

> Went to the doc in last couple of days and they are testing my sex

> hormone levels + adrenal function + thyroid function (including

> antibodies) but some of the results won't be back for weeks. I'm

> hypothyroid with hashi's.

>

> I've been using quick release melatonin but have run out and need

to

> get more. I've been using sustained release melatonin but I'm up

> most of the night on that. I need to get more quick release stuff,

> I think.

>

> I'm also using magnesium at night. I don't drink coffee or tea. I

> take zinc supplements in the morning so they don't interfere with

my

> evening sleep. I'm also taking selenium, zinc, vit c, vit D3, fish

> oil, vit B complex. I crave sugar all the time.

>

> Anyone got any ideas how I can get some SLEEP!!!! I need SLEEP!!!!

>

> Most nights I can't get to sleep until 2.00 - 4.30 in the morning

> and some nights I can't get to sleep until 6am. My circadian

> rhythms are completely skewed. I feel most 'alive' starting at

> about 6-8pm.

>

> Any ideas about natural things (not sleeping pills) would be

greatly

> appreciated. Even hot milk ideas are welcome. Anything that might

> help!!!!

>

> P

>

[Guest guest]

This is interesting Bob - I often wonder how do we know whether we actually need all the supplements some of us take, sometimes at great expense.

I do know that a lot of vitamin and mineral supplements only give us roughly 20% of what they say they contain, because the body cannot absorb large particles effectively.We are told that because we are hypothyroid, we need high doses of Vitamin C (especially good for adrenals), Milk Thistle, Echinacea, Valerian and Hypericum,Flax seed oil, Vitamin A , Thiamin, Riboflavin, Niacin:,Vitamin B12, Vitamin B6, Vitamin D and Vitamin E and possible other goodies.

I personally take 1000mgs Vitamin C, Vitamin B12, Vitamin B complex, Evening Primrose, Omega Fish Oil, Selenium, and high dose Silica as well as my 3 grains of Armour, Nutri Adrenal Extra, 25 mcgs L-thyroxine, C0- Amizolide (diuretic).

I just hope none of our members get panicky about the latest news and think they should cut down their minerals and vitamins because hypothyroid sufferers need them more than most people.

Luv - Sheila

> Hi Pat,> > I'd suspect the cortisol rhythm is out of synch.> Apparently hypoglycemic (sugar craving)....heading towards diabetes?> > try dropping the selenium for a few days, but in any case, alternate > the zinc and selenium to every other day (to improve absorbtion) and > maybe consider requesting a test for zinc, copper and selenium.> > The justification for these metal tests relies upon the evidence for > low copper leading to aortic aneurysm; the association of low zinc or > selenium with some other nasty conditions and the other problem that > zinc and copper do a 'see-saw' in their levels in blood. If one goes > up the other goes down. > > Low zinc may associate with diabetes.> > Do you know what is the 'change' in yourself if you drop all of the > supplements? for one day or two days? You ought to know this for the > future, to try and eleminate those that are unnecessary, but > especially if your endocrine system then returns to a more 'normal' > pattern with correct thyroid treatment.> > Your doc will need to have been trained fairly recently to know (or > care) about the relavance of trace metals.> > > best wishes> Bob> >

[Guest guest]

Hi, I find Valerian very helpful. I use drops called Dormease by

Bioforce that include Valerian and Hops. Or Valerian tea.

Helenx

>

> Ok, another question.

>

> I'm very sleep deprived.

>

> Went to the doc in last couple of days and they are testing my sex

> hormone levels + adrenal function + thyroid function (including

> antibodies) but some of the results won't be back for weeks. I'm

> hypothyroid with hashi's.

>

> I've been using quick release melatonin but have run out and need

to

> get more. I've been using sustained release melatonin but I'm up

> most of the night on that. I need to get more quick release

stuff,

> I think.

>

> I'm also using magnesium at night. I don't drink coffee or tea.

I

> take zinc supplements in the morning so they don't interfere with

my

> evening sleep. I'm also taking selenium, zinc, vit c, vit D3,

fish

> oil, vit B complex. I crave sugar all the time.

>

> Anyone got any ideas how I can get some SLEEP!!!! I need SLEEP!!!!

>

> Most nights I can't get to sleep until 2.00 - 4.30 in the morning

> and some nights I can't get to sleep until 6am. My circadian

> rhythms are completely skewed. I feel most 'alive' starting at

> about 6-8pm.

>

> Any ideas about natural things (not sleeping pills) would be

greatly

> appreciated. Even hot milk ideas are welcome. Anything that

might

> help!!!!

>

> P

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

A while ago I came across the use of vanadium in diabetes, but I

can't remember where.

Subject: Re: sleeping hints for a sleep deprived

person please!!!!

Low zinc may associate with diabetes.

