Bloodwork question

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I haven't had my new blood work done yet but here is my last:

TSH 4.4

T3 95 85-185

T4 9.0 4.9-11.4

Are these good levels? I have been only watching TSH so I don't know anything

about the other levels. I know the TSH is off; I increased my levoxyl by

12.5mg and LOOK much better....I didn't FEEL too bad.

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This woman doctor is what I call my `witch doctor'. Muscle testing and

balancing vitamins on my stomach. She told me my thyroid was confused about

all the iodine I was giving it; pressed a few pressure points and said my

thyroid was willing to try the new iodine. She is different, to say the least.

I was very suprised to hear her say that about Armour considering her anti

pharmacuetical leanings.

--- T <artisticgroomer@...> wrote:

> Well you can add those to the rumors spread by drug company reps. Armour

> has been around and used safely for over 100 years.. I take 6 grains a

> day of it and almost died onT4 meds, so there is one example of it's

> safety right there. CHest pains while on Armour are most likely from

> either weak adrenals or low Ferritin.

>

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Yowch. I would be legally dead with those numbers. You're way way WAY hypo. Somebody make this guy a Margarita, with powdered Cytomel on the rim! Seriously, TSH should be below 1, and frankly many people feel best at 0 (full replacement). -- prr <kennio@...> wrote: I haven't had my new blood work done yet but here is my last: TSH 4.4 T3 95 85-185 T4 9.0 4.9-11.4 Are these good levels? I have been only watching TSH so I don't know anything about the other levels. I know the TSH is off; I increased my levoxyl by 12.5mg

and LOOK much better....I didn't FEEL too bad. __________________________________________________

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Your endo is a nitwit. Armour is much more consistent than synthetics. Synthroid had a class-action suit for being sub-potent. If you just had a bunch of Armour dropped on you, it's no wonder it gave you chest pains. Armour has T3, which is powerful stuff. You have to start low and work your way up slowly. Doctors used to know this. If you're interested in pursuing it, read http://stopthethyroidmadness.com HTH! -- prr <kennio@...> wrote: The equivelant Armour gave me chest pains. Also my endo said that the dose varies greatly with armour... even my holistic doc says that armour is often contaminated with heavy metals and I should stay away from it! BTW, my chest pains came

before I had heard any negative things about armour. --- T <artisticgroomer@...> wrote: > TSH 4.4 > T3 95 85-185 > T4 9.0 4.9-11.4 > > Well you need to get the Free levels as I believe these are totals. That > would include what is bound and not available to the body to use, but > your T3 is very low, this is typical with T4 only meds. You would feel > better on Armour! > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > __________________________________________________

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Most doctors would say I had borderline TSH since it is still in the `normal'

range. I lived with it untreated for 15 years at 2.9 or so. Borderline they

called it. I didn't feel bad until the last 2 years when antibodies showed up.

I've been taking 100mg levoxyl for 10 months now. I didn't feel much

different at 1.6 TSH then I do now at 4.4 TSH. A very heavy workout routine is

driving it up TSH I believe. I've raised my levoxyl to 125mg and then dropped

down to 112.5 on jitters.

--- Ross <p_r_ross@...> wrote:

> Yowch. I would be legally dead with those numbers. You're way way WAY

> hypo. Somebody make this guy a Margarita, with powdered Cytomel on the rim!

>

> Seriously, TSH should be below 1, and frankly many people feel best at 0

> (full replacement).

>

> -- prr

>

> <kennio@...> wrote: I haven't had my new blood work done

> yet but here is my last:

>

> TSH 4.4

> T3 95 85-185

> T4 9.0 4.9-11.4

>

> Are these good levels? I have been only watching TSH so I don't know

> anything

> about the other levels. I know the TSH is off; I increased my levoxyl by

> 12.5mg and LOOK much better....I didn't FEEL too bad.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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I think I have mentioned before that ALL of my hypothyroid symptoms that I have

experienced have been because I was extremely magnesium deficient. Look at the

list of hypo symptoms and magnesium deficiency symptoms...they are the same.

Hypothyroidism causes magnesium wasting. Cure the magnesium deficiency and most

of the symptoms go away. I have been as high as 6.7 TSH and felt the same as

when I was 1.6 TSH. Magnesium does not cure the thyroid problem; the antibodies

continue to go up, the minerals still flow out of the body if undertreated.

This study is just one example of how magnesium deficiency gets misinterpreted

as it relates to hypothyroidism.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9\

494058 & dopt=Abstract

There are dozens of studies like this one that show serum magnesium levels

being elevated in hypothyroid individuals. Doctors see the mag serum test

results and out of ignorance tell the patient to beware of magnesium...and

certainly would never recommend it. The study above clearly shows the

erthrocyte level (intercellular levels) are being depleted as serum levels

soar. Magnesium is being pushed out of the tissues to the blood at an alarming

rate in hypothyroid individuals. Magnesium is nature's tranquilizer and the

tissues give it up readily under stress... mental or physical. The problem is

that the tissues become depleted, then the `hypothyroid' symptoms begin. Sleep

disturbances, weight gain, vision problems, depression, panic disorders, etc.

Then magnesium deficiency causes potassium to become depleted so the whole

sodium/potassium water pump (called active transport) is not effectively

filling the cells with water resulting in dehydration; which has it own set of

symptoms.

