Re: Vomiting with NO food returning?

[Guest guest]

i am not an expert, but if you experience relief, then the food must

have gone thru the opening into your stomach.

sometimes the slime helps the food go thru.

At 12:02 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:

>Hello,

> Since the topic of vomiting/barfing/p.b'ing came up I thought I

>would ask my question.. I have on more than one occasion found myself

>over the sink AFTER a meal.I have a thick mucous come up but NEVER

>food.How can I just swallow food get up and go to the sink and NOT have

>food come up when standing over the sink?How can I be heaving and not

>heave the food up that I just consumed?Where does the food go? Just

>curious as I can't seem to vomit(traditional meaning here) at all post

>op 6 plus years now. Any idea what is going on? Is this normal?

>

>Thanks

>SharonS

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>> How can I just swallow food get up and go to the sink and NOT have

food come up when standing over the sink?<<

This is all part of a normal digestive process. If you swallow something

that the system has trouble moving, your body automatically produces

lots of extra saliva to " help " it along. It's that saliva that comes up.

The food (usually) having moved along by then.

If the food can't move, it usually comes up along with the saliva.

[Guest guest]

Not sure if anyone knows this, but the stomach is constantly making " slime " or

mucous as part of the digestive process - the enzymes start up digestion after

we first chew to break down the food. It's not just for moving along stuck

food. That's just where the EXTRA slime comes from!

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@...: sharon@...: Mon, 29 Oct

2007 10:23:42 -0700Subject: RE: Vomiting with NO food

returning?

>> How can I just swallow food get up and go to the sink and NOT havefood come

up when standing over the sink?<<This is all part of a normal digestive process.

If you swallow somethingthat the system has trouble moving, your body

automatically produceslots of extra saliva to " help " it along. It's that saliva

that comes up.The food (usually) having moved along by then. If the food can't

move, it usually comes up along with the saliva.

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[Guest guest]

Hello serenitywon,

Monday, October 29, 2007, 10:02:50 AM, you wrote:

> Since the topic of vomiting/barfing/p.b'ing came up I thought I

> would ask my question.. I have on more than one occasion found myself

> over the sink AFTER a meal.I have a thick mucous come up but NEVER

> food.How can I just swallow food get up and go to the sink and NOT have

> food come up when standing over the sink?How can I be heaving and not

> heave the food up that I just consumed?Where does the food go? Just

> curious as I can't seem to vomit(traditional meaning here) at all post

> op 6 plus years now. Any idea what is going on? Is this normal?

The food can get stuck. The pouch doesn't have much in the way of

muscles to get it up, like the whole stomach does. So things get

stuck for two reasons. One, the opening is small and things get stuck

in it. Two, you just " cram too much down there " . Think of when the

toilet gets backed up.

When anything gets stuck anywhere in your GI system, the whole system

goes to work to try to solve the problem. That means the WHOLE system

from your sinus to your mouth to your stomach to your intestines, both

large and small.

This is why you often need to have a bowel movement when you've eaten

(whether you're banded or not), and also when you get something stuck.

This is because the system says " something isn't working and if I move

something out it'll make more room for what isn't coming through " .

When that doesn't work (and never will), the rest of the system, the

upper part, tries to make things move. Your stomach makes slime, so

does your esophagus, your salivary glands, and also your tears and

your sinuses. All of those combine to make a bunch of liquid/slime

that accumulates. If the food stays stuck, your body gets rid of the

slime. In some cases the food will also either come up, or at least

" move around a bit " so it isn't stuck any more. In others, it won't.

Again, to continue the toilet analogy, if the toilet is plugged up,

and won't go down, what happens if you just keep flushing or otherwise

adding water. It overflows. Same with your pouch and esophagus.

And thus endeth todays medical lesson.

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

Dan wrote:

When anything gets stuck anywhere in your GI system, the whole system goes to

work to try to solve the problem. That means the WHOLE system from your sinus to

your mouth to your stomach to your intestines, both

large and small.

====That was an interesting tidbit, Dan. When I was first banded, some of the

older bandsters told me about their " signal " to tell when they were full. I've

noticed that when I've had enough to eat, my nose starts running. I don't have

anything stuck, I've just learned that when I have to reach for the tissues,

it's time to put my fork down.

Françoise

[Guest guest]

>> When that doesn't work (and never will), the rest of the system, the

upper part, tries to make things move. Your stomach makes slime, so

does your esophagus, your salivary glands, and also your tears and your

sinuses. All of those combine to make a bunch of liquid/slime that

accumulates.<<

The " slime " that comes up is mucous saliva. It can pool on top of the

stuck food in the stoma. That's why it comes up BEFORE the food and

sometimes the food doesn't come up at all. If the " slime " were coming

from your stomach it would be mixed with stomach acid.