>

> P

>

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Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always

consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing

medication.

[Guest guest]

Hi P,

I used to use Rescue Remedy - a few drops before I went to bed and a

glass of water with some drops in to help me get back to sleep if I

woke up.

The BBC World Service on the radio is quite good for getting me to

sleep at the moment.

B

[Guest guest]

Hi

http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/hcn003v1

A systematic review of vanadium oral supplements for glycaemic

control in type 2 diabetes mellitus

cited from the abstract:-

[[..One hundred and fifty one studies were found but none met the

inclusion criteria. We proceeded to summarize the state of existing

evidence and plan for a future clinical trial by applying revised,

less restrictive criteria to our search, for clinical trials of 30–

150 mg daily oral vanadium supplementation in diabetic humans. Only

five were identified. These demonstrated significant treatment-

effects, but due to poor study quality, must be interpreted with

caution. Treatment with vanadium often results in gastrointestinal

side-effects....]]

as usual, not many good studies, but a 'qualified' yes to vanadium use

best wishes

Bob

>

> Hi Bob,

> A while ago I came across the use of vanadium in diabetes,

but I

> can't remember where.

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: sleeping hints for a sleep

deprived

> person please!!!!

>

>

>

> Low zinc may associate with diabetes.

>

> >

> > P

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice.

Always

> consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing

> medication.

[Guest guest]

Hi , I think I will give the rescue remedy a go. ha ha - love

the comment about the BBC World Service!

>

> Hi P,

>

> I used to use Rescue Remedy - a few drops before I went to bed and a

> glass of water with some drops in to help me get back to sleep if I

> woke up.

>

> The BBC World Service on the radio is quite good for getting me to

> sleep at the moment.

>

> B

>

[Guest guest]

> I've been using quick release melatonin but have run out and need to

> get more. I've been using sustained release melatonin but I'm up

> most of the night on that. I need to get more quick release stuff,

> I think.

Melatonin is the natural hormone of sleep and does seem to be deficient

in a proportion of people with endocrine problems. Getting the mix

right can be tricky. I found that the quick release melatonin got me to

sleep, but then I woke up again a few hours later. In contrast the slow

release melatonin took ages to get me to sleep, but then kept me asleep

for the rest of the night. I eventually had the brainwave of taking one

of each (you could take half of each if you don't want to go for as

high a dose) - that works brilliantly for me.

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob. Thanks for your input. Yes, the doc suspects the cortisol is

out of synch. Gees I hope I'm not on the way towards diabetes!!!!

Thanks for the other info. Have taken note.

[Guest guest]

Yes Sheila, it is interesting. I generally tend not to take

supplements unless tests show that I need them. I take a couple

regardless of test results because I know for a fact that they help

me. I continue to supplement with Se, Zn and Vit D because

initially these were all below normal on test results. CoQ10 was

also 'below normal' so I supplemented with that, but then stopped

supplementing when I re-tested and found high levels. I constantly

check supplement levels with my doc based on test results and how

I'm feeling. I take vit B complex because I notice a definite

difference if I don't take it. Fish oil is something I take because

I've read it is important for thyroid sufferers, however the only

thing I've noticed is that it has helped my skin look better! Like

you, I've heard that VitC is important so I take that as well. I

haven't read the latest news about vitamins/minerals. Will have to

look it up. It is worth checking what sort of study it was, how

many people were involved (ie. how large was the sample A VERY

IMPORTANT POINT!!!!), what the methodology was, etc. Media tends to

beef up alot of stories, so it is worth looking into it without

getting into a panic.

P

>

> This is interesting Bob - I often wonder how do we know whether we

> actually need all the supplements some of us take, sometimes at

great

> expense. I do know that a lot of vitamin and mineral

supplements only

> give us roughly 20% of what they say they contain, because the body

> cannot absorb large particles effectively.

I just hope none of our members get panicky about the

> latest news and think they should cut down their minerals and

vitamins

> because hypothyroid sufferers need them more than most people.

Luv -

> Sheila

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Helen, Thanks for the advice about using Valerian to help with sleep.

My grandfather used to use valerian for his heart condition. Perhaps

it could help with palpitations too? Who knows!

P

>

> Hi, I find Valerian very helpful. I use drops called Dormease by

> Bioforce that include Valerian and Hops. Or Valerian tea.

>

> Helenx

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much for the advice . It is good to know what

worked for you because perhaps it might work for me too.

P

>

Getting the mix

> right can be tricky. I found that the quick release melatonin got

me to

> sleep, but then I woke up again a few hours later. In contrast the

slow

> release melatonin took ages to get me to sleep, but then kept me

asleep

> for the rest of the night. I eventually had the brainwave of

taking one

> of each (you could take half of each if you don't want to go for

as

> high a dose) - that works brilliantly for me.

>