As for my energy levels and being able to workout with a TSH of 6.7. I bench

pressed 315 last week. Hypothyroid fatigue is a result of the magnesium

deficiency. Magnesium plays a critical role in the production and

stabilization of ATP. ATP supplies the energy for physical activity.

Magnesium activates almost all the enzymes of glycolytic and the tricarboxylic

acid (TCA) cycle, which transform fats and sugars into useable energy. I have

researched this for hundreds of hours; taken a dozen or so different types of

magnesium pills, capsules, liquids, topicals. I've had IV's of magnesium.

I've been in contact with Dr. Rude, one of the world leading researchers

who recommended an Endo who had been involved with his magnesium research at

USC Keck school of medicine here in L.A. Who is now my doctor (one of them). I

know I have my magnesium situation under control with regular supplementing

with a highly absorbable magnesium; so much so that I am suprised when my TSH

is very high since I feel no difference. The only clue I have is that I start

looking haggard because of the dehydration (and my body water scale tells me

also).

What my goal is now is to stabilize the TSH and find the `sweet spot'. I need

to stop this disruption in the proper utilization of minerals in my body. I

came across the iodine article in a blog put up by Alobar. I hope to reverse

my hashimoto's; so I try this iodine mega-dosing. There are more advance tests

for intracellular mineral testing... hair analysis will not do in my

experience.

--- ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

> Most doctors would say I had borderline TSH since it is still in the `normal'

> range. I lived with it untreated for 15 years at 2.9 or so. Borderline they

> called it. I didn't feel bad until the last 2 years when antibodies showed

> up.

> I've been taking 100mg levoxyl for 10 months now. I didn't feel much

> different at 1.6 TSH then I do now at 4.4 TSH. A very heavy workout routine

> is

> driving it up TSH I believe. I've raised my levoxyl to 125mg and then

> dropped

> down to 112.5 on jitters.

>

> TSH 4.4

> > T3 95 85-185

> > T4 9.0 4.9-11.4

> ============================================

>

> Your numbers are HYPOT. Mine looked like this but with a TSH of .1. You are

> too low in the T3. Both FT3 & FT4 should be in the upper 1/3 of the range in

> order to feel well. You are not getting much active T3. I am surprised you

> feel OK and can work out at all. I was on Synthroid for 6 years and felt

> fatigued. I got on Armour and it was like the light went on. My Endo didn't

> let me go on it. I had to get a new doctor to prescribe it. That's when I

> moved to Dr. Brownstein. You should take a peek at the

> NaturalThyroidHormone group or look at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com - my

> story is there under " 's Story " .

>

>

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Hi ,

I really appreciate your thoughtful and knowledgeable magnesium posts.

Very, very helpful.

Sharon

> I think I have mentioned before that ALL of my hypothyroid symptoms

that I have

> experienced have been because I was extremely magnesium deficient.

Look at the

> list of hypo symptoms and magnesium deficiency symptoms...they are

the same.

> Hypothyroidism causes magnesium wasting. Cure the magnesium

deficiency and most

> of the symptoms go away.

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I used to think that if I just cured all my symptoms of nutrient deficiencies then I would be well---and I tried like hell for 30 years. 30 years ago I was gardening organically with Adele books in hand. Ended up being almost dead. Not that it's not the way to live, but all my nutrient deficiencies cleared up on thyroid and adrenal meds, b/c I was finally able to get nutrients into cells. Thyroid increases cellular respiration and cortisol affects protein, fat and carb metabolism.

I would agree that hypothyroidism/hypoadrenal causes magnesium wasting, but I think treating hypo is the way to cure it.

GraciaI think I have mentioned before that ALL of my hypothyroid symptoms that I haveexperienced have been because I was extremely magnesium deficient. Look at thelist of hypo symptoms and magnesium deficiency symptoms...they are the same. Hypothyroidism causes magnesium wasting. Cure the magnesium deficiency and mostof the symptoms go away.

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Hi :

You may have discussed this in previous posts and I have missed it.

What brand of highly absorbable magnesium are you using?

What form is it in? Citrate..elemental...chelate??

Why do you think the other types of magnesium that you tried did not work?

Thank you in advance for your comments.

vsp

On 4/29/06, <kennio@...> wrote:

taken a dozen or so different types of magnesium pills, capsules, liquids, topicals. I've had IV's of magnesium. I've been in contact with Dr. Rude, one of the world leading researchers who recommended an Endo who had been involved with his magnesium research at USC Keck school of medicine here in L.A. Who is now my doctor (one of them). Iknow I have my magnesium situation under control with regular supplementingwith a highly absorbable magnesium;

[Guest guest]

,

I live in the LA area and would much appreciate the name of your endo

at USC.

Liz

On Apr 29, 2006, at 12:30 AM, wrote:

> I've been in contact with Dr. Rude, one of the world leading

> researchers

> who recommended an Endo who had been involved with his magnesium

> research at

> USC Keck school of medicine here in L.A. Who is now my doctor (one

> of them). I

> know I have my magnesium situation under control with regular

> supplementing

> with a highly absorbable magnesium; so much so that I am suprised

> when my TSH

> is very high since I feel no difference. The only clue I have is

> that I start

> looking haggard because of the dehydration (and my body water scale

> tells me

> also).