[Guest guest]

Darn so endeth my laughing.....

cindy

>

> > Since the topic of vomiting/barfing/p.b'ing came up I thought

I

> > would ask my question.. I have on more than one occasion found

myself

> > over the sink AFTER a meal.I have a thick mucous come up but

NEVER

> > food.How can I just swallow food get up and go to the sink and

NOT have

> > food come up when standing over the sink?How can I be heaving and

not

> > heave the food up that I just consumed?Where does the food go?

Just

> > curious as I can't seem to vomit(traditional meaning here) at all

post

> > op 6 plus years now. Any idea what is going on? Is this normal?

>

> The food can get stuck. The pouch doesn't have much in the way of

> muscles to get it up, like the whole stomach does. So things get

> stuck for two reasons. One, the opening is small and things get

stuck

> in it. Two, you just " cram too much down there " . Think of when the

> toilet gets backed up.

>

> When anything gets stuck anywhere in your GI system, the whole

system

> goes to work to try to solve the problem. That means the WHOLE

system

> from your sinus to your mouth to your stomach to your intestines,

both

> large and small.

>

> This is why you often need to have a bowel movement when you've

eaten

> (whether you're banded or not), and also when you get something

stuck.

> This is because the system says " something isn't working and if I

move

> something out it'll make more room for what isn't coming through " .

>

> When that doesn't work (and never will), the rest of the system, the

> upper part, tries to make things move. Your stomach makes slime, so

> does your esophagus, your salivary glands, and also your tears and

> your sinuses. All of those combine to make a bunch of liquid/slime

> that accumulates. If the food stays stuck, your body gets rid of

the

> slime. In some cases the food will also either come up, or at least

> " move around a bit " so it isn't stuck any more. In others, it

won't.

>

> Again, to continue the toilet analogy, if the toilet is plugged up,

> and won't go down, what happens if you just keep flushing or

otherwise

> adding water. It overflows. Same with your pouch and esophagus.

>

> And thus endeth todays medical lesson.

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

[Guest guest]

Dan,

your stuffed toilet analogy is interesting. I think future bandsters

should be provided with a stoma plunger. just stick it in the throat

and plunge away. i wonder how many plunges it would take to clear

the PB site.

do you think this is a plan?

george

>

> > Since the topic of vomiting/barfing/p.b'ing came up I thought

I

> > would ask my question.. I have on more than one occasion found

myself

> > over the sink AFTER a meal.I have a thick mucous come up but

NEVER

> > food.How can I just swallow food get up and go to the sink and

NOT have

> > food come up when standing over the sink?How can I be heaving and

not

> > heave the food up that I just consumed?Where does the food go?

Just

> > curious as I can't seem to vomit(traditional meaning here) at all

post

> > op 6 plus years now. Any idea what is going on? Is this normal?

>

> The food can get stuck. The pouch doesn't have much in the way of

> muscles to get it up, like the whole stomach does. So things get

> stuck for two reasons. One, the opening is small and things get

stuck

> in it. Two, you just " cram too much down there " . Think of when the

> toilet gets backed up.

>

> When anything gets stuck anywhere in your GI system, the whole

system

> goes to work to try to solve the problem. That means the WHOLE

system

> from your sinus to your mouth to your stomach to your intestines,

both

> large and small.

>

> This is why you often need to have a bowel movement when you've

eaten

> (whether you're banded or not), and also when you get something

stuck.

> This is because the system says " something isn't working and if I

move

> something out it'll make more room for what isn't coming through " .

>

> When that doesn't work (and never will), the rest of the system, the

> upper part, tries to make things move. Your stomach makes slime, so

> does your esophagus, your salivary glands, and also your tears and

> your sinuses. All of those combine to make a bunch of liquid/slime

> that accumulates. If the food stays stuck, your body gets rid of

the

> slime. In some cases the food will also either come up, or at least

> " move around a bit " so it isn't stuck any more. In others, it

won't.

>

> Again, to continue the toilet analogy, if the toilet is plugged up,

> and won't go down, what happens if you just keep flushing or

otherwise

> adding water. It overflows. Same with your pouch and esophagus.

>

> And thus endeth todays medical lesson.

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

[Guest guest]

This " fullness " is one of the many " soft stop " signs we need to learn

to heed. the " fullness " sensation is becuase the pouch is full and

has expanded into the bottom of the throat.

Sandy r

> >

> > > ====That was an interesting tidbit, Dan. When I was first

> > banded, some of the older

> > > bandsters told me about their " signal " to tell when they were

> > full. I've noticed that

> > > when I've had enough to eat, my nose starts running. I don't

> > have anything stuck, I've

> > > just learned that when I have to reach for the tissues, it's

time

> > to put my fork down.

> >

> >Yes, that's a good sign to quit. For me it is sneezing, which

comes

> >about from same nose runniness. I just sneeze before noticing the

> >other symptom.

> >

> >

> >--

> >Best regards,

> > Dan mailto:honu@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

i have learned to honor it !!!

At 12:55 PM 10/30/2007, you wrote:

>This " fullness " is one of the many " soft stop " signs we need to learn

>to heed. the " fullness " sensation is becuase the pouch is full and

>has expanded into the bottom of the throat.

>

>Sandy r

>

>

> > >

> > > > ====That was an interesting tidbit, Dan. When I was first

> > > banded, some of the older

> > > > bandsters told me about their " signal " to tell when they were

> > > full. I've noticed that

> > > > when I've had enough to eat, my nose starts running. I don't

> > > have anything stuck, I've

> > > > just learned that when I have to reach for the tissues, it's

>time

> > > to put my fork down.

> > >

> > >Yes, that's a good sign to quit. For me it is sneezing, which

>comes

> > >about from same nose runniness. I just sneeze before noticing the

> > >other symptom.

> > >

> > >

> > >--

> > >Best regards,

> > > Dan mailto:honu@...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Me too !!! Me too !!!!

> >

> > > ====That was an interesting tidbit, Dan. When I was first

> > banded, some of the older

> > > bandsters told me about their " signal " to tell when they were

> > full. I've noticed that

> > > when I've had enough to eat, my nose starts running. I don't

> > have anything stuck, I've

> > > just learned that when I have to reach for the tissues, it's

time

> > to put my fork down.

> >

> >Yes, that's a good sign to quit. For me it is sneezing, which

comes

> >about from same nose runniness. I just sneeze before noticing the

> >other symptom.

> >

> >

> >--

> >Best regards,

> > Dan mailto:honu@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> > > >

> > > > > ====That was an interesting tidbit, Dan. When I was first

> > > > banded, some of the older

> > > > > bandsters told me about their " signal " to tell when they

were

> > > > full. I've noticed that

> > > > > when I've had enough to eat, my nose starts running. I

don't

> > > > have anything stuck, I've

> > > > > just learned that when I have to reach for the tissues, it's

> >time

> > > > to put my fork down.

> > > >

> > > >Yes, that's a good sign to quit. For me it is sneezing, which

> >comes

> > > >about from same nose runniness. I just sneeze before noticing

the

> > > >other symptom.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >--

> > > >Best regards,

> > > > Dan mailto:honu@

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello george,

Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 7:33:09 AM, you wrote:

> your stuffed toilet analogy is interesting. I think future bandsters

> should be provided with a stoma plunger. just stick it in the throat

> and plunge away. i wonder how many plunges it would take to clear

> the PB site.

Would probably work if our stoma was as strong as plumbing pipes. Of

course doubt any of us volunteer for an upper GI, and would be sort of

the same, wouldn't it?

Don't we have fun?

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

Dan,

I think that was a very good explanation, totally makes sence!

Thanks!

anna

NWWLS 4/12/07

223/191/130ish

> >

> > > Since the topic of vomiting/barfing/p.b'ing came up I

thought

> I

> > > would ask my question.. I have on more than one occasion found

> myself

> > > over the sink AFTER a meal.I have a thick mucous come up but

> NEVER

> > > food.How can I just swallow food get up and go to the sink and

> NOT have

> > > food come up when standing over the sink?How can I be heaving

and

> not

> > > heave the food up that I just consumed?Where does the food go?

> Just

> > > curious as I can't seem to vomit(traditional meaning here) at

all

> post

> > > op 6 plus years now. Any idea what is going on? Is this normal?

> >

> > The food can get stuck. The pouch doesn't have much in the way

of

> > muscles to get it up, like the whole stomach does. So things get

> > stuck for two reasons. One, the opening is small and things get

> stuck

> > in it. Two, you just " cram too much down there " . Think of when

the

> > toilet gets backed up.

> >

> > When anything gets stuck anywhere in your GI system, the whole

> system

> > goes to work to try to solve the problem. That means the WHOLE

> system

> > from your sinus to your mouth to your stomach to your

intestines,

> both

> > large and small.

> >

> > This is why you often need to have a bowel movement when you've

> eaten

> > (whether you're banded or not), and also when you get something

> stuck.

> > This is because the system says " something isn't working and if

I

> move

> > something out it'll make more room for what isn't coming

through " .

> >

> > When that doesn't work (and never will), the rest of the system,

the

> > upper part, tries to make things move. Your stomach makes

slime, so

> > does your esophagus, your salivary glands, and also your tears

and

> > your sinuses. All of those combine to make a bunch of

liquid/slime

> > that accumulates. If the food stays stuck, your body gets rid

of

> the

> > slime. In some cases the food will also either come up, or at

least

> > " move around a bit " so it isn't stuck any more. In others, it

> won't.

> >

> > Again, to continue the toilet analogy, if the toilet is plugged

up,

> > and won't go down, what happens if you just keep flushing or

> otherwise

> > adding water. It overflows. Same with your pouch and esophagus.

> >

> > And thus endeth todays medical lesson.

> >

> > --

> > Best regards,

> > Dan mailto:honu@

> >

>